Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Thanks solsTiCe, no offense taken, but I am one of the people that RTFM. Plus, the -a option gives you -p anyways, so ownership, mode and timestamps are kept by default. This is just a weird coincidence that I can't explain. I've been able to copy a drive before, but never with this much difficulty. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:39 AM, solsTiCe d'Hiversolstice.dhi...@gmail.com wrote: I tried a simple 'cp -av' [...] and find that everything is set to root / root if you want to preserve permission, you need to use -p too. Do you know that there exists something called the man pages (the manual pages) for each command on your system ? so if you run 'man cp', you get a list of all the options of cp and how it works. no offense, i am still reading them every day. i think at this point, you really need to read them carefully. otherwise at every new question you will ask you will get back a RTFM.
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Just so everyone knows what I'm doing, here is what I'm doing: $ls -al ~ | tail -n 5 -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users222118 2008-11-28 10:23 untitled.JPG -rwxr-xr-x 1 myusername users 172 2008-03-12 12:14 wmamp3 drwxr-xr-x 4 myusername users 4096 2008-10-05 22:41 workspace -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users 1041452 2008-11-18 21:29 xine-out.wav -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users 0 2009-07-21 21:18 zero.trf $cp -a --preserve=all ~ /media/bigdrive/backups/ $ls -al /media/bigdrive/backups | tail -n 5 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root222118 2008-11-28 10:23 untitled.JPG -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 172 2008-03-12 12:14 wmamp3 drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2008-10-05 22:41 workspace -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1041452 2008-11-18 21:29 xine-out.wav -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-07-21 21:18 zero.trf I've been using this stuff enough to know what's in the man pages and how to use google. No matter what though, the output is the same whether I'm running it from within my Arch install or from a live cd like ubuntu. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Patrick Brisbinpbris...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/30/09 at 12:39pm, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: I tried a simple 'cp -av' [...] and find that everything is set to root / root if you want to preserve permission, you need to use -p too. Do you know that there exists something called the man pages (the manual pages) for each command on your system ? so if you run 'man cp', you get a list of all the options of cp and how it works. man cp said: -a --archive same as -dR --preserve=all so shouldn't -a work just fine? (-p is --preserve btw) it worked fine for me when i migrated from 32 to 64 bit by reinstalling and restoring /home /etc -- patrick brisbin
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
The hd is ext3, the bigdrive is ntfs On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Jan de Grootj...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 11:23 -0300, Will Siddall wrote: Just so everyone knows what I'm doing, here is what I'm doing: $ls -al ~ | tail -n 5 -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users222118 2008-11-28 10:23 untitled.JPG -rwxr-xr-x 1 myusername users 172 2008-03-12 12:14 wmamp3 drwxr-xr-x 4 myusername users 4096 2008-10-05 22:41 workspace -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users 1041452 2008-11-18 21:29 xine-out.wav -rw-r--r-- 1 myusername users 0 2009-07-21 21:18 zero.trf $cp -a --preserve=all ~ /media/bigdrive/backups/ $ls -al /media/bigdrive/backups | tail -n 5 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root222118 2008-11-28 10:23 untitled.JPG -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 172 2008-03-12 12:14 wmamp3 drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2008-10-05 22:41 workspace -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1041452 2008-11-18 21:29 xine-out.wav -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-07-21 21:18 zero.trf I've been using this stuff enough to know what's in the man pages and how to use google. No matter what though, the output is the same whether I'm running it from within my Arch install or from a live cd like ubuntu. What filesystem is the destination? You're aware of the fact that FAT32 doesn't support permissions and ownership?
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Here's another update. Using Mike's advice and I tried a simple 'cp -av' on my home directory. After everything was completed, I do a 'ls -al' and find that everything is set to root / root. Modes are intact, but that's it. I've tried this from the Ubuntu livecd and running from my original hard disk. Tonight, I'm going to give it another try and use And Solstice, I understand your point but everything else hasn't worked for me yet. I'm going to do a dd on the whole disk tonight and try a workaround. Thanks again everyone On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:52 AM, solsTiCe d'Hiversolstice.dhi...@gmail.com wrote: Why, out of curiosity? dd copy the data of the raw device. i.e the files but also the filesystem data and metadata. which you don't really need or wish to copy to another partition/disk. i said it's the worst, not that it does not work. but you have to take extra step after you have used dd (to resize filesystem and so on)...
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Hey everyone, After several attempts, I'm still back to trying to resolve this. To explain in more detail, I had a 100G hd with a root partition (with my Arch Install), a data partition and a swap. I managed to run dd on both partitions and in the new hd (200G) apply both. But that only worked partially due to the fact that it copied the ratios of file sizes rather than the actual file size... Copying 80G of data from a 30G partition doesn't quite sit well with me. Next step was to mount the iso images and copy the files. That's what I was in the process of doing of my last message and it worked... until I went to restart and update. What I found that was that my permissions and ownership info was not kept. Because of this, as soon as I went to update anything, the installers would run, but just delete the files (it deleted pacman and yaourt so I had to find a way to compile pacman to install again... until it tried to update all of my bin tools... then everything was gone). Now following all of your suggestions, I tried rsync -arpol and a variety of different other settings but it still doesn't keep the permissions. I tried running tar on the partition, still not working. Does anyone have any other suggestions or know why I'm having this problem? I'm going to try to wipe out the new hard drive and run dd on the whole 100g disk and reapply it to the 200G disk. And by the way, I'm running a ubuntu livecd to run these processes. Thanks, Will On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM, David Rosenstrauchdar...@darose.net wrote: solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: if think dd is the worst way to copy data between disk or partition i used to copy data from one partition to another the old way by using tar and a pipe tar -C /myfirst partition -csSf -|tar -C /mysecondpartition -xSsp rsync is not bad too. I also prefer to handle this type of things using tar, though without the pipe. I generally will generate a full tar archive of the original partition, then copy it over to the other disk and either fully untar it, or untar portions of it. The reason I go for the full archive is because I like to keep the tarball around afterwards in case I need to repeat the process, need to untar additional portions of it, etc. DR
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Roman, I did try the tar method with the same results. The only method I could see working would be the dd, but even looking at the mounted iso afterwards, permissions were not set. I should be seeing at least ownership by my username, or 'user #1000' but after copying (and yes, with 'cp -a') it still returns root. Will On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Roman Kyrylychroman.kyryl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:20, Will Siddallwill.sidd...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, After several attempts, I'm still back to trying to resolve this. To explain in more detail, I had a 100G hd with a root partition (with my Arch Install), a data partition and a swap. I managed to run dd on both partitions and in the new hd (200G) apply both. But that only worked partially due to the fact that it copied the ratios of file sizes rather than the actual file size... Copying 80G of data from a 30G partition doesn't quite sit well with me. Next step was to mount the iso images and copy the files. That's what I was in the process of doing of my last message and it worked... until I went to restart and update. What I found that was that my permissions and ownership info was not kept. Because of this, as soon as I went to update anything, the installers would run, but just delete the files (it deleted pacman and yaourt so I had to find a way to compile pacman to install again... until it tried to update all of my bin tools... then everything was gone). Now following all of your suggestions, I tried rsync -arpol and a variety of different other settings but it still doesn't keep the permissions. I tried running tar on the partition, still not working. Does anyone have any other suggestions or know why I'm having this problem? I'm going to try to wipe out the new hard drive and run dd on the whole 100g disk and reapply it to the 200G disk. And by the way, I'm running a ubuntu livecd to run these processes. Did you try the tar method? Also, when you copy files, did you use cp -a? You can also try partimage which makes copies of partitions. Doing full byte-to-byte copy of HDD and then doing partition/fs resize or creating an additional partition in empty space is my preferred method. -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
[arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
I know this isn't particularly an arch question, but I know Arch people are better off to ask then most. I'm in the process of upgrading my hard drive in my laptop but with the amounts of customizations I've done to my setup, I don't want to have to set it all up again. I know about running dd to copy the partition information, but the problem with that is that it also copies that partition information over. So, if I copy my root partition that started as a 40G partition with 90% used and now I have a 60G parition, the used portion will be kept at 90% so, it'll show something like 50G of data... which doesn't make sense. I've also just tried copying the partitions to an external, mount the iso's in a livecd session then copy the data over, but for some reason after I modified the menu.lst and fstab files to match my new setup and then restart, the computer doesn't boot. Is there something I'm missing in the second instance that I didn't change a file that should be changed? Is there a better way of copying the partitions so I don't run into this problem? Thanks, Will
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
That's what I wanted to do, but since I'm working in a laptop, I can only have one drive in at a time, which is making things really labour intensive. 1 question I do have is if I dd the entire disk (parition table and all) then reapply to a larger disk, would that keep everything intact or am I gonna run into the same problem? On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Dan McGeedpmc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Will Siddallwill.sidd...@gmail.com wrote: I know this isn't particularly an arch question, but I know Arch people are better off to ask then most. I'm in the process of upgrading my hard drive in my laptop but with the amounts of customizations I've done to my setup, I don't want to have to set it all up again. I know about running dd to copy the partition information, but the problem with that is that it also copies that partition information over. So, if I copy my root partition that started as a 40G partition with 90% used and now I have a 60G parition, the used portion will be kept at 90% so, it'll show something like 50G of data... which doesn't make sense. What about a dd followed by using parted/gparted or whatever to resize things as necessary? They have a good LiveCD too that you should be able to use to get things copied and then resized. I think gparted even has built in support for copying partitions; not sure if it can do it across drives. -Dan
Re: [arch-general] how to migrate installs between hard drives?
Thanks everyone for their suggestions. I'm really tempted to give each of these methods a try. For the time being, I did get it finished. Without having to take all the hardware apart, I just made a clean base install of arch onto the disk and use the livecd, mounted the iso and copied everything over. I'm up and running, but whenever this happens again, I'll be sure to give your suggestions a try (and at least it's documented). Thanks so much. Will On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Rafa Grimanrafagri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) On Sunday 26 July 2009 20:34:12 Van de Velde Erwin wrote: Another option is using rsync to copy all files to the other disk. This can be done with a temporary server storage if necessary. If you use the -a switch, it keeps permissions intact and works perfectly for Linux, not for Windows, but who uses that anyway? ;) I agree. I use rsync to migrate between drives. Haven't had any problems yet. As Erwin wrote, you can use the -a switch and also the -v and --progress. I do this booting with a LiveCD/USB image - rsync to the temp server/system - rsync back. Once you rsync back to your laptop with the new drive. Boot with the LiveCD/USB image and check things like fstab or /boot/grub/menu.lst because the ID will have changed. Maybe you have to boot a couple of times with the LiveCD/USB image because you forgot to edit this or that file. HTH Rafa On Sunday 26 July 2009, Nergar wrote: I think clonezilla could help you here. On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Will Siddallwill.sidd...@gmail.com wrote: I know this isn't particularly an arch question, but I know Arch people are better off to ask then most. I'm in the process of upgrading my hard drive in my laptop but with the amounts of customizations I've done to my setup, I don't want to have to set it all up again. I know about running dd to copy the partition information, but the problem with that is that it also copies that partition information over. So, if I copy my root partition that started as a 40G partition with 90% used and now I have a 60G parition, the used portion will be kept at 90% so, it'll show something like 50G of data... which doesn't make sense. What about a dd followed by using parted/gparted or whatever to resize things as necessary? They have a good LiveCD too that you should be able to use to get things copied and then resized. I think gparted even has built in support for copying partitions; not sure if it can do it across drives. -Dan -- We cannot treat computers as Humans. Computers need love. rgri...@skype.com rgri...@jabberes.org
Re: [arch-general] No updates in past week or so - my update problem or just no updates?
I've noticed that a lot of the mirrors I've been using have been having keeping in sync over the past couple of months. If I wanted to even install a package, I would have to set my mirrorslist to one of the more current ones, sync then install... but I can't always guarantee that I can connect to those mirrors. We know Arch is the most up to date (oswatershed.org), but what's wrong with the mirrors? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Patrick Brisbinpbris...@gmail.com wrote: i'd guess a mirror issue, no updates on arch in a week? never. i'd pick a new mirror and go -Syyu. luckily i've got IRC in the next terminal... 19:44 brisbin33 !mirrorcheck 19:44 phrik see the status of mirrors: http://users.archlinux.de/~gerbra/mirrorcheck.html http://www.archlinux.de/?page=MirrorStatus those should help you find a good mirror. cheers. On 07/22/09 at 06:38pm, David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, I have several boxes running arch. In the past week or so, I haven't had any updates. Is it my system not updating or have there been relatively few updates? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- patrick brisbin
Re: [arch-general] No updates in past week or so - my update problem or just no updates?
should really proof read what I write... meant to say that a lot of the mirrors that I've been using have been having trouble keeping in sync On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Will Siddallwill.sidd...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed that a lot of the mirrors I've been using have been having keeping in sync over the past couple of months. If I wanted to even install a package, I would have to set my mirrorslist to one of the more current ones, sync then install... but I can't always guarantee that I can connect to those mirrors. We know Arch is the most up to date (oswatershed.org), but what's wrong with the mirrors? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Patrick Brisbinpbris...@gmail.com wrote: i'd guess a mirror issue, no updates on arch in a week? never. i'd pick a new mirror and go -Syyu. luckily i've got IRC in the next terminal... 19:44 brisbin33 !mirrorcheck 19:44 phrik see the status of mirrors: http://users.archlinux.de/~gerbra/mirrorcheck.html http://www.archlinux.de/?page=MirrorStatus those should help you find a good mirror. cheers. On 07/22/09 at 06:38pm, David C. Rankin wrote: Listmates, I have several boxes running arch. In the past week or so, I haven't had any updates. Is it my system not updating or have there been relatively few updates? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- patrick brisbin
Re: [arch-general] AUR package version
Each of these packages are for a different purpose. Obviously amarok-svn is to download the latest amarok from subversion, amarok2-svn is so people get the latest build of amarok2 from subversion and amarok1 would be for those people who want the 1.4.10 build of amarok because they are reluctant to upgrade to 2 (such as myself). The update dates only reflect when the owner of the package made a change to the package details, it does not reflect the application itself (especially if it is coming from svn). If you want the latest application and you're using the svn packages, new code is usually submitted every night, so run your update every night for that package. Will On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Manne Merakmanneme...@gmail.com wrote: hollun...@gmx.at wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:59:51 +0300 Biru Ionut biru.io...@gmail.com wrote: hollun...@gmx.at wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:49:16 +0200 Manne Merak manneme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, how do I know which AUR package to use if there are multiples? check last updated date? For example, there is amarok-svn and amarok2-svn, but amarok2-svn was last updated in beginning of Jun, amarok-svn yesterday. Manne Are you sure they aren't for amarok and amarok2 respectively? update date doesn't matter for svn/cvs/git packages, they usually check out the last revision at the time you build the package. Philipp we should delete some of them. which are of those are deprecated? The svn/cvs/git was a general remark, in the case of amarok there seems to be only one svn package for amarok1 and amarok2 respectively, which is ok IMHO. Well, there is: amarok-svn amarok1 1.4.10-3 amarok2-svn I will use amarok2-svn. Manne
Re: [arch-general] Not able to do system updates
Marco, I'm not expecting anyone to be clairvoyant, that's why I'm asking for help :P - the disk has got 7G left on it - the internet is working fine. Like I mentioned, I'm able to download the update lists, but from that point it won't do anything else. Thanks, Will On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Marcodoma...@gmail.com wrote: Anything any of you might want me to try to figure this out, it'll be greatly appreciated. Any kind of error message? You know, I am not aware of clairvoyance capabilities showed by anyone on this list... Is your disk full (tried df -h?)? You can remove cached packages (downloaded and stored by pacman in some previous installation) with sudo pacman -Scc (answer yes to both questions). Is your internet connection working? Greetings, Marco
Re: [arch-general] Not able to do system updates
Thanks everyone for the responses. I can't be sure that it's the repository since I've been putting off upgrading my Amarok lately, so that's constantly in the list... and even that's gone now. And there is output from pacman, just 'No upgrades found' I just re-ran rankmirrors and tried again... no difference Will On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:57 AM, justin caratzasjustin.carat...@gmail.com wrote: I had this happen to me with the kernel upgrade, and its just the case of the repository mirror not being instantly updated. Thats how I learned to stop worrying and trust the pacman (and yaourt to some degree). justin On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Andrei Thorp gar...@gmail.com wrote: Excerpts from Will Siddall's message of Thu Jun 25 09:33:40 -0400 2009: I tried with 'sudo pacman -Su' and with 'yaourt -Su' and nothing. So... for the record, there is _no_ output from pacman? -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com) [...] or some clown changed the chips on a board and not its name. (Don't laugh! Look at the SMC etherpower for that.) -- from /usr/src/linux/MAINTAINERS
Re: [arch-general] Not able to do system updates
Thanks Thomas, I'll be sure to try that next time :P. Sorry to waste your time with this. On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Thomas Bächlertho...@archlinux.org wrote: Will Siddall schrieb: Alright, after looking up the mirror's list (http://users.archlinux.de/~gerbra/mirrorcheck.html), I pointed to one of the more recently updated mirrors and ran the update. This worked. I can download and upgrade my system. When I set my mirrors list back, and re-synchronize, everything is back to normal. Maybe you should have tried pacman -Syy, that often helps.
Re: [arch-general] Nautilus upgrade runs CPU at 100%
@Abhishek: Thanks for the heads up. I re-enabled desktop icons and it's back to normal. I'm getting the tracking number so I no when to switch back. For everyone else, I did have desktop icons switched off and I did get many windows of Loading File Manager almost making my system useless. After switching desktop-icons back on and upgrading Nautilus back to 2.26, everything's back to normal Thanks, Will On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Abhishek Dasgupta abh...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/11 Will Siddall will.sidd...@gmail.com: My last message, I didn't know what exactly was going on, but I knew it happened since the last Gnome upgrade to 2.26. After searching around, it starts at the gnome-session call when it tries to load Nautilus. So, I downgraded nautilus back 2.24.2 and everything goes back to normal. Now that I've narrowed it down to Nautilus, can someone tell me what's going on so I know what to look forward to at the next nautilus upgrade, or what I should check so I can get nautilus back to 2.26. Are you sure this has nothing to do with the Xorg 100% CPU bug? Also, if you experience many Starting file manager... windows at startup, then you can workaround by showing desktop icons for now. -- Abhishek
[arch-general] Nautilus upgrade runs CPU at 100%
Hey everyone, I already sent a message about this earlier but no one replied. So, I'm giving this another try. My last message, I didn't know what exactly was going on, but I knew it happened since the last Gnome upgrade to 2.26. After searching around, it starts at the gnome-session call when it tries to load Nautilus. So, I downgraded nautilus back 2.24.2 and everything goes back to normal. Now that I've narrowed it down to Nautilus, can someone tell me what's going on so I know what to look forward to at the next nautilus upgrade, or what I should check so I can get nautilus back to 2.26. Thanks, Will
[arch-general] System tools SMBConfig not running properly
Hey, I just ran a system update this morning which updated all of the new GNOME updates and some arch updates. The issue now is that after I restart, I find that the SystemBackendTools.pl script (especially for '-m SMBConfig') is running at full capacity. It also keeps opening a new loading window almost every second so that I can't see my running windows in the task panel anymore. Anyone know about this, or what could be causing it? Thanks, Will
[arch-general] Microphone issues on ICH7
Hey everyone, I've had this great HP laptop for the past 4 years with no need (of course there's always a want) to upgrade. And of all this time, I never had a problem with it, until now. Out of the past 4 years, I've never needed to use my microphone for anything, but lately I've been sent overseas a lot for work and needing to keep in contact, decided to start skype to call back home. That's when I noticed that my microphone didn't work at all. I thought it would be skype, but trying to use gnome-sound-recorder proved that to be wrong. Nothing is coming through. I've tried running 'alsaconf' again, I've tried a huge number of .asoundrc setups, using different microphones, everything that I can imagine. I'm out of ideas, would anyone have anything else I can try? Has anyone run into this problem before? Thanks, Will
Re: [arch-general] Microphone issues on ICH7
Thanks Péter, I've just gave that a try and didn't work. Is there a way that I could go about getting debug information from my sound card? I would like to know if this is a driver issue or if it's a hardware issue. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Avramucz Péter muczy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Try model=hp, in /etc/modprobe.d/options: options snd-hda-intel model=hp Then reboot, or reload snd-hda-intel, of course. Bye, muczy Will Siddall írta: Hey everyone, I've had this great HP laptop for the past 4 years with no need (of course there's always a want) to upgrade. And of all this time, I never had a problem with it, until now. Out of the past 4 years, I've never needed to use my microphone for anything, but lately I've been sent overseas a lot for work and needing to keep in contact, decided to start skype to call back home. That's when I noticed that my microphone didn't work at all. I thought it would be skype, but trying to use gnome-sound-recorder proved that to be wrong. Nothing is coming through. I've tried running 'alsaconf' again, I've tried a huge number of .asoundrc setups, using different microphones, everything that I can imagine. I'm out of ideas, would anyone have anything else I can try? Has anyone run into this problem before? Thanks, Will
Re: [arch-general] Keyboard's keymap now changed since evdev upgrade
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Jan de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 18:20 -0400, Will Siddall wrote: Right, but I'm not using KDE, I'm using Gnome. I've tried using an Evdev-managed keyboard, and I've tried using a generic pc105... all with no luck. Plus, I've already upgraded to 1.5.3-3. The same that applies to KDE(mod) also applies to GNOME. You need to setup your keyboard as evdev managed keyboard when using evdev. Also, if you're using weird xmodmap things, be sure those things don't set the model to pc105 anyways, as it will break the keymaps also. BTW: Is Gmail so braindead that it can't post plaintext to mailinglists? This HTML is really annoying. I set everything to evdev managed and I took out my keyboard configuration out of xorg.conf and everything is working great. Had to remap everything like I mentioned before, but that was probably a 30 minute job. Now, one thing is really bothering me. There was a few issues to clean up, but now my keyboard rate is all messed up. When I'm browsing around documents or what not, I can use my arrow keys to navigate. Hold them down and I get the action I want... except my Left and Down arrows. There's no shortcut associated to them amd they are mapped properly, I just can't do a rated repeat. Anyone have any tips on what I could look for? BTW: Jan, hope turning off HTML formatting helps you out.
