Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Storm Dragon]

Howdy,
No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will 
not allow me to use speakup in the console.  Interestingly enough, I read 
something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have 
found outdated info.
Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
thanks
Storm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:

Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things
on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so
when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything
went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which
should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the
~/.moc/config file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume.
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or
maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the
alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
lowers the volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is
there anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Michał Zegan]

I believe performance impact is very noticeable, especially I believe it 
would also be a latency impact.


W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:50, Christoph Gysin pisze:

The performance impact is hardly an issue on any modern machine you
will be running it.

The main concerns are regarding security.

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/SystemWide/http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/WhatIsWrongWithSystemWide/

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Michał Zegan
 wrote:

It is not recommended for, I believe, a good reason, including severe
performance impact.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:39, Christoph Gysin pisze:


While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as
a system-wide instance.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan
 wrote:

this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a
session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually
means it will have exactly those problems.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:


Howdy,
No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse
developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it
may
be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the
case,
cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with
orca.
No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid
pulse.
Thanks
Storm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon

wrote:

Howdy,
No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because
it
will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough,
I
read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So,
I
must
have found outdated info.
Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
thanks
Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:


Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:


Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
things
on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in
alsa,
so
when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc.
Everything
went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc
app,
which
should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in
the
~/.moc/config file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
volume.
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it
gives
this
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared
library
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from
alsa-plugins,
or
maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if
the
alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but
it
lowers the volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return
anything.
Is
there anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Christoph Gysin]

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon  wrote:
> Howdy,
> No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it
> will not allow me to use speakup in the console.  Interestingly enough, I
> read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must
> have found outdated info.
> Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
> thanks
> Storm
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>>
>> Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
>> pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
>> when it was started.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy,
>>> I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
>>> things
>>> on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so
>>> when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything
>>> went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
>>> which
>>> should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the
>>> ~/.moc/config file.
>>> It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
>>> volume.
>>> It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives
>>> this
>>> error:
>>> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library
>>> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
>>> This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or
>>> maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the
>>> alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
>>> lowers the volume on the whole system.
>>> I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is
>>> there anything I can install to fix this?
>>> Thanks for any help
>>> Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Michał Zegan]

this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a 
session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually 
means it will have exactly those problems.


W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:

Howdy,
No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the 
pulse developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some 
think it may be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which 
may be the case, cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment 
isn't loaded with orca.
No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid 
pulse.

Thanks
Storm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon 
 wrote:

Howdy,
No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it 
because it
will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly 
enough, I
read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. 
So, I must

have found outdated info.
Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
thanks
Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:


Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:


Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
things
on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in 
alsa, so
when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. 
Everything

went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
which
should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer 
in the

~/.moc/config file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
volume.
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it 
gives

this
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared 
library

/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from 
alsa-plugins, or
maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, 
if the
alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, 
but it

lowers the volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return 
anything. Is

there anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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[arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

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> Howdy,
> I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on 
> the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I 
> adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, 
> except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be 
> possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config 
> file.
> It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. 
> It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this 
> error:
> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library 
> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
> This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or 
> maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa 
> controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the 
> volume on the whole system.
> I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is 
> there anything I can install to fix this?
> Thanks for any help
> Storm
> 

my only guess would be to install this:

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/asoundpp-git/

as i see moc uses speex. just a guess though.

Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Storm Dragon]

Howdy,
thanks for the suggestion. I installed it, but still get the same error and the 
volume controls still do not work.
Thanks
Storm
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Subject: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC
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Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on 
the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I 
adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, 
except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be 
possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config 
file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. 
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this 
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library 
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe 
moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa 
controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the 
volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there 
anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm



my only guess would be to install this:

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/asoundpp-git/

as i see moc uses speex. just a guess though.


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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Christoph Gysin]

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:
> Howdy,
> I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things
> on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so
> when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything
> went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which
> should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the
> ~/.moc/config file.
> It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume.
> It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this
> error:
> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library
> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
> This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or
> maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the
> alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
> lowers the volume on the whole system.
> I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is
> there anything I can install to fix this?
> Thanks for any help
> Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Michał Zegan]

It is not recommended for, I believe, a good reason, including severe 
performance impact.


W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:39, Christoph Gysin pisze:

While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as
a system-wide instance.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan
 wrote:

this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a
session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually
means it will have exactly those problems.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:


Howdy,
No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse
developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may
be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case,
cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca.
No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse.
Thanks
Storm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon 
wrote:

Howdy,
No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because
it
will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I
read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I
must
have found outdated info.
Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
thanks
Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:


Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:


Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
things
on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa,
so
when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc.
Everything
went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
which
should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in
the
~/.moc/config file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
volume.
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives
this
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared
library
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins,
or
maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if
the
alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
lowers the volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything.
Is
there anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Christoph Gysin]

The performance impact is hardly an issue on any modern machine you
will be running it.

The main concerns are regarding security.

http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/SystemWide/http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/WhatIsWrongWithSystemWide/

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Michał Zegan
 wrote:
> It is not recommended for, I believe, a good reason, including severe
> performance impact.
>
> W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:39, Christoph Gysin pisze:
>
>> While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as
>> a system-wide instance.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a
>>> session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually
>>> means it will have exactly those problems.
>>>
>>> W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:
>>>
 Howdy,
 No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse
 developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it
 may
 be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the
 case,
 cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with
 orca.
 No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid
 pulse.
 Thanks
 Storm
 On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>
> Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
> be routed through pulseaudio.
>
> I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
> Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
> another plugin?
>
> What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy,
>> No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because
>> it
>> will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough,
>> I
>> read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So,
>> I
>> must
>> have found outdated info.
>> Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
>> thanks
>> Storm
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
>>> pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
>>> when it was started.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
>>>  wrote:


 Howdy,
 I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
 things
 on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in
 alsa,
 so
 when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc.
 Everything
 went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc
 app,
 which
 should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in
 the
 ~/.moc/config file.
 It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
 volume.
 It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it
 gives
 this
 error:
 ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared
 library
 /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
 This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from
 alsa-plugins,
 or
 maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if
 the
 alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but
 it
 lowers the volume on the whole system.
 I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return
 anything.
 Is
 there anything I can install to fix this?
 Thanks for any help
 Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Storm Dragon]

Howdy,
No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse 
developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may be 
speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case, cause I 
think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca.
No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse.
Thanks
Storm
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon  wrote:

Howdy,
No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it
will not allow me to use speakup in the console.  Interestingly enough, I
read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must
have found outdated info.
Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
thanks
Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:


Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
 wrote:


Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
things
on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so
when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything
went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
which
should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the
~/.moc/config file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
volume.
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives
this
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or
maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the
alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
lowers the volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is
there anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[kendell clark]

On 09/26/2015 08:26 AM, Christoph Gysin wrote:
> Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
> be routed through pulseaudio.
> 
> I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
> Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
> another plugin?
> 
> What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon  
> wrote:
>> Howdy,
>> No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it
>> will not allow me to use speakup in the console.  Interestingly enough, I
>> read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must
>> have found outdated info.
>> Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
>> thanks
>> Storm
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
>>> pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
>>> when it was started.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
>>>  wrote:

 Howdy,
 I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
 things
 on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so
 when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything
 went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
 which
 should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the
 ~/.moc/config file.
 It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
 volume.
 It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives
 this
 error:
 ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library
 /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
 This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or
 maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the
 alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
 lowers the volume on the whole system.
 I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is
 there anything I can install to fix this?
 Thanks for any help
 Storm
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> 
hi
Speakup and pulse audio don't get along primarily because speakup is
built into the kernel as a module, meaning any speech synthesizers taht
talk to it have to be ran as root. If speakup is started before
pulseaudio starts, you'll get a situation where you get speech in the
desktop but not speech outside it. I'm not completely sure what the
cause is, but if you start espeakup, which is the espeak connector to
speakup after your desktop or pulse audio is started, it works, although
it's a little laggy. This sounds like a probme either for the speakup or
the pulseaudio people, but both deny responsibility for the problem,
urging me to bug the other, so nothing gets done. The only real
solution, if it can be called that, is to use speech-dispatcher with
speakup through a program called speechdup. But this program is long
abandoned and only works even half way in vinux, which is based off of
ubuntu.
Thanks
Kendell clark

Re: [arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Christoph Gysin]

While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as
a system-wide instance.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan
 wrote:
> this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a
> session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually
> means it will have exactly those problems.
>
> W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:
>
>> Howdy,
>> No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse
>> developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may
>> be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case,
>> cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca.
>> No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse.
>> Thanks
>> Storm
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>>>
>>> Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will
>>> be routed through pulseaudio.
>>>
>>> I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it.
>>> Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into
>>> another plugin?
>>>
>>> What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon 
>>> wrote:

 Howdy,
 No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because
 it
 will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I
 read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I
 must
 have found outdated info.
 Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself?
 thanks
 Storm

 On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:
>
>
> Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with
> pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink
> when it was started.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Howdy,
>> I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and
>> things
>> on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa,
>> so
>> when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc.
>> Everything
>> went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app,
>> which
>> should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in
>> the
>> ~/.moc/config file.
>> It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the
>> volume.
>> It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives
>> this
>> error:
>> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared
>> library
>> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
>> This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins,
>> or
>> maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if
>> the
>> alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it
>> lowers the volume on the whole system.
>> I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything.
>> Is
>> there anything I can install to fix this?
>> Thanks for any help
>> Storm
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[arch-general] Alsa Softvol and MOC

[Storm Dragon]

Howdy,
I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on 
the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I 
adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, 
except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be 
possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config 
file.
It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. 
It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this 
error:
ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library 
/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so
This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe 
moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa 
controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the 
volume on the whole system.
I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there 
anything I can install to fix this?
Thanks for any help
Storm
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