Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15:39 +0200 Attila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2008 17:07 Nigel Henry wrote: > > > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting > > services, and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my > > Debian installs, I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, > > and allows you to stop and start services. > > I can understand your feelings because as i start using archlinux i > search a tool as chkconfig too but i recognized that such a tool is > not really necessary. > > So why do i think this? The equipollent of "chkconfig --list | grep > '3:on'" is the DAEMONS array in the rc.conf and the equipollent of > the status of the running daemons ist the content of /var/run/daemons > (kdm is not there but it have a pid file). > > The only thing what i miss is that "chkconfig --list" shows me the > x(inet) lines too but this is not so much necessary for archlinux > from my view. > > In my case i must say that the most what i have missed at the > beginning has more to do with myself and what i have used before than > with archlinux. Perhaps this helps you too. > > See you, Attila > > I've wrote a quick and dirty implementation of a tool for starting/stopping services and listing their status. It's quite simple tho, since it's just something I wrote to see if I remembered shell scripting.. http://arch.har-ikkje.net/scripts/daemon-0.5.sh
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Nigel Henry wrote: Hi Nicolas. Thanks for your aldc python programme. aldc list all shows all the running, and stopped services. I've only tried stopping, and starting vsftpd, while trying to ftp into the Archlinux machine from my FC2 install using gftp. The vsftpd service stopped ok, and could no longer access the archlinux machine using gftp. Then did aldc start vsftpd. gftp was still running, and retrying on the FC2 machine, and soon the directory list turned up in gftp on FC2. Your python program seems to be fine. it would be nice if it were more interactive, like the sysv-rc-conf program on Debian, but we can't have everything, and I'm willing to work with this. Thanks for your reply, and the program. Nigel. Hello Nigel. I appreciate your reply. I take it that you by interactive refer to some sort of ncurses interface. I have yet to decide what form aldc will shape into and will keep a ncurses interface in mind as a future possibility. Regards.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Friday 23 May 2008 01:23, ndlarsen wrote: > Nigel Henry wrote: > > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, > > and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, > > I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop > > and start services. > > > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Nigel. > > Have a look at http://aldc.ionline.dk/ I havn't really had any time > lately to work on it due to job overload, however, I do intend to pick > it up again. Strictly CLI, though. Feedback will be appreciated. > > Regards. Hi Nicolas. Thanks for your aldc python programme. aldc list all shows all the running, and stopped services. I've only tried stopping, and starting vsftpd, while trying to ftp into the Archlinux machine from my FC2 install using gftp. The vsftpd service stopped ok, and could no longer access the archlinux machine using gftp. Then did aldc start vsftpd. gftp was still running, and retrying on the FC2 machine, and soon the directory list turned up in gftp on FC2. Your python program seems to be fine. it would be nice if it were more interactive, like the sysv-rc-conf program on Debian, but we can't have everything, and I'm willing to work with this. Thanks for your reply, and the program. Nigel.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Nigel Henry wrote: On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and start services. Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? Thanks for any help. Nigel. Have a look at http://aldc.ionline.dk/ I havn't really had any time lately to work on it due to job overload, however, I do intend to pick it up again. Strictly CLI, though. Feedback will be appreciated. Regards.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2008 17:07 Nigel Henry wrote: > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and > start services. I can understand your feelings because as i start using archlinux i search a tool as chkconfig too but i recognized that such a tool is not really necessary. So why do i think this? The equipollent of "chkconfig --list | grep '3:on'" is the DAEMONS array in the rc.conf and the equipollent of the status of the running daemons ist the content of /var/run/daemons (kdm is not there but it have a pid file). The only thing what i miss is that "chkconfig --list" shows me the x(inet) lines too but this is not so much necessary for archlinux from my view. In my case i must say that the most what i have missed at the beginning has more to do with myself and what i have used before than with archlinux. Perhaps this helps you too. See you, Attila
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 09:09 -0700, Thayer Williams wrote:
> On 5/22/08, Travis Willard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services,
> > and
> > > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I
> > > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and
> > > start services.
> > >
> > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> >
> >
> > I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly
> > has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and
> > /etc/rc.d/service start?
>
> I would have to side with Travis here. In case it's just too much
> hassle to type, you can always add some bash functions to make it even
> simpler. Here's what I've got in ~/.bashrc (it's based off someone
> else's example from the forums...):
>
> # start, stop, restart, reload - simple daemon management
> # usage: start
> start()
> {
> for arg in $*; do
> sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg start
> done
> }
> stop()
> {
> for arg in $*; do
> sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg stop
> done
> }
> restart()
> {
> for arg in $*; do
> sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg restart
> done
> }
> reload() {
> for arg in $*; do
> sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg reload
> done
> }
>
Someone wrote this a while earlier http://pastebin.com/d50be4205
it also checks whether a service is already running or not.
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Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Excerpts from cave.dnb2m97pp's message of Thu May 22 12:21:16 -0500 2008: > Johannes also suggests this way, and I have no problems with it, but > sometimes > it's just nice to have a list of running services, maybe just to see if there > is some service you don't need, and to be able to stop it. "ls /var/run/daemons" will do. -- Jan
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:21:16 +0200 Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Johannes also suggests this way, and I have no problems with it, but > sometimes > it's just nice to have a list of running services, maybe just to see if there > is some service you don't need, and to be able to stop it. You will find a list of running services in /var/run/daemons.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thursday 22 May 2008 17:09, Travis Willard wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, > > and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, > > I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop > > and start services. > > > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly > has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and > /etc/rc.d/service start? Johannes also suggests this way, and I have no problems with it, but sometimes it's just nice to have a list of running services, maybe just to see if there is some service you don't need, and to be able to stop it. A couple of suggestions on later posts have suggested packages available in AUR. I'll have a look at these. I was sort of thinking of new users, that may have been used to GUI stuff. A command on the CLI to bring up something using dialog, whiptail, or ncurses would also work, as you get a GUI of sorts. Also, sometimes it's not easy to know the name of a service. For example, you want to stop the ntp service. Do you stop ntp, or ntpd, and with ssh. Is this ssh, or sshd. I know you can try both, but a list of running services helps. This is just a little academic question so please don't be offended. All in all I'm very pleased with Archlinux (Don't Panic). I have a bunch of distros installed, Fedora, Debian, Kubuntu, Slackware, but none of them boot up as quick as my Archlinux install. Any suggestions as to what may be different from my other installs, that causes Archlinux to boot up so quickly? Nigel.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 09:09:50AM -0700, Thayer Williams wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly
> > has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and
> > /etc/rc.d/service start?
>
>
> # start, stop, restart, reload - simple daemon management
> # usage: start
> start()
> {
(The rest snipped for brevity).
I just wanted to thank you for that one, I can't believe I'd never
thought of doing it for any of my installs (including BSD and the RH
based ones that use /etc/init.d). With slight modification, it will
work for anything .
Thanks again.
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Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Thayer Williams wrote:
I would have to side with Travis here. In case it's just too much
hassle to type, you can always add some bash functions to make it even
simpler. Here's what I've got in ~/.bashrc (it's based off someone
else's example from the forums...):
# start, stop, restart, reload - simple daemon management
# usage: start
start()
{
for arg in $*; do
sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg start
done
}
As I originally started on RedHat, and so am a bit partial to the
"service foo start" syntax, I always put the following script into
/root/bin on my Arch boxes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ sudo cat /root/bin/service
/etc/rc.d/$*
DR
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Thayer Williams wrote:
> On 5/22/08, Travis Willard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services,
>> and
>> > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I
>> > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and
>> > start services.
>> >
>> > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>> I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly
>> has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and
>> /etc/rc.d/service start?
>
I would also have to agree - Arch keeps things so much more organized
with the /etc/rc.d/service {start}{stop} rather than providing any tools
for the user to possibly break.
As for Gui tools, come on, Arch a 'simple, LIGHT weight' Linux
distribution... If Arch had it's own GUI tools eventually it would need
to pick a DE/WM as a default as well and then the bloat would come on.
Arch is one of the few 'useful' Distro's left that has no real bloat to
speak of, let's try to keep it that way.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu 2008-05-22 11:09, Travis Willard wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and > > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I > > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and > > start services. > > > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly > has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and > /etc/rc.d/service start? I wrote two tiny patches to have some kind of smart completion, see: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8481 http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8491 The idea is to do: # /etc/rc.d/networkmanager [TAB] and have a completion with the possible actions. IIRC it also works doing: # service [TAB] [TAB] the first TAB completes with the available services and the second with the action. Cheers, -- Alessio (molok) Bolognino Please send personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFE0270FB GPG Key ID = 1024D / FE0270FB 2007-04-11 Key Fingerprint = 9AF8 9011 F271 450D 59CF 2D7D 96C9 8F2A FE02 70FB pgp4BGIFqvMld.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On 5/22/08, Travis Willard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services,
> and
> > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I
> > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and
> > start services.
> >
> > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
>
>
> I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly
> has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and
> /etc/rc.d/service start?
I would have to side with Travis here. In case it's just too much
hassle to type, you can always add some bash functions to make it even
simpler. Here's what I've got in ~/.bashrc (it's based off someone
else's example from the forums...):
# start, stop, restart, reload - simple daemon management
# usage: start
start()
{
for arg in $*; do
sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg start
done
}
stop()
{
for arg in $*; do
sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg stop
done
}
restart()
{
for arg in $*; do
sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg restart
done
}
reload() {
for arg in $*; do
sudo /etc/rc.d/$arg reload
done
}
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Excerpts from ert256's message of Thu May 22 10:18:48 -0500 2008: > I found that some time ago, but i don't use this. > http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=16966 This is not quite compatible with arch's initscripts. You'd need to rewrite (or at least rearrange) pretty much all the initscripts supplied with arch's packages, if you'd want to use this for the usual services. -- Jan
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
ert256 wrote: I found that some time ago, but i don't use this. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=16966 Nigel Henry pisze: On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and start services. Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? Thanks for any help. Nigel. Try this http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0&L=0&C=0&K=aldm&SeB=nd&PP=25&do_Search=Go It requires kdelibs and QT but it's quite cool. Regards Nicol -- The three things to remember about Llamas: 1) They are harmless 2) They are deadly 3) They are made of lava, and thus nice to cuddle.
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
I found that some time ago, but i don't use this. http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=16966 Nigel Henry pisze: > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and > start services. > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? > > Thanks for any help. > > Nigel. > > -- Rafał (ert16) Trójniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jid : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG key-ID : DD681D47 749F E1DC A58F 9084 BBC0 797A 0691 53D6 DD68 1D47 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
Nigel Henry schrieb: Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? But sure it is: (as root:) /etc/rc.d/ [start|stop|restart] -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and > also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I > installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and > start services. > > Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? > > Thanks for any help. I can't recall any such tool offhand, though the discussion certainly has come up before. What's wrong with /etc/rc.d/service stop and /etc/rc.d/service start?
[arch-general] Tool to stop and start services? (Don't Panic)
On my Fedora installs there is a GUI for stopping and starting services, and also the option of using chkconfig on the CLI. On my Debian installs, I installed sysv-rc-conf, which runs on the CLI, and allows you to stop and start services. Is there anything similar that I could use on my Archlinux install? Thanks for any help. Nigel.
