Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[David J. Haines]

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 06:08:32PM +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:

I see, so I can continue upgrading the system. This time, I only want to 
upgrade the system, and rebuild the kernel. When I need other operations, I 
will backup all data first.
I will continue posting, thank you!


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu
http://web.missouri.edu/~rcrg4/


From: arch-general  on behalf of Ralf Mardorf 

Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:04 PM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman andupdating the 
filesystem


On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:49 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> By the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence
> the system, not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I
> think that correct? Or lack of experience.

Correct, but accidents happen, so _backup_ your data.


On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:58 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:

Ok, I have about 2T data there,  I need to go by a external disk to
back up the data, and then updating the system. Thank you


Sorry for my broken English. I guess "accidents happen" does mean that
sometimes data is touched by upgrades, but it isn't. I wanted to say
that when fixing a broken install, then you could make a mistake, an
accident, that will damage your data.

Btw., please don't top post,




No, not "please don't stop posting," but rather "please don't top post."
In other words, your responses should be at the bottom of the e-mail so
that people can read from the top down and understand what's going on.

Good luck!
--
David J. Haines
djhai...@gmx.com
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Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

I see, so I can continue upgrading the system. This time, I only want to 
upgrade the system, and rebuild the kernel. When I need other operations, I 
will backup all data first.  
I will continue posting, thank you!


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu
http://web.missouri.edu/~rcrg4/


From: arch-general  on behalf of Ralf 
Mardorf 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:04 PM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman andupdating the 
filesystem

> On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:49 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> > By the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence
> > the system, not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I
> > think that correct? Or lack of experience.
>
> Correct, but accidents happen, so _backup_ your data.

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:58 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> Ok, I have about 2T data there,  I need to go by a external disk to
> back up the data, and then updating the system. Thank you

Sorry for my broken English. I guess "accidents happen" does mean that
sometimes data is touched by upgrades, but it isn't. I wanted to say
that when fixing a broken install, then you could make a mistake, an
accident, that will damage your data.

Btw., please don't top post,

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

> On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:49 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> > By the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence
> > the system, not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I
> > think that correct? Or lack of experience.
> 
> Correct, but accidents happen, so _backup_ your data.

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:58 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> Ok, I have about 2T data there,  I need to go by a external disk to
> back up the data, and then updating the system. Thank you

Sorry for my broken English. I guess "accidents happen" does mean that
sometimes data is touched by upgrades, but it isn't. I wanted to say
that when fixing a broken install, then you could make a mistake, an
accident, that will damage your data.

Btw., please don't top post,

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Ok, I have about 2T data there,  I need to go by a external disk to back up the 
data, and then updating the system. Thank you so much!



Renzhi Cao


From: arch-general  on behalf of Ralf 
Mardorf 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 11:56 AM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman andupdating the 
filesystem

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:49 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> By the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence
> the system, not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I
> think that correct? Or lack of experience.

Correct, but accidents happen, so _backup_ your data.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 17:49 +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> By the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence
> the system, not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I
> think that correct? Or lack of experience.

Correct, but accidents happen, so _backup_ your data.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

I never think in this way, thank you so much, I like your idea. Now, I will 
first try to fix this computer, and I have another computer, now is in XP 
system, I plan to install a arch linux there :) Thank you!


Renzhi Cao
Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Ralf 
Mardorf 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 11:47 AM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating   the 
filesystem

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 12:40 -0500, Kinney Baughman wrote:
> you could already have a new box up and running, one that
> you can be sure is trim and solid

and you will not learn something useful, if you try to repair your
broken install. You will learn what to do and forget what you learned,
because you won't need to do this things that often. Better make a new
install and then update your Arch more often. From time to time take a
look at the news on https://www.archlinux.org/ .

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Dear Kinney:
  Thank you so much!  I already learn a lot since my system crash. I would 
like to thank all people helping me or giving me any suggestions. If I choose 
re-install at the beginning based on the wiki instruction, I will not learn 
anything through that. 
  I plan to try reinstall the problem packages, and upgrade the system. By 
the way, I am thinking the upgrading process will only influence the system, 
not my data partition. I still need suggestions, am I think that correct? Or 
lack of experience. Thank you all again!



Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Kinney 
Baughman 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 11:43 AM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacmanand updating
the filesystem

On 03/08/2014 11:53 AM, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> Hi,
> I can reinstall the system any time, but I can learn more when trying 
> to fix the problem.  Thank you very much!
Ah.  Sorry.  I didn't read this before I posted.

But I will say this while I'm here.  Yes.  You can learn a lot by going through 
the fix.

But, believe me, you'll have plenty of opportunities to learn systemd once you 
get your
system up and going!  So don't think your learning opportunities are over. :-)  
It just
depends on how soon you want to get on with it.

Again.  Good luck.

--

Kinney

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 12:40 -0500, Kinney Baughman wrote:
> you could already have a new box up and running, one that 
> you can be sure is trim and solid

and you will not learn something useful, if you try to repair your
broken install. You will learn what to do and forget what you learned,
because you won't need to do this things that often. Better make a new
install and then update your Arch more often. From time to time take a
look at the news on https://www.archlinux.org/ .

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Kinney Baughman]

On 03/08/2014 11:53 AM, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:

Hi,
I can reinstall the system any time, but I can learn more when trying 
to fix the problem.  Thank you very much!

Ah.  Sorry.  I didn't read this before I posted.

But I will say this while I'm here.  Yes.  You can learn a lot by going through 
the fix.

But, believe me, you'll have plenty of opportunities to learn systemd once you get your 
system up and going!  So don't think your learning opportunities are over. :-)  It just 
depends on how soon you want to get on with it.


Again.  Good luck.

--

Kinney

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Kinney Baughman]

On 03/08/2014 01:13 AM, Bigby James wrote:

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 03:56:28AM +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:

I plan to use :
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep GRUB
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep LILO

to check the bootloader I have. I am really new to arch linux, but I want to 
fix that problem. It seems I almost fix the problem, just solve the lilo and 
grub-common problem.  If I reinstall arch linux, that could be more difficult 
for me, and I am afraid of losing my data in the system.




Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



Well, obviously you're going to make backups before you go about messing with
highly sensitive parts of your system, especially when using dd, right? And take
my word, and the word of every other Archer for it: If reinstalling by following
the *Beginner's Guide* is too difficult for you, the previously posted, advanced
update guide will be much harder, and Arch is likely not the right distribution
for you.


Ditto what Bigby says.

I've been refraining from making a similar post.  But honestly, Renzhi, your best bet at 
this stage of the game is to backup and re-install Arch.  By the time you slug through all 
the suggestions in this thread, you could already have a new box up and running, one that 
you can be sure is trim and solid.


Good luck.

--

Kinney

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Hi,
   I can reinstall the system any time, but I can learn more when trying to 
fix the problem.  Thank you very much!


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu


From: arch-general  on behalf of Bigby 
James 
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2014 12:13 AM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating   the 
filesystem

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 03:56:28AM +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> I plan to use :
> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep GRUB
> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep LILO
>
> to check the bootloader I have. I am really new to arch linux, but I want to 
> fix that problem. It seems I almost fix the problem, just solve the lilo and 
> grub-common problem.  If I reinstall arch linux, that could be more difficult 
> for me, and I am afraid of losing my data in the system.
>
>
>
>
> Renzhi Cao
>
> Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu
>
> 

Well, obviously you're going to make backups before you go about messing with
highly sensitive parts of your system, especially when using dd, right? And take
my word, and the word of every other Archer for it: If reinstalling by following
the *Beginner's Guide* is too difficult for you, the previously posted, advanced
update guide will be much harder, and Arch is likely not the right distribution
for you.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Bigby James]

On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 03:56:28AM +, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student) wrote:
> I plan to use :
> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep GRUB
> dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep LILO
> 
> to check the bootloader I have. I am really new to arch linux, but I want to 
> fix that problem. It seems I almost fix the problem, just solve the lilo and 
> grub-common problem.  If I reinstall arch linux, that could be more difficult 
> for me, and I am afraid of losing my data in the system. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Renzhi Cao
> 
> Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu
> 
> 

Well, obviously you're going to make backups before you go about messing with
highly sensitive parts of your system, especially when using dd, right? And take
my word, and the word of every other Archer for it: If reinstalling by following
the *Beginner's Guide* is too difficult for you, the previously posted, advanced
update guide will be much harder, and Arch is likely not the right distribution
for you.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

I plan to use :
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep GRUB
dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 2>&1 | grep LILO

to check the bootloader I have. I am really new to arch linux, but I want to 
fix that problem. It seems I almost fix the problem, just solve the lilo and 
grub-common problem.  If I reinstall arch linux, that could be more difficult 
for me, and I am afraid of losing my data in the system. 




Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu


From: arch-general  on behalf of WorMzy 
Tykashi 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:44 PM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the   
filesystem

On 8 March 2014 03:29, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)  wrote:
> I am not sure which one is used as my boot loader, could you please tell me 
> how to check that?  I am thinking using this following command:
>
> #pacman -Rs lilo
> #pacman -Rs grub-common
> #pacman -S grub
>
> Is that correct?
> Thank you so much!
>
>
>
>
>
> Renzhi Cao
>
> Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu

You are new to Arch Linux, but you have an Arch Linux system that
pre-dates the usr-bin move from over seven months ago? :/

You don't even know what boot loader you're using??

Give up with this installation. Reinstall Arch from an up-to-date
installation media, and follow the beginner's guide. I think you will
learn more by doing this than trying to fix your current installation.

Regards,


WorMzy

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[WorMzy Tykashi]

On 8 March 2014 03:29, Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)  wrote:
> I am not sure which one is used as my boot loader, could you please tell me 
> how to check that?  I am thinking using this following command:
>
> #pacman -Rs lilo
> #pacman -Rs grub-common
> #pacman -S grub
>
> Is that correct?
> Thank you so much!
>
>
>
>
>
> Renzhi Cao
>
> Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu

You are new to Arch Linux, but you have an Arch Linux system that
pre-dates the usr-bin move from over seven months ago? :/

You don't even know what boot loader you're using??

Give up with this installation. Reinstall Arch from an up-to-date
installation media, and follow the beginner's guide. I think you will
learn more by doing this than trying to fix your current installation.

Regards,


WorMzy

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

I am not sure which one is used as my boot loader, could you please tell me how 
to check that?  I am thinking using this following command:

#pacman -Rs lilo
#pacman -Rs grub-common
#pacman -S grub

Is that correct?
Thank you so much!





Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of WorMzy 
Tykashi 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 8:52 PM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the   
filesystem

On 8 March 2014 02:23, Doug Newgard  wrote:
> 
>> From: rc...@mail.missouri.edu
>> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:30:59 -0600
>> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the 
>> filesystem
>>
>> Hi, it seems your method is really complex. Is there any simple way? For my 
>> case, do you know how to fix the problem of lilo and grub-common?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Yeah, but either updating them to something that's actually in the repos or 
> by updating the PKGBUILD to not put files in the old dirs and rebuild.
s:but:by:

To clarify -- grub-comon is now simply grub (grub itself was dropped
to the AUR some time ago, and grub2 was renamed 'grub' in it's place).
If you are using grub2 as your boot loader, install the "grub" package
from your chroot, and remove the lilo and grub-common packages.

If you are booting with lilo, remove grub-common and update lilo.(now
at 24.0-3 in the AUR).


WorMzy

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Thank you. Could you give me more details about updating them? I am new to arch 
linux, can I try to uninstall them, and later after my problem solved, install 
the new one by pacman?


Renzhi Cao
Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Doug 
Newgard 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 8:23 PM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem


> From: rc...@mail.missouri.edu
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:30:59 -0600
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the 
> filesystem
>
> Hi, it seems your method is really complex. Is there any simple way? For my 
> case, do you know how to fix the problem of lilo and grub-common?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Yeah, but either updating them to something that's actually in the repos or by 
updating the PKGBUILD to not put files in the old dirs and rebuild.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[WorMzy Tykashi]

On 8 March 2014 02:23, Doug Newgard  wrote:
> 
>> From: rc...@mail.missouri.edu
>> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:30:59 -0600
>> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
>> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the 
>> filesystem
>>
>> Hi, it seems your method is really complex. Is there any simple way? For my 
>> case, do you know how to fix the problem of lilo and grub-common?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Yeah, but either updating them to something that's actually in the repos or 
> by updating the PKGBUILD to not put files in the old dirs and rebuild.
s:but:by:

To clarify -- grub-comon is now simply grub (grub itself was dropped
to the AUR some time ago, and grub2 was renamed 'grub' in it's place).
If you are using grub2 as your boot loader, install the "grub" package
from your chroot, and remove the lilo and grub-common packages.

If you are booting with lilo, remove grub-common and update lilo.(now
at 24.0-3 in the AUR).


WorMzy

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Doug Newgard]

> From: rc...@mail.missouri.edu
> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 19:30:59 -0600
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the 
> filesystem
>
> Hi, it seems your method is really complex. Is there any simple way? For my 
> case, do you know how to fix the problem of lilo and grub-common?
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Yeah, but either updating them to something that's actually in the repos or by 
updating the PKGBUILD to not put files in the old dirs and rebuild. 
   

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Hi, it seems your method is really complex. Is there any simple way? For my 
case, do you know how to fix the problem of lilo and grub-common?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 17:18, Nowaker  wrote:

> It seems OP is already done, but I hope this will by useful for anyone 
> struggling to upgrade a VERY old Arch Linux.
> 
> Warning: this is only for experienced users. Beginners do the backups and 
> install Arch from scratch.
> 
> Before proceeding, be sure to have several ssh sessions, logged as root. 
> Don't rely on sudo. If your session dies in the middle of the process, LiveCD 
> and VNC will be your only help. SSH won't let you in because it won't be able 
> to exec the shell.
> 
> pacman -Sy
> pacman -Sd pacman-static coreutils-static #1
> sed -i 's@PackageRequired@Never #PackageRequired@' /etc/pacman.conf #2
> pacman -Syu #3
> pacman -Su --ignore filesystem,glibc,gcc-libs,gcc-libs-multilib
> pacman-static -Sd glibc --ignore filesystem #4
> pacman-static -S filesystem
> pacman-static -S gcc-libs gcc libtool
> pacman -S pacman libarchive package-query
> pacman -S ca-certificates #5
> pacman -Syu
> pacman -S mkinitcpio grub systemd #6
> mkinitcpio -p linux
> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
> sed -i 's@Never #PackageRequired@PackageRequired@' /etc/pacman.conf
> 
> 
> Why pacman-static? Because during the process you will end up with a broken 
> system that is not able to execute anything because of mismatch between glibc 
> (will be newer) and libraries (will be older). You won't be able to call 
> pacman at some stage, so you need a statically compiled pacman.
> 
> Why coreutils-static? Just in case. No binary from coreutils is used in my 
> guide, but if anything happens - static coreutils is your rescue. Find them 
> in /rescue/bin.
> 
> 
> During the process you may see lots of errors reported by pacman - cannot 
> exec, or something like that. You can't help this. If a package does some 
> important stuff in .install script, you should reinstall the package after 
> the process yourself.
> 
> 
> #1 I have these packages in my private repo; you need to build them yourself 
> from AUR.
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pacman-static/
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/coreutils-static/
> 
> #2 In a (temporarily) broken Arch Linux, pacman can't check signatures 
> because it's either trying to execute or dynamically link some library. It 
> won't work. We have to disable signature checking.
> 
> #3 It will fail; done just to download all files to disk.
> 
> #4 glibc used to own the directories that currently filesystem owns; we 
> upgrade glibc to get rid of these directories, so filesystem can be installed 
> smoothly in the next step
> 
> #5 Depending on how old your Arch is, it's possible that ca-certificates's 
> .install script was not properly run when -Syu was performed, so it has to be 
> done again.
> 
> #6 In case they contain something important in .install which could fail 
> during the first -Syu
> 
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Damian Nowak
> StratusHost
> www.AtlasHost.eu

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Nowaker]

It seems OP is already done, but I hope this will by useful for anyone 
struggling to upgrade a VERY old Arch Linux.


Warning: this is only for experienced users. Beginners do the backups 
and install Arch from scratch.


Before proceeding, be sure to have several ssh sessions, logged as root. 
Don't rely on sudo. If your session dies in the middle of the process, 
LiveCD and VNC will be your only help. SSH won't let you in because it 
won't be able to exec the shell.


pacman -Sy
pacman -Sd pacman-static coreutils-static #1
sed -i 's@PackageRequired@Never #PackageRequired@' /etc/pacman.conf #2
pacman -Syu #3
pacman -Su --ignore filesystem,glibc,gcc-libs,gcc-libs-multilib
pacman-static -Sd glibc --ignore filesystem #4
pacman-static -S filesystem
pacman-static -S gcc-libs gcc libtool
pacman -S pacman libarchive package-query
pacman -S ca-certificates #5
pacman -Syu
pacman -S mkinitcpio grub systemd #6
mkinitcpio -p linux
grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
sed -i 's@Never #PackageRequired@PackageRequired@' /etc/pacman.conf


Why pacman-static? Because during the process you will end up with a 
broken system that is not able to execute anything because of mismatch 
between glibc (will be newer) and libraries (will be older). You won't 
be able to call pacman at some stage, so you need a statically compiled 
pacman.


Why coreutils-static? Just in case. No binary from coreutils is used in 
my guide, but if anything happens - static coreutils is your rescue. 
Find them in /rescue/bin.



During the process you may see lots of errors reported by pacman - 
cannot exec, or something like that. You can't help this. If a package 
does some important stuff in .install script, you should reinstall the 
package after the process yourself.



#1 I have these packages in my private repo; you need to build them 
yourself from AUR.

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/pacman-static/
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/coreutils-static/

#2 In a (temporarily) broken Arch Linux, pacman can't check signatures 
because it's either trying to execute or dynamically link some library. 
It won't work. We have to disable signature checking.


#3 It will fail; done just to download all files to disk.

#4 glibc used to own the directories that currently filesystem owns; we 
upgrade glibc to get rid of these directories, so filesystem can be 
installed smoothly in the next step


#5 Depending on how old your Arch is, it's possible that 
ca-certificates's .install script was not properly run when -Syu was 
performed, so it has to be done again.


#6 In case they contain something important in .install which could fail 
during the first -Syu


--
Kind regards,
Damian Nowak
StratusHost
www.AtlasHost.eu

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Hi, 
  Continue previous email, I think the warning of "core" does not exists if 
fixed.
   I try this command: #pacman -Syu mkinitcpio systemd linux
  Finally, it shows:
 error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
filesystem: /bin exists in filesystem
filesystem: /sbin exists in filesystem
filesystem: /usr/sbin exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
 
  I try : #pacman -Qqo /bin /sbin /usr/sbin | pacman -Qm –( based on 
the instruction from: 
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/)

  I get the following information:

sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
lilo 23.2-3
grub-common 2.00-1
sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
lilo 23.2-3

How can I fix this? 
   
   I checked the /bin,/sbin,/usr/sbin, I find out the following file may 
contain the package need to fixed:
  /sbin/lilo
  /usr/sbin/liloconfig
  /usr/sbin/lilo-uuid-diskid
 /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup, 
grub-mkconfig,ofpathname,reboot,sparc64setup,install,mknetdir,probe,set-default

 #find /bin /sbin /usr/sbin -exec pacman -Qo -- {} + >/dev/null ,  have no 
output
 I don't have any packages in IgnorePkg or IgnoreGroup.
 

 
 Thank you all. 


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu


From: arch-general  on behalf of Cao, 
Renzhi (MU-Student) 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 3:52 PM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating   the 
filesystem

Hi,
 Before my system crash, I try this link:
 
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/
 And I only get few non-official packages in /bin, /sbin, usr/sbin:
 sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
 lilo 23.2-3
 grub-common 2.00-1
 sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
 lilo 23.2-3

 Today, I use arch chroot to the system, and run : #pacman -Qqo /bin /sbin 
/usr/sbin | pacman -Qm –
 I get a long list, for a lot of files:
 grub common 2.0.0
 lilo 23.2-3
 linux-atm 2.5.2-2
 openssh 6.2p1-1
 ppp 2.4.5-4
 sudo
 syslinux
 vpnc
 util-linux
 wireless_tool
 .
 A lot, I cannot list all of them. And I try this command: #find /bin /sbin 
/usr/sbin -exec pacman -Qo -- {} + >/dev/null
 I get the warning:
 Warning: database file for "core" does not exist
 Warning: database file for "extra" does not exist
 Warning: database file for "community" does not exist

  By the way, the network problem is fixed, now my system can connect to 
the internet to download packages.
  What should I do now?  Should I use mv command to move all files in 
/bin,/sbin,/usr/sbin to /usr/bin directly?
  Can I still update the filesystem in this case?

  Thank you all helping me.



Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Simon 
Brand 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:23 AM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the   
filesystem

Am 07.03.2014 08:13, schrieb Caorenzhi:
> Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them 
> directly and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot access 
> the internet this time, can I still use that command?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:
>
>> Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
>>> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
>>> reinstall my arch linux system?
>>
>> I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
>> update more frequently ;)
>>
>> Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
>> shouldnt be any files. You can try then
>> pacman -S filesystem
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>

Where are these files from? Are they from some AUR packages?
You can check this with
pacman -Qo /path/to/file

Do NOT remove then. If they are from AUR packages, remove them, update
filesystem and then reinstall them.

You could probably try to move them to /usr/bin and then update.

You need the internet to download the new filesystem package. You could
download it on another system, check the signature, copy it to the
broken system and then install it with pacman -U /path/to/package

You should know best, how to access the internet in your network.
The livesystem only trys to dhcpcd, do you have WLan?

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Hi,
 Before my system crash, I try this link: 
 
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/
 And I only get few non-official packages in /bin, /sbin, usr/sbin:
 sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
 lilo 23.2-3 
 grub-common 2.00-1
 sysvinit-tool 2.88-9
 lilo 23.2-3

 Today, I use arch chroot to the system, and run : #pacman -Qqo /bin /sbin 
/usr/sbin | pacman -Qm –
 I get a long list, for a lot of files:
 grub common 2.0.0
 lilo 23.2-3
 linux-atm 2.5.2-2
 openssh 6.2p1-1
 ppp 2.4.5-4
 sudo
 syslinux
 vpnc
 util-linux
 wireless_tool
 .
 A lot, I cannot list all of them. And I try this command: #find /bin /sbin 
/usr/sbin -exec pacman -Qo -- {} + >/dev/null
 I get the warning:
 Warning: database file for "core" does not exist
 Warning: database file for "extra" does not exist
 Warning: database file for "community" does not exist
 
  By the way, the network problem is fixed, now my system can connect to 
the internet to download packages. 
  What should I do now?  Should I use mv command to move all files in 
/bin,/sbin,/usr/sbin to /usr/bin directly? 
  Can I still update the filesystem in this case? 

  Thank you all helping me.
  


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Simon 
Brand 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:23 AM
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the   
filesystem

Am 07.03.2014 08:13, schrieb Caorenzhi:
> Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them 
> directly and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot access 
> the internet this time, can I still use that command?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:
>
>> Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
>>> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
>>> reinstall my arch linux system?
>>
>> I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
>> update more frequently ;)
>>
>> Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
>> shouldnt be any files. You can try then
>> pacman -S filesystem
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>

Where are these files from? Are they from some AUR packages?
You can check this with
pacman -Qo /path/to/file

Do NOT remove then. If they are from AUR packages, remove them, update
filesystem and then reinstall them.

You could probably try to move them to /usr/bin and then update.

You need the internet to download the new filesystem package. You could
download it on another system, check the signature, copy it to the
broken system and then install it with pacman -U /path/to/package

You should know best, how to access the internet in your network.
The livesystem only trys to dhcpcd, do you have WLan?

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Anatol Pomozov]

Hi

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 16:21 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> If the last time you updated was before 2012-11-04, there's a good
>> chance you never made the switch to systemd, which will make things
>> even harder for you.
>
> ... for several reasons, e.g. eth0 likely will become enp3s0.

The interface name depends on hardware configuration. See
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
for more information.

Just type 'ip a' and you'll see all the network interface names.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 16:21 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> If the last time you updated was before 2012-11-04, there's a good
> chance you never made the switch to systemd, which will make things
> even harder for you.

... for several reasons, e.g. eth0 likely will become enp3s0.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 16:15 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> You are right, only files in /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin should be gone.
> Everything should be in /usr/bin after the update.

JFTR if I build packages for private usage, I prefer to install
to /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin, those packages won't cause issues.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 04:20 -0300, Andres Fernandez wrote:
> I think you should boot with an Arch Installer, then chroot and try to fix
> your system removing the package that has files on those directories,
> following the steps on the Arch news about this issue. An then update
> again. I think that this will solve your trouble.

Using a live media with systemd the OP could avoid using chroot and use

$ sudo systemd-nspawn -D /mnt/point/for/arch

which IMO is less work than a chroot.

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Paul Gideon Dann]

On Friday 07 Mar 2014 09:26:19 Caorenzhi wrote:
> Thank you! I remember when I run the command to find out the packages I
> should remove, it shows: lilo, grub-common, initvlinux( something like
> this), but I don't know how to move them to /usr/bin. I try directly mv
> lilo to /usr/bin, and use the command to search which package I should
> remove, it seems the lilo is still there. And I don't know which files
> belong to initvlinux, or grub-common, there are a lot of files start with
> grub- , I am afraid I remove it wrongly.

I'm a bit worried that this system may not have been updated even since the 
switch to 
systemd :s Next time you're at the system, can you have a look at 
/var/log/pacman.log:

# less /var/log/pacman.log

Press SHIFT-G to go to the bottom, and scroll up until you can see the date of 
the last time 
you used pacman to update the system (before this last time that caused the 
mess).

If the last time you updated was before 2012-11-04, there's a good chance you 
never 
made the switch to systemd, which will make things even harder for you.

Paul

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Paul Gideon Dann]

On Friday 07 Mar 2014 09:12:39 Caorenzhi wrote:
> Thank you Paul, I will check it in my lab later and tell you the details. 
I
> try add ip eth0 yesterday , and the system says there is no eth0.

In that case, you need to do:

# ip link

to see a list of your network interfaces. It might not be called eth0, but 
hopefully one of them will correspond to the wired interface, assuming 
this is a computer that can in fact be plugged in with a cable.

Paul

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Thank you! I remember when I run the command to find out the packages I should 
remove, it shows: lilo, grub-common, initvlinux( something like this), but I 
don't know how to move them to /usr/bin. I try directly mv lilo to /usr/bin, 
and use the command to search which package I should remove, it seems the lilo 
is still there. And I don't know which files belong to initvlinux, or 
grub-common, there are a lot of files start with grub- , I am afraid I remove 
it wrongly. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:15, Thomas Bächler  wrote:

> Am 07.03.2014 16:09, schrieb Caorenzhi:
>> Do I also need to remove files in /usr/bin as you said? Or you mean 
>> /usr/sbin, /sbin, /bin?
> 
> You are right, only files in /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin should be gone.
> Everything should be in /usr/bin after the update.
> 
>> Since that is what I see the error from at beginning. There are a lot of 
>> files in /sbin, should I remove all of them?
> 
> You should find out which packages they belong to and either uninstall
> or fix those packages!
> 
> 

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Thomas Bächler]

Am 07.03.2014 16:09, schrieb Caorenzhi:
> Do I also need to remove files in /usr/bin as you said? Or you mean 
> /usr/sbin, /sbin, /bin?

You are right, only files in /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin should be gone.
Everything should be in /usr/bin after the update.

> Since that is what I see the error from at beginning. There are a lot of 
> files in /sbin, should I remove all of them?

You should find out which packages they belong to and either uninstall
or fix those packages!




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Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Thank you Paul, I will check it in my lab later and tell you the details. I try 
add ip eth0 yesterday , and the system says there is no eth0. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:01, Paul Gideon Dann  wrote:

> On Friday 07 Mar 2014 08:46:02 Caorenzhi wrote:
>> Thank you for your good suggestion! I think I can use pacman to 
> remove the
>> packages, however, I cannot connect to Internet after chroot, so 
> cannot use
>> pacman to update. Do you have any idea?
> 
> Assuming you can plug your computer in with an ethernet cable, you 
> could try:
> 
> # ip link set eth0 up
> # dhcpcd eth0
> 
> That will hopefully give you access to the internet.
> 
> Paul

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

That is my fault. Do I also need to remove files in /usr/bin as you said? Or 
you mean /usr/sbin, /sbin, /bin? Since that is what I see the error from at 
beginning. There are a lot of files in /sbin, should I remove all of them? Let 
me check my system in my lab and I will reply you later for details, thank you 
very much!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 8:58, Thomas or  Bächler  wrote:

> Am 07.03.2014 15:51, schrieb Caorenzhi:
>> Yes, I try pacman -Su, and they said the /usr/sbin is exists. I am thinking 
>> that is ok, so I reboot the system.
> 
> The instructions explicitly stated that this is NOT okay.
> 
>> I have a cd to load the system, and I have another computer to download 
>> packages and have a external hard disk to use, like copy files there. 
>> Is there still any way to solve my problem?
> 
> Sure there is.
> 
> Boot from a recent Arch Linux live CD, mount your file systems to /mnt
> and run
> arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash
> 
> Then make sure there are no files left in /usr/sbin, /sbin and /usr/bin
> - most likely, you need to uninstall a package that you built yourself -
> you can properly rebuild it later and install it again. Or you need to
> uninstall a package that used to be part of Arch, but it no longer needed.
> 
> When you are done, pacman -Su should work flawlessly (the package is
> already in your cache, so no network is required). To be safe, run
> 'mkinitcpio -P' so your system boots correctly.
> 
> 

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Paul Gideon Dann]

On Friday 07 Mar 2014 08:46:02 Caorenzhi wrote:
> Thank you for your good suggestion! I think I can use pacman to 
remove the
> packages, however, I cannot connect to Internet after chroot, so 
cannot use
> pacman to update. Do you have any idea?

Assuming you can plug your computer in with an ethernet cable, you 
could try:

# ip link set eth0 up
# dhcpcd eth0

That will hopefully give you access to the internet.

Paul

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Thomas Bächler]

Am 07.03.2014 15:51, schrieb Caorenzhi:
> Yes, I try pacman -Su, and they said the /usr/sbin is exists. I am thinking 
> that is ok, so I reboot the system.

The instructions explicitly stated that this is NOT okay.

> I have a cd to load the system, and I have another computer to download 
> packages and have a external hard disk to use, like copy files there. 
> Is there still any way to solve my problem?

Sure there is.

Boot from a recent Arch Linux live CD, mount your file systems to /mnt
and run
 arch-chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash

Then make sure there are no files left in /usr/sbin, /sbin and /usr/bin
- most likely, you need to uninstall a package that you built yourself -
you can properly rebuild it later and install it again. Or you need to
uninstall a package that used to be part of Arch, but it no longer needed.

When you are done, pacman -Su should work flawlessly (the package is
already in your cache, so no network is required). To be safe, run
'mkinitcpio -P' so your system boots correctly.




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Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Yes, I try pacman -Su, and they said the /usr/sbin is exists. I am thinking 
that is ok, so I reboot the system. I have a cd to load the system, and I have 
another computer to download packages and have a external hard disk to use, 
like copy files there. 
Is there still any way to solve my problem?  
Thank you so much!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:06, Thomas Bächler  wrote:

> Am 07.03.2014 07:06, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
>> After this, I use the following command to update the system:
>> pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem,bash
>> pacman -S bash
>> 
>> and then reboot, get the following information:
> 
> And why didn't you complete the instructions by running 'pacman -Su'
> before rebooting?
> 
> Now you broke it, and you need to fix it with a live system.
> 
> 

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Thank you for your good suggestion! I think I can use pacman to remove the 
packages, however, I cannot connect to Internet after chroot, so cannot use 
pacman to update. Do you have any idea?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:20, Andres Fernandez  
wrote:

> I think you should boot with an Arch Installer, then chroot and try to fix
> your system removing the package that has files on those directories,
> following the steps on the Arch news about this issue. An then update
> again. I think that this will solve your trouble.
> 
> Andrés Fernandez
> Software Peronista
> El 07/03/2014 04:13, "Caorenzhi"  escribió:
> 
>> Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them
>> directly and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot
>> access the internet this time, can I still use that command?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
 Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I
>> should reinstall my arch linux system?
>>> 
>>> I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
>>> update more frequently ;)
>>> 
>>> Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
>>> shouldnt be any files. You can try then
>>> pacman -S filesystem
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>> 

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Thomas Bächler]

Am 07.03.2014 07:06, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
> After this, I use the following command to update the system:
> pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem,bash
> pacman -S bash
> 
> and then reboot, get the following information:

And why didn't you complete the instructions by running 'pacman -Su'
before rebooting?

Now you broke it, and you need to fix it with a live system.




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Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Simon Brand]

Am 07.03.2014 08:13, schrieb Caorenzhi:
> Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them 
> directly and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot access 
> the internet this time, can I still use that command?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:
> 
>> Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
>>> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
>>> reinstall my arch linux system?
>>
>> I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
>> update more frequently ;)
>>
>> Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
>> shouldnt be any files. You can try then
>> pacman -S filesystem
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
> 

Where are these files from? Are they from some AUR packages?
You can check this with
pacman -Qo /path/to/file

Do NOT remove then. If they are from AUR packages, remove them, update
filesystem and then reinstall them.

You could probably try to move them to /usr/bin and then update.

You need the internet to download the new filesystem package. You could
download it on another system, check the signature, copy it to the
broken system and then install it with pacman -U /path/to/package

You should know best, how to access the internet in your network.
The livesystem only trys to dhcpcd, do you have WLan?

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Andres Fernandez]

I think you should boot with an Arch Installer, then chroot and try to fix
your system removing the package that has files on those directories,
following the steps on the Arch news about this issue. An then update
again. I think that this will solve your trouble.

Andrés Fernandez
Software Peronista
El 07/03/2014 04:13, "Caorenzhi"  escribió:

> Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them
> directly and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot
> access the internet this time, can I still use that command?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:
>
> > Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
> >> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I
> should reinstall my arch linux system?
> >
> > I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
> > update more frequently ;)
> >
> > Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
> > shouldnt be any files. You can try then
> > pacman -S filesystem
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
>

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Caorenzhi]

Hi, there are some files in /sbin,/usr/sbin. Should I just remove them directly 
and then run pacman -s filesystem?   I find out that I cannot access the 
internet this time, can I still use that command?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:07, Simon Brand  wrote:

> Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
>> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
>> reinstall my arch linux system?
> 
> I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
> update more frequently ;)
> 
> Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
> shouldnt be any files. You can try then
> pacman -S filesystem
> 
> Good luck!
> 

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Simon Brand]

Am 07.03.2014 07:49, schrieb Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student):
> Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
> reinstall my arch linux system?

I am not a fan of reinstalling only to fix the system, but you should
update more frequently ;)

Chroot into your system, then look into /bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin, there
shouldnt be any files. You can try then
pacman -S filesystem

Good luck!

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Thank you! You are right, what I did is based on that link:
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/

Now, for my problem, is there any way to repair that? Or you think I should 
reinstall my arch linux system?


Renzhi Cao

Email : rc...@mail.missouri.edu



From: arch-general  on behalf of Ralf 
Mardorf 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 12:27 AM
To: arch-general@archlinux.org
Subject: Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

PS:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_filesystem_hierarchy

It does link to
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/

;)

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_filesystem_hierarchy

It does link to
https://www.archlinux.org/news/binaries-move-to-usrbin-requiring-update-intervention/

;)

Re: [arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Ralf Mardorf]

When did you run the last update? The filesystem hierarchy changes and
the switch to systemd were done a long, long time ago.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -ld /bin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 31  2013 /bin -> usr/bin
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -ld /sbin
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 31  2013 /sbin -> usr/bin
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -l /sbin/init
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Feb 27 21:03 /sbin/init -> ../lib/systemd/systemd

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/arch_filesystem_hierarchy

[arch-general] Problems of using pacman and updating the filesystem

[Cao, Renzhi (MU-Student)]

Hi,
 I get some problems about pacman. At beginning, I use pacman -Syu to 
update the system, and then I cannot login the system. I checked the internet, 
and then use CD to load the system, and use
pacman -Syu mkinitcpio systemd linux, and get the following information:
(133/133) checking for file conflicts  [##] 100%
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
filesystem: /bin exists in filesystem
filesystem: /sbin exists in filesystem
filesystem: /usr/sbin exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.

After this, I use the following command to update the system:
pacman -Syu --ignore filesystem,bash
pacman -S bash

and then reboot, get the following information:

ERROR: root device mounted successfully, but /sbin/init does not exist.
Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck.
Sh: cannot access tty: job control turned off.

?

I really appreciate if anyone can help me to solve this problem, it seems I 
damage the file system. Is there any way to go back to the previous system, or 
repair this error?

Thank you all.





Renzhi Cao
Email : 
rc...@mail.missouri.edu