Re: [arch-general] usable browser?
Tobias Kieslich wrote: dillo, simplistic, bone simple, limitations on the functionality Bottomline, if you need the features live with the overload. In Linux there are three full featured rendering engines: - gecko - webkit - opera you ruled out all of them, so what's left has serious short comings. -T On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, Arvid Picciani wrote: for those who don't want to read my long text completely here a short version: - no webkit ( i need to visit non w3c compliant sites ) - no gecko ( i don't have a raid11 in my laptop ) - no opera ( i hate popups ) - no chrome ( unusable buggy ) what is left? thanks Seamonkey is quite fast. Although I am not using it now I have in the past and I know it is used extensively in Puppylinux because it is full featured and light weight, even including a mail client. Since it is developed by Mozilla it is very similar to FF in functionality but does not have all the extras that slow FF down. I agree that FF has gotten very bloated in the last few years, I think to compete with and explorer and make windows users happy. But as a result the browser is not what it used to be. I currently use chrome both on windows and in Arch and it runs the fastest of any others for me.
Re: [arch-general] usable browser?
Robert Howard wrote: I don't understand why people want to use software that has no features. If something has more than one feature, people bitch about bloat. FF is not that bad nor is Seamonkey or any of the webkit stuff. On Nov 26, 2009 9:52 PM, Thomas Bewick tombew...@gmail.com wrote: Tobias Kieslich wrote: dillo, simplistic, bone simple, limitations on the functionality Bottom... Seamonkey is quite fast. Although I am not using it now I have in the past and I know it is used extensively in Puppylinux because it is full featured and light weight, even including a mail client. Since it is developed by Mozilla it is very similar to FF in functionality but does not have all the extras that slow FF down. I agree that FF has gotten very bloated in the last few years, I think to compete with and explorer and make windows users happy. But as a result the browser is not what it used to be. I currently use chrome both on windows and in Arch and it runs the fastest of any others for me. Ouch!, But seriously. it is not the extra features that is a problem I have run it without any plug-ins, and chrome has lots of features. But honestly when I have run FF on my old pentium 3 it is very noticeably slower then other browsers. It runs my cpu out a lot higher than chrome. As computers have gotten faster if you upgraded you won't notice much difference in speed on anything because you have a enough resources to absorb it. But run those same things side by side on an old pc and it is very noticeable. I know that does not effect a lot of people, but it does some. I pointed out the same thing to reviewer of Ubuntu. They compared Ubuntu to Archlinux and said Ubuntu was not noticeably any slower, but they reviewed it on a new box. Arch is light-speeds faster then Ubuntu on this old thing, (I have used both) and why I use Arch. Ubuntu has serious bloat But Arch is built with only what I want in it, and as such is very fast.
Re: [arch-general] X fails to start with intel card after latest kernel update
On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 16:16 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: On Sunday 11 October 2009 03:33:57 am Jan Spakula wrote: Excerpts from David C. Rankin's message of So Okt 11 10:16:57 +0200 2009: On Sunday 11 October 2009 03:10:15 am David C. Rankin wrote: I'm back already. The wiki page must be out of date. It says to put the following in modprobe.conf (which is deprecated): options i915 modeset=1 Now what?? Put it in /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf (that's where I have it). Jan, All, What has changed with regard to the intel driver?? My box has been dead-in- the-water since the 10/8 updates. Since then, I have set up KMS (both late and early), I have added options i915 modeset=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf I have added the following to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf: MODULES=... intel_agp i915 FILES=... /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf I have rebuilt the initramfs with: mkinitcpio -p kernel26 And still when I boot, the process gets to Entering Runlevel 5, then the screen flashes, the little circular X cursor appears for a second and the BAM X crashes and I'm back to the terminal. I can't think of anything else to try. The salt-in-the-wound is that this box worked perfectly before the Oct. 8 updates. I haven't seen a gui since then. Can anyone think of any reason that X will not keep running after it starts? Latest Xorg.0.log at: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/bugs/supersff/Xorg.0.log Hi, I am no developer and just joined the list and not that experienced with Linux. So, if this is totally off the wall please bear with me. But I think I had a similar problem a few months back with Puppy Linux. I had upgraded to a new version of Puppy with a new kernel and then tried to install the same Nivida graphics driver for my Nvidia card that I had stored on my hard drive, and X failed after I installed the driver. It was because the driver was for an older kernel and caused X to fail. I had to get a new updated driver and reinstall and it. Tom B
