[arch-general] Reboot hangs after Detaching DM Devices
Hi, I installed Arch using latest ISO on ThinkPad W700. I've worked in text mode only, not installed X11 yet. Everything seems to work well so far. The only issue I noticed is when I reboot, the procedure hangs just after displaying line with the message: Detaching DM Devices I tried quick investigation using commands like: sytstemd-analyze sytstemd-analyze blame But, nothing obvious come up. I've seen similar problem was reported to OpenSUSE, Fedora, long time ago, but the reports are not very helpful (I use much newer kernel). Could anyone suggest what else I can do to investigate the problem and find what's a troublemaker here? p.s. No idea why, but my posts seem to be held for moderation, I hope this one will make it through. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd
On 14 August 2012 16:05, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote: Lennart Poettering by his own submission stated that he wanted udev as part of systemd and that he doesn't care about any other init system that would use udev. As with Lennart it seems as it's my way or the highway...which indeed is the problem. Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than about anything else. Why is it like that? Because the whole subject has been accumulating emotions for months. Check this year-old review by Juliusz Chroboczek [1] followed by Lennart's response [2] and bumped and summarised by (e.g. [3]) [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/453004/ [2] http://lwn.net/Articles/453016/ [3] http://lwn.net/Articles/452865/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
On 23 July 2012 11:35, 1126 mailingli...@elfsechsundzwanzig.de wrote: Okay, time to drop my 0.02¢ as well. And I'm pretty sure everything said here in this mail has been said elsewhere as well, but hey... ;) [...] the features that ArchLinux really make the best linux distro out there imho: [...] Good points indeed. BTW, I've read the thread, I've reconsidered it my own opinions and I've come to the conclusion that I have no reason to not to trust that Arch developers won't keep their actions aligned with The Arch Way. As long as the The Arch Way won't wiggle too much or too often, I'm cool. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
On 22 July 2012 06:26, kingfis...@almus.net wrote: [...] But developpers must know better than users what is the best for the distro. Killing /etc/rc.conf ? Why not. But for me, it is more KISS oriented than /etc/locale.conf, /etc/vconsole.conf, /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf files. That's exactly my thoughts ... Same here too. I hope it's false alarm though! *BSD will be next, if rc.conf been deprecated. If the rc.conf goes and if there is pacman incorporated to Slackware, I'll likely switch (back) to Slackware. Thanks to Gour, I've just learned about Frugalware which is sort of Slackware with pacman. Anyway, I cross my fingers tight for the great minds to keep rc.conf. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.
On 22 Jul 2012 20:53, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: I wonder why everyone thinks that Archlinux is about a single config file... It is the same myth as Arch is faster than distro XYZ or the simple BSD init. No myth it is! Arch's simple init system is heavily inspired by the *BSD way of incorporating calls from a single file (rc.conf) rather than the SysVinit directory structure containing dozens of symlinks for each runlevel. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux -- Mateusz Loskot (Sent from phone, apology for any top-posting or broken quoting)
Re: [arch-general] How to install AfterShot Pro for 64-bit from deb?
On 12 July 2012 21:42, rafael ff1 rafael.f...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/7/12 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net:
I have been trying to install the AfterShot Pro from AUR packages,
full story is here [1]. It uses RPM-packaged i386 binaries.
Because I run Arch 64-bit, I'd prefer to install 64-bit binaries,
but those are available as Linux Debian (64-bit) deb package [2]
I've been trying to find out how to install .deb package on Arch,
but all recipes I found are out of date now.
Could anyone explain me how to install AfterShot from the deb package?
[1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2012-July/019551.html
[2] http://apps.corel.com/lp/aftershot/download/index.html
$ar xf package.deb
$tar xf data.tar.gz
and you will have all files inside ${srcdir}/usr
Thanks Rafael.
Meanwhile, I managed to install the AUR package with help from
aur-general folks.
Then, I have learned the 64-bit package actually provides i386
binaries (comments [2]).
Long story short, if anyone interested, AfterShot Pro installed from
the AUR package [2]
is recommended way.
[1] http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/aur-general/2012-July/019553.html
[2] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=55712
Best regards,
--
Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)
On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Tom, All, I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: (72/72) checking for file conflicts [###] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) util-linux: /bin/login exists in filesystem [...] Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036p=18467 where filesystem upgrade is suggested: pacman -Syuf But, I'd wait until someone confirms it is the right way to go. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?
On 9 July 2012 17:06, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036p=18467 Why do we have different forum systems with different login requirements for different Arch issues? No idea. I don't like it either. Is there some logic that tells us which issues should go to the regular forum and which go to the ARM forum? I can't see any logic. I don't like the fragmentation. It's counter-effective and has nothing to do with freedom :) Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?
On 9 July 2012 17:16, Daniel Wallace daniel.wall...@gatech.edu wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:06:55AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036p=18467 Why do we have different forum systems with different login requirements for different Arch issues? Seem like KISS would dictate - 1 system and 1 login for all forum issues... Is there some logic that tells us which issues should go to the regular forum and which go to the ARM forum? Because Archlinuxarm is unsupported by Archlinux. it is a seperate project. The same reason archbang, chakra, bridgelinux, and archlinux-ppc are seperate as well. These are the bits I've been missing, thanks for clarification. p.s. I agree the official logo makes the ArchLinux ARM status confusing. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)
On 9 July 2012 17:17, Daniel Wallace daniel.wall...@gatech.edu wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 05:13:47PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace daniel.wall...@gatech.edu wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Tom, All, I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: (72/72) checking for file conflicts [###] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) util-linux: /bin/login exists in filesystem [...] Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036p=18467 where filesystem upgrade is suggested: pacman -Syuf But, I'd wait until someone confirms it is the right way to go. never -Syuf never -Suf never force an upgrade In this particular case, what about: pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem pacman -S filesystem --force what is advised on the ArchLinux ARM forum too. (Disclaimer: I'm newbie here.) that is different. you aren't forcing the update. Understood. I have not used archlinuxarm. I have not used it either. You could always go ask in #archlinux-arm on freenode No, because I'm asking about ArchLinux and its pacman. I'm not interested in ArchLinux ARM. Best regards. -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)
On 9 July 2012 17:28, Ike Devolder ike.devol...@gmail.com wrote: Op maandag 9 juli 2012 17:13:47 schreef Mateusz Loskot: On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace daniel.wall...@gatech.edu wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: Tom, All, I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: (72/72) checking for file conflicts [###] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files) util-linux: /bin/login exists in filesystem [...] Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036p=18467 where filesystem upgrade is suggested: pacman -Syuf But, I'd wait until someone confirms it is the right way to go. never -Syuf never -Suf never force an upgrade In this particular case, what about: pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem pacman -S filesystem --force what is advised on the ArchLinux ARM forum too. (Disclaimer: I'm newbie here.) This is only valid concerning the update of the filesystem package from before 2012.6-2 to = 2012.6-2 as noted in the newsitem [1]. Never use force if it was not advised like this in a newsitem. [1]http://www.archlinux.org/news/filesystem-upgrade-manual-intervention- required-1/ Thanks Ike, that's really helpful bit. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Alternative to Shutter application
On 7 July 2012 20:24, Patrick Burroughs celticmad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: Hi, Does anyone know a screenshot taking and snipping application, similar to the Shutter (http://shutter-project.org/), but 'more suckless'. Scrot fits your list of feature requirements in 56KB. It's in extra. I have scrot configured [1] to print screen under i3wm, but I have completely missed the fact it has the nice --select option. That is what I'm looking for, thanks! [1] https://github.com/mloskot/archlinux-config/blob/master/home/mloskot/bin/mlscreenshot.sh Best regards -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Alternative to Shutter application
On 7 July 2012 20:25, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:18:50 +0100 Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: Do you know anything like that? Doesn't your desktop environment have one? Nope. I do not use DE. I use i3 window manager. Anyway, my problem solved with scrot. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Alternative to Shutter application
On 8 July 2012 02:51, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org wrote: [2012-07-07 21:25:14 +0200] Gour: Doesn't your desktop environment have one? Your X environment has one, in the package xorg-xwd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xwd I had no idea about Xwd. Thanks for pointing to another interesting tool. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Alternative to Shutter application
On 7 July 2012 20:26, D. Can Celasun dcela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: Does anyone know a screenshot taking and snipping application, similar to the Shutter (http://shutter-project.org/), but 'more suckless'. It is a tool that - takes a screenshot - allows to select area and crop - is implemented in C - without enormous list of dependencies - is simpler, without too many edit or sharing features. IOW, something similar to the Snipping Tool known from Windows Vitsa/7+. Do you know anything like that? I would strongly recommend Deepin Scrot. You can find a review of it here [1]. It's also available on the AUR [2]. [1] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/use-linux-deepin-screenshot-tool-deepin.html [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=55299 Despite I like Python and I do a lot of Python programming, Python-based software do not fit the concept of lightweight, lean and 'suckless' tools I like to use on my Linux :-) Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] Alternative to Shutter application
Hi, Does anyone know a screenshot taking and snipping application, similar to the Shutter (http://shutter-project.org/), but 'more suckless'. It is a tool that - takes a screenshot - allows to select area and crop - is implemented in C - without enormous list of dependencies - is simpler, without too many edit or sharing features. IOW, something similar to the Snipping Tool known from Windows Vitsa/7+. Do you know anything like that? Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] /etc/os-release: Suggestions for improvements
On 3 July 2012 09:28, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 03.07.2012 01:16, schrieb Karol Babioch: After reading the appropriate man page (see [2]), I think the parameter SUPPORT_URL is not appropriate. It is set to https://bbs.archlinux.org/;. Personally I have some sort of a problem with the fact that only the forums get mentioned as a source for support. Arch Linux is a community-supported OS, and the bbs is appropriate as a support URL. Arch Linux is a community-supported OS, and the mailing lists server is appropriate as a support URL. https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] [aur-general]WIKI/pacman -Sy
On 27 June 2012 14:56, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: But on most WIKI, when installing a new package is needed, I always find this command: *$pacman -S packagenam* As by definition WIKI will often adress to newbies, my thought was to replace whenever I find the above command by this following one: *$pacman -Sy packagenam* In that way, newbies will very quickly take the good and sain habit of running the *-y *option when installing a new package on their box. Any idea if it could be worthwile for the comuunity? Explicit pacman command as installation instruction given on the wiki has been deprecated: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Help:Style#Package_management_instructions to avoid errors such as pacman -Sy package or possibly never-ending discussions like the choice between pacman -S package and pacman -Syu package So, I believe it solves the dilemma. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] [aur-general]WIKI/pacman -Sy
On 27 June 2012 15:08, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: So let the WIKI with pacman -S and forgive me for my stupid idea. As mentioned in my reply, according to the Wiki guidelines, every pacman -S abc should be replaced with install abc where abc is linked to http://www.archlinux.org/packages/.../abc/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] xdg-open fails to open a url in a generic environment
On 16 June 2012 13:37, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: There has been a bug reported to freedesktop.org about problems in xdg-open: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45859 I can reproduce this bug on my Arch installation (updated daily). FYI, the problem has been identified and David Costa posted simple fix: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45859#c2 The eval parameter on line 659 is not quoted. The original line is: eval '$browser $1'$xdg_redirect_output; while it should be: eval '$browser $1'$xdg_redirect_output; Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Chromium's Langauge settings dialog not opening
On 19 June 2012 22:08, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 19 Jun 2012 21:05:48 Mateusz Loskot wrote: I'm having weird issue wiht Chromium on the current Arch. Regardless of WM used, Openbox or i3, I can observe it. 0. Fresh Chromium configuration (~/.config/chromium wiped out) 1. Load page with textarea, e.g. gist.github.com, pastebin.com 2. Right-click on textarea - select Spell-checker Options - Language Settings 3. No dialog opens Now, tick off Check the spelling of this field in right-click context menu - Spell-checker Options Then: 1. Load page with textarea, e.g. gist.github.com, pastebin.com 2. Right-click on textarea - select Spell-checker Options - Language Settings 3. Now Language Settings tab opens Has anyone noticed that? I followed all your steps. Works for me. Instead of dialog box, a new tab opens though. Probably you have a pop-up blocker enabled? (Just guessing) OK, good to know. Perhaps I messed something with configuration. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server
On 19 June 2012 14:49, Arno Gaboury arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com wrote: Please bear in mind I am not a tech pro, and even if I want to build the web server on my own coz tech is a hobby, I am looking for something not too difficult to deal with configuration, updates, and security. 1. Use what you are familiar with regarding your plans. 2. If you are not familiar with any particular OS regarding use cases you are aiming, then flip a coin with Debian on one side, and Cent OS on the other. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] Chromium's Langauge settings dialog not opening
Hi, I'm having weird issue wiht Chromium on the current Arch. Regardless of WM used, Openbox or i3, I can observe it. 0. Fresh Chromium configuration (~/.config/chromium wiped out) 1. Load page with textarea, e.g. gist.github.com, pastebin.com 2. Right-click on textarea - select Spell-checker Options - Language Settings 3. No dialog opens Now, tick off Check the spelling of this field in right-click context menu - Spell-checker Options Then: 1. Load page with textarea, e.g. gist.github.com, pastebin.com 2. Right-click on textarea - select Spell-checker Options - Language Settings 3. Now Language Settings tab opens Has anyone noticed that? Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] xdg-open fails to open a url in a generic environment
Hi, There has been a bug reported to freedesktop.org about problems in xdg-open: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45859 I can reproduce this bug on my Arch installation (updated daily). I think this bug report is related to that problem too: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/28011 I wonder if, is there any fix for that problem baked by Arch itself? BTW, perhaps Arch users could vote for the bug report in freedesktop.org so its priority is bumped up. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] [kernel/update] Found hardware: HDA-Intel: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
Hi, Every day, I run pacman -Syyu on my Arch x86-64 installed on ThinkPad T400. I did it today too and, without a single change in my configuration, I've noticed a new message on boot: Found hardware: HDA-Intel: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa) ... Hardware is initialized using a generic method It doesn't really bother me, but I wonder where the sudden change from? $ uname -a Linux dog 3.4.2-2-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 11 22:27:17 CEST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] [kernel/update] Found hardware: HDA-Intel: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
On 15 June 2012 19:49, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Am 15.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Mateusz Loskot: It doesn't really bother me, but I wonder where the sudden change from? Noticed this also. In my case two pieces of hardware get found and the status on the right column says failed. Haven't looked into it yet, but probably something else is expected as a return value. In my case, nothing fails. Here is screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/7375548454/ But everything works just as usual, even the state of the mixer is being restored, so this is not a major issue for me. Indeed, same here. I'm just curious. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] [kernel/update] Found hardware: HDA-Intel: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
On 15 June 2012 20:16, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Am 15.06.2012 21:12, schrieb Mateusz Loskot: In my case, nothing fails. You've backgrounded alsa. Could you try to start it in the foreground, and see if it still doesn't fail? I would be surprised, to be honest. No difference, doesn't fail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/7375588834/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] [kernel/update] Found hardware: HDA-Intel: Conexant CX20561 (Hermosa)
On 15 June 2012 20:19, Ray Kohler ataraxia...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 15 June 2012 19:49, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Am 15.06.2012 20:35, schrieb Mateusz Loskot: It doesn't really bother me, but I wonder where the sudden change from? Noticed this also. In my case two pieces of hardware get found and the status on the right column says failed. Haven't looked into it yet, but probably something else is expected as a return value. In my case, nothing fails. Here is screenshot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/7375548454/ But everything works just as usual, even the state of the mixer is being restored, so this is not a major issue for me. Indeed, same here. I'm just curious. If the driver of your sound hardware changes, then the stored state doesn't apply cleanly, and you will get such a message. I generally see it every time we move to a new kernel series (i.e., 3.3 - 3.4). I see. What I do is to check the mixer settings and fix them if needed, and then run alsactl store by hand so as to update the saved state immediately rather than waiting for it to happen at shutdown time. At that point it matches the new driver and you won't see this message again. Bingo! It does the trick, thanks Ray! Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 12 June 2012 23:04, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: On 06/12/12 01:40, Mateusz Loskot wrote: The site: trick [1] has worked for me quite well for long time: T400 site:http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/; Jeremiah's pointed on two front-ends to the same data, best option I know too. It is not ideal in though, so it is not a problem to setup ML mirror on Gmane. Similarly, Nabble works fairly well as a Forum frontend to ML. [2] site: I knew about and is good if you know which site will have the answer you're looking for. I don't always. Yes, this is true. In case of ML, it may be also related to some configuration of mailman. I found that the Google's site: trick does work pretty well with for example OSGeo Foundation mailing lists that I use extensively, e.g. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jpeg+format+site%3Alists.osgeo.org%2Fpipermail%2Fgdal-dev%2F Sometimes, I'll find answers on the Ubuntu forums, for example, though I imagine this will be less true in the future as Ubuntu seems to be going down the toilet as a distribution. :-) But what is 'T400'? Model of Lenovo ThinkPad T400 which I use. I used as example a needle being searched - as I've scanned the MLs for T400 infos lately :) Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 12 June 2012 08:05, David Benfell benf...@parts-unknown.org wrote: On 06/10/12 11:14, Mateusz Loskot wrote: Personally, I prefer mailing lists, but I noticed the Forums traffic is order of magnitude larger than the traffic on the lists. In principle, I prefer mailing lists. They are not so nice, however, when searching for information on the web, given what the various sites that harvest the content of mailing lists do to it. The site: trick [1] has worked for me quite well for long time: T400 site:http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/; Jeremiah's pointed on two front-ends to the same data, best option I know too. It is not ideal in though, so it is not a problem to setup ML mirror on Gmane. Similarly, Nabble works fairly well as a Forum frontend to ML. [2] I'm a member of OSGeo Foundation where mailing lists [3] only are provided. For those who prefer forum frontent, we have the whole hierarchy mirrored at Nabble. It's worked really well so far. [1] http://goo.gl/clXUB [2] http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+make+the+archives+searchable [3] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo [4] http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/ Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] can not login after upgrade
On 12 June 2012 20:50, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: another guy had problems with his VPS... when he updated he lost any connection with the VPS do you have /boot on a separate partition? Indeed, and if it is on separate partition it's probably not getting mounted properly. May be issue with changes regarding using fstab/labels vs UUID. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 11 June 2012 09:31, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote: On 06/10/2012 09:14 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: Personally, I prefer mailing lists, So do I. Mailing list is, in my VERY humble opinion, the place where you find higher quality discussion than on web forums. But, that's just my opinion. As a forum moderator I concur. Having said that however, I believe its important that new users are directed to the forums first so that the MLs can be kept as clean as possible (moderating a ML is a different kettle of fish from moderating a forum). IMO, that is a very good point indeed. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Different encoding on tty's and X, solution (or workaround?)
On 11 June 2012 09:11, anti a...@lavabit.com wrote: I noticed today that my zsh-prompt in the tty's didn't show the same letters as in the terminal emulators. First I thought I might have a corrupted ~/.zshrc.local, but while it showed the correct encoding in geany as well as in the terminal editors in X, it showed a sequence of letters (sth like ßäü) instead of ┌─ when editing it in the tty. Invoking 'locale -a' shows as possible locales en_GB.utf8, while my locale in rc.conf was set to en_GB.UTF-8. Changing the line in rc.conf to the locale given by locale -a and rebooting solved the problem. My questions: [...] I don't know direct answers to your questions, but I have noticed there has been confusion regarding *.UTF-8 and *.utf8 locale postfix. Here is similar thread on the forum: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142848 I followed-up asking for clarification, ideally on the Wiki: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1112328#p1112328 but no responses so far. IMO, it would be good to have it clarified. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
On Jun 11, 2012 1:43 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 11 June 2012 04:53, 逸冰欧阳 yaf...@gmail.com wrote: [...] I find that If you don't input anything like hitting ENTER at 8th step , everything is OK. Yes, I can confirm that too. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 11 June 2012 16:11, Karol Blazewicz karol.blazew...@gmail.com wrote: One can subscribe to just a couple forum threads or sections to keep the noise down. Such granularity is not available on the ML as there are just a few Arch ML lists although you can ignore / mute on a per-thread basis too. Certainly, it's a matter of personal preference, so discussing it may be pointless. My preference to ML is due to this: I find it quicker to use ML in comparison to Web forums. For the forum, I have to do a few extra steps and clicks, for ML... I check my inbox frequently anyway. Also, clearing filtering ML posts is light-speed fast by simply looking at subject lines and removing or leaving unread for later. Plus, I have more control to categorise/label/search ML posts. (FluxBB search is ineffective.) Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
Hi, I have been observing strange issues when I switch between X and TTY. Here is the step-by-step story with details: 0. Login to tty1 and ttt2 1. From tty2 (not tty1), startx with either i3wm or Openbox 2. Launch 2-3 apps (e.g. urxvt, Firefox) 3. Switch back to tty1 (CTRL+ALT+F1) 4. Execute some shell commands in tty1 5. Switch back to X (CTRL+ALT+F7) 6. Observe no problems, no hangs, in Openbox the ALT+TAB and in i3wm the Mod+[jkl;] combination cycles through windows, etc. 7. Switch to tty2 (CTRL+ALT+F2) 8. See xinit output, hit ENTER once or more, the xinit output scrolls up 9. Switch back to X (CTRL+ALT+F7) 10. Now, observe strange problems with lack of response in both, Openbox or i3wm. WMs are not completely frozen, but somewhat partially. Neither Openbox ALT+TAB nor i3wm Mod+[jkl;] work. No reaction to mouse operations have no effect No reaction to i3wm Mod+SHIFT+Q, etc. I'm running updated Arch on Lenovo ThinkPad T400 with Intel graphics (xf86-video-intel driver, i915 module). Could the problem be related to xf86-video-intel driver? BTW, I have been observing slow rendering of Terminus font under i3wm [1] and it turns out the problem is in the most recent version of xf86-video-intel in the Arch repos [2]. [1] http://infra.in.zekjur.net/archives/i3-discuss/2012-June/000699.html [2] http://infra.in.zekjur.net/archives/i3-discuss/2012-June/000702.html Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
On 10 June 2012 19:03, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: I have been observing strange issues when I switch between X and TTY. [...] I started noticing this same thing since last year (though don't remember when exactly). Never asked cause the work around is simple, the TTY from which startx was run is considered dead to me, I just don't use it once in X. Yes, you are right it's not a very disturbing issue. I was just curious if it is known problem and perhaps there is a solution. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
[arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
Hi, I'm wondering, what amount of Arch users and developers use the mailing lists in comparison to the number of people registered to the Arch Forums? Can we have some basic mailing lists statistics anywhere posted? Personally, I prefer mailing lists, but I noticed the Forums traffic is order of magnitude larger than the traffic on the lists. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 10 June 2012 19:25, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 10 Jun 2012 19:14:19 Mateusz Loskot wrote: I'm wondering, what amount of Arch users and developers use the mailing lists in comparison to the number of people registered to the Arch Forums? Can we have some basic mailing lists statistics anywhere posted? Personally, I prefer mailing lists, but I noticed the Forums traffic is order of magnitude larger than the traffic on the lists. I don't think I answer your question directly but still... I believe people who use a desktop mail client prefer mailing list while those who use the web interface for mail like gmail.com etc prefer forums. This especially works if you are a long term mailing list user and use POP3 mail and hence can search for question using your mail client search. The reason I posted request for some statistics, is that users may be confused about where to send their requests in order to reach the very core of the Arch community. Certainly, variety is good as people have freedom of choice, but freedom of choice has side effects too. Anyway, I was just curious what part of developers and users are subscribed to the mailing list and what part use forums. Also, are all Arch developers subscribed to the mailing lists? Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Mailing lists vs Forums
On 10 June 2012 19:40, Kwpolska kwpol...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 10 June 2012 19:25, Jayesh Badwaik jayesh.badwai...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 10 Jun 2012 19:14:19 Mateusz Loskot wrote: I'm wondering, what amount of Arch users and developers use the mailing lists in comparison to the number of people registered to the Arch Forums? Can we have some basic mailing lists statistics anywhere posted? Personally, I prefer mailing lists, but I noticed the Forums traffic is order of magnitude larger than the traffic on the lists. I don't think I answer your question directly but still... I believe people who use a desktop mail client prefer mailing list while those who use the web interface for mail like gmail.com etc prefer forums. This especially works if you are a long term mailing list user and use POP3 mail and hence can search for question using your mail client search. The reason I posted request for some statistics, is that users may be confused about where to send their requests in order to reach the very core of the Arch community. Certainly, variety is good as people have freedom of choice, but freedom of choice has side effects too. Anyway, I was just curious what part of developers and users are subscribed to the mailing list and what part use forums. I, for one, am subscribed to the lists (arch-announce, arch-dev-public, arch-general, aur-general) and also have a forums account. The difference is I read 90% of the mails I get (ignoring the signoff reports or other useless messages) and I haven't been on the forums since a few years. Thanks for the comment. Initially, I signed up and started using forums, but it takes too much time to participate really (Web forums are always more time consuming to me, so I'm not big fan of them, especially if heavy traffic occurs). I think I'll switch to the lists only. Also, are all Arch developers subscribed to the mailing lists? Most likely, yes. Good to know :) Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
On 10 June 2012 20:35, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban ulpianoso...@gmail.com wrote: El 10/06/12 14:11, Mateusz Loskot escribió: On 10 June 2012 19:03, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: I have been observing strange issues when I switch between X and TTY. [...] I started noticing this same thing since last year (though don't remember when exactly). Never asked cause the work around is simple, the TTY from which startx was run is considered dead to me, I just don't use it once in X. Yes, you are right it's not a very disturbing issue. I was just curious if it is known problem and perhaps there is a solution. I have a similar problem: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47277 Nice one, I'm going to subscribe to this issue. Thanks! Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
On 11 June 2012 01:35, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/10/2012 05:30 PM, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban wrote: El 10/06/12 20:18, John Briggs escribió: What bug? The TTY running X is busy running the xinit/xsession process, until you kill that process you shouldn't be able to get the command line prompt to run another program. The only way to overcome this shortcoming would be to run xinit in the background, which I wouldn't reccomend. Well it happens to me with any TTY, not just the one running X. Same here, I thought everyone had stated it is switching to any TTY from X or from some other TTY back to X and this will occur. Perhaps it's a random random nature of this issue, that makes it occur for me only when I interact with TTY from which I run xinit. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Switching betweenX and TTY freezes WM
On 11 June 2012 01:51, Sudaraka Wijesinghe sudaraka.wijesin...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/11/12 06:00, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban wrote: El 10/06/12 20:18, John Briggs escribió: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 07:35:45AM +0800, 逸冰欧阳 wrote: I also have the same problem. And remember that Ubuntu, Fedora work well, so I wonder whether it is a bug. On Jun 11, 2012 4:21 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: On 10 June 2012 20:35, Sébastien le Preste de Vauban ulpianoso...@gmail.com wrote: El 10/06/12 14:11, Mateusz Loskot escribió: On 10 June 2012 19:03, Javier Vasquez j.e.vasque...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: I have been observing strange issues when I switch between X and TTY. [...] I started noticing this same thing since last year (though don't remember when exactly). Never asked cause the work around is simple, the TTY from which startx was run is considered dead to me, I just don't use it once in X. Yes, you are right it's not a very disturbing issue. I was just curious if it is known problem and perhaps there is a solution. I have a similar problem: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47277 Nice one, I'm going to subscribe to this issue. Thanks! Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net What bug? The TTY running X is busy running the xinit/xsession process, until you kill that process you shouldn't be able to get the command line prompt to run another program. The only way to overcome this shortcoming would be to run xinit in the background, which I wouldn't reccomend. Regards John Well it happens to me with any TTY, not just the one running X. I haven't experienced this issue, but then I don't switch TTY that often. I was just wondering if some of the scenarios mentioned in here is due to the Left vs Right ALT key usage. (It has to be Left ALT if anyone didn't know) I do left ALT only. Also, in i3wm I use winkey as the modifier key, not the left ALT. Best regards, -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
Re: [arch-general] Problems with registration to Flyspray
On 6 June 2012 10:59, Mateusz Loskot mate...@loskot.net wrote: Hi, First, I apologies if this is not the right place to send this post, but I couldn't find how to reach the Flyspray admins. [...] FYI, I also forwarded this post to the Forum Wiki discussion: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142812 -- Mateusz Loskot, http://mateusz.loskot.net
