Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 22.09.2016 um 02:58 schrieb Jason Ryan via arch-general:
> On 21/09/16 at 08:36pm, Dave via arch-general wrote:
>> see below
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general <
>> arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe this change will only serve to alienate potential new users,
>>
>> I strongly agree.
>
> This will only alienate new users that are unwilling to read man pages
> and the
> community provided documentation, ie., people for whom Arch is the
> wrong choice
> anyway…
>
> /J
>

I just had a look at the Installation Guide and as a seasoned user I
must say it's pretty comprehensive and right to the point! *BUT *being a
seasoned user I can't take the perspective of a beginner any more. When
I came to Arch I had some experience with other distros (mostly the once
that obfuscate the insides of a Linux distro). The Beginners Guide
helped me to get on track to start learning how a Linux distro really
worked. It was the beginning of great experience and I'm thankful for
every Arch Linux boot on my machine since then.
I don't know, if starting with such a scarce Installation Guide would
have made my motor running like the Beginners Guide. I just can't say.
Time has past, as for almost every one on this mailing list.
My point is, that it's not wrong to engage new and even inexperienced
users in Arch Linux, because IMHO it is the distro you can learn most
from about Linux. Sure, beginners break their installations, lose their
data, etc. That's nothing bad. The more you lose the more you learn and
be more careful next time. And if they get disappointed or frustrated
about that and go back to Ubuntu or whatever, so be it. Then they are
really the wrong people for Arch.

That being said, I'm still in favour of the merge of Installation and
Beginners Guide, but maybe we could include some more background
information for beginners (not to much though ;)). And to not distract
the seasoned users, these infos could be placed in collapsed boxes with
some header like "Beginners information". There is a wiki template
 for such boxes, but I
think it's not included in our wiki yet. It would be still nice and tidy
and maintainable, while being informative for beginners.

pogo

Re: [arch-general] Laptop cooling fan does not work

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 25.08.2016 um 05:30 schrieb Peter Nabbefeld:
> Am 23.08.2016 um 21:10 schrieb Jayesh Badwaik:
>>> There seems to be sth. wrong with my Nvidia settings, nvidia-settings
>>> shows an error that X is incorrectly configured and my vidieo card
>>> seems not to be used - probably this causes the problems. Maybe this
>>> is caused by some update or sth. else. I'll check that next weekend.
>>
>> Okay, first you must install lm_sensors package and run
>> $ sensors
>>
> I already had installed it. After even running sensors-detect again, I
> got this output (after replacing the nvidia driver by the nouveau one):
>
> acpitz-virtual-0
> Adapter: Virtual device
> temp1:+52.0°C  (crit = +120.0°C)
>
> nouveau-pci-0100
> Adapter: PCI adapter
> GPU core: +0.60 V
> temp1:N/A  (high = +95.0°C, hyst =  +3.0°C)
>(crit = +105.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
>(emerg = +135.0°C, hyst =  +5.0°C)
> power1:   N/A
>
> coretemp-isa-
> Adapter: ISA adapter
> Physical id 0:  +53.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
> Core 0: +53.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
> Core 1: +48.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
> Core 2: +51.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
> Core 3: +49.0°C  (high = +84.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
>
> As my grafics card is of type NVE4/GK104M, I'd expect temperature data
> to be available - but it obviously isn't (fan control should be
> available ...). Probably I've misunderstodd sth.?
>
>> command. This will tell you about your fan speed for the processor.
>> Next, if the CPU processor is running, determine which driver are you
>> using. For this, you need to do lsmod, which lists all the modules
>> listed (this should contain your video driver module)
>>
>> $ lsmod | grep -i nvidia
>>
>> $ lsmod | grep -i nouveau
>>
>
> nouveau  1478656  1
> ttm77824  1 nouveau
> mxm_wmi16384  1 nouveau
> wmi16384  2 mxm_wmi,nouveau
> video  36864  2 i915,nouveau
> button 16384  2 i915,nouveau
> i2c_algo_bit   16384  2 i915,nouveau
> drm_kms_helper118784  2 i915,nouveau
> drm   294912  8 ttm,i915,drm_kms_helper,nouveau
>
>
>> At least one the above should return something. nouveau is the open
>> source driver.
>>
>>

I must agree with Sean. You are probably focusing to much on the
graphics driver. Most Laptop have only one fan nowadays to cool both,
processor and graphics card. When either one gets to hot, the fan should
react.
Please follow Seans advise to downgrade the kernel or better the whole
system to the state it was before your the upgrade, which broke the fan
functionality. First step should be ruling out hardware failures. Once
you know for certain, that it is indeed a software problem you can start
searching for the particular software. For example, by upgrading package
by package (only for critical packages of course).

Re: [arch-general] AUR Packages no longer visible from Archlinux

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 01.03.2016 um 02:54 schrieb Marshall Neill:
> This is what I fail to understand; How did this get out of testing when
> obviously something is broke?
> 

Erm... package-query is in the AUR. There is no testing. No garantees.
Just trust in the maintainers, who, by the way, are doing great jobs
most of the time.

Re: [arch-general] Makefile possibly removed libc?

[Jürgen Werner]

> Thanks guys, but pacman -qk sublime-text and glibc both listed a pile of
> files and said nothing was missing.  Normally when I screw up this bad id
> uninstall/reinstall but I will not have net access on this machine for
another two weeks so its sneaker net for me.  any other ideas?

Hi Vattan,
unless you ran sublime as root it could have not damaged anything system
relevant. Usually if I run out of disc space, I made the observation,
that either my home or the /tmp directory is screwed up. Try to
delete/rename the .sublime folder in your home. Also, if your /tmp
directory is not in RAM, clean it.
If neither helps, try starting sublime as a different user (with clean
home directory).
Good luck!

Re: [arch-general] kdebase-workspace and kdeplasma-addons-frameworks are in conflict

[Jürgen Werner]

I think nobody mentioned pactree so far. IMO this is the most convenient 
tool for finding dependencies. For the local database use


$ pactree -r kde-workspace

or for the sync database

$ pactree -sr kde-workspace


On 24.11.2014 20:42, Ralf Mardorf:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:35:53 -0500
Mark Lee m...@markelee.com wrote:

On 11/24/2014 02:25 PM, Damjan Georgievski wrote:
Use pacman -Qi kdebase-workspace.

That does not show what depends on it, that isn't already installed.

Something like this
$ pacman -Si | grep kdebase-workspace
that also shows the names ;).

Perhaps a loop including all packages that should be upgraded and
dependencies that should be installed by an upgrade in a loop as
variable package

pacman -Si | grep $package

Re: [arch-general] Wrong screen resolution after xorg shutdown

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 03.11.2014 22:26, schrieb Yamakaky:

Hi

I have a problem with my screen resolution. When I close xorg, the 
console uses only 1/4 of the screen (1280x800). I have in intel 
HD3000, with the intel driver. I couldn't find anything related to my 
problem in the wiki. [This 
solution](https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel#KMS_Issue:_console_is_limited_to_small_area) 
didn't work. Any idea ?


Yamakaky


Hi,

what about boot time? Do you have a full screen then? And what if you 
switch to a console when xorg is still running?
Also, did you try this: 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_Mode_Setting#Forcing_modes_and_EDID 



Juergen

Re: [arch-general] Where's my locale gone?

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 03.11.2014 10:21, schrieb Paul Gideon Dann:

On 31 October 2014 15:42, Mateus Rodrigues Costa charles.cos...@gmail.com
wrote:


2014-10-31 13:34 GMT-02:00 Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com:

# sudo localectl set-locale en_GB.utf8
Failed to issue method call: Invalid Locale data.

Could this be a corrupted file? (Feasible, as we did have a power cut.) I
tried reinstalling glibc, but that didn't help.

Paul


localectl set-locale LANG=en_GB.utf8


# sudo localectl set-locale LANG=en_GB.utf8
# echo $LANG
en_US.UTF-8
# sudo localectl
System Locale: LANG=en-GB.utf8
VC Keymap: dvorak
   X11 Layout: n/a

I tried a new login session too in a fresh VT, and the LANG environment
variable is still en_US.UTF-8.

Paul


You have to run

# locale-gen

Re: [arch-general] Where's my locale gone?

[Jürgen Werner]

Am 03.11.2014 11:03, schrieb Paul Gideon Dann:

On 3 November 2014 09:45, Jürgen Werner jotz@web.de wrote:


You have to run

# locale-gen


Jürgen, note my original post:


I've checked locale.gen and rerun locale-gen without any effect. I've

also tried rerunning mkinitpio for good measure.

Paul


Well, I meant after running

sudo localectl set-locale LANG=en_GB.utf8

You didn't list that, so I thought you forgot it.