Re: [arch-general] powertop vs archlinux vs ubuntu

2010-02-22 Thread Stefano Z.
root ~ #  acpitool -c
  CPU type   : Genuine Intel(R) CPU   U2300  @ 1.20GHz
  CPU speed  : 1200.161 MHz
  Cache size : 1024 KB
  Bogomips   : 2401.33
  Bogomips   : 2401.10

  # of CPU's found   : 2

  Processor ID   : 0
  Bus mastering control  : yes
  Power management   : yes
  Throttling control : yes
  Limit interface: yes
  Active C-state : C0
  C-states (incl. C0): 2
  Usage of state C1  : 4759885 (87.3 %)
  T-state count  : 8
  Active T-state : T0


  Processor ID   : 1
  Bus mastering control  : yes
  Power management   : yes
  Throttling control : yes
  Limit interface: yes
  Active C-state : C0
  C-states (incl. C0): 2
  Usage of state C1  : 4294840 (86.6 %)
  T-state count  : 8
  Active T-state : T0


On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Stefano Z. mie.iscrizi...@gmail.com wrote:
 no, my dual celeron su2300 dosen't support speedstep, it stay fixed to 1.2ghz
 but i have found the problem, i think this problem have to do with KMS...
 I have istalled kernel26 2.6.31.6-1 and the problem disappered but obviously
 this is not the solution i want ;-)
 If i install 2.6.32+ kernel the problem reappear.
 Another thing that happens is that the cpu(s) Temperature with kernels
2.6.31 stay
 about on 53+C while with kernel 2.6.32 stays on 42C...



 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Andrea Fagiani andfagi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 02/22/2010 04:53 AM, Brendan Long wrote:

 On 02/21/2010 04:55 PM, Xavier Chantry wrote:


 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Stefano Z.mie.iscrizi...@gmail.com
  wrote:



 hi

 i've bought a new notebook (hp pavilion dm1-1150sl) and installed
 archlinux.
 i have see a strange thing with powertop, i'm running the vanilla arch
 kernel26,
 and i have see this behaviour:
 Cn                Avg residency       P-states (frequencies)
 C0 (cpu occupata)      (31,6%)
 C0                0,0ms ( 0,0%)
 C1 mwait          0,1ms ( 0,7%)
 C4 mwait          0,0ms (67,8%)
 Wakeups-from-idle per second : 31483,5  interval: 10,0s
 ---
 as you can see, i have a LOT of wakeups per seconds very low c1 states
 lot of c0 and c4 states,
 a wattmeter tell me that archlinux consume about 25/26watt
 Then i have boot a live ubuntu distro and see this:
 Cn                permanenza media    P-state (frequenze)
 C0 (cpu occupata)      ( 0,6%)
 polling           0,0 ms ( 0,0%)
 C1 mwait         26,7 ms (68,6%)
 C4 mwait          1,2 ms (30,8%)
 Wakeup-da-idle al secondo: 281,3        intervallo: 15,0s
 ---
 as you can see  the wakeups are a LOT lower than on arch and we have
 lot of c1 and c4 state,
 power consumption is about 20W, the same that i have with win7 (about
 18/20w).
 For meaning about cX state see here:
 http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/powertop.php

 thanks!




 You didn't give enough information so we will need to check the basis :
 - which cpufreq driver and governor are you using in both cases (check
 cpufreq-info)
 - what processes does powertop show as causes for wakeups ?
 - what processes does top show in term of cpu usage ?

 Here is what I got in the last few minutes when i was writing this :
 C4 mwait          3.4ms (92.5%)          800 Mhz    98.0%
 Wakeups-from-idle per second : 279.4    interval: 10.0s

 I have a core 2 duo with acpi-cpufreq loaded and conservative governor.
 $ grep cpufreq /etc/rc.conf
 MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq)
 DAEMONS=(syslog-ng net-profiles crond dbus hal alsa cpufreq
 storage-fixup)
 $ grep governor /etc/conf.d/cpufreq
 # valid governors:
 governor=conservative



 They may just not have cpu-freq-utils installed maybe? I'm using
 laptop-mode-tools with compiz and GNOME running (but not doing anything)
 and it's saying 99.2% C4, 0.8% C0. This is with another Core2 and
 laptop-mode is set to use the powersave governor on battery (which is
 how I tested). When I plug it in, it jumps up to 25%, but I don't really
 care how active the processor is when it's on battery.



 Be sure to have cpu-freq-utils installed, as well as loading the right
 modules (acpi-cpufreq, cpufreq_ondemand, if you plan on using the same
 governor as ubuntu does), and add `cpufreq` to your DAEMONS array in
 rc.conf.
 On my system, with laptop-mode-tools the powertop output is very similar to
 what Brendan said. Also, the 31k+ wakeups definitely mean there's some issue
 on your config.




[arch-general] powertop vs archlinux vs ubuntu

2010-02-21 Thread Stefano Z.
hi

i've bought a new notebook (hp pavilion dm1-1150sl) and installed
archlinux.
i have see a strange thing with powertop, i'm running the vanilla arch kernel26,
and i have see this behaviour:
CnAvg residency   P-states (frequencies)
C0 (cpu occupata)  (31,6%)
C00,0ms ( 0,0%)
C1 mwait  0,1ms ( 0,7%)
C4 mwait  0,0ms (67,8%)
Wakeups-from-idle per second : 31483,5  interval: 10,0s
---
as you can see, i have a LOT of wakeups per seconds very low c1 states
lot of c0 and c4 states,
a wattmeter tell me that archlinux consume about 25/26watt
Then i have boot a live ubuntu distro and see this:
Cnpermanenza mediaP-state (frequenze)
C0 (cpu occupata)  ( 0,6%)
polling   0,0 ms ( 0,0%)
C1 mwait 26,7 ms (68,6%)
C4 mwait  1,2 ms (30,8%)
Wakeup-da-idle al secondo: 281,3intervallo: 15,0s
---
as you can see  the wakeups are a LOT lower than on arch and we have
lot of c1 and c4 state,
power consumption is about 20W, the same that i have with win7 (about 18/20w).
For meaning about cX state see here:
http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/powertop.php

thanks!


Re: [arch-general] powertop vs archlinux vs ubuntu

2010-02-21 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Stefano Z. mie.iscrizi...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi

 i've bought a new notebook (hp pavilion dm1-1150sl) and installed
 archlinux.
 i have see a strange thing with powertop, i'm running the vanilla arch 
 kernel26,
 and i have see this behaviour:
 Cn                Avg residency       P-states (frequencies)
 C0 (cpu occupata)      (31,6%)
 C0                0,0ms ( 0,0%)
 C1 mwait          0,1ms ( 0,7%)
 C4 mwait          0,0ms (67,8%)
 Wakeups-from-idle per second : 31483,5  interval: 10,0s
 ---
 as you can see, i have a LOT of wakeups per seconds very low c1 states
 lot of c0 and c4 states,
 a wattmeter tell me that archlinux consume about 25/26watt
 Then i have boot a live ubuntu distro and see this:
 Cn                permanenza media    P-state (frequenze)
 C0 (cpu occupata)      ( 0,6%)
 polling           0,0 ms ( 0,0%)
 C1 mwait         26,7 ms (68,6%)
 C4 mwait          1,2 ms (30,8%)
 Wakeup-da-idle al secondo: 281,3        intervallo: 15,0s
 ---
 as you can see  the wakeups are a LOT lower than on arch and we have
 lot of c1 and c4 state,
 power consumption is about 20W, the same that i have with win7 (about 18/20w).
 For meaning about cX state see here:
 http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/powertop.php

 thanks!


You didn't give enough information so we will need to check the basis :
- which cpufreq driver and governor are you using in both cases (check
cpufreq-info)
- what processes does powertop show as causes for wakeups ?
- what processes does top show in term of cpu usage ?

Here is what I got in the last few minutes when i was writing this :
C4 mwait  3.4ms (92.5%)  800 Mhz98.0%
Wakeups-from-idle per second : 279.4interval: 10.0s

I have a core 2 duo with acpi-cpufreq loaded and conservative governor.
$ grep cpufreq /etc/rc.conf
MODULES=(acpi-cpufreq)
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng net-profiles crond dbus hal alsa cpufreq storage-fixup)
$ grep governor /etc/conf.d/cpufreq
# valid governors:
governor=conservative