Re: [arch-general] We need a maintained-by-TU chrome/chromium...
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009, Ionut Biru wrote: On 11/19/2009 07:00 AM, Christopher Daley wrote: Is there any chance of the -bin (precompiled) versions being hosted once an official release is made? I guess there's little reason for it as they're so easy to compile yourself, but it would simplify upgrading/maintenance for a number of users. I don't see google moving away from their custom build utilities any time soon, so unless someone forks chromium we're probably not going to get that a simplified build process. after they release a stable version we can manage to do a proper package for our users, but until then use chromium-browser-bin or chromium-browser-svn. -- Ionut I like Iron browser :) -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] No sound after hal update
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, A Rojas wrote: I just updated to hal 0.5.13-3 and after rebooting the soundcard is not accessible to non-root users anymore, so there is no sound. Any idea how to solve this? Thanks ALSA or OSS? If it is ALSA try to reconfigure it. That should work. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
On 26 Oct 2009 at 11:57, RedShift wrote: This thread will probably erupt in a massive flamewar, yet I decided to post my story anyway. I am talking about the desktop experience in general, not the technical details behind it. Keep that in mind. I've been working these past few months with KDE 4.3 and it feels very sluggish and incomplete. I can't enable the desktop effects because that makes things even slower. I'm doing this on a fairly decent setup, an AMD Sempron 2 Ghz with an nVidia FX5500. My laptop suffers from this sluggishness as well. On top of that, lots of things annoy me in KDE 4.3, see the end of this post for my top annoyances. Yesterday I had to reboot to my Windows XP installation on this computer and I was shocked when I arrived in XP's userland. Everything was ridiculously fast. When returning to my linux desktop everything felt even more sluggish. That's when I decided to go back to KDE 3.5. I restored my old KDE 3.5 profile, installed the necessary packages and logged back in. WOF, everything is fast again. Opening new windows is instantaneous, hell even bringing up context menus is faster. If Linux is that much better, why does the current Linux desktop (KDE 4.3) still suck compared to an operating system that's 8 years old? Last week I also had the chance to check out Windows 7, and I was stumped. I was genuinly impressed by Windows 7's GUI. It feels fast, works fluently, it has nice effects which just work and work FAST. When browsing around it felt like a very solid desktop environment. I am jealous. I really am. The thought of using Windows 7 in favor of KDE 4.3 has occured to me much more than I like. And it's little things like dragging the windows to the top of the screen makes them maximized, dragging them to the left makes the take exactly 50% of the screen. How many times have you been manually resizing windows to fit next to each other? I have, too many times. These are things that really improve your productivity. So when should we have started working at a better desktop environment for Linux? When Mac OS X came out. When was that again? 2001. Yes, it really was that long ago. It already had awesome desktop effects that just work on (compared to these days) VERY modest hardware. And it worked fast as well. It was and still is a solid desktop environment. From that point on the Linux community should have recognized the threat Mac OS X was for the desktop environment. Unfortunately nobody did and we went on creating a big mess, fighting over implementations and technical details instead of attempting to create a solid desktop environment. Yet we did have a second chance in 2007. Microsoft obviously screwed up with Windows Vista, we had the chance to win back alot of terrain here until the release of Windows 7. So what did we come up with? KDE 4. Yes, a big dissapointment. We still don't have something that's comparable. So basically, where are we at? KDE 3.5 is Windows XP KDE 4.3 is Windows Vista ??? is Windows 7 When are we getting to the Windows 7 stage? Microsoft didn't do a big advertising campaign for the launch of Windows 7, nevertheless they delivered a big slap in the face to the Linux desktop environments. The numbers speak for themselves, Windows 7 has already sold more copies in its first week than Windows Vista did in its first month. And with good riddance, Windows 7 really is better than Windows Vista. Microsoft recognized the problems with Windows Vista and dealt with them. And dealt with them swiftly if you ask me, doing it in less then 3 years. Conclusion We are losing ground. We are losing it fast. Our competitors recognize what the user wants and delivered. If we are comparing enterprise desktops, there's no going around Red Hat. The current Red Hat desktop (5.4) ships with KDE 3.5, while its succesor RHEL 6 will be, if looking what Fedora brings now, shipped with KDE 4.2 or 4.3. That means KDE 4.2/4.3 will be the main desktop for enterprises for at least the next 3 years. A disgrace if you ask me. Users will be comparing desktop environments and they will find Windows 7 or Mac OS X to be better. After the damage RHEL 6 will have done to the reputation of the Linux desktop, it will take again as many years to rectify the damage done. Granted if we will have a solid desktop environment comparable to Windows 7 by the time RHEL 7 gets released. Which I can't help but doubt. My top KDE 4.3 annoyances: * Slo. Logging in takes a multifold of times it did under KDE 3.5, repainting windows takes up a lot of time * The battery status applet is buggy, it only shows the actual percentage after you've hovered it with the mouse, even when you've set it to always display. The scale it uses is also difficult to interpret. These bugs have been reported a long time ago and are still not fixed. * The run dialog is
Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
On 26 Oct 2009 at 12:46, Rafa Griman wrote: My guess is that there's something wrongly configured or installed in your KDE 4 installation. Check this: - deactivate nepomuk and Akonadi - delete /tmp/k* /var/tmp/k* - delete your .kde4 and .kde and .local dirs (you can also choose creating a new account and see if it's faster) What's the way of deactivating nepomuk and Akonadi? -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
On 26 Oct 2009 at 14:55, Lars Tennstedt wrote: Hi, I suggest the opposite in the facts of speed. My work's computer runs with Windows XP and the hardware is faster than mine at home. But Windows XP often stands still without a reason and takes ages to do something. KDE 4.3 on my Arch Linux installation runs very well and fast. I guess that it depends on the hardware you use. Not to mention viruses and other shit... -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] [SOLVED] php not working - Was: Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009, David C. Rankin wrote: On Wednesday 07 October 2009 12:54:22 pm joz...@gmx.com wrote: Usually I don't have too much time for pulling my hear or for anything else that's why I like when things just works. Even if I need to fix things it's OK but sometimes I can't fix them just like that for few minutes. I read the news, I went to #archlinux, I sent a message here in the list but still nothing. Then I search the forum and tried different things until once it start working again. Few days I didn't touch anything at all. Really didn't have time. I still can't try any other OS here because I spent too much time setting this Arch up and configuring. It's my baby :)) It looks and works beautiful. Except after Syu; but not always. Most of the time things just work... Can't just say goodbye to Arch so easily. But if once it will happen that I really can't fix something, that will be the moment... I guess. Anyway, I'll try to buy another PC and install something else... Remember it well. I was just like that with the first Mandrake server I set up for my office a decade ago. Then you learn that Linux is fairly indestructible and that no matter what config changes happen along the way, a bit of reading of the latest release notes and a bit of tweaking and anything can be brought back to life. As for looking at another OS, it's great to experiment, but I'd be willing to wager that you find your way back to Arch. By far the most current, responsive and cleanest I've found. (I've tried a lot) Updates are going to causes changes in configs, etc. occasionally, that's just progress. One thing that really helps if you are using your linux box in a critical role is to setup another 'testing' box to test updates on and confirm all is well before updating the box you rely on. That will virtually eliminate any downtime. With P4 3.0GHz boxes being excessed for as little as $60 it's cheap insurance. Yeah, learned the same. I takes some time in the beginning to get familiar with things in Linux, like how everything works and all other things. And by that time I actually destroyed my system many times :) Especailly when I start trying out bash commands as root haha That was really long time ago. Those were the beginnings... Yes I tried many Linux distributions and only with Arch I'm satisfied. Actually I didn't try all distros of course, because they are many. But I read about them. One by one. Talk to other people using them. Asked them different questions and many distros I tried but when I found out about Arch I felt I'm at home :) In the same time I found out about PC-BSD but somehow it happened I installed Arch first, to try it. Right now I'm typing you this message from the same Arch installation :) So I never tried anything else since that time. I'm still curious about BSD because never try it before. I used OS X on G5 for 2 years in the office but OS X is different than BSD right? Must to buy another PC or laptop for testing. P4 3.0GHz? My current PC is like 3 years old and it's P4 3.2GHz HT :) Still using integrated graphic on motherboard and I'm happy :)) -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] [SOLVED] php not working - Was: Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
On 7 Oct 2009 at 2:28, David C. Rankin wrote: On Monday 05 October 2009 06:26:52 am Allan McRae wrote: Did you read the news about php on the front page of the website? Oh, you mean that one, the one you have to scroll way down (one or two mouse scrolls) to find... (ducking. ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com I read it while it was still on top, don't worry. But as I said things went wrong even after next Syu... Everything works fine now. So that's OK. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
On 5 Oct 2009 at 15:13, Sergej Pupykin wrote: Hi, I have start Web_application_package_guidelines. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Web_application_package_guidelines I suggest to discuss and improve our web packaging standard. PS. to avoid discussion about webapps useless. There are (at least) - phpmyadmin - phpldapadmin - phppgadmin which have no need in multiple instances on different virtual hosts and useful even on localhost. Last night after I did yaourt -Syu my php stopped working and this time I din't see any news about things I should fix to get it working again. Already thinking about switching to some other OS. It's became annoying already to always fix something after -Syu. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] php not working - Was: Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
On 5 Oct 2009 at 15:46, Sergej Pupykin wrote: This is your karma or badly synced mirror. :) On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: Yes i read that and I did that changes last time I did -Syu and apache and PHP start working again. But last night it didn't happen. I just didn't try to do anything regarding: *module path is now /usr/lib/php/modules Will try that tonight. If it won't work I'll feel free :) Just sad I spent so much time for configuring and setting up such a nice OS and now I have to leave it. Eh! That's life. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org I had a problem with badly synced mirror. That's true. Then I change mirrors and start over. I got PHP again, what was strange since I already got PHP with that badly synced mirror. But the problem was with OpenOffice not with PHP. And nothing helped for getting Ooo from new mirror again. I just remove it and did -Syu without Ooo Just don't understand why did I get PHP again from new mirror since I already had PHP downloaded. The same version :) Maybe karma :)) Karma or not, I need a good, stable and working OS. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] php not working - Was: Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
On 5 Oct 2009 at 14:18, David Houston wrote: I like that it is bleeding edge but still it's not testing version. What is the function of Arch distro? For fun? Your kidding right? KISS I think that Arch functions really well at being bleeding edge and stable.. further more your using aur. Not that there is anything wrong with that but things break from time to time, I would of put this down for a reason to distro hop. Will google for Rock Stable Arch. Thanks. http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Enhancing_Arch_Linux_Stability Was thiking about PC-BSD. Thats a toy! Yes Arch functions great! But why I need always to fix something after Syu? It's just annoying. Really. As I said once before, I'm not a programmer or linux developer. I just need an OS which is working and it's stable. Nice, good. What I want to say is: Arch is bleading edge but there is a testing version as well right? So if I run testing version I can expect things not working, goes wrong and so on. Of course, with regular release I can expect the same, but not after each Syu, right? I'm using AUR and never had an issue with apps from AUR. Thanks for that link. Very useful. I got an idea to remove PHP completelly and to start over. Maybe it would work that way. I don't know. But I really had an issue with badly synced mirror. So, each time before Syu I need to update my mirrorlist as well :P What's wrong with PC-BSD? It's based on FreeBSD which is very good OS in my opinion. NetBSD is also great, but for servers. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
Re: [arch-general] php not working - Was: Web_application_package_guidelines wiki page
LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so Include conf/extra/php5_module.conf After adding these two lines in httpd.conf everything works fine again. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] kde4 themes and trick your kids (and maybe you) will enjoy
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, Just a note. Most of you are probably a bit younger than I am, but for those with kids who have reached computing age (3+), there are a few kde4 themes and tricks they may really enjoy. The kde4 themes are: Ghost Carbon Neon Glow by FRUiT A thin theme for the adults is seamless (just grab the clock from 'Stripeshine' and it really looks cool - see links below) The Desktop Effects that my kids enjoy are: Explosion (or Fall Apart) Magic Lamp explosion and fall apart make the windows shatter into pieces when they are closed and magic lamp makes the windows look like they are being sucked into a magic lamp when they are minimized. A few links that I found helpful for tweaking themes: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Theme http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/Theme That's my informational post for the day :p www.rankinlawfirm.com Nice to hear your kids using/enjoying Arch :) And thanks for infos. My daughter is still too young. She is only 8 months. But already has her own keyboard and mouse :)) Arch will come later. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: Which plugins in particular are you talking about? Can we get an ls -l ~/.vim/plugin ? To move .vimrc away? but all my settings are in .vimrc :) how do you imagine anything to work without .vimrc? I don't have vi and gvim anymore. only vim and .vimrc Dude, it is just for testing purpose ... Aye, it's for the purpose of testing. My suspicion is that something in your ~/.vimrc is causing this problem, as it works fine for everyone else. total 348 -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 40775 2009-07-02 20:46 calendar.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 15940 2006-10-30 21:23 cecutil.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 62195 2006-10-31 00:17 engspchk.vim -rwxr--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 30714 2008-01-25 10:04 matchit.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 147930 2007-09-21 18:11 taglist.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1583 2009-06-25 13:49 templates.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 36771 2009-07-02 21:11 vimcommander.vim and my .vimrc is important as well: http://dpaste.com/97063/ Is that ~/.vim/ or ~/.vim/plugins ? Note that it's plugin, singular, for the vim plugins dir. I know, it annoys me too :) I tried to remove .vimrc and the plugins still don't work. The colors became different than when I use my original .vimrc Which .vimrc is in use right now? That nobody can knows anymore :) So many runtimepaths and directories... ls -l ~/.vim/plugin total 348 -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 40775 2009-07-02 20:46 calendar.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 15940 2006-10-30 21:23 cecutil.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 62195 2006-10-31 00:17 engspchk.vim -rwxr--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 30714 2008-01-25 10:04 matchit.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 147930 2007-09-21 18:11 taglist.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1583 2009-06-25 13:49 templates.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 36771 2009-07-02 21:11 vimcommander.vim ls -l ~/.vim/ total 2032 drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk4096 2009-07-15 21:25 CVIMSYN drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk4096 2009-07-15 21:25 doc -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 2048000 2009-07-15 21:24 engspchk.tar drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk4096 2009-07-15 21:25 plugin -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 74 2009-06-17 22:12 skeleton.css -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 445 2009-06-17 21:57 skeleton.html -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk1300 2009-06-17 21:56 skeleton.php drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk4096 2009-07-13 19:08 templates It doesn't works fine for everyone else. Somebody already mentioned that he has the same issue and I didn't change anything with my .vimrc or with any other file or directory or plugin. All I did was pacman -R vim vi gvim And after that pacman -S vim Nothing else. I already paste my .vimrc in last message so if you think something is wrong with it, please let me know :) -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Xavier shinin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: Which plugins in particular are you talking about? Can we get an ls -l ~/.vim/plugin ? To move .vimrc away? but all my settings are in .vimrc :) how do you imagine anything to work without .vimrc? I don't have vi and gvim anymore. only vim and .vimrc Dude, it is just for testing purpose ... Aye, it's for the purpose of testing. My suspicion is that something in your ~/.vimrc is causing this problem, as it works fine for everyone else. total 348 -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 40775 2009-07-02 20:46 calendar.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 15940 2006-10-30 21:23 cecutil.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 62195 2006-10-31 00:17 engspchk.vim -rwxr--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 30714 2008-01-25 10:04 matchit.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 147930 2007-09-21 18:11 taglist.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1583 2009-06-25 13:49 templates.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 36771 2009-07-02 21:11 vimcommander.vim and my .vimrc is important as well: http://dpaste.com/97063/ Is that ~/.vim/ or ~/.vim/plugins ? Note that it's plugin, singular, for the vim plugins dir. I know, it annoys me too :) I tried to remove .vimrc and the plugins still don't work. The colors became different than when I use my original .vimrc Which .vimrc is in use right now? That nobody can knows anymore :) So many runtimepaths and directories... ls -l ~/.vim/plugin total 348 -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 40775 2009-07-02 20:46 calendar.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 15940 2006-10-30 21:23 cecutil.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 62195 2006-10-31 00:17 engspchk.vim -rwxr--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 30714 2008-01-25 10:04 matchit.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 147930 2007-09-21 18:11 taglist.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1583 2009-06-25 13:49 templates.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 36771 2009-07-02 21:11 vimcommander.vim ls -l ~/.vim/ total 2032 drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk 4096 2009-07-15 21:25 CVIMSYN drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk 4096 2009-07-15 21:25 doc -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 2048000 2009-07-15 21:24 engspchk.tar drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk 4096 2009-07-15 21:25 plugin -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 74 2009-06-17 22:12 skeleton.css -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 445 2009-06-17 21:57 skeleton.html -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1300 2009-06-17 21:56 skeleton.php drwxr-xr-x 2 jozefk jozefk 4096 2009-07-13 19:08 templates It doesn't works fine for everyone else. Somebody already mentioned that he has the same issue and I didn't change anything with my .vimrc or with any other file or directory or plugin. All I did was pacman -R vim vi gvim And after that pacman -S vim Nothing else. I already paste my .vimrc in last message so if you think something is wrong with it, please let me know :) Here's a question for you... are you using vi or vim? I'm using vim all the time. Never vi. Even gvim I didn't use. I just install it to see how it's looks like and how it's works. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Johannes Held wrote: Jozsef joz...@gmx.com: I'm using vim all the time. Never vi. Little bit more in detail. How do you start vim? $ vim or $ vi -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. Mast und Schotbruch mit dem http://segelsport-blog.de. Always start it with $ vim I never try to run vi before in my life :) Just now, after this issue happned I tried to run $ vi but it didn't work because I already removed vi with pacman. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
Re: [arch-general] Fwd: Re: vim 7.2.245-1
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: - Original Message - From: Aaron Griffin Sent: 09/22/09 07:10 pm To: General Discusson about Arch Linux Subject: Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1 On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Jozsef wrote: I never used runtimepath before and everything worked fine. You shouldn't have to. It is set by default by vim. In a running vim instance do :echo runtimepath And I don't have a after directory in /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/ at the moment. Is it something I should create by myself? It doesn't need to exist. And it's certainly useless if empty. Only create it if you need it. And all of that directories inside of /usr/share/vim/ are owned by root. It could be a reason why the plugins don't work if I copy them to vimfiles/plugins or vimfiles/after I'm not running vim as root, why should I do that? Owned by root does not mean that you can't READ the files. Vim doesn't need to do anything except read them, and it can. I guess I'm confused as to where you installed your plugins. It's typically best to install them in ~/.vim/ rather than system wide If the Vim 7.2.245-1 will work the same as my previous version, in case if I create that after directory and copy everything from ~/.vim into it, I would be happy to do it. In that case everything should work without setting runtimepath in ~/.vimrc But I'm not sure that's the case. Will try and let you know. I installed all my plugins in ~/.vim directory. But as I said earlier, non of my plugins worked with Vim 7.2.245-1 before I added set runtimepath... in ~/.vimrc That's why I tried first to copy my plugins in /usr/share/vim and /usr/share/vim/vimfiles and other places. But nothing helped. I didn't knew about after directory, that's why I haven't tried that yet. As I thought. If I remove runtimepath and copy everything from ~/.vim to /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/after Nothing is working. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Xavier wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: I never used runtimepath before and everything worked fine. You shouldn't have to. It is set by default by vim. In a running vim instance do :echo runtimepath To Jozsef : please remove your custom runtimepath from vimrc, and paste the output of the above command. You should keep your plugins in ~/.vim/ , and figure out why they are not found there. Here is the output: /home/jozefk/.vim,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles,/usr/share/vim/vim72/,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles/after,/home/jozefk/.vim/after And why the plugins don't work I can not tell you because I'm not moving them around. If I put runtimepath in .vimrc they work, if I remove it they don't work. So the problem is not with plugins and it's not with runtimepath. I don't know what else is different in this verison of vim. I'm not a programer and developer of vim. I'm just using it everyday. Even this email I'm typing in vim (without plugins since I comment out runtimepath :) -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Xavier wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Jozsef joz...@gmx.com wrote: I never used runtimepath before and everything worked fine. You shouldn't have to. It is set by default by vim. In a running vim instance do :echo runtimepath To Jozsef : please remove your custom runtimepath from vimrc, and paste the output of the above command. You should keep your plugins in ~/.vim/ , and figure out why they are not found there. Here is the output: /home/jozefk/.vim,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles,/usr/share/vim/vim72/,/usr/share/vim/vimfiles/after,/home/jozefk/.vim/after And why the plugins don't work I can not tell you because I'm not moving them around. If I put runtimepath in .vimrc they work, if I remove it they don't work. So the problem is not with plugins and it's not with runtimepath. I don't know what else is different in this verison of vim. I'm not a programer and developer of vim. I'm just using it everyday. Even this email I'm typing in vim (without plugins since I comment out runtimepath :) Um are you actually installing your plugins to ~/.vim/plugin? The runtime path above (the default) clearly includes the same directories that your manual runtimepath setting has... I don't know what you're doing, but you have some major config issues. Please mv your vimrc/gvimrc files away so that no extraneous config files are executed and try again. Which plugins in particular are you talking about? Can we get an ls -l ~/.vim/plugin ? To move .vimrc away? but all my settings are in .vimrc :) how do you imagine anything to work without .vimrc? I don't have vi and gvim anymore. only vim and .vimrc total 348 -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 40775 2009-07-02 20:46 calendar.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 15940 2006-10-30 21:23 cecutil.vim -rw--- 1 jozefk jozefk 62195 2006-10-31 00:17 engspchk.vim -rwxr--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 30714 2008-01-25 10:04 matchit.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 147930 2007-09-21 18:11 taglist.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 1583 2009-06-25 13:49 templates.vim -rw-r--r-- 1 jozefk jozefk 36771 2009-07-02 21:11 vimcommander.vim and my .vimrc is important as well: http://dpaste.com/97063/ -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
[arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
Hi. Before upgrading to vim 7.2.245-1 I removed vi, gvim and vim with pacman -R then I installed only vim 7.2.245-1 and I see my scripts and plugins for autocompition, buffers on top of window... are not working anymore. Anybody had some similar experience? Is there any fix for this or I need to start from begining and to search for scripts/plugins again and to install them from scratch? Thanks. PS: I can't imagine working without vim anymore. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Javier Ramos Hidalgo wrote: 2009/9/21 Jozsef joz...@gmx.com Hi. Before upgrading to vim 7.2.245-1 I removed vi, gvim and vim with pacman -R then I installed only vim 7.2.245-1 and I see my scripts and plugins for autocompition, buffers on top of window... are not working anymore. Anybody had some similar experience? Is there any fix for this or I need to start from begining and to search for scripts/plugins again and to install them from scratch? I have a similar problem. All the ~/.vim/plugins/ links are orphan. All points to vim-script somewhere in /usr but I haven't that path in my machine. Any idea? What package install that directory or something like that? Thanks There is a /usr/share/vim folder and inside of it /plugin, /vim72 and /vimfiles I tried to copy my files from ~/.vim to all of that places and nothing worked. Don't know what to try else. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Javier Ramos Hidalgo wrote: 2009/9/21 Jozsef joz...@gmx.com Hi. Before upgrading to vim 7.2.245-1 I removed vi, gvim and vim with pacman -R then I installed only vim 7.2.245-1 and I see my scripts and plugins for autocompition, buffers on top of window... are not working anymore. Anybody had some similar experience? Is there any fix for this or I need to start from begining and to search for scripts/plugins again and to install them from scratch? I have a similar problem. All the ~/.vim/plugins/ links are orphan. All points to vim-script somewhere in /usr but I haven't that path in my machine. Any idea? What package install that directory or something like that? Thanks There is a /usr/share/vim folder and inside of it /plugin, /vim72 and /vimfiles I tried to copy my files from ~/.vim to all of that places and nothing worked. Don't know what to try else. This is working: set runtimepath=~/.vim,/usr/share/vim,/usr/share/vim/vim72 Add that line to your ~./vimrc Will work until next update I guess. After that we will see what we will do. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Javier Ramos Hidalgo wrote: 2009/9/21 Jozsef joz...@gmx.com Hi. Before upgrading to vim 7.2.245-1 I removed vi, gvim and vim with pacman -R then I installed only vim 7.2.245-1 and I see my scripts and plugins for autocompition, buffers on top of window... are not working anymore. Anybody had some similar experience? Is there any fix for this or I need to start from begining and to search for scripts/plugins again and to install them from scratch? I have a similar problem. All the ~/.vim/plugins/ links are orphan. All points to vim-script somewhere in /usr but I haven't that path in my machine. Any idea? What package install that directory or something like that? Thanks There is a /usr/share/vim folder and inside of it /plugin, /vim72 and /vimfiles I tried to copy my files from ~/.vim to all of that places and nothing worked. Don't know what to try else. This is working: set runtimepath=~/.vim,/usr/share/vim,/usr/share/vim/vim72 Add that line to your ~./vimrc Will work until next update I guess. After that we will see what we will do. Getting this message after exit from Vim: mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/share/vim/doc': Permission denied It's just annoying. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Tobias Kieslich wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: Hrrm, I don't know if we should be using the 'after' dir for default plugins installed by pacman. It seem like these actually belong in /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/plugin/. The after directory has a special purpose, and none of the plugins I can think of seem to fit that purpose. At least, it doesn't seem valid to use the after dir as a general rule. That might actually be the case, that we put them into plugin instead of after. And AFAIR that works out of the box as well. -T I never used runtimepath before and everything worked fine. And I don't have a after directory in /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/ at the moment. Is it something I should create by myself? At least I'm happy my vim is working the same as before. Hope there will be always some kind of workaround for this issue. Or at least some tutorial/manual how to fix things once and for always. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] vim 7.2.245-1
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Tobias Kieslich wrote: On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Aaron Griffin wrote: Hrrm, I don't know if we should be using the 'after' dir for default plugins installed by pacman. It seem like these actually belong in /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/plugin/. The after directory has a special purpose, and none of the plugins I can think of seem to fit that purpose. At least, it doesn't seem valid to use the after dir as a general rule. That might actually be the case, that we put them into plugin instead of after. And AFAIR that works out of the box as well. -T I never used runtimepath before and everything worked fine. And I don't have a after directory in /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/ at the moment. Is it something I should create by myself? At least I'm happy my vim is working the same as before. Hope there will be always some kind of workaround for this issue. Or at least some tutorial/manual how to fix things once and for always. And all of that directories inside of /usr/share/vim/ are owned by root. It could be a reason why the plugins don't work if I copy them to vimfiles/plugins or vimfiles/after I'm not running vim as root, why should I do that? -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] New user
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Sergi Pasoev wrote: Hello! I am new here and new to Arch Linux too I have been using Debian GNU/Linux before. I am posting this mail just for saying hello! Hello Sergi and welcome to Arch world :) I used SuSE for couple of years, then Debian a few months after that and up to date I'm on Arch and will never look for any other distro in Linux world. Have a nice time with Arch Linux! -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] Stuff in /etc/cron.d/ won't work?
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: On 26.08.2009 05:37, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: On 26.08.2009 05:10, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haases...@lutzhaase.com wrote: On 25.08.2009 22:21, Nicolas Bigaouette wrote: Would your script needs a shebang? 2009/8/25 Sven-Hendrik Haase s...@lutzhaase.com On 25.08.2009 12:51, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: the crond log tells me that cron actually runs this command every minute without a problem i think you mis-read your log. and it should tell you that cron is looking for changes in /etc/cron.d every minute. may be, if you change you first * * * in your lol then may be it will work. assuming you're using the good cron. because fcron does not support /etc/cron.d but there is other ways to achieve the same thing. check crond man page or its documentation I'm using dcron and also I didn't misread. Also, dcron doesn't look for changes in said directory without restarting from what I have found out. It actually tells me what it is going to execute and that is my /etc/cron.d/lol file. It would report and error otherwise. The thing that strikes me is that the command doesn't actually do anything. echo is a shell built-in of sh, bash, any shell really so env vars shouldn't be an issue. Any ideas? No, stuff in /etc/cron.d/ looks just like stuff in your crontab and gets executed by the shell mentioned in $SHELL. Still, it wouldn't matter because I'm using a built-in here. I'm really baffled by this. For the record, I've always had issues with this myself. I remedied it by simply putting things in root's crontab, but that's not a proper solution. If you can figure out how to get /etc/cron.d/ working as it should, I will love you forever From web searches, it appears that dcron's support for /etc/cron.d is somewhat wacky and not guaranteed to work. I think having a look at bcron might be worth it. Find it here: http://untroubled.org/bcron/ and find the AUR package here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=6841. A somewhat old assessment of available cron daemons by bcron's author can be found here: http://untroubled.org/bcron/old/bcron_1.html. Out of interest, I just looked up what other distros use for their cron system and surprise! Ubuntu and Debian both use bcron and /etc/cron.d works alright. I shall hereby request changing Arch's default cron daemon to bcron in order to fix the /etc/cron.d issues, to make Arch seem more modern and to make Aaron love me forever (whatever it is that will subsequently happen from that). I'd like to bring this up again. Changing the cron daemon to a more modern one seems like a good idea to me. What is the more modern one? -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
[arch-general] LDIF to abook
I have my contacts from Thunderbird in .ldif format and my abook doesn't want to import from that file. Same with .csv This is the message I'm getting: Error occured while opening the file Any idea? I had some names written in cyrilic but I edited them with vim to latin and still no difference. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] LDIF to abook
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: I have my contacts from Thunderbird in .ldif format and my abook doesn't want to import from that file. Same with .csv This is the message I'm getting: Error occured while opening the file Any idea? I had some names written in cyrilic but I edited them with vim to latin and still no difference. Just now I notice that I can't even export contacts from abook. Getting almost the same message: Error occured while exporting Is this something to do with permissions? -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] LDIF to abook
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: On Sat, 05 Sep 2009, Jozsef wrote: I have my contacts from Thunderbird in .ldif format and my abook doesn't want to import from that file. Same with .csv This is the message I'm getting: Error occured while opening the file Any idea? I had some names written in cyrilic but I edited them with vim to latin and still no difference. Just now I notice that I can't even export contacts from abook. Getting almost the same message: Error occured while exporting Is this something to do with permissions? I changed the permissions of ~/.abook/addressbook to a+rwx and still getting the same message. Very strange. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap went crazy
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009, Patrick Brisbin wrote: On 09/03/09 at 05:56pm, Jozsef wrote: Everything worked fine until I changed the .offlineimaprc to fetch mails from multiple accounts. Here is my .offlineimaprc : http://pastie.org/private/mlskz0tkpf6jgytj9d5q I use offlineimap with multiple accounts and it's working fine here. my offlineimaprc is a bit simpler than yours though[1], you're welcome to take/adjust it and see if there are any improvements. Supporting mutt and msmtp configs are in the same directory. [1] http://pbrisbin.com:8080/dotfiles/offlineimaprc -- patrick brisbin Thanks for reply Patrick! But I can't open your link. Even last time you post your script for checking if offlineimap is running with cron. I was not able to open it :( Could you, please, post them all somewhere else? I think you were right about buggy built-in interval-resync functionality. I even think that is why it's crashing. Now I'm trying with crontab but I can't see how it works except if I keep receiving emails in my inbox. And what was that script you have for checking if offlineimap is running? How can I use it? Where to place it and how to run it? Hope it's not too many questions :) Thanks. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] offlineimap went crazy
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009, Patrick Brisbin wrote: On 09/03/09 at 05:34pm, Xavier wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Patrick Brisbinpbris...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/03/09 at 07:17pm, Jozsef wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009, Patrick Brisbin wrote: Could you, please, post them all somewhere else? http://pastie.org/604452 I see only your .offlineimaprc in pastie. Am I missing something or you forgot to paste your script? don't know what to tell you, it's all there. promise. are we on the same internet? ahah. apparently not :) btw the http://pbrisbin.com:8080/dotfiles/offlineimaprc link works perfectly here, but the problem with pastie looks like a bigger one :) Thank you for checking, I sent a few 'does this link work for you' IMs immediately after that first message. Jozsef, Maybe you're confused because pastie lets you paste multiple things into one paste by separating them with '## Some Heading'? I've checked the link 3 times, offlineimaprc, mailrun, and cron... are the three headings I used in that paste, and it looks fine from here. -- patrick brisbin I tried to send this message from Thunderbird but it didn't go through. Maybe because of HTML: OK I see the rest of the pastie files. Thanks. Will try that. pbrisbin.com still not working here. I'm in Dubai, UAE :) Cron is running offlineimap but I'm not getting the message. I opened Thunderbird and I see I have some mails but didn't get them in Mutt. Need to try different things. Also, I run pacman -Syu in the meantime :) Changed .offlineimaprc a couple of times on the fly :)) But I guess everything will work fine after restart haha If not I'll go crazy together with my Offlineimap. Now I changed my .offlineimaprc and made it more simple. Something alike Patrick's. Seems it's wokring now. Finally. Made the script as well and add it to cron. Will try to see how it's work. Thanks for all replies! Will let you know if there is something wrong. -- Best, Jozsef Kurucity | Web Graphic Designer +971 50 6783113 | joz...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
What's the problem changing back the permitions? Best, Jozsef -- Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters. Revelation 14:7 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Will Siddall will.sidd...@gmail.comwrote: Roman, I did try the tar method with the same results. The only method I could see working would be the dd, but even looking at the mounted iso afterwards, permissions were not set. I should be seeing at least ownership by my username, or 'user #1000' but after copying (and yes, with 'cp -a') it still returns root. Will On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Roman Kyrylychroman.kyryl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:20, Will Siddallwill.sidd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, After several attempts, I'm still back to trying to resolve this. To explain in more detail, I had a 100G hd with a root partition (with my Arch Install), a data partition and a swap. I managed to run dd on both partitions and in the new hd (200G) apply both. But that only worked partially due to the fact that it copied the ratios of file sizes rather than the actual file size... Copying 80G of data from a 30G partition doesn't quite sit well with me. Next step was to mount the iso images and copy the files. That's what I was in the process of doing of my last message and it worked... until I went to restart and update. What I found that was that my permissions and ownership info was not kept. Because of this, as soon as I went to update anything, the installers would run, but just delete the files (it deleted pacman and yaourt so I had to find a way to compile pacman to install again... until it tried to update all of my bin tools... then everything was gone). Now following all of your suggestions, I tried rsync -arpol and a variety of different other settings but it still doesn't keep the permissions. I tried running tar on the partition, still not working. Does anyone have any other suggestions or know why I'm having this problem? I'm going to try to wipe out the new hard drive and run dd on the whole 100g disk and reapply it to the 200G disk. And by the way, I'm running a ubuntu livecd to run these processes. Did you try the tar method? Also, when you copy files, did you use cp -a? You can also try partimage which makes copies of partitions. Doing full byte-to-byte copy of HDD and then doing partition/fs resize or creating an additional partition in empty space is my preferred method. -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
Re: [arch-general] sound busted after upgrade to kernel 2.6.30?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de wrote: Am Donnerstag 25 Juni 2009 schrieb Jozsef: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de wrote: Am Donnerstag 25 Juni 2009 schrieb Jozsef: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Chris Brannon cmbran...@cox.net wrote: My sound was busted yesterday when I upgraded from kernel 2.6.29 to 2.6.30. I had to regenerate my asound.state. At first, I thought it was just my problem, because I use the softvol plugin. This gave me trouble in the past. A friend of mine reported the same experience, so someone else had audio problems on upgrade as well. What happened to ALSA? Did anyone else have the same trouble? Regards, -- Chris alsa works fine here Alsa tends to break for some people with every major release, so manual fixing is needed. Alsa never worked perfectly and will not in the future, that is what i can tell ya from the past 5 years. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org what is your suggestion instead of ALSA? There is no sugesstion, there is no sound framework working for all. That's only my observation that sound is always broken for someone. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tp...@archlinux.org that's not just about sound. something is always broken for someone. but the reasons are different.
Re: [arch-general] Stolen Logo
what a strange people they are. first they steal the logo, then thay said it was made by themself and now it's dissapeard from their website. wow :) Best, Jozsef -- Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters. Revelation 14:7 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Matthew pyt...@pyther.net wrote: Alessandro Doro wrote: j: http://www.archlinux.org/feeds/news/ Well it looks as if the logo disappeared from their website. http://www.aceitutoring.com.au
