Re: [arch-general] Top Posting Revisited
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 08:20:42PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: And your email has changed the world and we will not see a repeat of this in the future. Hooray! My favourite option is to have someone with admin access to the list (e.g. me...) just unsubscribe anyone who top posts. I am in support for this action. Besides this adds an additional feature to the mailing list. Once one is tired of a mailing list, instead of unsubscribing via normal ways just sent a top posted reply to the next email from the list :-) (Granted using this feature can be a disaster in certain mailing lists --- for some unexplained reason OpenBSD lists comes in my mind first) ppk
Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3 + KDE 4 are both large disappointments.
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 05:57:02PM +0800, Auguste Pop wrote: On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: by gmail, do you mean the gmail web interface or the gmail mail service? The threading is done by the mail client and has nothing to do with the mail protocol SMTP/IMAP etc. i am using the web interface, and has the behavior you depicted for gmail. if i use a real and proper mail client, would it be better? So in this case the mistake is that of gmail webclient. Because: Have a discussion with someone on say Bugs in the code. Now if your mailer justs looks at subjects to thread then two different mails with subjects Bugs in the code (and their subsequent replies) will be clubbed which is clearly undesirable. A real mailer a la mutt for example will thread mails based of message id's and this will solve this otherwise problem of mind reading. What is assumed is a bit of consideration from the replier. A new message should be started as a new message not as a reply to an old message with a changed subject. Regards ppk
[arch-general] A question regarding lxc
Can anyone please tell me whether my understanding of lxc is correct. Say I have lxc containers foo1, foo2 and bar1, bar2 such that (1) foo1 and foo2 have seperate file hiearchy and (2) bar1 and bar2 share /usr /bin/ (i.e. directories where executables and shared libraries are kept) via read only bind mount. I would expect that in configuration (2) for common shared libraries, only one copy would be loaded where as for (1) both will load its own versions of the shared library even if they are identical otherwise. Is that correct? The next question is what is the best way to check this out. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:19PM -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: A quick search in google reveals that he spammed it across lists of numerous distributions and others. Must be a religious fanatic or just a troll. *shrugs* Meeku: It's a legitimate Press Release not spam/troll. There is spiritual non-materialistic content in email address and font reasons. yeah we call those spiritual non-materialistic content SPAM. SP from spritual and AM for anti-materialistic. ppk
[arch-general] ssh mutt etc problem
Dear Archers, With the latest pacman -Syu I am getting segfaults with ssh and mutt. I think the two are related for the following reason (1) Mutt works alright till it tries to make SSL/TLS connection and then it seg faults (2) ssh directly seg faults I think this has got to do with an update in openssl (both mutt and openssh depends on this) although the openssl comman itself does not seem to have a problem Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: ssh mutt etc problem
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:05:51AM -0500, Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) wrote: I'd have to check, but if there was a soname bump on the last update, things might not be linked correctly. Does recompiling the affected programs help? My problem. Everythign seems to be working now. I really dont know what changed I removed mutt ssh and installed again and it started working. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: cdrtools again... yay! - Was: Burning From Command Line
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:06:36AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: I do not speak for the other Arch developers, but the reason why I will not officially package cdrtools for Arch is you. My impression of you is that you are very, very annoying and irritating. If there was a bug report made about the cdrtools package in Arch, then I would have to deal with you. I do not particularly want to do that, so I will not package cdrtools. I have heard similar opinions expressed by developers from various other distributions while at Linux meetings, so I am not alone here, even though I might be the only one blunt enough to say it directly. I agree. Deficient upstream is a completely valid reason for excluding things. i.e. Ion3 I like this thread. Burning CD on command line looks like a long ``burning'' issue. ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: How to take screenshot of ring switcher ?
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:41:25PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:10 PM, dave reisner wrote: I don't use GNOME (I don't have it installed, switched to KDE completely). As far as I have seen, the moment people hear the name 'Linux' it reminds them of the console. They think, Linux sucks in GUI sometimes even they think it has no GUI. So this is important. Why do you think other mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora spend so much time on Eye Candy ? Wait for their machines to be infected by worms all over which it will. Partition their disk and put for them a clean GNU/Linux or BSD system (Linux if they are into skyping etc). Use XFCE as wm. Not Gnome/KDE, its too heavy and its slugginess will put people of. Few more points (1) Make sure that auto mounting of devices happen. (2) Add icons for things like skype/ekiga/pidgin/firefox etc No jazzy desktop effects are required. This strategy had worked wonderfully with people who are not power windoze users (parents, uncles, aunts, in-laws, grand mother etc). Desktop effects only scare them off. For the power users you might need compiz and all that. But then after conversion introduce them to the tiling window manager like xmonad and programms like screen, firefox + vimperator etc. Regards ppk
[arch-general] A peculiar LDAP setup
Hi, We have configured a set of machines to authenticate against an LDAP database. For some machines we do not want the users to login via their normal shell but some custom program runs for them. For example if some one tries to login to the smtp server via ssh, they get authenticated via LDAP but their default shell fo smtp should be say a program that sets up the email forwarding. More generally is there a way, by mucking around in the pam config or ldap config to ignore certain fields in the ldap database and fill it with some default values. Is there a way to achieve this apart from inelegent ways like copying the ldap database locally and creating a /etc/passwd file ? Best Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Java and/or MySQL geeks required
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 05:32:44PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Hi, Please do not consider this another spam message because it is not. I am not sending this as an advertisement. The project page is located at http://cbse065.eduvid.in/ This is great Nilesh. Being an Indian Academic and seeing a whole lot of stuff that is being passed as ``computer literacy'' in India, I am glad that there are projects like this. A breath of fresh cool air in the dusty Kanpur summer. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] Debootstrap for Arch?
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 05:31:31PM -0600, Brendan Long wrote: Is there anything similar to debootstrap for Arch? Debootstrap basically a command where you give it some options and point it to a partition and it installs Debian (or a Debian-based distro) onto it. You can install packages under a particular directroy using the command pacman -S pkgname -r /gateway/to/hell So using that you can actually build a chrooted environment and work your way up. Somethign like $ pacman -S base -r /gateway/to/hell $ mount -t proc /gateway/to/hell/proc ... ... $ chroot bash /gateway/to/hell $ complete the installation there. should work. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: Building netboot images
On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 07:32:18PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Piyush P Kurur p...@cse.iitk.ac.in wrote: What I suggest is this - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Diskless_network_boot_NFS_root I saw the wiki. I am not looking for a diskless boot. We have here a pxelinux boot loader that allows people to select one of the distros that we mirror here and install it on their machine by just connecting to ethernet port here and enabling PXE boot. One of the images is that of arch. I definitely *do not* want the following (1) NFS mounts: I prefer to have all the stuff required for a netinstall in the initrd image. The actual packages will come from the local mirror. NFS is unnecessarily compilcated and would mean I have to also run an NFS server and cannot get away with a tftp server. (2) No custom kernel: I don't want a custom kernel. The standard kernel should be made to work. Besides I thought this is a good oppurtunity to hack a bit on image creation process. Best ppk
[arch-general] Building netboot images
Hi, I would like to create a (custom) netboot install image of archlinux to facilitate installation within our department. I have few queries regarding the corresponding mkinitcpio.conf. 1. How do I use custom hooks together with standard hooks *without* installing them in /lib/initcpio/install. Or in other words can I configure mkinitcpio to look for hooks in other locations besides the standard locations. There are two options that I can think of both of which looks ugly to me. * install custom hooks in the standard location /lib/initcpio/install. I would don't like this because I don't want to mess up the standard directory for testing these hooks. * copy all the hooks in the standard location to a new location. Install the custom hooks there as well and set the mkinitcpio to look at this new location. There does not seem to be an option for this, I might be stupid not to spot it, but appropriate fakeroot + chroot can make this work 2. I would like to have the minimal set of packages on the netboot image to reduce size. The actual installation will be from the local mirror of course but some packages are needed to start the process. What is the suggested package set ? Is the whole of base okey or is it an overkill? 3. How does one provide standard packages on the rootdir. I would assume the initial ramdisk should act as the actual root during the entire installation process (I don't want the NFS mounting mess). The algorithm seems like (1) install the appropriate packages via pacman --root /foo (2) get the entire subtree on to the initial ramdisk. For step 2, I would need to set BINARIES and FILES of mkinitcpio.conf appropriately. I would rather enjoy Vogon poetry. Is there a better way? Regards, ppk
Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:55:22AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Thanks to enough input i have learned two things of this thread: 1) The problem IS upstream related. Some packages do enable dbus when it is available, for the convenience of those users who do not understand what dbus is and hence need it. Archs philosophy dictates, that if the upstream is retarded, so shall be the package. I used this as argument, and i shall comply to it equally. 2) I am in fact the minority, not those who see linux as a free windows copy. Hence i should 2.1) stfu and obey the will of the mass 2.2) find or found a distro that is not based on the will of the mass The combination of 1 and 2 invalidates everything i have said in this thread. I think you are just reading more that what is said. Many GNU/Linux distros and Arch and Debian in particular are definitely not free Windows. I run Arch and Debian servers and desktops and have never install any of the gnome/kde stuff unless asked to on gunpoint. I use xmonad and share your dislike for hal/dbus. This however does not justify not having a decent PnP particulary when you want to install it for non-experts. To my eyes Arch has been quite snappy and minimalist, even made me switch from Debian stable on my laptop. It is definitely far better than the monstrosity of Ubuntu or Fedora. I dont know how you find it otherwise. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 11:28:37AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Piyush P Kurur wrote: switch from Debian stable on my laptop. It is definitely far better than the monstrosity of Ubuntu or Fedora. I dont know how you find it otherwise. err yeah,.. i guess if you have other distros as comparison, arch feels like cake :D Okey so you agree that Arch != Ubuntu. Now we have a way forward. Arvid's reply to me made me search for antidesktop (I did not know about such a movement) and I find this xorg-server-antidesktop 1.6.1.1 in AUR. Whatever happended to it I do not know. Arvid can you start maintainning it and may be give it the status that if finally makes to the official Arch repository ? You dont have to fork Arch for that. I for one would definitely use this instead of the standard xorg-server with hal/dbus as I have always been a xmonad + xterm + screen user. I think there is nothing wrong in having two xorg-server packages besides anitdesktop sounds so cool. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises
On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: and may be give it the status that if finally makes to the official Arch repository ? I'm uncertain about how to handle this right now. It would require a mediator for me to contribute to arch as i am incapable of finding common ground. You sound like you are able to do that? I am a mere user of Arch and as of now have not contributed in any way to the Arch system. Dont find myself, a hot headed fundamentalist, in the role of a mediator. But you can see your xorg-server-antidesktop into the official packages. Have a look at the wiki for AUR. It clearly says that packages start as being in AUR and then finally end up in the official repository after getting enough support. I think there are others who would also like to have a non hal/dbus xorg-servers. They will support you. But please don't fork Arch. The issue you pointed out is too minor, at least to me, to justify such a drastic action. If there aren't many supporters you AUR package will remain there. That should also be fine, after all world domination is never a goal with free software. It is just a side-effect. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote: One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B should not have feature X. If you don't want that, ABS is for that. There are plenty of packages which have additional dependencies like that mplayer(like smbclient) or vlc(hal :) or lua). I don't think it is about not having a feature X. For example I think PnP is a worthwhile feature to have. But many do not like hal/dbus. Again the counter argument is that disabling hal/dbus is just an additional line in xorg.conf. Point well taken but if we can compile xorg-server package without hal/dbus enabled and then whomsoever wants to use hal/dbus make a small change in xorg.conf to facilitate it (I dont know whether this is possible) I would prefer such an xorg-server. Again it is purely my preference. Such an xorg-server, I think will be both ``minimalist'' and ``featurefull'' whatever those terms mean. Finally, true anti-desktop is using lynx or watching mplayer with ascii renderer :) , all in virtual terminal(with directfb if required) Yes many prefer lynx/w3m/elinks/edbrowse over other webbrowsers. But saying that anti-desktop means mplayer with ascii is just streatching it a bit too much. If you use screen + xterm + xmonad then you will, I hope, see the advantage of not using gnome/kde. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] MUA
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 09:09:55PM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Antony Jepson wrote: On 2009-11-17, Patrick Brisbin wrote: In gmail's web interface a thread is vertical, sorted by time. However here in mutt, I can see that I've replied to you in our own little thread branch. I definitely prefer the proper threading available in Mutt. I often find myself navigating through my email more quickly using Mutt than I do by using Gmail - however, this is probably because I still point and click when using the web interface. i WOULD find mutts way perfect, if it actually worked in real live. People NEVER reply on the correct branch, so its sort of useless. you have to crawl the entire tree anyway to find the responses you want to read. On the other hand, gmail thinks conversations never branch, which is just as wrong. I think that is not the problem with mutt. I have been using mutt for some time (about say 5 years). What I think about it is really captured by the Author's quote: All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. Couple of thinks I like about it is (1) It works on the terminal (yes this is the most important feature for me) (2) Fast (3) not so difficult to configure (4) Can use my favorit editor (emacs) while editing. (5) support for gziped mailbox, encrypted mailbox etc (however not so natura way of doing it) (6) Great thread support (some folks seems to disagree) (7) limiting, searching etc which can be keyboard controlled. etc.. Alipine is also good but I used to hate the pine interface. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, hollun...@gmx.at wrote: [snip] So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need real integration, real solutions and still freedom of choice. You read my mind. Mine too. I got burnt when after one of the xorg updates few months ago, the mouse and keyboard stopped working. The culprit, xorg unloading the mouse and keyboard drivers and waiting for hal to send some signals to load the appropriate drivers. This I think was ridiculous. Many a time I use X without any windomanager whatsoever mainly for display boards and such stuff. I dont need any PnP here. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] We have lost the desktop war. The reason? Windows 7.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:09:49PM +0100, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote: In this particular case though, you can just disable hotplugging (see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging). Please realize that PnP can be a very nice feature for many users. I have read the wiki and actually changed the xorg.conf to have the AutoAddDevice off. I am not against PnP, it helps. But I think this is not the business of xorg. It should be the business of KDE/GNOME or what not (although I am not sure whether the window manager has control over such issues). One of the (if not the) reason I like Arch and BSDs over say Debian is the simplicity. The Arch developers have really done a great job here. I dont want a X server that is overly complicated and kills the joy of Arch. Regards ppk
[arch-general] rsync for mirroring
Hi, I am part of a group of people who run a mirror for some GNU/Linux distros. I have a question regarding how rsync works. The question is prompted by the frequent overloading of rsync mirrors. If I am not mistaken the overall idea behind rsync is the following (I am assuming that dest wants to update form src) (1) dest computes a signature of the current snapshot of its file system sends to src. (2) src goes over the its current snapshot and calculates a delta (changes) from the signature that dest sends. (3) src then sends the delta to dest and dest updates. Although this seems fine for a single source single destination system, doesint it lead to overloading of src when there are multiple dest, like in the case of mirroring, src has to compute the delta which is a time consuming process. Alternatively if the src can do the delta computation once and for all then it will improve the efficiency a lot. One can imagine that a destination mirror can keep track of a snapshot time when it last synced and send the src just this. src keeps track of all the deltas, somewhat like rdiff-backup and then sends the dest all the deltas that will get it uptodate. Regards ppk
[arch-general] TeXLive problems
I am having problems with the texlive package. I tried to install the package texlive-most and here is the error that pacman throws /usr/share/texmf-dist/bibtex/bib/amsrefs/amsj.bib exists in both 'texlive-core' and 'texlive-bibtexextra' /usr/share/texmf-dist/bibtex/bst/amsrefs/amsra.bst exists in both 'texlive-core' and 'texlive-bibtexextra' [many similar lines] Looks like ams packages have got into bot texlive-core and texlive-latexextra. File a bug report ? Regards ppk
[arch-general] LaTeX problems ?
Hi, latex which was fine till last update is having an unmet libpoppler dependency. When I tried to install libpoppler then the complaint was that they are not in the correct format. So I guess the following needs to be done. 1) Add libpoppler as a dependency to latex 2) recompile libpoppler with latest gcc which ever it is. I can file a bug report but since the server is down I will wait. Meanwhile did any one else also notice this problem ? Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] LaTeX problems ?
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:39:38PM +0200, Firmicus wrote: Jan Spakula a écrit : Excerpts from Piyush P Kurur's message of Mo Aug 31 14:48:03 +0200 2009: complaint was that they are not in the correct format. So I guess the following needs to be done. 1) Add libpoppler as a dependency to latex you are right about this. yeap, my bad. I'll fix this. sorry. note that libpoppler should be a dep of texlive-bin, not latex. Thanks. Are you the maintainer of this package ? Should I file a bug report ? Best Regards ppk
[arch-general] In defense of pacman.static
Hi, This is my first posting on Arch-general. I am one of the recent converts to the Arch religion from the Debian religion. I am writing this in defense of the pacman.static package from archlinuxfr site. I have been running for Arch on a server, a laptop and an eeepc box for a while. The server and laptop were updated almost regularly may be once every 3 days where as the eeepc was not upgraded for about 2 months. So I hit pacman -Syu on eeepc and it first asked to install the new pacman version. I went ahead and then with the new pacman I had a problem. It would just not run as a shared library was missing. I was stuck. One way was to reinstall the thing again, I hate this. The other solution which I now describe might be known but still it might be interesting if you get stuck in a similar situation. Imagin that you are install Arch linux sitting in another distro. You would have started with installing the pacman.static package first and then syncing the packages into the directory which will be your new arch root. Something like $ mount /dev/sda2 /media/target $ # copy the mirror list and pacman.conf in the appropriate place $ pacman.static --root /media/target -Sy base Now that you are already in Arch all you have to do is the last line. In my case I just had to install the xz-utils package absense of which was creating the problem. $ pacman.static -S xz-utils The pacman upgrade some how did not install this package. I guess this is a bug. After that the pacman started working fine and I did the following $ pacman -Syu Note. This might be a problem with my pacman.conf. I probably had to install things in the right order. Regards ppk
Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: In defense of pacman.static
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 07:12:55PM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: ludovic coues wrote: It's a problem with the default pacman.conf I suppose. By default, pacman is configured to upgrade itself first. If he have upgrade itself, but forget to bring dependencies with it, it's a shame. I think this is a bug with the FirstSync option in pacman.conf Its not actually... it is a bug with pacman's deps. It requires libarchive=2.7.0-2 and not just 2.7.0 Allan Do I report this bug ? Regards ppk
