Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Mauro Santos]

On 09/07/2010 01:14 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

> (I always end up asking the question of: "Why would anyone ever
> use yahoo or msn to begin with?" But, to each his own...)
> 

That has a very simple reason, I guess some people come from windows,
much like I did, we all have friends/acquaintances/contacts (which have
friends/acquaintances/contacts of their ow) that only use windows and/or
msn/yahoo and do not even consider changing to another instant messenger.

Some might try something else just for fun but always end up ditching
the alternative so if you want to have a real time chat with your
friends there is no choice.

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Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[David C. Rankin]

On 09/06/2010 05:20 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:

Sorry to double post but as you can see my reply clearly does not apply
to the invisible scan but to deleted/blocked detection, my mistake.
However it may be possible that invisible detection may stop working
reliably in the future too.



No problem. Thanks Mauro. Hopefully the OP will have success with his efforts. 
(I always end up asking the question of: "Why would anyone ever use yahoo or msn 
to begin with?" But, to each his own...)


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Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Mauro Santos]

On 09/06/2010 11:17 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:
> Mind you that since some time ago it seems this "feature" is not
> reliable anymore.
> 
> The are msn clients that had this functionality built-in and things have
> gone south when it started to malfunction and reporting some users as
> being blocked or deleted when in fact they are not.
> 
> As far as I know no one knows for sure what the problem was (maybe just
> a change in protocol or a deliberate change). I have tested it myself
> with several different accounts and it was similar to a russian
> roulette, this "feature" was not reliable anymore in identifying when
> one has been blocked/deleted.
> 
> Search more about this in mercury's forums, at least the problem came up
> there and also on amsn's forums if I remember correctly.
> 

Sorry to double post but as you can see my reply clearly does not apply
to the invisible scan but to deleted/blocked detection, my mistake.
However it may be possible that invisible detection may stop working
reliably in the future too.


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Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Mauro Santos]

Mind you that since some time ago it seems this "feature" is not
reliable anymore.

The are msn clients that had this functionality built-in and things have
gone south when it started to malfunction and reporting some users as
being blocked or deleted when in fact they are not.

As far as I know no one knows for sure what the problem was (maybe just
a change in protocol or a deliberate change). I have tested it myself
with several different accounts and it was similar to a russian
roulette, this "feature" was not reliable anymore in identifying when
one has been blocked/deleted.

Search more about this in mercury's forums, at least the problem came up
there and also on amsn's forums if I remember correctly.

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Mauro Santos

Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[David C. Rankin]

On 08/28/2010 12:24 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners


Dunno, don't use either, but I was curious enough to take a look and see what 
the heck it was anyway. Here is the article that gave me the best background on 
at least what the visible/invisible debate was about. That's as far as I dug, 
but good luck with your project. Here is the link:


http://www.geckoandfly.com/1818/how-to-detect-and-find-invisible-users-on-yahoo-and-msn-messenger/

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Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[F. Gr.]

2010-08-28 22:54 +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan:

>   Go to google.com and search for MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners.
> You'll find a big list.
> 
> So what's the principle of their working?

A while ago I heard the following:

Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Lukáš Jirkovský]

On 28 August 2010 19:24, Nilesh Govindarajan  wrote:
>  Go to google.com and search for MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners.
> You'll find a big list.
>
> So what's the principle of their working?
> I'm thinking of writing a pidgin plugin to catch invisible buddies.
>

I guess they do some ping-like thing.

Re: [arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Ray Rashif]

On 29 August 2010 01:24, Nilesh Govindarajan  wrote:
>  Go to google.com and search for MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners.
> You'll find a big list.
>
> So what's the principle of their working?

Nothing but LOL and immaturity.


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[arch-general] The principle behind MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners?

[Nilesh Govindarajan]

 Go to google.com and search for MSN & Yahoo invisible scanners.
You'll find a big list.

So what's the principle of their working?
I'm thinking of writing a pidgin plugin to catch invisible buddies.

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