Re: [arch-general] Painful installation of 4.3 - some general advice needed.
Excerpts from Ali H. Caliskan's message of Mon Aug 17 10:10:27 -0400 2009: ...says the sweet talker who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS! Is this really a good problem resolution strategy? Lets all please calm down. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Firefox Fullscreen Fix
Excerpts from solsTiCe d'Hiver's message of Fri Aug 07 00:44:03 -0400 2009: export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 that fix was working for me since i upgraded to firefox 3.5 but since the update of nvidia driver recently and firefox update too. this fix does not work ANYMORE. Hmm, works for me (I upgraded my nvidia/kernel/xorg/firefox/flashplayer yesterday). Maybe it's somewhat dependent on card :/ look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496831 and other duplicated bug reports it is supposed to be fixed. so it's coming in some near future Okay, thanks very much for that. I guess I won't file a bug report with us as it's an upstream issue (kind of why I was asking). We can technically fix it by adding a wrapper to our firefox package to do that hack, but I'm pretty sure I agree with Aaron (and the devs in general) in that we should just wait for the aforementioned fix. Cheers. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Firefox Fullscreen Fix
Excerpts from Jan de Groot's message of Fri Aug 07 09:58:58 -0400 2009: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 09:51 -0400, Andrei Thorp wrote: Excerpts from solsTiCe d'Hiver's message of Fri Aug 07 00:44:03 -0400 2009: export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 that fix was working for me since i upgraded to firefox 3.5 but since the update of nvidia driver recently and firefox update too. this fix does not work ANYMORE. Hmm, works for me (I upgraded my nvidia/kernel/xorg/firefox/flashplayer yesterday). Maybe it's somewhat dependent on card :/ look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496831 and other duplicated bug reports it is supposed to be fixed. so it's coming in some near future Okay, thanks very much for that. I guess I won't file a bug report with us as it's an upstream issue (kind of why I was asking). We can technically fix it by adding a wrapper to our firefox package to do that hack, but I'm pretty sure I agree with Aaron (and the devs in general) in that we should just wait for the aforementioned fix. We already had such a bug, and I closed it as upstream, as it has something to do with two non-free components that we can't fix. Seems mozilla wants to work this around inside firefox, so it's just to wait for a version that includes their workaround. Ah, okay, I did a search but didn't find anything. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
[arch-general] Firefox Fullscreen Fix
Hello, With the latest Firefox (3.5) with closed Nvidia drivers providing libGL, Firefox (or something) segfaults whenever you try to fullscreen a flash video (try youtube). Searching around, I've found a fix: simply export this in your environment: export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 You can just put this in your zsh/bash/whatever profile/config, or make a wrapper script for firefox or something. I'm contemplating filing a bug with us. Do you guys think it's worth doing? Is it with us? Cheers, -Andrei Garoth Thorp
Re: [arch-general] Archlinux added a choice for OS selection at bugs.kde.org
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Wed Jul 29 19:48:34 -0400 2009: Listmates, You should now be able to choose Archlinux as the OS when filing bugs at bugs.kde.org. Silly little distro's really catching on, eh? ;) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Run commands as user once network is up (NetworkManager)
Excerpts from Magnus Therning's message of Wed Jul 29 17:57:24 -0400 2009: I'm currently using NetworkManager's ability to run scripts once the network is up[1], but that seems to only be on a system level. Is there some way of also running scripts/programs as the logged in user once network is up? Especially I want to start dropbox only when the network is available. It seems completely incapable of coping with a network that appears after it's been started. /M [1]: I've put a short script in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ that will start and stop openntpd when the network goes up and down. Well, as a slight hack, consider using sudo -u or similar to run a command as a specified user. You may also be interested in setting DISPLAY=:0 if its a graphical program that requires X. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Excerpts from solsTiCe d'Hiver's message of Mon Jul 27 10:16:21 -0400 2009: if think dd is the worst way to copy data between disk or partition Why, out of curiosity? -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] mpd had removed relative volume functionality.
Excerpts from b4283's message of Fri Jul 24 10:47:30 -0400 2009: According to developer Cirrus, the relative volume adjusting method has been deprecated for 5 years. which is finally abandoned in the git version. (does anybody know why mpd in the repo hasn't been updated for sometime while stable 0.15.1 is around?) So anyone who uses mpc to bind a hotkey to shortcut such as mpc volume -5 or mpc volume +10 is likely to get a error from mpd. I've written a script to realize such functionality, please follow: http://dpaste.com/70907/ save it as script, chmod +x to it and put the relative values as parameter. E.g. vol.sh +5 or vol.sh -10 What?! That's so damn silly... why the heck would they deprecate that, it's so handy? Guess I'll have to update my mpd frontend/library... -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] mpd had removed relative volume functionality.
Excerpts from Daenyth Blank's message of Fri Jul 24 11:36:15 -0400 2009: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50, Andrei Thorpgar...@gmail.com wrote: What?! That's so damn silly... why the heck would they deprecate that, it's so handy? Guess I'll have to update my mpd frontend/library... Wow, that's surprising. I mean, I suppose that they're perhaps going with mpc as a bare-bones mpd client, but still... Using the protocol directly is so much more fun / better :/ -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] mpd had removed relative volume functionality.
Excerpts from Xavier's message of Fri Jul 24 12:23:59 -0400 2009: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:09 PM, b4283da.mi.spi...@gmail.com wrote: do i understand this correctly: you can still change the volume of mpd, but you can only specify absolute values? they left out the relative setting out of the protocol? Dieter Yes, this is correct. Absolute values could still be assigned, which means that in the future, the relative volume may have to be realized by clients instead of mpd. And what is the problem doing it in mpc client? And do you have some links / references about this? Nothing is wrong in doing it in mpc, but you have to remember that mpc is just one of many clients. I'd think a lot of clients would implement/want relative volume changing functionality (mine sure does), so I'm not sure how worthwhile it is forcing all of them to implement it themselves. Of course, it's pretty simple to do. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] mpd had removed relative volume functionality.
Excerpts from Dieter Plaetinck's message of Fri Jul 24 11:51:58 -0400 2009: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 11:36:15 -0400 Daenyth Blank daenyth+a...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50, Andrei Thorpgar...@gmail.com wrote: What?! That's so damn silly... why the heck would they deprecate that, it's so handy? Guess I'll have to update my mpd frontend/library... Wow, that's surprising. I mean, I suppose that they're perhaps going with mpc as a bare-bones mpd client, but still... do i understand this correctly: you can still change the volume of mpd, but you can only specify absolute values? they left out the relative setting out of the protocol? That's what they're saying. Of course, you can probably query for current volume and implement relativity yourself. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] What to do about the blender package?
Excerpts from Allan McRae's message of Sun Jul 19 00:00:53 -0400 2009: So the package is out-of-date and the new version does not build? Could be a reason why it is not updated... I recall Blender not having support for python 2.6 at some point (while we had 2.6). It seems some folks have now successfully built Blender with 2.6 support, but it seeems woefully unofficial. I wonder what can be done about that. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] What to do about the blender package?
Excerpts from Sven-Hendrik Haase's message of Mon Jul 20 09:58:43 -0400 2009: On 20.07.2009 15:46, Andrei Thorp wrote: Excerpts from Allan McRae's message of Sun Jul 19 00:00:53 -0400 2009: So the package is out-of-date and the new version does not build? Could be a reason why it is not updated... I recall Blender not having support for python 2.6 at some point (while we had 2.6). It seems some folks have now successfully built Blender with 2.6 support, but it seeems woefully unofficial. I wonder what can be done about that. Doesn't Blender 2..49a have Python 2.6 support by default? At least the Windows downloads on blender.org come with Python 2.5 OR Python 2.6. I briefly read that they were hoping to push it in for Blender 2.5, but perhaps what I read was incorrect/outdated. I'd actually been running Python 2.5 in parallel with 2.6 for a while for the blender support, and it's a pita :) I'm hoping it'll be fixed up. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Firefox on Arch - crash on exit
Excerpts from Tim Gelter's message of Mon Jul 20 11:18:38 -0400 2009: Andrei Thorp wrote: Excerpts from Tim Gelter's message of Mon Jul 20 10:48:54 -0400 2009: Damien Churchill wrote: 2009/7/20 Dario carotin...@yahoo.it: Hi! In data lunedì 20 luglio 2009 06:48:00, Tim Gelter ha scritto: Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system. Mmm I remember something like this happening on Windows (*cough*) machines at school. The solution was to clear the hidden Application Data (or what is called) folder under Documents and Settings. Here probably is something like a lock file, I think. Ciao! Carotinho Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com In ~/.config/mozilla/firefox/[profile] there will be 2 files, lock and .parent_lock that need to be removed, at least those are the offending 2 when this has happened to me. In my case, this isn't a lock file issue. As I explained in my email that triggered this thread, the firefox process does in fact continue running after I attempt to close firefox. It'll run (consuming very little resources) for as long as it takes (minutes, hours, whatever) for me to decide to launch firefox again. At this point, I must kill the existing firefox process before launching firefox once more. Again, this isn't a lock file issue in my case. I don't know what you issue is (though I don't find Firefox good in general), but I can provide you a way to automatically kill Firefox on firefox exit if you like... (just a wrapper shell script/alias) I appreciate the offer, but it'd be easy enough to do something like: alias firefox=killall firefox firefox What I'm looking for is an answer to why Firefox has this issue on arch, but not on other mainstream distros. Or am I really the only user experiencing this issue? (other than the couple of guys who responded saying that deleting a lock file or two solved the issue for them) Yeah, I figured you'd know how to do this. I can't speak for everyone, but I have no such issues like this with Firefox personally, I'm sorry to say. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] MythTV
Excerpts from Manne Merak's message of Fri Jul 17 05:50:25 -0400 2009: My previous MythTV box, running opensuse 10.2, just died (HDD failure). Replaced the HDD and installed Arch for n minimal MythTV platform; on an old AMD Athlon 1.2G, 512Meg RAM, NVIDIA FX5200. All installed fine, but I get Bus error if I try to run any MythTV app. I guess it was compiled with some Intel only feature? Anyone have some suggestions? or should I just grab a copy of Mythbuntu? Bus error? Perhaps DBus error, if DBus isn't installed/running/configured? -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] mirrors
Excerpts from David Rosenstrauch's message of Thu Jul 16 11:04:45 -0400 2009: Anyone know what's up with the mirrors? Looks like nearly all the US mirrors (RIT, SUU, EasyNews, UMFlint, GaTech, VT - even Schlunix) are running 1-2 days old. Only mirror that seems to have new packages is Unixheads, and it's *dog slow*. Maybe as a result of the SVN transition that's going on just now? Should be resolved soon enough, I figure -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] CTRL-C stops working in bash 4.0
Excerpts from André Ramaciotti's message of Tue Jul 07 19:58:10 -0400 2009: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Damjan Georgievskigdam...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone noticed that ctrl-c randomly stops working in the new bash? You might also consider taking this opportunity to switch to ZSH. I've just installed it, then I read this .. and it's a deal breaker: Q: Does zsh support UTF-8? A: zsh's built-in printf command supports \u and \U escapes to output arbitrary Unicode characters. ZLE (the Zsh Line Editor) has no concept of character encodings, and is confused by multi-octet encodings. Try it, though. I'm Brazilian and I use some UTF-8 multibyte characters (a small subset of it comparing with the Cyrillic alphabet, which I presume you use) and I have no problems with files named with UTF-8 characters. When I first tried ZSH, I ditched it because of it, but it's been a long time since UTF-8 characters are working out of the box. Beat down and then redeemed :D -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] CTRL-C stops working in bash 4.0
Excerpts from Damjan Georgievski's message of Mon Jul 06 18:46:08 -0400 2009: Has anyone noticed that ctrl-c randomly stops working in the new bash? You might also consider taking this opportunity to switch to ZSH. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Adopt tar.xz for official repo packaging ?
Excerpts from b4283's message of Fri Jul 03 06:32:14 -0400 2009: i guess one of the major concerns is that tar gzip is more common than xz. but since GNU is also packing their coreutils in xz packs, i guess that a good time to switch? Well, one nice thing about being a distro is that you have some ability to choose what stuff the users will have on their computers :) And you really raise a solid argument in my view. That's like half the size! Does compression/decompression take longer? Are there any other bad parts to using this compression algorithm that are worth mentioning aside from lack of popularity? (Note, isn't even bzip better at filesize than gzip?) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Adopt tar.xz for official repo packaging ?
Excerpts from Nathan K. Bathory's message of Fri Jul 03 09:28:22 -0400 2009: On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:24:32 -0400 Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpts from b4283's message of Fri Jul 03 06:32:14 -0400 2009: i guess one of the major concerns is that tar gzip is more common than xz. but since GNU is also packing their coreutils in xz packs, i guess that a good time to switch? Well, one nice thing about being a distro is that you have some ability to choose what stuff the users will have on their computers :) And you really raise a solid argument in my view. That's like half the size! Does compression/decompression take longer? Are there any other bad parts to using this compression algorithm that are worth mentioning aside from lack of popularity? (Note, isn't even bzip better at filesize than gzip?) read through the archived posts, i'm sure this was discussed already .. iirc the issue was with implementing this in libarchive and some licensing issues. Hmm, that's unfortunate. Though cutting bandwidth is similar to cutting costs and maybe even decreasing throttling on the servers, no? Would be interesting to do. Another possible issue is the question of whether this sort of compression works as well for the deltas system in pacman. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Adopt tar.xz for official repo packaging ?
Excerpts from Xavier's message of Fri Jul 03 10:30:32 -0400 2009: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Andrei Thorpgar...@gmail.com wrote: Another possible issue is the question of whether this sort of compression works as well for the deltas system in pacman. This only depends on the following trivial patch to xdelta3 (add xz support) : http://code.google.com/p/xdelta/issues/detail?id=87 deltas are useless if the compression used is not recognized (and thus without uncompress / recompress done automatically). Alright, awesome :) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
Re: [arch-general] Not able to do system updates
Excerpts from Will Siddall's message of Thu Jun 25 09:33:40 -0400 2009: I tried with 'sudo pacman -Su' and with 'yaourt -Su' and nothing. So... for the record, there is _no_ output from pacman? -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) [...] or some clown changed the chips on a board and not its name. (Don't laugh! Look at the SMC etherpower for that.) -- from /usr/src/linux/MAINTAINERS
Re: [arch-general] readline GPL violation on two pkgs?
Excerpts from Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi's message of Wed Jun 24 21:51:14 -0400 2009: Aaron Griffin wrote: And if we get in tight, there are conflicts between different versions of the GPL, this is ugly. To this are the lawyers, who enjoy these things, and not for us who are programmers, right? Good Luck. To paraphrase what Thomas said to me: This is all free software, we should be able to use free software with other free software, damnit. It seems to go against the spirit to do things like this. I like this sentiment. I mean, I get that there are zealots out there who strongly believe in their Chosen License as if it were a soccer team, but seriously - it's all free software, and we may be subtly violating the letter of the license, but the letter of the license is violating the _spirit_ of the license. Ok Aaron thanks for the clarification :) I liked this phrase: ...but the letter of the license is violating the _spirit_ of the license ;) This may be bad thinking, but to be honest -- is Stallman, Linus, or BSD Guy _really_ going to sue a fellow open source program / distro for just using their stuff? -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Ever heard of .cshrc? That's a city in Bosnia. Right? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of commands
Re: [arch-general] Update to latest [kde-unstable] - It is looking good!, HAL/d-bus/PolicyKit Change?
Excerpts from Loui Chang's message of Tue Jun 23 21:43:06 -0400 2009: On Tue 23 Jun 2009 16:32 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, Couple of thoughts for this day. Latest updates come with the following praise and questions: (1) kde4.3 beta 2 (4.2.92svn984151-1) - Wow, much crisper, behaving ...well, like it should. Even with the radeonhd driver it feels better than (4.2.90 with fglrx on suse)! (2) all dmraid partitions lost with dmraid-1.0.0rc15 and kernel26-2.6.30-5. (subject of another thread) (3) new kernel also did something to Hal/d-bus/PolicyKit, so I can't access my usb drives again with the brute force approach. Any thoughts? Hehe. I think you should start a blog. Actually, that sounds like a pretty good idea. planet.archlinux.org anyone? ;) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Remember: While root can do most everything, there are certain privileges that only a partner can grant. -- Telsa Gwynne
Re: [arch-general] AUR Search
Excerpts from Daniel J Griffiths's message of Tue Jun 23 17:56:09 -0400 2009: I gotta admit... I laughed when I saw the signature: Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Yeah, I guess Xandros isn't terribly popular amongst open source folk. But hey, I use Arch + Awesome at work and write code for Linux all day. It's worth it ;) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Skyhook Where is 'bavaria' proper? I thought it was austria. -- Seen on #Linux
Re: [arch-general] AUR Search
Excerpts from Johannes Held's message of Wed Jun 24 10:47:06 -0400 2009: Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com: Yeah, I guess Xandros isn't terribly popular amongst open source folk. Who cares? Beeing employed today is more important ... Yeah, that, and also I'm a intern programmer working in open source full time. That's pretty good :) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) How do I type for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done in a GUI? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces
Re: [arch-general] Presto for pacman?
Excellent,
Two thoughts. (1) delta rpms are great for download size, but
computationally expensive on the client side for reinstalls or multiple
machine
updates, so (2) if possible, can an option be retained to enable/disable use
of
deltarpms for folks that would like to have full packages?
To be a bother, Arch doesn't use RPMs.
Cheers,
-AT
--
Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
if (argc 1 strcmp(argv[1], -advice) == 0) {
printf(Don't Panic!\n);
exit(42);
}
-- Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS
[arch-general] AUR Search
Hello there! Today, I'd like to be all complainy about the AUR search feature. I haven't really looked around, but are there plans to improve it? Or is the solution just use google with site://? It seems to be kind of bad at finding stuff. Some examples: - Can't search by description (well, it does search by description by default, but it's not in the advanced options anywhere) - Can't really do any decent multi-word searches afaik. To take an example from the other argument thread, try searching for java gstreamer. It finds neither gstreamer-java nor java-gstreamer. It actually finds nothing at all. - Similarly, wildcards seem to not work. java*gstreamer has no results. - It seems to not even do exact matches first. For example, search for my package, sup. There is a package in AUR that's exactly named sup, but if you search for that, you get 658 results, sorted alphabetically! - Which reminds me, what about sorting by relevance somehow? Perhaps sort by a weighting of votes, age, downloads, etc. I'm sorry if I'm bringing this up as someone's already writing improvements for AUR and this is just a waste of time :) Anyway, thanks! -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) miguel any new sendmail hole I have to fix before going on vacations? -- Seen on #Linux
Re: [arch-general] Presto for pacman?
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Tue Jun 23 16:49:13 -0400 2009: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 08:34:53 am Andrei Thorp wrote: Excellent, Two thoughts. (1) delta rpms are great for download size, but computationally expensive on the client side for reinstalls or multiple machine updates, so (2) if possible, can an option be retained to enable/disable use of deltarpms for folks that would like to have full packages? To be a bother, Arch doesn't use RPMs. Cheers, -AT (smacks self -- I know Andrei!!) Yeah, of course :). Like I said, just being a bother, haha. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) lilo Fairlight: udp is the light margarine of tcp/ip transport protocols :) -- Seen on #Linux
Re: [arch-general] deps not being properly recognized?
Excerpts from Allan McRae's message of Sat Jun 20 21:37:11 -0400 2009: Caleb Cushing wrote: I can't figure out why pacman thinks that deps aren't being fulfilled. Targets (1): perl-datetime-0.50-1 snip :: perl-datetime-format-strptime: requires perl-datetime=0.4304 50 is not = 4304 Allan Hmm. That's kind of unfortuante. Chances are, .5x is actually meant to be greater than the .4xxx. Guess the best you can do is force it? :S -AT -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) C:\ WIN Bad command or filename C:\ LOSE Loading Microsoft Windows ...
Re: [arch-general] Holy Cow -- What happened to bash / vi??
Excerpts from Aaron Griffin's message of Mon Jun 22 12:27:01 -0400 2009: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Daenyth Blankdaenyth+a...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 07:47, Loui Changlouipc@gmail.com wrote: On Mon 22 Jun 2009 03:09 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: I will downgrade vi. If that is what the future of vi looks like, I don't want any part of it. Changes that dramatic ought to be forked. You were previously using vim named 'vi'. The new one is actually a fork of vi called nvi. I don't understand why anyone would use any vi. Use vim instead... I've always harped on this point. I use vim. Vim is the name of the application that I use. Vim just happens to be largely vi compatible, but I still use vim. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of running vi and expecting vim. Sounds a bit like running mozilla and expecting firefox or... something. -AT -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
Re: [arch-general] kde-unstable with kdemod3: Total Removal and Reinstal - [SOLVED]
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Thu Jun 18 03:25:08 -0400 2009: I got it, but what I had to do was remove kdemultimedia, then install kb3. Then when I went to install kdemultimedia again it said use kde-meta- mutimedia for kdemultimedia, and I just said OK and it seems fine now. Bug or not, this is some terrible behaviour... I kind of have felt bad watching David struggle with this stuff for days now. I realize that this is is in great part the fault of packagers, but I wonder if pacman could do something better here... -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == finlandia:~ apropos win win: nothing appropriate.
Re: [arch-general] Squirrelmail Gotcha
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Thu Jun 18 02:06:02 -0400 2009: On Wednesday 17 June 2009 14:23:25 Andrei Thorp wrote: Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Wed Jun 17 15:17:24 -0400 2009: It's either dazzle them with your brilliance or baffle them with your bullshit! The jury is still out on which is more prevalent;-) Haha, how's being a lawyer working out for you? ;) Like anything else. Feasts are good, but famines hurt. You just hope to have enough to survive between the two;-) If it was just work, life would be a breeze. Add the demands of 3 kiddos to the picture -- whew, things get crazy quick... Yeah, I understand how it is, I think. But hey, you're doing something daring with your life. Why bother living if you're just going to settle for safe and convenient mediocrity, eh? ;) -AT -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == I didn't order any WOO-WOO ... Maybe a YUBBA ... But no WOO-WOO!
Re: [arch-general] Btrfs rescue images -- Modified Arch
Excerpts from Loui Chang's message of Thu Jun 18 09:37:13 -0400 2009: What's Xandros development co-op? I'm a student working for Xandros Corp as a software developer. Haha. Did you notice your signature is 10x the length of your reply? Fix't ;) -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) How do I type for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done in a GUI? -- Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces
Re: [arch-general] Squirrelmail Gotcha
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Wed Jun 17 14:25:00 -0400 2009: Done, http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Squirrelmail Thanks, David :) Your great verbosity put to use, haha ;) -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == Entropy requires no maintenance. -- Markoff Chaney
Re: [arch-general] KDE4.3 Beta - Rocks, still a bit rough, but very usable as a primary desktop [SOLVED]
Excerpts from David Rosenstrauch's message of Wed Jun 17 15:00:54 -0400 2009: Just my $0.02, but bad idea. I'd think it's quite possible that you'd wind up with stray files hanging around by forcing pacman like this. It's never a good idea to leave system/app files hanging around that pacman doesn't know about, since you can wind up with weird file conflicts down the road. DR Wouldn't it also leave a bunch of programs installed but possibly broken/unused? Furthermore, doesn't pacman now think that two packages are responsible for the same file in a bunch of cases? Wouldn't that mean that if you then tried to remove the unused program, it steals a bunch of the files that are used by another program? What a mess! -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == Reality is bad enough, why should I tell the truth? -- Patrick Sky
Re: [arch-general] Squirrelmail Gotcha
Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of Wed Jun 17 15:17:24 -0400 2009: It's either dazzle them with your brilliance or baffle them with your bullshit! The jury is still out on which is more prevalent;-) Haha, how's being a lawyer working out for you? ;) -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == If Bill Gates is the Devil then Linus Torvalds must be the Messiah. -- Unknown source
Re: [arch-general] Btrfs rescue images -- Modified Arch
Excerpts from Tim Gelter's message of Wed Jun 17 15:49:46 -0400 2009: Looks like Chris Mason (the lead BTRFS developer @ Oracle) is a fan of Arch Linux... :) Woot. Arch for the win, of course :D -- Andrei Thorp Development Co-op Xandros andrei.th...@xandros.com www.xandros.com Random Quote (man fortune) == igor Hah! we have 2 Johnie Ingrams in the channel :) igor Hey all btw :)
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
In fact, Kris Maglione is preparing a new wmii release and he has been spending a lot of effort in writing a new user guide. I've proof read it (see suckless ML, and wmii source repo) and it's looking good. Not developed any longer is just plain nonsense. Yep, sorry, I've been misinformed. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
I like a lot yakuake for tabbed terminal. using konsole technologies, it add a pretty cool drop-down feature, which allow to have a term at any moment, just by typing F12. The nice things about some of these more powerful window managers is that it's pretty simple to write a bit of configuration to make this work for _any_ terminal or program. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
If you have a lot of terminals, a tabbed or split-screen terminal app, like Konsole or Terminator is probably more efficient. Disagreed, tiling window managers are entirely designed for tiling stuff. They tend to be _much_ better at it than stuff like screen and Terminator. I'm pretty confident in this assessment because I used screen for quite a while before I got into tiling. It's just not the same. Also, it's not even necessarily better on ram. If you're using a smart terminal like urxvt or XFCE Terminal, they can run in a shared mode where running a ton of terminals doesn't really skyrocket your ram (unlike gnome-terminal for example). -AT
Re: [arch-general] Stolen Logo
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Przepioskiaprzepio...@gmail.com wrote: Damn, that's a nice story! That's probably how it all went down. ;) Yeah :D Or maybe the art guy saw the logo on the background of a web developer's computer ;) -AT
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
+1 for dwm/dmenu. I really like grouping by tags. Awesome certainly has tag-based management, and Xmonad probably also does considering it was a DWM clone once. In Awesome, at least, dmenu's pretty much obsoleted by Awesome's own built-in panels and tags have been taken much further than dwm due to the shifty add-on library that allows dynamic creation + deletion of tags, even based on events. Ex - hit a bind to make a new tag (type to name it); set it up so when firefox opens, it gets its own tag, and that tag exists until firefox closes. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
I come from a place where they say, Friends don't let friends use non-tiling window managers ;) As such, while we're on the topic, I think nothing really gives you your bang for your computer power like a tiling wm does. Some of the best ones now seem to be: - Xmonad - Wmii - Awesome WM (My personal favourite which comes with a run prompt, menus, and notifications built in) These systems tend to take more effort to run, but are very rewarding when you learn them. They let you work faster and better than ever, and are some of the most customizable window managers ever made. I've also noted a rather large community within Arch that uses tiling WMs and especially Awesome where it seems like half the IRC channel's on Arch. Sorry for the plug, cheers ;) -AT
Re: [arch-general] Stolen Logo - (hijacked) What about monthly delivery of the Newsletter?
On the topic of the Arch newsletter, it would be nice if it had the ability to be subscribed to and emailed each month to the subscriber list. To keep Arch in the forefront, many times people will visit and like what they see then not remember/be able to check back each month for the newsletter. To keep Arch in the forefront, it would be nice to add the ability to email it to subscribers. That monthly 'ding' in their inbox is just another was to say Hey, here is what's going on and where we are, now come download and start contributing Also, check out rss2email -- convert any old rss feed to e-mail. Then you can label/folder everything from that RSS feed and read it in your mail client like you would a mailing list. Pretty awesome. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Openbox - great lightweight desktop, similar to icewm, but better in several regards
Yeah, I think the big thing about using a tiling window manager is that it works best if you have a lot of terminals -- though reasonable ones (Awesome included) have a floating mode with regular windows with titlebars that is a lot like typical window managers. And yeah, shame but: - Wmii isn't really developed any longer, which is too bad because people really loved it. - Ion developer is a psychopath and his latest config files are batshit crazy to work with Re: DWM: - Xmonad and Awesome are both initally based on DWM, though both of them now have almost none of that original code left due to it being not actually that great (plus the wms changed a lot) - Awesome still handles tags like DWM, but has a lot more features, plus you don't need to use dmenu separately - I don't care, limiting your program by code size rather than features is a stupid idea. - If you need a ridiculously lightweight window manager, DWM is where it's at. Cheers, -AT
Re: [arch-general] libgweather
Actually, there is a built in -b (--binaries) switch that does that ;) Oh cool :) Guess it saves 1 character of typing and possibly avoids some problems. -AT
Re: [arch-general] install packages using links?
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:31 AM, clemens fischerino-n...@spotteswoode.dnsalias.org wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: Also, remaking all packages in the repos to do this? Where's the problem? The symlinking can be done at leisure, on routine updates. They are compatible. Well, as far as I can tell, the problem is that this requires the updating of the 4050 packages we have at the moment. All of them. By hand. For rather limited gain. And that's just in the official repos, not AUR, not Arch-games, not archlinux.fr, so on. -AT
Re: [arch-general] libgweather
Consider using pkgfile from pkgtools to answer these kinds of questions. -AT
Re: [arch-general] install packages using links?
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM, clemens fischerino-n...@spotteswoode.dnsalias.org wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: Well, as far as I can tell, the problem is that this requires the updating of the 4050 packages we have at the moment. All of them. By hand. For rather limited gain. Well, you don't get it as far as I can tell. As all paths stay the same, _not one single package_ has to be updated. That's what I mean with compatible. /usr/bin/file is still /usr/bin/file, but it could be a symlink instead of a file. Look at the .so libraries: Okay, but how do those links get to the places they're supposed to be if you don't update packages to put them there? Anyway, I think there is a widely echoed polite decent idea if we didn't already have all we need. No thank you. Cheers, -AT
Re: [arch-general] libgweather
Well, for example: Reason.garoth ~: pkgfile gtkdocize extra/gtk-doc It'll find pretty much anything. If you're looking for an executable, it's often better to pkgfile bin/gtkdocize -- pkgfile is a grep frontend or something like that. -AT
Re: [arch-general] install packages using links?
Also, remaking all packages in the repos to do this? Erk. No thanks, Mr. Spillypants. -AT (PS. perhaps you folks haven't seen the Keith's Beer commercials where the guy keeps calling people Mr. Spillypants. Turns out that the actor for those commercials was later arrested for child porn and the company decided to stop showing those ads... ;)
Re: [arch-general] My D-Bus/Hal/PolicyKit Fix - Useful for Admin Users
In my very limited understanding of HAL+PolicyKit, I'd say that yeah, this'll work great as long as you don't mind the slight hit in security. Personally, I wouldn't. Thanks for the info! -AT
Re: [arch-general] KDE, Bluetooth and Wifi
I still just use netcfg for wifi. -AT
Re: [arch-general] calender pgm
http://www.egroupware.org/download
Re: [arch-general] Network Shutdown Prior to umount on cifs mounts hangs shutdown
Yeah, I think that the order in which things shut down is the reverse of the order in which they start up, which makes sense, I think. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Subversion server - authentication problem
You've probably thought of this, but are all the permissions correct all the way to the path? For example, if you have a parent folder that's not +x for whatever's trying to access the contents, they are not accessable, even if they have the correct permissions themselves. Ex: /ex/why ^ Permissions, +xr for user ^ Permissions, +rw for user This will work fine /ex/why ^ No Permissions, no +xr for user ^ Permissions, +rw for user This won't work at all. Cheers, -AT
Re: [arch-general] calender pgm
Honestly, I've been using google calendar very happily for the last couple of years. It's always there, it sends me e-mails telling me what's going on, and it has nice features for seeing others' calendars and importing calendars (such as holidays and stuff). -AT On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Baho Utot wrote: FWIW Sunbird compile fails on gcc-4.40 nsAppRunner.cpp nsAppRunner.cpp:1373:6: error: #elif with no expression Easy to fix: Just replace the #elif that don't have an argument with an #else [#1] ;) Good Luck! [#1] http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/porting_to.html -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D
Re: [arch-general] Building local repo - eliminating dups - why some new x86_64?
Hey, We see people trying to make an Arch repo mirror to save themselves bandwidth. I think that doesn't really make too much sense. Instead, it seems much better to implement a download proxy. The way this works is that all traffic is routed through a computer which backs up stuff that passes through it. When a computer on the network asks for a file that's been downloaded previously, there is no need to go into the Internet. That seems like a great thing to use for Arch packages, as well as a lot of stuff really. Think about how much faster some websites and stuff can load if you already have all the common images downloaded to your LAN. Here's a link. http://www.squid-cache.org/ -AT (Man.. I really want to set up a Linux router box...)
Re: [arch-general] Building local repo - eliminating dups - why some new x86_64?
(...) When a computer on the network asks for a file that's been downloaded previously, there is no need to go into the Internet. Yes and no. arch packages are not exactly small. I run a squid cache and a cache object size of 128KB serves me pretty well. To accomodate all arch packages, this setting has to go up to may be 150MB(for openoffice). If the cache start caching every object of size upto 150MB, it won't be as effective or will baloon dramatically. Not to mention the memory requirement that will go up too. I'm under the impression that you can configure it in other ways and not just space, therefore letting it work for Arch packages (say, from your favourite mirrors) and not from everywhere. Yeah, it does increase the requirements, but I'm sure it's handleable. But no doubt http access will be dramatically fast :) Not to mention, squid is only http caching proxy, not ftp. Squid is a caching proxy for the Web supporting HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, and more. -- their website. squid is great but I doubt it can help with multiple computers with arch. It can handle only download caching but thats not enough. (snip) Yeah, some decent ideas there. -AT
Re: [arch-general] problem while bridging network
I'd think XP would probably give you the best results. -AT
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Get notified on website updates
Thanks, useful stuff. -AT On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis grb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 06:13:09PM +0200, Pierre Schmitz wrote: Hello, maybe you are familar with the following problem: You want to get notified when there is a new upstream release. The problem is that not all projects offer rss feeds or an announce mailing list. And if they do they are sometimes too verbose or don't cover the updates you like. So needed something to watch a certain website and tell me if anything changed. There are a lot of webservices, firefox plugins etc..; but they are all too complicated and just don't offer what I need. So I though it would be quite easy to write something myself using cron and lynx. So I after a few minutes I had a simple Bash script whih just does the job. It loops through an url list and prints the diff to the previous run. Running this by cron I get an email including the diff everytime one of the observed websites are updated. Maybe someone else has some use for it, too. And perhaps I'll even create a git repo for it; though I don't think I should add much more features. ;-) http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre/packages/src/w3watch/ Frugalware has been doing similar stuff for a long while but they have an up2date field in their build scripts. See for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/frugalware-...@frugalware.org/msg20141.html They recently converted that to a Flasttar function: http://git.frugalware.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=frugalware-stable.git;a=blob_plain;f=source/apps-extra/cksfv/FrugalBuild;hb=HEAD The source is somewhere in here: http://git.frugalware.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=frugalware-current.git;a=blob;f=source/include/util.sh;h=68f6f12fe25aa3a1e207a018e0bd63678562c4e6;hb=HEAD -- Greg
Re: [arch-general] Bugs again
That's a very unfortunate set of misunderstandings. Sorry to hear. Anyway, so hold out there and things'll get fixed probably. Especially after this post. -AT On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Damjan Georgievski gdam...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bring this again, but something has to change in the way bugs are handled in Arch. I've open this bug report http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13905 about the awesome package in community. The package maintainer just closes the bug, not solving it, claiming it's upstream, and not even investigating the problem. He suggests I ask upstream. Ok, I play a good citizen, I do ask upstream, we find the problem, a sollution is found - it turns out the PKGBUILD was wrong from the begining - but still I submit a patch to awesome so that building it is much easier. I request reopening the bug .. it's a small text-area, not very usable, so I just write New information .. since the bug was closed with You may want to ask upstream why they install those files by default.. And then I get the answer: Reason for denial: You need to be more specific that New information in a reopen request... Now, it's not like I enjoy hanging out in the bug system opening bugs, investigating them, hoping to improve ArchLinux's packages.. and I don't see how I could've deserved this behaviour. The bug report shouldn't have been closed in the first place, since the problem was not even solved. -- damjan
Re: [arch-general] problem while bridging network
Yeah, it'd be sweet if I can figure out a way for my buddy to run Eve. He said he'd switch to Arch if he could find a way to play this game on it :D -AT On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Fredrik Eriksson fredrik.eriks...@gigabit.nu wrote: You can, with some hacking. However I have yet to successfully make this work with a win 7 VM. For XP in virtualbox, the following should work: 1) Set up the VM, ensuing the 3d accel checkbox is checked 2) Install XP 3) Install the virtualbox guest additions 4) Install wined3d into in windows from here: http://aybabtu.com/rmh/wined3d/ After that, you should have fully operational opengl and d3d acceleration in your XP guest machine. I have used this successfully with audiosurf, other games may or may not work depending on what hardware checks they make and what parts of d3d they use. NOTE: you should disable mouse integration when playing games under this. The integration features mess up the mouse controls rather badly. NOTE: When wined3d asks you which parts to install, do NOT check the first one, for direct2d. Doing so will break your XP install. Checking the directx 8, 9 and 10 boxes however are all safe, so far as I can tell. HTH -Aren Olson -- Whoever said sunshine brings happiness has never danced in the rain. - K. Jackson Ubuntu Linux - www.ubuntu.com Huh, this is excellent information, thanks. Probably still slow and regular Wine bugginess, but maybe worth trying. I have a friend at work who's a serious Eve addict. He might find this very interesting also. Cheers :) I would actually recommend using Cedega if you're too run Eve: Online. I've dualboxed the game running nvidia twinview and cedega and it worked perfectly on my GT6800. I guess it should work fine with Wine also. I never experienced any bugginess and it wasn't at all slow :) Best regards Fredrik Eriksson
Re: [arch-general] Bugs again
Now all of the above is just my opinion on the issue and will look like a bunch of idle rambling to most, but if you sift through it, there just may be a perl of wisdom to pick out. (remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while ;-) Lol, a perl of wisdom. Congratulations, you've been hanging around computer nerds too long. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Radeonhd - Use EXA Accel instead of XAA Accel
Huh, cool. Thanks for yet another useful bit of information :) -AT On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:17 AM, David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Listmates, If you use the radeonhd driver, use EXA acceleration instead of XAA. I just found out about this today and it is a 100% improvement in speed, etc. over XAA acceleration. It isn't as fast as fglrx, but it is a world of improvement over the alternative. To make use of EXA acceleration, simply enable it in your xorg.conf in the device section. Example: Section Device BoardName RS690M Driver radeonhd Identifier Device[0] Option GARTSize 256 Option AccelMethod EXA Option EnablePrivateBackZ no Option VideoOverlay on Option no_dri no Option UseFastTLS 1 Option no_accel no Option mtrr off VendorName ATI EndSection -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] problem while bridging network
Last I checked, you can't run 3D games inside of a virtual machine, unless something's changed. Anyone confirm? -AT On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:25 PM, ludovic coues cou...@gmail.com wrote: hi listmate, I'm posting 'cause I have some problem when I bridge a connexion. I wanna set up a virtual machine with windws 7 to play eve online (no support for linux at this time, and I can't make it run on wine). So I've follow the wiki for setting up network with the virtual machine. But now, I'm starting my computer with eth0 and vbox0 bridged, but I can't use my wifi connexion on wlan0. If I delete the bridge with a «brctl delbr br0», I can connect to the wifi through wlan0, but my VM haven't any network. To be exact, I can connect me to my personnal network, but this have no internet connexion. Weird. If any one might help me with this, it would be nice. -ludovic
Re: [arch-general] How do we handle sudo or kdesu in Archlinux?
I'm very cool with bypassing root-level security checks when originating from the physical machine. Anyway, another thing you can do is put some scripts in your path that override the application that you want to run and then just sudo run it. I'm not really sure what PATH KDM (and therefore KDE?) uses, but probably has to do something with either your user's .profile or root's .profile or bash_profile or something. Course, isn't there a way to just elevate your user to be a root-like account if you're going to be doing this anyway? Put your user in the root group or something. -AT
Re: [arch-general] default ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig prevents compiz start with radeonhd
Think this should be fixed in the packages? -AT On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Edgar Kalkowski em...@edgar-kalkowski.de wrote: Hi! I think this remaining issue is because root is not normally allowed to connect to the X server. After issuing an „xhost +local:“ (the colon is essential) all connections from localhost should be allowed and thus it should work. Ed On Samstag, 09. Mai 2009, 10:09:37 David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. wrote: Listmates, snip REMAINING ISSUES WITH ARCH GLX: When issuing glxinfo from a konsole cli as $USER everything works fine. However, if you are su to root $UID then glxinfo fails: [23:07 alchemy:/home/david] # glxinfo No protocol specified Error: unable to open display :0.0 Dunno if this is a bug or feature, but I thought I would pass it along. I'll file a bug report on the default config issue, fixing it will save a lot of folks a lot of heartache and newbies from thinking Linux doesn't work.
Re: [arch-general] vi/vim/gvim without ruby support
I have a ruby script that I use, but don't let me stop you. -AT On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Tobias Kieslich tob...@justdreams.de wrote: Allan, the ruby in testing as of 3 days ago. That would be 1.8 I think. we can build gvim(the only one with ruby enabled) without ruby support for the time being. I don't think that many people actually script vim with ruby and there aren't all that many ruby-vim scripts out there. Now I can be wrong, but I think it's only fair to NOT let gvim stall the ruby packages. Once we have ruby 1.9* support in vim we enable it again. No big deal. As for the OP: vim is a symlink to vim-normal because upon installation of gvim it becomes a symlink to vim-full (more powerful, better script support, etc ... all the bells and whistles) where gvim will be a symlink to the same binary it just automatically invokes it with GUI support. That's just how vim works. -T On Sat, 09 May 2009, Allan McRae wrote: Kessia 'even' Pinheiro wrote: Hi all, Tobias, i`m without a machine, so, i can`t check the vim version. Did you compile new vim with witch version of ruby? It will be with ruby-1.8 because 1.9 is not in the repos yet... I am waiting for the vi(m)'s to move out of [testing] before I do the ruby update. Allan
Re: [arch-general] Transmission package out of date
You have some strange ~s in your PKGBUILD that were not there before.
Also, transmission-cli also needs updating.
-AT
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Brendan Fahy bren...@f4hy.com wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
The package Transmission-gtk has been out of date for some time now. I
sent an e-mail to the package maintainer a few months ago with an
updated PKGBUILD and never received a response.
To update the package all that is required is changing the version
number and check sums.
# Maintainer: Alexander Fehr pizzapunk gmail com
# Contributor: Brendan Fahy bren...@f4hy.com
pkgname=transmission-gtk
pkgver=1.60
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc=Fast, easy, and free BitTorrent client (GTK+ GUI)
arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
url=http://www.transmissionbt.com/;
license=('MIT')
depends=('curl' 'libnotify' 'desktop-file-utils' 'hicolor-icon-theme')
makedepends=('intltool')
optdepends=('notification-daemon: Desktop notification support')
replaces=('transmission')
install=transmission-gtk.install
source=(http://mirrors.m0k.org/transmission/files/transmission-$pkgver.tar.bz2)
md5sums=('8b30cf189240f0c50ccd11c618a6906a')
build() {
~ cd $srcdir/transmission-$pkgver
~ ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-wx --disable-cli --disable-daemon
|| return 1
~ make || return 1
~ make DESTDIR=$pkgdir install || return 1
~ # Remove web client
~ rm -rf $pkgdir/usr/share/transmission || return 1
~ install -D -m644 COPYING
$pkgdir/usr/share/licenses/transmission-gtk/COPYING || return 1
}
- --
Brendan Fahy bren...@f4hy.com
www.f4hy.com
714.310.7627
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Re: [arch-general] WPA2 - How to set with ACX card??
Yeah, sorry to hear. I guess you should think about getting a different cheap wireless card and check if it is supported first. I find that a lot are these days. Anyway, netcfg: I was a bit skeptical about this whole idea of non-automatic wireless via command line and specifically configuration files, but I must say, it's pretty nice overall. There are occasionally a couple glitches here and there (like just now, it didn't notice that my connection dropped and the profile stayed on. Solved by just turning it off/on manually.), but in the whole, this is the most solid, most automatic network system I've used. Setting up profiles, it turns out, is pretty much as simple as typing in your network information into your normal network manager. netcfg is also conveniently tied into rc.conf, so you can just dump your common networks in there in order of preference and you're done. I love this -- networkmanager still frequently connects to the neighbours' wireless rather than my own. Also, just as something to get you started maybe, attached is a small script that scans for networks in the area and returns you their names + encryption status. This script could certainly use some improvement, but maybe you'll find some use for it if you decide to go the netcfg way eventually. Cheers, -AT On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:53 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Thomas Bächler wrote: David C. Rankin schrieb: Listmates, My second Arch box is now complete (well almost:-) This time a desktop box with a zytel wireless lan adapter using the TI acx chipset and its firmware 2 is the acx111_2.3.1.31/tiacx111c16 firmware slice. The card is detected and works fine it think... I can open kwifimanager and it has my access point associated and I can watch the generic packets blip by and watch the strength meter do its thing, but I cannot authenticate :-( Short answer: Throw that thing away! Thomas, all, I think I may be dead in the water with this card using WPA under Linux. The problem is that there isn't a *single* windows driver that provides WPA capabilities for the card. Specifically, in order to provide wpa access, this wireless card relies on the following files for basic wireless with WEP: FwRad16.bin FwRad17.bin FwRad19.bin TNET1130.INF TNET1130.sys And then requires the following for WPA access: odysseyIM3.inf odysseyIM3.sys The odyssey driver is a separate add-on driver that windows uses as a wrapper for the tnet1130 driver to provide added WPA capabilities. ndiswrapper will load the tnet1130 driver without complaint, and the ndiswrapper -l show the driver properly installed. The odyssey driver will load, but ndiswrapper -l shows the driver is not a valid driver. Further, even though the tnet1130 driver loads, the essid cannot be manipulated with iwconfig, so I'm doubtful that even the basic wireless will work under ndiswrapper. Unless somebody has a stroke of genius and can let me know hey, Rankin, you are going about this all wrong! I think the case is pretty much closed on this one... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com wl-find-networks Description: Binary data
Re: [arch-general] Done! Website move to 1st Archlinux Box
Yeah, it's a funny reality that there is no such thing as not enough time but only priorities. I guess my main problem is prioritizing lazy activities over more important, gainful ones. Something to work on. Cheers, -AT On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:34 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guilherme M. Nogueira wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote: I like this guy :) You've shown yourself to be indeed an awesome community member. Thanks, and I hope that Arch continues to make you happy. And I agree, I always thought Arch would do well for a server if you take precautions around updates. :) Me too, he's even making me want to be active in the community, even though I have no time for that! I'm in the final year of my university course and involved in a lot of projects there. But, still. It's good to be able to give a hint or two when you know the answer =] Thank you, David! Guilherme, Thank you for the kind words. Some people play golf, some play tennis, I play Linux;-) Linux is my game of chess so to speak. Something you will never really ever know all aspects of, but something that offers you a continued challenge to learn. I don't know how old you are, but I will tell you that your time to be involved in anything never grows, you just have to make the time. Just wait until you are in your 40's with a career, a wire, 3 children under 10, dogs, cats... you'll know what I mean. That's also why you will see a majority of my posts after 11:00 pm at night ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Done! Website move to 1st Archlinux Box
I like this guy :) You've shown yourself to be indeed an awesome community member. Thanks, and I hope that Arch continues to make you happy. And I agree, I always thought Arch would do well for a server if you take precautions around updates. :) -Andrei Garoth Thorp On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:18 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Guys, Thanks for all of your help. My first Arch install and server config is almost 100% complete (some server apps still remain, but that's just install time) Archlinux works like a champ. It is a great, lightweight, full featured distribution. In case any other Arch user is looking to do a full apache2 install with SSL, PHP MySQL support, the LAMP wiki page will get you going. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LAMP. PHP and MySQL support comes from nothing more than making sure the module include statements in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf are active as detailed in the LAMP page. The only trick there is that for some reason the php object module isn't included in the default httpd.conf file so you need to add the following to the end of the LoadModule list: LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so Secure http (https) support takes a little more. The simple part of SSL setup, as with PHP and MySQL, is just making sure the shared object module is loaded in etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: LoadModule ssl_module modules/mod_ssl.so Usually the more challenging part of secure http setup is generating the server keys and certificates that apache will use to offer ssl support. To make this easier, I have created a script to automate this process and install the server key, certificate and signing request under /etc/httpd/certs. You can grab a copy of the script at: http://archangel.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/apache2/apache-ssl-Arch (don't panic if it is temporarily not available as I am still moving servers around and will normally have it back up in 20 minutes or so) After download, if you want to generate your server keys automatically **edit** the script variables: COUNTRY=US STATE=Texas LOCAL=Nacogdoches ON=Rankin Law Firm, PLLC OU=Attorneys email=h...@3111skyline.com or you will end up with a server certificate that contains my defaults. Once you make the changes, just run the script as root like: apache-ssl-Arch CN where CN is just the 'Common Name' (usually your FQDN for your server). If you omit the CN, you will be prompted. If you just want to gen the keys, request and cetrificate manually, you can always just cut and paste the commands from the script. In addition to the script, I also put my httpd.conf and httpd-ssl.conf (both without comments) on the site if anybody wants to reference them for the changes required: http://archangel.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/apache2/httpd.conf http://archangel.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/apache2/httpd-ssl.conf Lastly, I spun up what I think is a cool Archlinux footer image based on one of the images in /usr/share/arch-artwork/. If you like it -- take it. http://archangel.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/apache2/ArchFooter-small.png That's it, thanks to all for helping me learn Arch! (I guess that should be 'learn enough to get running') We all know, the learning is never really done;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Crud! Rebooted Can't Login - No Mouse or Keyboard with kdm??
Very cool :) Cheers. -AT On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:28 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: Alright. Perhaps if we're in agreement on this point, it should be removed from the wiki that this can cause problems. Honestly, I'm not sure what these problems could be, I was just going as per advice. Regardless, nice to keep my DAEMONS list a bit shorter. Cheers, -AT Well, it's confirmed that hal must check for dbus and with dbus before hal in the DAEMONS list there are no apparent problems because I have done it both ways in the past 24 hours with no visible problems. However, I have removed dbus from the DAEMONS list per AT's suggestion, and it works like a champ that way as well. Thanks again for the tip on backgrounding the processes in the DAEMONS list. DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network hal @sshd @crond @avahi-daemon @mysqld @samba @sensors kdm3) works fantastic. Boot time is the best I have seen out of any distro. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] libsoup 2.26.0-1 dependencies in [testing]
But it has a G in it, so I can't have it on my system! ;) Same reason I don't use gcc, git, gdb, the *G*NU tools in general, man paGes, X.orG, doxygen, anything with gettext, GIMP, anything -ng, or any pluGins. Don't even talk to me about grep. ;) - Andrei *G*aroth Thorp
Re: [arch-general] Handling optional dependencies with pacman?
Well, they're optional dependencies. Generally, I don't want them installed, if you mean that pacman should install them automatically. If you mean more that there should be a way to manually install optional dependencies sanely in some way, I agree. I think, though, the problem's not installing them but rather tracking them. Allan's opt dep tracking proposal at the given wiki link sounds like a really good plan though. I'm all for that, nothing further is needed. -AT On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Dieter Plaetinck wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:34:15 -0400 David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, Is there a better way to handle optional dependencies than just manually creating a list and checking it against the current installed packages to see if you need to install them before issuing the sync command and having some of the packages reinstalled? I can think of one: just don't install those packages at all until you need them! DR i use 2 custom bash functions. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=59385 There are some rough plans to someday improve optdeps support in pacman itself though :) See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Pacman_OptDepends Dieter Great, Thanks, that gives me something to shoot for in my spare time ;-) From what I can tell from watching the optional dependencies scroll by, it shouldn't be that bad to capture then, do the necessary checks and then handle the install of the dependencies in some sane manner. The real challenge will be getting more than 3 people to agree on any one way to do it... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] libsoup 2.26.0-1 dependencies in [testing]
+1 that I haven't had trouble with gconf really. At the moment, I don't run it and aside from some warnings from some apps, it's generally been fine too. -AT On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Hussam Al-Tayeb ht990...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-25 at 02:28 +0200, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:01:24 +0300 Hussam Al-Tayeb ht990...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 20:33 +0200, JM wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 17:17 +0200, JM wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 22:48 +0200, JM wrote: Hello, I noticed that libsoup in [testing] depends on gconf, is that really necessary? Libsoup is a dependency for some desktop-agnostic applications such as Midori (through its dependency on libwebkit) or hardinfo (currently in AUR). Regards, JM This is a temporary bugfix. At this moment the libproxy code in libsoup is unstable, so the libsoup developers decided to disable libproxy and use gconf instead for proxy detection. The changelog states that it's a temporary solution that will be worked out for 2.26.0. With 2.26.1, the dependencies will be the same as we had with the 2.25.x release which was in testing for a while. libsoup 2.26.1-1 still carries the dependency on gconf. Has the situation changed? Regards, JM No it hasn't, as this needs to be fixed inside libproxy. Libproxy is not threadsafe when it calls into gconf, so libsoup calls into GConf itself to get the proxy information and passes the information to libproxy. Until libproxy is fixed to do threadsafe calls into GConf, the dependency on GConf will stay. I mistakenly assumed that the problem had lied within libsoup not libproxy. Thanks for clarifying that. Regards, JM gconf only depends on orbit2=2.14.17 gtk2=2.16.0 libxml2=2.7.3 policykit=0.9 libldap=2.3.43 It has no dependencies on ugly gnome libs (libgnome, libbonobo) so non gnome users shouldn't have problem with it. But isn't gconf a daemon? There's an app in development I might want to use that uses vala and gconf, and I don't know how bad that gconf daemon is.. regards, Philipp It's perfectly safe and very well designed. It's job is to notify applications when their settings have been changed. For example, if you edit the configuration of gedit externally (not from inside gedit options dialog) but from gconf-editor for example, gconf daemon tells gedit that the settings have been changed without the need to restart gedit.
Re: [arch-general] libnotify as optdepend in thunar?
Was it a warning or an error? If it was just a warning and thunar did the right thing regardless, it sounds like it's a missing optdepends as you say. If it actually stopped working or was hindered in some way, it's probably a missing depend. Anyway, you're probably right. Libnotify is frequently an optional dependency that adds a nice abstraction layer to notifications. One thing that I found nifty is that my window manager/ DE (Awesome WM) actually catches libnotify events and displays its own pop-ups. Cheers, -AT On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:47 PM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: Hi there, today when I tried to unmount a thumbdrive in thunar I got an error message about missing libnotify. It worked after I installed it. Did I do something wrong or is it just missing in the optdepends array? Regards, Philipp
Re: [arch-general] First Problem with pacman - Need to understand why
So this explains the reporter mishaps perfectly then. They take your e-mails, freely change them, and then write their articles :) -Andrei Thorp On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Guilherme M. Nogueira g.maionogue...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.comwrote: pacman cares because pacman will try it's hardest to never ever break your system unless you say so. If pacman has no knowledge of files in your system, it'd be amazingly stupid to blindly overwrite them. What happens if I wrote a big long OOo document and saved it (stupidly) as /usr/bin/mydoc and then pacman decided to install an app named mydoc. Poof, lost my work. I know the above is a contrived example, but it serves to illustrate the point: pacman is not in control of your system. You are. Pacman will never say I know better than you, so I'll just replace this with what I think it should be. Instead it will say woah woah woah... you did something I don't understand. You deal with it and tell me when you figured it out These two paragraphs are great, Aaron! Would you mind if I add them to the wiki page of Pacman regarding the something: something exists in filesystem error, or is it too much informality for the wiki? Feel free to do what you want. All my mails are licensed under the WTFPL[1] 1: http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/COPYING
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
Lastly, are there any Arch Linux specific gui tools I should be aware of? Like for package config, etc.. Get to know the AUR, abs, and the makepkg tool. You'll be using makepkg a lot, as there's a pretty sizable number of packages in Arch that the devs don't maintain in the core or extra repos. In these cases, although sometimes it might still be available as a binary package in the community repo (which is maintained by Arch Trusted Users), more often than not it'll be available as a PKGBUILD script in the AUR, in which case you'll need to build the package yourself from source using makepkg. Many packages are available from source only like this, and it's really not a big deal to deal with, once you get used to it. (Plus once you get comfortable with Arch, you'll probably want to start creating your own PKGBUILDs for packages that don't exist yet anywhere in Arch.) As far as other Arch-specific tools, there's really not many. But I do use these from time to time: netcfg - a command-line utility that takes care of much of the hard work of connecting to a network. You set up a profile for, for example, a wifi network, and you can then connect to it with a simple command sudo netcfg your_wifi_network_profile hwdetect - very useful in auto-detecting the correct kernel modules for your hardware. e.g. sudo hwdetect --show-modules You probably need to install them; I don't think they come preinstalled: sudo pacman -S netcfg hwdetect abs fakeroot There are a couple GUI pacman frontends[1], but honestly, I can't really see the value. The CLI for pacman is excellent. I also like pkg tools, which has useful stuff like pkgfile. pkgfile is an add-on that lets you find which package provides this file. For example, if I didn't know what package provides kate, I could do pkgfile bin/kate and it would tell me that it's from extra/kdesdk. [1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_GUI_Frontends Cheers, -AT
Re: [arch-general] User Environment Setup in Arch Linux?
What I do is: ln -s ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile To always have the same settings Possibly a bad idea. If you only use your .bashrc to store a couple variables, that'll get you by. If you're actually using your .bashrc / .zshrc / whatever, that doesn't make sense to do. For example, by .zshrc provides a completely new command, sets console-specific settings (like mime-type support), overrides the operation of several commands so that they may not work as expected in scripts, and so on. I think as a general guideline, your profile file should have _just_ settings like EDITOR=vim or PATH=blah. Maybe you could put aliases in there also. If you want to have the same settings in both cases, just have your .bashrc source your .bash_profile. Cheers, -Andrei Thorp
Re: [arch-general] Crud! Rebooted Can't Login - No Mouse or Keyboard with kdm??
Make sure to start D-Bus and HAL before you start KDM. In rc.conf: DAEMONS=( ... dbus hal kdm ... ) Kind regards, -- Bram Schoenmakers Don't put dbus in your DAEMONS, hal starts dbus for you. From the Arch wiki page on HAL: When HAL initializes it will check for the presence of D-Bus and load it automatically. If you have dbus in your list of daemons, remove it, since it can cause problems. -AT
Re: [arch-general] User Environment Setup in Arch Linux?
I'd say the default skel one is kind of bad too. You can probably even get into security issues doing that. -AT
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
Also, forgot to mention: look at pacman-color for, well. Yeah. Anyway, yep. I've seen a lot of posts from you here already. You ask some questions that perhaps could have been avoided by reading more on the wiki, but you're kind and positive so I think people don't mind. Makes us feel good answering questions anyway ;) Cheers, -AT On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:17 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: There are a couple GUI pacman frontends[1], but honestly, I can't really see the value. The CLI for pacman is excellent. I also like pkg tools, which has useful stuff like pkgfile. pkgfile is an add-on that lets you find which package provides this file. For example, if I didn't know what package provides kate, I could do pkgfile bin/kate and it would tell me that it's from extra/kdesdk. [1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_GUI_Frontends Cheers, -AT Thanks Andrei! I see your point about pacman. On openSuSE, I did all package management from the CLI with zypper, so no need for a gui with pacman. The only thing I ever used yast for concerning package management, would be for massive downgrades of packages where for example dropping from Xorg 7.3 back to 7.2 was easier with yast's search and then up/downgrade options. So far, Arch is killer. I am up and running. Have all the passwordless ssh access done, samba up and configured, mysql up and secured. Now all I have to do is generate the ca-certs and get apache2 configured with mod_ssl, mod_deflate, and mod_rewrite and I'll have a replacement server build on arch. Then I can dive into hylafax with Avantfax front-end, configure ppp for a dial-in server (so I can use the Arch box as a dial in ISP to access the cable internet connection when I'm stuck at the lake w/o internet). After that, I'll be done...(tongue-in-cheek, we all know your are never really done;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Crud! Rebooted Can't Login - No Mouse or Keyboard with kdm??
I think I might have mentioned this to you before, but if you think your boot speed is fast compared with SUSE now, put some @s in front of some of the things in your boot process. Try: DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network hal @sshd @crond @avahi-daemon @mysqld @samba @sensors kdm3) Note: - I removed netfs -- do you need mounting of network filesystems in your boot process? - I removed dbus -- as I said several posts back, you shouldn't have both hal and dbus, since hal starts dbus. - the @ signs will background processes. I asked it to start your log, network, hal, and kdm3 normally. I don't think the ordering of anything else particularly matters here, so I put @ signs in front of them. This will probably make your boot time about half of what it is now. Cheers. -AT On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Bram Schoenmakers wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 19:29:30 David C. Rankin wrote: Hello David, I thought I was ready to rock and roll, but when I grabbed the mouse - it didn't move?? Then I tried typing my pw, and no characters (or dots) appeared? The I tried ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X -- no joy. Then ctrl+alt+F1, still no joy. OK, ssh into box and kill kdm, back to normal login. Now I'm scratching my head on what to check to get my mouse and keyboard back? Any ideas? From Xorg.0.log, this is obviously the problem: (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 (WW) Disabling Mouse0 Huh? They must have been there a minute ago what gives? I wonder how they got started last time? Make sure to start D-Bus and HAL before you start KDM. In rc.conf: DAEMONS=( ... dbus hal kdm ... ) Kind regards, Ahah! [13:38 archangel:/etc] # cat rc.conf | grep -E DAEMONS\|MODULES # MODULES: Modules to load at boot-up. Prefix with a ! to blacklist. # NOTE: Use of 'MOD_BLACKLIST' is deprecated. Please use ! in the MODULES array. MODULES=(dm_mod dm_mirror sata_sil nvidia) # DAEMONS DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs sshd crond avahi-daemon mysqld samba sensors kdm3) I swear I put them in there! Where did they go? Somebody must have typed ':q' instead of ':wq' on the last trip into rc.conf. What idiot could that have been? Fixed now: [13:43 archangel:/etc] # cat rc.conf | grep DAEMONS # DAEMONS DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs sshd crond dbus hal avahi-daemon mysqld samba sensors kdm3) I'll give kde another go and report back. Thanks Bram. Also, if you see anything wrong with the daemon loading order, please let me know. I'm just putting things in a order I think is logical (that doesn't really mean the order 'is' actually logical;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
Like I said, nothing to feel bad about. People seem more than happy to answer (I sure am) and you're nice. Cheers, -AT On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:50 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: Also, forgot to mention: look at pacman-color for, well. Yeah. Anyway, yep. I've seen a lot of posts from you here already. You ask some questions that perhaps could have been avoided by reading more on the wiki, but you're kind and positive so I think people don't mind. Makes us feel good answering questions anyway ;) Cheers, Sorry Andrei, I guess I'm just excited about getting up and running with Arch and was avoiding some of the rtfm, so I could get the base system going. Now that I'm up and running, I'll take more time with tmf to eliminate additional posts. But, on the flip side, you can never gauge a community by sitting silent on the sidelines ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Crud! Rebooted Can't Login - No Mouse or Keyboard with kdm??
Alright. Perhaps if we're in agreement on this point, it should be removed from the wiki that this can cause problems. Honestly, I'm not sure what these problems could be, I was just going as per advice. Regardless, nice to keep my DAEMONS list a bit shorter. Cheers, -AT On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 21:37 +0200, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: On Thursday 23 April 2009 20:31:45 Andrei Thorp wrote: When HAL initializes it will check for the presence of D-Bus and load it automatically. If you have dbus in your list of daemons, remove it, since it can cause problems. -AT Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what problems could arise? Kind regards, There is no problem putting dbus in the DAEMONS array, as long as it's started before hal it's fine. This start dbus logic was added to hal because users didn't put dbus in rc.conf and reported bugs about hal not working. Hal won't start dbus when it's already running.
Re: [arch-general] General Linux Server Information Available
Nice to hear about yet another convert :) -AT On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Jonathan Brown jbs...@yahoo.com wrote: Very nice- btw are you related to Kyle Rankin of Linux Journal? - Original Message From: David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com To: Archlinux arch-general@archlinux.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:51:51 AM Subject: [arch-general] General Linux Server Information Available Listmates, Just a general point of interest. Over the past 4-5 months, as time permits, I have made an effort to put up a site to capture some of the Linux notes, tips, etc.. that I have squirreled away over the years and make that information available to anyone that it might help. The site is 3111skyline.com and the top-level menu entries of interest are openSuSE Howtos and Linux Tips Tricks. Regardless of the main tab title openSuSE Howtos, there is a bunch of stuff that applies to Linux in general, like the openSuSE Server Setup page, etc.., they are general enough to apply to any distro. Like tonight, I was using that page to setup and secure mysql, etc.. on Arch. The link to the raw information that has not been formatted into web pages is the Linux Download Dirs... link under the Linux Tips Tricks menu. That is just a link to the directories for the website that has +Indexes enabled so you can just pick around and browse. There is a fairly cool collection of wallpapers, etc. in the directories that are not listed in the menus. Additionally, the complete 3-Column layout for the website itself has been packaged and made available for anyone who has thought about setting up a site themselves and wants a go-by to use to see how things work or to tear apart and take the useful/interesting parts from. All of the information is available under GPL3 (except for family photos, etc. that should be secured), so if any of the information would be useful to add to the Arch wiki, feel free to grab it and just copy and paste it to the wiki. I will try to add useful information to the Arch wiki, as time permits. Right now the site is hosted/mirrored on two openSuSE boxes sitting in my house. (I just change the external routing between the two depending on which one I am working on at the time) I am working to get my Arch install up and running on one of the boxes, so as soon as I pick through the apache configs and get apache and ssl configured on the Arch box, the site will be hosted there. That's it. No questions in this post. Just hopefully some help for anyone that can use some of the information I have squirreled away;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
startx is really just a small wrapper around the X command. (It's a 250 line shell script at /usr/bin/startx) What it mostly does is invoke X with a few arguments, one of which is your .xinitrc file, which is also a shell script. If you're not familiar with this file, what it is is a list of programs which should be started (it's literally just a shell script). Mostly what you'd want to do is background a bunch of programs like: pidgin terminal And then at the end have one main program that runs: metacity # or whatever you use -- possibly kdm3 will work here. Then literally those programs will start. You can do more complex constructs since shell supports if/for/while, etc. Anyway, good luck. -AT On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Holloway m...@holloway-web.de wrote: Hey there, On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:00:41AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: I have found /etc/rc.d/kdm3, and I am searching for where it gets called by startx -- any hints? Also, I'll try downgrading the nvidia driver, in the mean time. One way is to put kdm3 in the DAEMONS array in /etc/rc.conf. Then it magically appears at boot time. If you want to start KDE through startx you have to edit your ~/.xinitrc. Greets
Re: [arch-general] Best way to clone install (package selection to another box?)
Funny enough, I did think of copying my packages over when I was
trying to clone a machine. But then I realized my target machine was
x86_64 and my main machine was x86 :}
Oh well.
-AT
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:57 AM, David C. Rankin
drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
Juan Diego wrote:
box1:
pacman -Qet | awk '{print $1}' INSTALLED
box 2:
(first copy files from /var/cache/pacman/pkg in box1 to box2 and also
INSTALLED file)
pacman -S $(cat installed)
Pierre Schmitz wrote:
or just
pacman -Qqet INSTALLED
Daniel J Griffiths wrote:
If you're looking for something simple, I have a script in the AUR
called Packup that allows you to backup and restore installed packages.
Juan, Pierre Daniel,
That is the next best thing since sliced bread. Thank you all. Beats
having to
roll-your-own any day. Looking at:
usage: pacman {-Q --query} [options] [package]
-e, --explicit list all packages explicitly installed
-q, --quiet show less information for query and search
-t, --unrequired list all packages not required by any package
it makes sense now, but I wouldn't have put those pieces together without
help;-) But, I got close! (even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a
while):
for i in $(find /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ -type f); do
TMP=${i##*/}
FILE=${TMP%%-[[:digit:]]*}
echo $FILE ~/linux/INSTALLED
done
creates the equivalent of pacman -Qqet INSTALLED (although not in
one
swipe), and pacman --sync $( ~/linux/INSTALLED) would have gotten the
rest.
The big missing piece of the puzzle was rsyncing the files from box1 - box2
instead of requiring a complete re-download of the files. I like it! Thanks
again!
The info has been duly saved to my basket notepads archive and will be
handy
as soon as I get my little kde problem sorted. (PS, I found /etc/rc.d/kdm3, so
I'm getting warmer)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
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Re: [arch-general] How is process loading configured at boot? rc.sysinit rc.local?
The DAEMONS is actually surprisingly powerful. Some tips: - /etc/rc.d is where the scripts for DAEMONS are. Any file there can be used in the DAEMONS array. These files aren't in the typical linux init style, but easy. - You can hack some stuff to get multiple DAEMONS arrays if you want runlevels - As per comments in the rc.conf, @ in front of a daemon will start it in the background at boot (so you can start stuff in parallel) # I missed this note :/ Sorry if you knew all this already, cheers. -AT On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: David Rosenstrauch wrote: Most people start their daemons in the rc.conf file. See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Rc.conf DR (smacks-self for forgetting what I read during install) Thanks again DR, I should have the basics sorted by tomorrow... let us hope. I am certainly enjoying what I'm finding in Arch, not to mention the satisfying feeling of not having some corporate bureaucracy using my disto as a beta farm ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Anyone building pdftk for Archlinux?
Basically, you click download Tarball, unpack the tarball, cd into the directory and do makepkg -s This will download the sources, build the package as per PKGBUILD script, and gives you the resulting Arch package. pacman -U pkg_file will install it. Cheers! -AT On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: On Wed, April 22, 2009 12:06 am, David C. Rankin wrote: David Rosenstrauch wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, Looking for my favorite swiss army knife for pdf files (pdftk) I was unable to locate it with pacman -Ss pdftk and no luck. It's in the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0L=0C=0K=pdftkSeB=ndPP=25 i.e., you have to build it yourself. DR Great, I'm still reading through the AUR info to see if there are any tricks beyond the normal: if ! autoconf; then ./configure --help (read, make educated guesses) ./configure --your guesses make make install else go rtfm again to remember autoconf ./configure --help (read, make educated guesses) ./configure --your guesses make make install fi ;-) ??? How about makepkg. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ABS#The_build_function.2C_the_ABS_way DR
Re: [arch-general] Anyone building pdftk for Archlinux?
I've personally found yaourt kind of sketchy, but perhaps others' milage varies. -AT On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Edgar Kalkowski em...@edgar-kalkowski.de wrote: Or you install yaourt (via makepkg) which can transparently install from aur, too. On Mittwoch, 22. April 2009, 13:59:45 Andrei Thorp wrote: Basically, you click download Tarball, unpack the tarball, cd into the directory and do makepkg -s This will download the sources, build the package as per PKGBUILD script, and gives you the resulting Arch package. pacman -U pkg_file will install it. Cheers! -AT On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: On Wed, April 22, 2009 12:06 am, David C. Rankin wrote: David Rosenstrauch wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, Looking for my favorite swiss army knife for pdf files (pdftk) I was unable to locate it with pacman -Ss pdftk and no luck. It's in the AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0L=0C=0K=pdftkSeB=ndPP=25 i.e., you have to build it yourself. DR Great, I'm still reading through the AUR info to see if there are any tricks beyond the normal: if ! autoconf; then ./configure --help (read, make educated guesses) ./configure --your guesses make make install else go rtfm again to remember autoconf ./configure --help (read, make educated guesses) ./configure --your guesses make make install fi ;-) ??? How about makepkg. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ABS#The_build_function.2C_the_ABS_way DR
Re: [arch-general] vi went Orange on me?? Never seen it before --what is it?
Sounds good. -AT On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:15 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Andrei Thorp wrote: Erk, I'm always a bit iffy on editing system-wide configurations. If the package is updated, pacman won't update the edited configuration file (and start spawing .pacnew files), right? I also just don't like keeping configurations outside of home if at all possible. Does the current Arch VI respect .virc in your home dir? If so, put set nohlsearch in your .virc file instead. That just turns it off regardless of whether the system-wide one turns it on or not. Also, I would like to kindly suggest that you consider using full VIM instead of VI. It has a lot more features and is often much nicer to work with. Sorry if I'm telling you stuff you already know and don't need to hear again :) Cheers, -Andrei Thorp Thanks Andrei, It doesn't matter how basic it is, never, ever underestimate my ability to either overlook it or have forgotten it ;-) On the system wide issue, If I can get a good config I like, that's generally my preference. That way when a user has a questions about X, I know what he is looking at and how whatever it is is configured. (my users are my family, kids and the office staff -- not too many, but anything helps) So far /etc/virc seems to be doing the job. I'll add my dark color scheme to ~/.virc and see if that works, but if /etc/virc will take care of the basic stuff, then I'm good! From reading the man page, pacman handles updates of config files in the same way rpm does, so that works fine for me. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
And usually, Slim's a fat bastard. Maybe not this time though :/ -AT On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: David C. Rankin wrote: David Rosenstrauch wrote: And if a non-X boot was needed, you could achieve it by just taking slim out of the rc.conf daemons list, and just starting /etc/rc.d/slim from the command line when/if needed. DR OK, I just have to know -- who is slim? Every time in my life I have run across anyone named Slim or Lefty, they usually turn out to be pretty shady characters... So what's this thing named 'slim' like on Arch? ;-) See http://slim.berlios.de/ DR
Re: [arch-general] Bit of a snag in starting kde3 - No devices detected - driver prob?
You don't get an .xinitrc by default. -AT On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Nicolas Bigaouette nbigaoue...@gmail.com wrote: nvidia is the closed-source driver. He was asking for the open-source nv, which I think has been dropped by Arch, IIRC. xf86-video-nouveau is a reversed engineered driver that should provide 2D and 3D capabilities, something nv was not able to do. 2009/4/22 David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net Nicolas Bigaouette wrote: If you want KDE to start when you startx, put startkde in your .xinitrc. As for the nv driver, its not a kernel driver, its an Xorg driver. It's been drop since it sucks . Instead try nouveau: pacman -S extra/xf86-video-nouveau Or perhaps pacman -S nvidia DR
Re: [arch-general] Proposed netcfg expansion
Cool, thanks :) -AT On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, James Rayner iphi...@iphitus.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. Well, in that case, guess there isn't really anything to be done, aside from perhaps updating a netcfg example to include this. This is why I like to ask first :) I have an FR to add an example for this. I believe I have one in git, but not the current release. I _think_ it might also be mentioned on the wiki page somewhere too. James
Re: [arch-general] vi went Orange on me?? Never seen it before -- what is it?
Erk, I'm always a bit iffy on editing system-wide configurations. If the package is updated, pacman won't update the edited configuration file (and start spawing .pacnew files), right? I also just don't like keeping configurations outside of home if at all possible. Does the current Arch VI respect .virc in your home dir? If so, put set nohlsearch in your .virc file instead. That just turns it off regardless of whether the system-wide one turns it on or not. Also, I would like to kindly suggest that you consider using full VIM instead of VI. It has a lot more features and is often much nicer to work with. Sorry if I'm telling you stuff you already know and don't need to hear again :) Cheers, -Andrei Thorp On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: János Illés wrote: I'm kind of chuckling at this one. I did a simple substitution in vi on 2009.02 to comment out a few samba shares I wasn't going to use from a smb.conf I copied over. I simply used ':35,72s/^/# /' and then -- Orange appeared over all the comments and leading whitespace in the file. See (38k): Any thoughts on this one are welcomed. Thanks. Hi. You have turned on hlsearch, which is matching every /^/ and showing it to you. You can hide the orange hilight with the :nohl[search] command every time it appears or turn of hlsearch for good in your vimrc file. Thanks Aaron and Janos: I found it in /etc/virc, I made the change as follows and all is well: Switch syntax highlighting on, when the terminal has colors Also switch on highlighting the last used search pattern. if t_Co 2 || has(gui_running) syntax on set hlsearch endif -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Proposed netcfg expansion
Certainly, WPA is the way to go (though that's been cracked somewhat easily too using video cards' vector capabilities from what I hear). Regardless, there are WEP access points, and people do only know the passphrase. Do you suggest that this should go for iwconfig rather than netcfg? I technically agree. Ah, Daenyth's e-mail just came in. I can try to do something with the iwconfig guys, but honestly, adding passphrase support is pretty trivial and I must wonder if they haven't added it due to philosophical reasons. Guess I'll try get in touch with them and see what they say. -AGT On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello there, I was recently digging around in the netcfg code to figure out why my WEP passphrase wasn't working. As I expected, it is because iwconfig at the moment doesn't support WEP passphrase. Anyway, so I'd like to know the reason this has not been implemented in general. Is it because the netcfg devs want it in iwconfig and the iwconfig guys don't want to write this? Is it because no one has cared enough to do it? Should I go talk about this elsewhere? Anyway, I personally think that netcfg could use this feature, and that it'd be dead simple to implement. I figured I'd do it while I'm on break, but I wanted to confirm that this is indeed a feature that wasn't being avoided for some reason. If it is a feature that is being avoided, can I at least write a small patch to tell the user what's the haps? (At the moment, netcfg tries to use the improper passphrase by passing a command to iwconfig and then iwconfig throws out a cryptic unknown command error.) Well, technically this has nothing to do with netcfg. If you patch iwconfig to support it, the patch would go upstream and netcfg would just work, it seems. That said, isn't WEP all sorts of broken? I was under the impression WPA was the way to go these days
