Re: [arch-general] Need to meet a tech guy
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:52 -0300, Pedro Jordão wrote: 2012/9/13 Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com Dear list, I'm a 47 years old trader, and the current financial crisis forces me to change my job. I am working on few business projects which involve good tech knowledges. I am not a tech guy, just a sophisticated user (proudly running an Arch box) whith tech as a hobby. I nedd to gather informtaions for the tech part of my projects and would appreciate to talk with someone involved in the web and software industry. I am leaving in Geneva, Switzerland, and if one of you is here too and can spend a litle time to meet and answer my questions, please PM. French speaking and knowledges in R language http://www.r-project.org would be a plus. Thank you. Hey, I'm not really a tech guy and don't speak French, but I use R pretty much every day. If you want any help you can ask me. Same here :) -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Pacman and Systemd's automount
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 12:11:27 +0100 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Because you you have Check space enabled in pacman.conf As well, I would suggest adding x-systemd.device-timeout to your fstab, so it doesn't hang forever. What's the reason for the default being hang forever? I would imagine the reason is to avoid making assumptions about how long it takes every device to come up. See also: halting problem. You could argue that some long default is sensible, but this is not the systemd development list... -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] systemd pulseaudio
$ lscpi bash: lscpi: command not found !!! I guess something must be wrong in my systemd settings. The p comes before the c: lspci lspci is unrelated to systemd. -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: systemd pulseaudio
Don't you need to sign it too? I would ? Signing a package you build for yourself, knowing that it's a dummy, without a source and even if there should be a source, why signing this package. Is this an UEFI thingy? Sarcasm lost in translation ;). If you would be signing it locally for one system then I see why you think of sarcasm but otherwise pacman should be configured to stop on a non-signed package install. You don't need sudo or su to sign a package with your own key, just import your own (public) key into the pacman keyring as normal and trust it. -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] systemd-readahead
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:27:07 +0100 Paul Gideon Dann pdgid...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Does anyone know if system-readahead is supposed to work in our current package? For me, there is an error message during boot (something about an event being too large to process), and there is no /.readahead file created. systemctl also reports a non-zero exit status, but no log entry, and I can't find the actual error message in the journal or dmesg. Does someone have this working? I do, set up in the completely straightforward way: # systemctl enable systemd-readahead-collect.service # systemctl enable systemd-readahead-replay.service I didn't do anything special, and it works fine: $ ls -l /.readahead -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17377 Aug 22 09:30 /.readahead -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Think twice before moving to systemd
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:16:31 +0200 Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto denisfalqu...@gmail.com wrote: This is so stupid that it's not even funny. You said that the problem was having CONFIG_HZ=300 and systemd. I said it is not, because I also have that situation and it works. So, your point is moot. I didn't say you don't have a problem, but just that it may be not related to CONFIG_HZ. I even sent you an article with ways on how to inspect the behaviour of systemd, which was completely ignored. My problem with CONFIG_HZ exists independently of whether you experience the problem yourself or not. But it suggests that the problem is not *just* systemd and CONFIG_HZ=300. I am, and many others are, running systemd with CONFIG_HZ=300 fine. If you encountered a problem, there must be some other underlying cause. A constructive response would work towards finding and addressing the other underlying cause. No. You clearly don't understand how epistemology works, and I'm not going to explain it to you. irony of ironies... -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll
It's actually more like a business. Often times businesses do polls or statistical information gathering in order to better server their customers. yeah, but an open online poll is not statistics gathering, because you don't have any way to ensure that you get a representative random sample. -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd
/sbin/init from sysvinit alone is useless. What is your point? The rest are rather simple scripts (in the case of Arch Linux). And you are still ignoring the fact that systemd is anything but *simple*. How convenient to ignore that argument. Those simple scripts are written in a Turing complete language for doing whatever, while unit files are much more constrained in what they can do and have been engineered to specify boot and daemon dependencies. It's surprising to see people calling shell scripts simple. They are common, not simple. The basic idea behind systemd, as I understand it, *is* simple: specify only what needs to be specified about the boot process and daemon start-up and management. -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Polkit and systemd
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:13:33 -0400 Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: Hello, If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I thought it took for polkit to work with systemd: * compile polkit with --enable-systemd * enable the systemd polkit service * that's it? But that's not it. Although polkit seems to work in console, it does not work in X. This is not terribly surprising, because I haven't done anything equivalent to launching my WM under ck-launch-session, as I used to do with consolekit. Is there an equivalent way of launching the window manager under systemd-acting-as-consolekit? I should explain that I'm using no display manager, and I'd like to keep it this way, if at all possible. Do you start your window manager with startx? I start fluxbox that way, and switching to: startx -- vt01 prevents a different virtual terminal from being started, and everything works fine. -- John K Pate http://jkpate.net/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Glibc problems still failing
and .. 7-of-9:/home/pete/Documents # cd / 7-of-9:/ # grep '^lib/' /var/lib/pacman/local/*/files | grep -v glibc /var/lib/pacman/local/ld-lsb-3-3/files:lib/ /var/lib/pacman/local/ld-lsb-3-3/files:lib/ld-lsb.so.3 I had the same issue. updating ld-lsb (from the aur) will move the offending file to /usr/lib/. -- John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?
Now, what's the confusion here? People seem to think that you are part of the main Arch Linux project and are thus confused as to why you have separate forums. I've only seen one person express confusion on this point... is this really a problem? -- John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Request of printing warnings at the end of pacman upgrade
On Mon, 2 Jul 2012 00:56:24 +0800 BlissSam m13...@hotmail.com wrote: And what I also want to say, the message should not be printed too often unless a really really important package is upgraded (such a bootloader or something else). Or if the message is printed EVERY time upgrading the system, no one will check the log. Isn't this taken care of by just checking the news before upgrading, which you should do anyway? -- John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] locale variables
It seems to me some lignes about French and euro are missing. Am I right? Looking at the list etc/locale.pacnew, I was thinking adding these locales : #fr_CH.UTF-8 UTF-8 #fr_CH ISO-8859-1 #fr_FR.UTF-8 UTF-8 #fr_FR ISO-8859-1 #fr_FR@euro ISO-8859-15 Am I right to add all these locales? I understand I must run *$logal-gen* to add these modifications. What should I do with the locale.gen.pacnew ?? How can I update my system correctly? I see that all locales are going to */usr/share/i18n/locales*, and I guess locale.gen.pacnew will modify this list, but I have no idea how to do that. .pacnew files are created when pacman downloads a changed version of some configuration file you have changed. Instead of trying to guess what you want, pacman leaves your configuration file as-is and leaves the new version of the config file in a .pacnew file. It's up to you to merge the new default configuration file with the configuration file you have changed locally. I use vimdiff to merge .pacnew files. Once the files have been merged, you should delete the .pacnew file. Read more here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacnew_and_Pacsave_Files So you should merge /etc/locale.gen with /etc/locale.gen.pacnew, make sure the relevant locales are uncommented, run locale-gen, and then delete your .pacnew file. -- John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] a bit more script
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 08:15 +, pete wrote: Hi folks . Sorry to be a pain but i am still having a bit of fun (or not as the case may be) with scripting here thanks to previous help i have for f in *jpg ; do echo a class=\highslide\ href=\$f\ onclick=\return hs.expand(this)\img src=\thumbs/\$f\/a ; done awardgallery.html which works well and generates a class=highslide href=img_0004.jpg onclick=return hs.expand(this)img src=thumbs/img_0004.jpg/a The slight problem is in this part img src=thumbs/img_0004.jpg thumbs is a sub dir off the main photos with thumbnails in it they are named img_0004_s.jpg and i can get it to pick this fact up that means i have an edit job every time . help with mods please folks https://www.google.com/search?q=string+handling+bash == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] a bit more script
Thanks to John K Pate but i dont at the moment have time to sit and
digest heaps of variables i just need to solve this one problem .
You want to be able to change img_0004.jpg to img_0004_s.jpg, right?
You can use the built-in string replace functionality of bash to achieve
this (described in the first hit of that google search):
$ f=img_0004.jpg
$ echo $f
img_0004.jpg
$ echo ${f/.jpg/_s.jpg}
img_0004_s.jpg
==
John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/
--
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Current PKGBUILD that pulls directly from git? [SOLVED]
for i in $(find /var/abs -name PKGBUILD); do if grep git clone $i; then
echo
found in $i; fi; done
was the ticket!
grep -l git clone /var/abs/*/*/PKGBUILD
or if you're uncertain about the directory structure
find /var/abs/ -name PKGBUILD -exec grep -l git clone {} \;
are a bit more straightforward
==
John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/
--
The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] PKGBUILD help
Yes been there but all that happens is i get a load of failed deps one of which it seems cannot be satisfied and all 32 bit stuff this is a 64 bit the PKGBUILD mentions 64 bit but goes for 32 bit the fails also complains about google-earth.install is missing so i dont know where to look next It installs 32-bit libraries because the google-earth binary is 32-bit. You can still run 32-bit programs on a 64-bit system. I've got a 64-bit system and it's installed and runs fine. The missing dependency is probably ld-lsb, which you have to get from the AUR and install prior to installing google-earth. If it is complaining about a missing google-earth.install, probably you downloaded just the PKGBUILD. Download and extract the full tarball and you'll have google-earth.install. I should point out that all of this information is available at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Google earth
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 13:14 +, Peter G Nikolic wrote: Hi Does anyone have a method of getting google earth to work i HAVE tried the stuff in AUR it fails completely the packages it complains about are all out of date and have so many deps that are also out of date it is like chasing your own tail up your own backside I have looked at the AUR wiki and found nothing of relevance to getting a working google earth We can't help you without any error messages. As I told you before, it works fine on my machine. The AUR package is fine. == John http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] tp_smapi - LENOVO g470
On Wed, 2012-01-18 at 12:13 -0300, Paulo Roberto P. Evangelista wrote: Same error [paulo@G470 tp_smapi]$ makepkg -sf snip root@G470 tp_smapi]# modprobe tp_smapi FATAL: Error inserting tp_smapi (/lib/modules/3.1.9-2-ARCH/extramodules/tp_smapi.ko.gz): No such device [root@G470 tp_smapi]# did you actually install (pacman -U) the rebuilt version? == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] [Non-Bulk] Re: Top Posting Revisited
On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 16:59 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote: On Fri, 2011-12-16 at 15:33 +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: [snip] If you ban someone they soon realise and could use a different email. [snip] +1 If somebody does something bad, friendly [off-list] explain this person that (s)he might should reconsider the style. If this person ignore your inquiry simply use a spam filter. So, after today, anybody who top-posts will get flooded with private emails pointing it out? Maybe that would work... == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] How do I uncomment a locale?
What is the difference between en_GB, en_US and en_AU ? Is the motd updated to tell you Good morning, Sir, Hi guy or Good day, mate? man 7 locale This affects stuff like spelling differences, dd/mm/ or mm/dd/ dates, 12 hour or 24 hour clocks. == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Vim with X
On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 22:58 +0100, Manolo Martínez wrote: On 11/15/11 at 11:57pm, Ray Rashif wrote: On 15 November 2011 22:00, Manolo Martínez man...@austrohungaro.com wrote: The policy had already been revised when the split was made to have vim and gvim. Vim had to become lightweight as many people were complaining about its bulk. Thanks for the explanation, Ray. I guess I should learn to make do without copying among X programs, as those people doubtlessly do. ctrl-ins, shift-ins, middle-click should all still work. At least they do for me, and I don't have gvim installed. Or do I have something else installed that makes them work? John == http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] A question about installing Arch
On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 00:33 +0200, Christian wrote: Hi all, Thanks a lot for your replies. I have the network installation CD of Arch here so then, what you are saying is that it should download the old packages and then I just upgrade the system with pacman after it has installed? Yes. Refer to http://www.archlinux.org/news/ and the forum if you run into any snags, but this should work fine. John == http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Can't install e4rat from AUR: pacman fails to install missing dependencies
error: target not found: audit == ERROR: 'pacman' failed to install missing dependencies. I performed a search with pacman -Ss, and audit seems not to be in the repos. Has anyone encountered this problem yet? It's in the AUR. pacman -Ss searches only the official repositories. John == http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Installation of libreoffice
On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 15:27 +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:10:53 +0800 schrieb Auguste Pop augu...@gmail.com: i thought there was a choosing phase before actually install a language pack when upgrading. the default choice is alphabetically the first, which may caused the problem you just depicted. If you install libreoffice-common for the first time libreoffice-langpack is installed as a dependency and then you get the chooser, but not if you upgrade libreoffice with pacman -Syu. Are you sure? I just upgraded last night with pacman -Syu and got the language pack chooser. After pacman -S libreoffice-impress, I'm able to work on my slides fine. John == http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Something Broken with Perl!
I do have a few AUR packages on my system, but no breakages from anything other than ptal-init as reported. I had a breakage (with the same error message) with rxvt-unicode-chinese from the AUR, but it was resolved upon upgrading to the new version. I don't know if the fix was due to recompiling or the new version, however. == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] Anybody else have problems with the new Nvidia drivers (275.09.07-1)
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 17:09 -0500, Yaro Kasear wrote: On Friday, June 17, 2011 04:10:01 PM Richard Schütz wrote: The new driver really seems to have a major problem. I figured out that you just need an image with 2047px width to screw up the driver. ATTENTION: This can crash your X server and corrupt memory! Example: [1], an otherwise harmless picture. Every picture with the same width will work, too. I could trigger the bug at least with Firefox, Midori, Epiphany and EOG. It looks like some applications like Chromium alter the size, so they don't trigger it. [1] http://www.abload.de/img/nvbugy7cd.jpg Are we sure ths is a bug with the nVidia driver? Can someone load that image who isn't using it? Loads fine for me in firefox and midori, using intel driver. == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
[arch-general] pacman tries to install nvidia drivers?
Hello all, I don't have an nvidia graphics card: $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) Yet when I try to update (with -Syyu just to be sure), I get: $ sudo pacman -Syyu :: Synchronising package databases... core 37.9K 96.0K/s 00:00:00 [##] 100% extra 469.7K 855.7K/s 00:00:01 [##] 100% community 439.4K3.6M/s 00:00:00 [##] 100% multilib 25.0K 888.7K/s 00:00:00 [##] 100% :: Starting full system upgrade... resolving dependencies... warning: dependency cycle detected: warning: lib32-gcc-libs will be installed before its gcc-libs-multilib dependency looking for inter-conflicts... :: nvidia-utils and libgl are in conflict. Remove libgl? [y/N] y error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies) :: intel-dri: requires libgl=7.10.2 Why does pacman try to install nvidia-utils for me? I have intel-dri installed and my graphics work fine. I assume the dependency cycle is unrelated... Thanks, John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] pacman tries to install nvidia drivers?
Probably this bug https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/24608 Oh yes, it's exactly that. I removed luxrender (which I've ended up not using) and the update goes through fine. Thanks, John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] libre office java support
libreoffice depends on java-runtime, which is no real package. java-runtine is provided by the openjdk6 and jre package, so it does not matter which you use. I suspected as much when both packages seemed to work :-) but can we change the Libre Office packages to depend upon JRE instead ? Openjdk6 is missing a lot of functionality such as browser support, JRE would be a better choice.. As has been said before, they only depend on java-runtime. Install whatever java-runtime you like, and you're set. Libreoffice packages do not specifically rely on openjdk, only java-runtime. John == http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] eigen version
Check the status of your mirror http://www.archlinux.org/mirrors/status/ and switch to a good mirror and pacman -Syyu Well, eigen-2.0.15-1 does is the latest packaged version in [extra]. Are you sure you haven't installed eigen-3.0.0-1 from another source? pacman -Qi eigen gives what's bellow. I can't find a way to tell me the source of the package. try grep ^Server /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist | head -n 1 ;) As noted above, you just need to pick a more up-to-date mirror. == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemddo_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemd-arch-units-gitdo_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 They just didn't put -git on the end, but it is a git package JKP -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] wicd startup issues
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 13:50 -0500, Samuel Baldwin wrote: After a fresh install of wicd (I pacman -Sy'd yesterday), it won't seem to start; not really sure what to do here. Did you pacman -Sy or pacman -Syu? Probably has to do with the move to python3. John == John K Pate Student, PhD Informatics Informatics Forum 3.35 The University of Edinburgh http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] wicd startup issues
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 14:02 -0500, Samuel Baldwin wrote: Also, when I run `python3' and type 'import wicd' I still get the same error, so I'm sceptical of explaining it away as merely python3, unless I'm missing something. Try it with `python2'. `wicd' expects python2, and `python' now calls `python3'. == John K Pate Student, PhD Informatics Informatics Forum 3.35 The University of Edinburgh http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
Re: [arch-general] dualboot?
On Thu, 27 May 2010, Jeroen Op 't Eynde wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2010 18:48:38 +0200, Nilesh Govindarajan li...@itech7.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:12 PM, David Lowe da_legit_du...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm new to Arch Linux Linux in general, so please excuse any newbie questions... Can the Arch Linux install do a dualboot installation? I've read some documentation and it seems to be iffy on this point. Also, why are most Linux users and programmers so obsessed with Python? I'd much rather download Euphoria. http://www.rapideuphoria.com If it's a requirement that a Python runtime be on the system, then I'd rather not install at all. Python is an opensource language used by many applications. You may have to install it while installing some desktop environment. As for dual boot, any Linux can be dual booted. If you already have some other Linux, you just need to add the entry for the partiton which contains the Arch kernel into Grub. Maybe just compare the websites... obviously Python wins! :) -- Jeroen Op 't Eynde - jer...@xprsyrslf.be - http://xprsyrslf.be To read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Bottom-posting Steun Jeugdhuis de PUT via Donamail: http://www.donamail.be/default.asp?btnID=iYOviYvW At any rate, there's no reason not to install both euphoria and python. If you're planning on sticking with a distribution like Arch that requires you to `look under the hood', you should get used to working with a variety of programming languages. There's no single language which is perfect for every job. == John K Pate http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0930006/ -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
