Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll
Hi All What an interesting diatribe of views and opinions it's been with clearly many individuals letting their guard down ever so slightly. initially I was of the opinion that the original subject line of this thread was incorrect and should have been Petition to not implement SystemD. although I now realise that too would have been pointless for two reasons, firstly, based on the responses on this thread, the SystemD advocates have no intention of listening to anyone other than fellow SystemD advocates so therefore any petition is pointless. Secondly having looked at the said poll results it would appear the SystemD advocates are in a majority, although any anonymous poll is open to abuse this is why on petitions they ask you to put your name on what is in effect a vote. As far as I'm concerned SystemD has, and is being implemented badly it seems like a square peg is being hammered in a round hole and the gaps filled in with symlinks and patches this tells me that if symlinks and manual intervention is required there is something amiss with either the file system or SystemD itself. My friends at Red Hat inform me there is little marked improvement with SystemD however It would be jolly nice if we was all the same. so I'm slightly mystified at the vehement determination to adopt it? I am of the opinion that development of Arch Linux should have in effect halted at the decision to implement the wholesale ravaging of the distribution namely the removal of such things as the installer etc and the new elements and working practices being applied. Really it should have been Bye bye Arch-A and Hello to our new shiny shiny Arch-B firstly that would have avoided all the heartache a heck of a lot of people (Including myself) went through after the so called transition steps failed, and secondly everyone would have been clear on the new direction Arch Linux was taking. I know some people are horrified at forks but that's the very nature of FOSS and society in general, things move on, I'm neither for or against SystemD now (I was at first) I am against the intransigent attitude, users are in effect customers and they deserve to be treated a tad better in my opinion. Oh and as a side note a rolling release means it rolls, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/roll if it stops because of a breakage or a change in file structure or manipulation that then means it is not rolling it has come to a halt. Just wanted to add that for those I keep seeing on the net saying It's a rolling release what do you expect? Judd Vincent meant You'll never have to upgrade because every pacman- Syu gives you the most recent version. ergo 'It's rolled over to the latest. If a package breaks your system that's fair enough, if changing the file structure or core of your system breaks it that has nothing to do with 'rolling' that's called I just ripped the wires out of your radio but hey you get to keep all the parts. just wanted to clarify that. All hate mail. bricks and bottles to /dev/null :-)
Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]
On 04/01/12 23:26, Peter Lewis wrote: Nice to see that Godwin's Law [1] still applies on proper mailing lists in 2012 ;-) Happy new year folks! Pete. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_la Ahahaha +1
Re: [arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]
On 04/01/12 03:25, Jonathan Vasquez wrote: Carry on doing what *you* want not what others want you to do. I too joined The pain of making tea. that is Arch Linux due to the statement that used to be on display; *Q)*When I run “pacman –sync” it comes up with “could not open sync database:reponame have you used –refresh yet?” but when I run pacman –refresh it does nothing?! *A)*This error is due to your inability to read man pages. We recommend you try the pacman man page – it really is very useful. I also agree that it's probably not for an absolute beginner, however if you can read a wiki or a forum then I see no reason why a so called n00b shouldn't give Arch a go. I see no excuse for arrogance or rudeness people that do that can Get off my lawn. thank you very much. There is *every* excuse for not knowing, there is *no* excuse for not asking. #freedom
Re: [arch-general] How to change gdm greeter theme?
On 23/07/10 12:00, Magnus Therning wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:29, Ionuț Bîruib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 07/23/2010 01:19 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, This used to be easy with gdmsetup, but in gdm 2.30 -- that's gone. I've been to the gnome sites, I've googled it, I've looked through the gdm package and I'm stumped. -- What's the trick? its on the wiki http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gnome_2.28_Changes It's gotten quite a bit worse, usability wise, I think. Oh, and if you find out how to change the background image for the screensaver login then please let me know. I've looked in vain for instructions on how to get rid of the ugly green background that comes as default. There is a script, I think its in AUR something like GDM-Changer or something like that. I installed it on my box at home but it doesn't work. That might be because I do not use sudo though? Other than that I've tried all the so called success story's all have failed for me :-(
[arch-general] Xorg 1.8, Nvidia 6200 Videoseven monitor
Hi All I have a Videoseven 19 monitor L19FM and an Nvidia 6200 graphics card the monitor's capabilities are never recognised properly by any Linux distribution so usually I use the Nvidia-settings tool. I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv. X bombs out with the xorg.conf file in place (/etc/X11) so I moved the xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.old and X will start but only in 800x600 This is my /var/log/xor.0.log http://www.pastebin.org/367717 I tried putting my original xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.org/367716 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as 20-nvidia.conf obviously changing the devices sections to nv rather than nvidia I get an Out of range message on the monitor, black screen but I wouldn't say X has bombed as such. Usually this means the refresh is wrong however as the information in the file used to work under nvidia-173xx I cant see that its that. I have HAL and udev in the daemons array of rc.conf I also use GDM which again is in the list of daemons. Any help would be appreciated.
[arch-general] Xorg 1.8, Nvidia 6200 Videoseven monitor
Hi All I have a Videoseven 19 monitor L19FM and an Nvidia 6200 graphics card the monitor's capabilities are never recognised properly by any Linux distribution so usually I use the Nvidia-settings tool. I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv. X bombs out with the xorg.conf file in place (/etc/X11) so I moved the xorg.conf file to xorg.conf.old and X will start but only in 800x600 This is my /var/log/xor.0.log http://www.pastebin.org/367717 I tried putting my original xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.org/367716 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as 20-nvidia.conf obviously changing the devices sections to nv rather than nvidia I get an Out of range message on the monitor, black screen but I wouldn't say X has bombed as such. Usually this means the refresh is wrong however as the information in the file used to work under nvidia-173xx I cant see that its that. I have HAL and udev in the daemons array of rc.conf I also use GDM which again is in the list of daemons. Any help would be appreciated.
Re: [arch-general] Xorg 1.8, Nvidia 6200 Videoseven monitor
On 30/06/10 09:43, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 30.06.2010 10:38, schrieb Peter Cannon: I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv. do you use nvidia 173xx? The 6200 is supported by the nvidia driver. I'm not? If you read it again you will see I removed it I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv.
Re: [arch-general] Xorg 1.8, Nvidia 6200 Videoseven monitor
On 30/06/10 09:55, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 30.06.2010 10:45, schrieb Peter Cannon: On 30/06/10 09:43, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 30.06.2010 10:38, schrieb Peter Cannon: I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv. do you use nvidia 173xx? The 6200 is supported by the nvidia driver. I'm not? If you read it again you will see I removed it I have upgraded to Xorg release 1.8 to do so I had to remove the Nvidia-173xx driver and installed xf86-video-nv. I don't understand you. Of course you had to remove nvidia-173xx, as it is incompatible with xorg-server 1.8. But you don't need nvidia-173xx for your card, and never needed it. You can simply use the latest nvidia driver - which would eliminate the problems you're having right now. Also, if you really want to use a free driver, don't use nv, it sucks - use nouveau instead. OK thanks I'll give that a go
Re: [arch-general] Dedicated Arch servers
On 20/03/10 09:13, Jonathan Brown wrote: Dude relax - I was offering you the services of the company I work for. However, I far from own the company, I am just a tech. Even so, I didn't feel it was appropriate to respond to the mailing list. Sorry that offended you so much. Spamming you? Absolutely not sir. I am a proud arch user is all- I don't sit here reading thru the Arch list skimming for opportuniites, I just felt like it would be more appropriate to respond to you directly. If that is against the mailing list rules I shaint do it again. Hi Jonathan You can email me directly any time you like. People should learn what 'spam' is, spam is not just unsolicited e.g it was not asked for, but also usually offers a product or service you was not really looking for. Clearly this is not the case on both levels. As far as I'm aware your action was correct in offering a service off-list. While in some groups it is perfectly acceptable to give prices and promote company's others frown on it. As the request was subjected Dedicated Arch servers I take the view someone is looking to purchase a service. Take Care
Re: [arch-general] Arch is ummnn different: my 1st installation: tried to install xfce...OOPS!
Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote: Hello, I've been using various Linux distros for a while now. I just decided to give Arch Linux a try. But I'm a little bit lost. I'm used to distros like Xubuntu, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuSE, etc... Where I don't need to personally understand what order I need to install which packages to get at least one GUI desktop up running... You don't need to understand the *Order* in Arch either? The install itself went ok. But I needed to add a few things. First I used the list of typical tasks for pacman from the installation guide, to figure out how to look for a package and install it with pacman. I installed mc and vim without a problem. Then I thought it would be nice if I could get a desktop up. Well it would those are non GUI apps as you know with your opensuse ect experience. I did a: pacman -Si xfce|less and looked for a package that might get me to a minimal desktop I could work with. I thought maybe xfdesktop... pacman -S xfdesktop Why have you done this? If you look at the 'man' page you will see http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfdesktop xfdesktop manages the desktop itself in the Xfce 4 Desktop Environment. You should have done pacman -S xfce4 By the sound of it you've only installed part of the desktop environment. cut More to the point: Will I need to figure out how to uninstall xfdesktop to resolve the error? No. Could some nice Arch user point me at enough step by step instructions so that I can get enough of a gui up to use a browser like firefox so I can try to find solutions via the web while Arch is actually running??? You need to do as others have suggested and read the beginners guide http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide especially the Setting up X section.
Re: [arch-general] Netbook recommendations
Aaron Griffin wrote: So in the next few weeks, I would like to buy a netbook. The market is saturated, so I'd like to ask for some advice here. What do you guys think of the current offerings? What's considered the best now-a-days? What kinds of netbooks do Arch users have? I have the Dell Mini 10, I would have suggested it except the pointer has that crazy arse activity of intermittently flying off all over the place and I cant fathom out how to get the Wifi working :-(
