[arch-general] Archlinux is for everyone
Em Sáb, 2011-07-09 às 11:49 -0300, Bernardo Barros escreveu: Apple is just about to open a big (computer/ipad/i-xxx) factory in Brazil. It is growing and invading various niches here, which is equally threatening to freedom... But now we have ArchAudio that will prove an strong alternative in the fields of Music and ProAudio too! =) Hello again, Ipad (i have a one, my son, too and so my gand-son) it is a great peace of machine+software, but here it is expensive (2 times the price of the notebook), and so is out of the possibilities of a 80% of the population. In my master (administration) they show me that while everyone is trying to sell everything to the 10% top of the social pyramid, they forget that the other 90% have needs, and one of the TOP needs is education (learning) and so they need computers and internet. Here (Brazil) the price of the desktop is the same of a notebook, so people prefer the notebook, small ones, (1Gb memory, 160Gb hd, celerom/atom)... Here I bought several notebooks HD (sansung 160GB or sansung 320GB) install archlinux (cloning the filesystem), so I always have about 5 units ready when I receive a notebook, I open it, change the HD, boot it, fix the Xserver config, and it is ready, usually a 10-15 minutes work time... Sometimes I had to install gnome-ppp to support 3G/gprs network. People use Linux because it is easy, and cheaper, (even if windows is for free: pirate one), they charge for installing it over and over again.. so Linux is cheaper. better.. Sergio
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Apple devices stopped looking appealing to me when people around me started getting them and I found out how much control Apple has over what people do with their devices, especially i-devices, iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc. And now that they have brought their twisted concept of an app store to MacOS, they will start controlling desktops and notebooks in the same way most likely. Heck, even Microsoft doesn't try to take so much control of a computer as Apple does. I choose Arch Linux for all compatible machines. The installation process is a bit daunting for some people, but that is because of its flexibility and numerous customization options. However, once it's up and running, there's nothing better. I have total freedom to put anything on my computer that I want and leave off anything I don't want. If there's something I can't find in the official repositories or the AUR, it is extremely easy to add something to the AUR, and I could eventually find that same package in the official repositories if enough people like and use it. The packaging system is actually easier to manage than Ubuntu/Debian/derivatives, not to mention the fact that it's much easier to create a package build file even than it is to create an RPM spec file. All that, plus most packages work out of the box with minimal configuration, and where they do need some user interactions for configuration, the installation script prints a message that indicates what needs to be done. So Arch Linux may not be for everyone who wishes to have a quick diy install, but I wouldn't hesitate to install it for anyone, even those who are new to Linux in general. ~Kyle
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On Saturday, July 09, 2011 01:11:22 PM Kyle wrote: Apple devices stopped looking appealing to me when people around me started getting them and I found out how much control Apple has over what people do with their devices, especially i-devices, iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc. And now that they have brought their twisted concept of an app store to MacOS, they will start controlling desktops and notebooks in the same way most likely. Heck, even Microsoft doesn't try to take so much control of a computer as Apple does. (snip) For me it was that, and the fact Apple has a ridiculous markup on products that bring less features and capability. I never bought into the iPhone hype, finding I could do more with my ancient Treo and now, my Droid. The macs are a disgrace. Why should mid-range PCs be priced like top-of-the- line gaming rigs? ~Kyle
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On 07/09/2011 12:15 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: On Saturday, July 09, 2011 01:11:22 PM Kyle wrote: Apple devices stopped looking appealing to me when people around me started getting them and I found out how much control Apple has over what people do with their devices, especially i-devices, iPod, iPad, iPhone, etc. And now that they have brought their twisted concept of an app store to MacOS, they will start controlling desktops and notebooks in the same way most likely. Heck, even Microsoft doesn't try to take so much control of a computer as Apple does. (snip) For me it was that, and the fact Apple has a ridiculous markup on products that bring less features and capability. I never bought into the iPhone hype, finding I could do more with my ancient Treo and now, my Droid. The macs are a disgrace. Why should mid-range PCs be priced like top-of-the- line gaming rigs? because ooh, shiny! ~Kyle
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On 9 July 2011 19:15, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: The macs are a disgrace. Why should mid-range PCs be priced like top-of-the- line gaming rigs? As long as people are prepared to pay for it, why not? I'd never pay that much for a mid-range PC, but some people do. As long as we have the choice not to buy Apple PC's, I couldn't care less. I do have a problem with other manufacturers selling more and more speaker sets and navigation systems with ONLY an iPhone connector, and no support for the numerous other phones out there. -- Vic Demuzere
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On 09-07-2011 18:15, Yaro Kasear wrote: The macs are a disgrace. Why should mid-range PCs be priced like top-of-the- line gaming rigs? Because they are imagical, they have the wifis and the bigger GBs and dont forget the apps. Just don't hold it iwrong :p -- Mauro Santos
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Same case here in India. We buy, suppose a lenovo laptop(standard config - core i3, 15 LCD, 2GB RAM, 160 GB HDD), for 35,000 INR. However the price of the lowest apple laptop is about 65,000 INR (with student discounts). So the number of Apple laptops used is very low. Also I have never touched an android,ios or blackbery device till date. Its because they are so costly that none of my close relatives and friends can afford these(forget about me. I am very poor. :P). Most OEMS now provide genuine windows 7 with their machines, which I believe is a pretty good OS. So the number of pirated windows users who bought a new laptop since about november last year are very low. But almost all of my friends have Linux Mint installed. And I am trying hard to get it installed on as many computers as possible. Some of my friends have even started using ArchLinux. Thanks.
