Re: [arch-general] Arch GNU/Linux install for beginners and new users
Am I the only one that can't understand the reason of this thread? Ale On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > On Sep 22, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Mauro Santos via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > > Third party installers are not supported in any shape or form. Threads > > asking for support about derivative distros or third party installers on > > the forums will be closed and binned on sight. > > > > How does one define “third-party installer?” By my reading, the > TalkingArch project, which makes the installation process accessible to the > visually impaired, could qualify, as it isn’t released by the official Arch > maintainers. This would be deeply upsetting to me, as I am only able to use > Arch at all thanks to this project. > >
Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Tinu Weber wrote: > Just take a look at that beautifully concise "Contents" table on > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide. > That's one perfect checklist :-) > I think you are ~right. >From my point of view beginner's guide was a perfect entry point to Arch and to a new setup, no matter how old you were as a user, but things can change and the Installation Guide is, well, good enough for this. :) More seriousyl, I think it's a healthy approach to first give an > overview of what is required for the installation, and then let the > user/newcomer search the information in the wiki on their own I think I agree with this, but Beginner's Guide wasn't harmful from my point of view, even if I would rewrite a similar chunk of instructions with a philosophical disclaimer and a bunch of links to stuff explaining the Arch Way. IMHO the only sane approach to Arch Linux is to first comprehend The Arch Way understanting all the technical and philosophical choices. People now are setting up Arch boxes because it's cool. On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dario Giovannetti via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > I thought I'd make a graph about the reactions to the merge :) > Dude you missed the "systemd's fault!!1!" line :D Saludos, Ale
Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?
While I agree with the guys saying the Beginner's Guide was harmful to the distro making lazy noobish users choose the wrong distribution for 'em, I strongly think that the Guide was pretty helpful as a quick setup checklist to seniors too. The solution to this could be taking it back enriching the first paragraphs with some philosophical details about Arch, and caveats. Ale On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Jason Ryan via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 22/09/16 at 08:47am, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf >> wrote: >> >>> Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... >>> >> >> Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil >> this thread down to "telling others how to structure their wiki". >> As someone who hasn't looked at the guides in question in ages, I >> consider this form of entertainment questionably constructive as well. >> >> The Installation Guide is one of the few pages on the wiki that are > locked and > can only be edited by the staff. Changes can be made by gathering a > consensus on > the Talk page. > > > /J > > -- > > http://jasonwryan.com/ > GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 > >
Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll
2012/8/19 C Anthony Risinger > > IMO its very refreshing to finally see these deficiencies being tackled. Linux landscape had been thirsty for years about these decisions. I like very much the Arch approach to this matter and, as I said, I like systemd as my init system.
Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll
2012/8/19 Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 01:23:12PM +0200, Roel Deckers wrote: > > Remember it's not about whether or not you're allowed to use > > initscripts/systemd, it's about what will become the default. > > No, maintaining both boot methods, even if upstream weren't > abandoning init scripts (which they are going to) would be > a terrible waste of time. I agree at all. I'm trying systemd in these days, I like how the system is managed and my distro is "a bit" more standard.
Re: [arch-general] drop slim in favor of lightdm
2012/5/8 Gaetan Bisson > [2012-05-08 11:37:06 +0200] Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana: > > Maintaining slim doen't seem a big effort; > > Great. Then you can do just that in the AUR. I'd like to have a pre-compiled package, as I'm very lazy :D It's a nice software, maybe moving it to [community] is the best 'in medio stat virtus' approach. Otherwise, I'll be glad to maintain it in the AUR ;)
Re: [arch-general] drop slim in favor of lightdm
Maintaining slim doen't seem a big effort; I'd stay with lightdm *and* slim
in [extra].
2012/5/8 Christian Hesse
> John Hutchison on Tue, 2012/05/08 03:53:
> > Am 08.05.2012 03:35, schrieb Christian Hesse:
> > > I propose to drop slim from [extra] and replace it with lightdm and
> > > lightdm-gtk-greeter.
> >
> > Why not just provide both?
>
> I would be just fine with that. ;)
>
> Though it is not a good idea to ship packages with security flaws in
> general.
> --
> main(a,b){char*/*Schoene Gruesse */c="B?IJj;M"
> "EHCX:;";for(a/*Chris get my mail address:*/=0;b=c[a++];)
> putchar(b-1/(/* gcc -o sig sig.c && ./sig
> */b/42*2-3)*42);}
>
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.3.1-1
I installed Linux 3.3.1 yesterday, wifi authentication over protected networks is definitely broken for ath9k. I can connect to open networks, but if I try to connect to a WPA/WPA2 net (didn't try with WEP), after this I can't connect to ANY net (open too). ath9k is totally blown up, I hope next release will see a fix. Il giorno 11 aprile 2012 23:08, mike cloaked ha scritto: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban > wrote: > > >> I believe it will be fixed in the next release... > >> > > you mean 3.3.2 or 3.4 ? > > I saw a post that 3.4 will have a fix. > > -- > mike c >
Re: [arch-general] Installing the 3.1 sources of Kernel with Asterisk
Maybe you need the linux-headers package. ;) Salud, Alessio
Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: > > Ignorance should never be an excuse for a rude response, at least when > ignorance isn't accompanied by the obvious willingness to remain > ignorant. Epic quotation, coudn't agree more. And as Don said, I think that a Linux user doctor with this knowledge ideal can be a great career man in medicine world. ;) (And we all will come for a visit, indeed :D)
Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications
However, I think Arch is a good distro for every purpose, from desktop to server, because of it's usercentricness. If you break something, you can fall back and most of the times, if you broke a system component, it's your fault. There's [testing] and maintainers don't push unattended dangerous upgrades to extra and core. ;) But let's focus on topic, we are discussing about stability :P Salud, Ale
Re: [arch-general] People that depend on Arch, etc deserve to die? - Allan McRae - Clarifications
I simply believe that a man should know how Linux works, and not how Arch Linux or Debian or Fedora works. Basic approach, not distro-oriented approach. So I agree with Allan, you can't be depending on a single distro, you need to know how to deal with every single Linux system (major distros at least) on earth, and Pacman is only a package manager ;) Salud, Ale
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux, xfce is the way in?
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi < lenzi.ser...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I will be testing xfce this week on a fresh generated FreeBSD 9.0 > I don't like BSD, especially for modern environments. Linux has a more modern architecture; I love the system, but i must admit that in 2011 it isn't efficient anymore. (And BSD has troubles with drivers :( ) > Why FreeBSD?? because I can build it from ground zero (the OS, the > shell, the xorg, and finally the xfce) > You can do the same for Arch. What do you mean by 'building from ground zero'? > My notebooks are just waiting for the experience, and my girl friend > hope will not > kill me (or dump me) for that LOL :D Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:54:30 +0100 > schrieb "Alessio 'Blaster' Biancalana" : I hope this will not happen. I never liked Gnome for a lot of reasons, > and KDE4 and the fact that Xfce is so different from Gnome was the > reason for switching to Xfce. If Xfce will become a Gnome 2 fork then > there will be no good DE anymore. > > If someone wants to keep Gnome2 he shall switch to Mate. > Right. But IMHO XFCE misses some neat features like a decent power manager. I would only like a more complete set of applications/options environment-related :) Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > Will that effect xfce-gnome compatibility? > I believe so. But XFCE developers will fix that in time for the next release; I believe they're waiting for this right now to be ready to patch softwares in the last chunk of development cycle for 4.10. By the way, XFCE 4.10 will hopefully include some neat features from GNOME 2.3x aiming to be a successor and a safe choice for GNOME 2.x refugees. Just previsions :) Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] OT: end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Do I have the better arguments or is it, that I'm the king of clowns aka > the completely idiot ;)? I agree with your mail, but I laughed reading that conclusion :P Double win? ;) Salud, Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > 0.02€, > > Ralf > You won man. :D Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] end of the war! Mate has come to archlinux...
2011/12/8 Angel Velásquez > > Good for you!, but you can have several DE, or WM in Linux world. > > So, eventually, you should "evolve" and not be tied to just one of > them ;). I switched to KDE, and I'm giving GNOME a chance every time it hits a new release. Unfortunately, that isn't "my" DE anymore, I don't like Clutter very much and I migrated my workstations to another environment. Maybe you should do so. Salud, Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] KDE: shortcut configuration broken
Oh I see. Thanks for the tip Paul! :) Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] KDE: shortcut configuration broken
I'm sorry, now it seems to be ok for me too. A reboot, and all is over :) Kmixer wasn't in its place, and I didn't manage to launch softwares with my custom shortcuts; now I can. I will inform you if it happens again, thanks for your feedback! Bl@ster
[arch-general] KDE: shortcut configuration broken
Hi archers and KDE users, Can I have confirm of a strange behaviour in my KDE? I can't open, in KControl (the control center), the shortcut and gestures configuration dialog: when i double-click the item, KControl freezes. Sometimes the configuration center for shortcuts opens up itself after a lot of time. What's happening? Bug? Other? Enlight me please. Bl@ster
Re: [arch-general] KDE panel broken after last upgrade
Hi Lorenzo, I updated today my KDE desktop and transparency in the panel is gone. Less troubles than you but... :P Tomorrow I should try to move my settings directory to a backup location and try in a clean environment. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-atm-2.5.2-1
Signoff i686 -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] xinetd-2.3.14-8
Hi, Signoff i686 -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Why not create a new repo specified for games ?
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Matej Ľach wrote: > I support this idea. > Keep most games in AUR and the more popular ones can have their own repo > [games] on a separate server. > This server could be community financed using donations and if not enough > interest will be raised for new repo, all these huge games can be moved to > AUR and the smaller ones can stay in [community]. Kudos :) This is an awesome idea, I think it would be better than having to rebuild every game from sources every time a developer updates it. Now, we have these two ways to do this thing. I think an official repository mirrored as the same as core, extra and testing would be a better way to do it, because we do not have enough money to host a project like this (I believe), and no one will ever moan for one or two GBs of new packages in a new directory. Am I wrong? -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] [signoff] linux-3.1-2
It works well on my laptop. Signoff i686 -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Libreoffice in [testing] older than the [extra] one
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Alex Ferrando wrote: > > Libreoffice from testing seems a build behind: > > testing/libreoffice-common 3.4.3-3 (libreoffice) [installed] >common files for LibreOffice - a productivity suite that is compatible > with other major office suites > extra/libreoffice-common 3.4.3-4 (libreoffice) [installed: 3.4.3-3] >common files for LibreOffice - a productivity suite that is compatible > with other major office suites For me it's the same situation: [blaster@polinice ~]$ pacman -Ss libreoffice-common testing/libreoffice-common 3.4.3-3 (libreoffice) [installato] common files for LibreOffice - a productivity suite that is compatible with other major office suites extra/libreoffice-common 3.4.3-4 (libreoffice) [installato: 3.4.3-3] common files for LibreOffice - a productivity suite that is compatible with other major office suites There's something we're forgetting or Alex is effectively right? Maybe some script didn't run yet. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] OpenVAS in AUR not compiling
Thanks Ionut, thanks Karol, I'll ask in aur-general, or patch the software myself. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
[arch-general] OpenVAS in AUR not compiling
Hello guys, I require you to test some stuff. Trying to compile OpenVAS, I get Error 2 or some other things. Now I ask, it's my fault or...? Let me know if openvas-libraries in AUR builds fine for you ;) -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Virtual box
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Carlos Alberto Ospina wrote: > Ready, my machine works. Thanks a lot No problem, hasta luego :) -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Virtual box
Hi Carlos, Did you rebuilt the vboxdrv module and load it? If you didn't, do it and let us know. If you did and receive the error message again, you must check permissions on /dev/vboxdrv. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Adopting start-stop-daemon in archlinux
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > The question is, can a few lines of shell code (as has been > demonstrated by the bugfix in the bug report above), manage the > problem sufficiently? If yes, then a full, separate program to handle > this stuff is _not_ KISS. I thought so but... I don't know much more about this topic. Really, a pair of lines in the rc.d script is enough? So you are right. But providing a complex solution for a problem like this IMHO isn't that worst :) -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Adopting start-stop-daemon in archlinux
I like the idea, this seems KISS as it is now. It could be a better way to manage services, kudos! -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] ettercap new upstream
Did you think to provide a stable tarball? I don't think git clone is a good idea for an extra and stable package ;) -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] ettercap new upstream
Hi Tim, Does your version complain about GCC and other jibber jabber? I need to know if your fork compiles fine under Arch, especially the GTK frontend. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Pacman get stack when updating the kernel!!
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Hector Martinez-Seara wrote: > Any body knows what happened? Uhm. Tried searching for ":02:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint" on Google, and I found a considerable amount of complains about Linux (2.6.38-39, 3) and USB 3.0 controllers. I think that's an upstream bug and we should report this issue. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] problems with vim
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Uli Armbruster wrote: > My problem is, in vim the right and left arrow keys don't do anything in > command mode I confirm keys working fine in every mode. Did you try a pacman -S vim? -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] Pacman get stack when updating the kernel!!
>Aug 19 15:18:03 localhost kernel: [608984.681025] xhci_hcd >:02:00.0: WARN: Stalled endpoint Hi, Do you have a USB 3.0 controller/disk? -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] linux-3.0.2-1
If you accept signoffs from users, my machine boots and runs fine after the update. Signoff i686. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] linux-3.0.2-1
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote: > Latest kernel is in testing, > please signoff for both arches If user signoff are accepted, this boots and runs fine on my machine. Signoff i686. -- Bl@ster / dottorblaster
