Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Don deJuan]

On 06/26/2012 10:49 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:



Have you considered flavours like mail, web.

A recent thread showed atleast one person who probably would have liked
an out of the box web arch?



Sorry Kevin, I don't follow you.



probably because it's completely off the radar and probably projects
in themselves especially as your just getting back up and running.

This thread (feeling sheepish) about debian or arch being best for a
webserver got me thinking you could have an install package or iso for
different server types such as a web server version or mail server
version.

Then the answer on this thread could be because arch has a fully
functional and well setup (perhaps chrooted) web server out of the box.


I think that would be a great idea to have an installable chrooted iso 
for differing types, or in the installer you choose the type/types you 
want. I know I would give it a shot as it is something I have wanted to 
have/do for awhile.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Kevin Chadwick]

> >
> >
> > Have you considered flavours like mail, web.
> >
> > A recent thread showed atleast one person who probably would have liked
> > an out of the box web arch?
> >
> >  
> Sorry Kevin, I don't follow you.


probably because it's completely off the radar and probably projects
in themselves especially as your just getting back up and running.

This thread (feeling sheepish) about debian or arch being best for a
webserver got me thinking you could have an install package or iso for
different server types such as a web server version or mail server
version.

Then the answer on this thread could be because arch has a fully
functional and well setup (perhaps chrooted) web server out of the box.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Martin Cigorraga]

>
>
> Have you considered flavours like mail, web.
>
> A recent thread showed atleast one person who probably would have liked
> an out of the box web arch?
>
>
Sorry Kevin, I don't follow you.


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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Kevin Chadwick]

> idea of having a server edition of AL ready to deploy and forgot about it
> because Arch rocks

Have you considered flavours like mail, web.

A recent thread showed atleast one person who probably would have liked
an out of the box web arch?


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 Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[d4n1]

I'm has used the archlinux in all. My servers are running firewall, web,
bd, proxy, DNS, dhcp and others. I'm used politics of update/upgrade, and
mark some packages to not update/upgrade. I'm used only the oficial mirror
in the pacman. I'm removed compilers and run hardenings.
On Jun 26, 2012 9:31 AM, "Martin Cigorraga"  wrote:

> Hi guys, may be you'll find ArchServer an interesting project, you'll find
> more here:
> www.archserver.org.
>
> The idea behind this project is to create a rock-solid,
> server-oriented Arch flavor ready for
> mass deployment with all the pros we love about Arch -easy to maintain,
> lightweight,
> ultra-stable, a joy to use, you know, The Arch Way- plus a well tested
> repositories to
> ensure no unexpected surprises (!) and the least manual intervention
> possible while
> remaining %100 Arch-compatible.
>
> While the project have been around for quite some time, the lack of people
> involved together
> with real-life matters of it's lead devs and mantainers made Arch Server
> slide into an
> induced sleep for some time... until now.
> In my last email exchange with Daniel (aka ShadowBranch, current AS
> maintainer), about a
> month ago, he made clear it's matter of time until the project is up and
> fully running again -
> undoubtedly he is not having the necessary spare time to setup everything
> again and relaunch
> the project.
>
> So if you think ArchServer have any worthiness or is something interesting
> -personally I would
> _love_ to have a specific server-flavor of Arch- head on to the ML section
> and subscribe
> yourselves so you don't miss the grand reopening.
>
> P.S.: I know this may sound like a cheap NTM[0]/sell speach but it's
> not! I'm just a fan of the
> idea of having a server edition of AL ready to deploy and forgot about it
> because Arch rocks
> and I don't really want to work with any other distros that isn't
> Arch-centric; also I find inefficient
> to have to learn the ways of other distros -which I don't like how they do
> things- in order to
> work with a production server.
> For now I set up my Arch Linux server boxes by hand as the next archer
> does, but I'm sure it
> would be plain awesome to have an Arch branch specifically fitted for the
> server role, it could
> save me countless hours on deployment, management, testing, servicing,
> etc., and I'm sure
> it can do the same for all the rest of the archers :)
>
> [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_marketing
>
> Cheers!
>

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Martin Cigorraga]

Hi guys, may be you'll find ArchServer an interesting project, you'll find
more here:
www.archserver.org.

The idea behind this project is to create a rock-solid,
server-oriented Arch flavor ready for
mass deployment with all the pros we love about Arch -easy to maintain,
lightweight,
ultra-stable, a joy to use, you know, The Arch Way- plus a well tested
repositories to
ensure no unexpected surprises (!) and the least manual intervention
possible while
remaining %100 Arch-compatible.

While the project have been around for quite some time, the lack of people
involved together
with real-life matters of it's lead devs and mantainers made Arch Server
slide into an
induced sleep for some time... until now.
In my last email exchange with Daniel (aka ShadowBranch, current AS
maintainer), about a
month ago, he made clear it's matter of time until the project is up and
fully running again -
undoubtedly he is not having the necessary spare time to setup everything
again and relaunch
the project.

So if you think ArchServer have any worthiness or is something interesting
-personally I would
_love_ to have a specific server-flavor of Arch- head on to the ML section
and subscribe
yourselves so you don't miss the grand reopening.

P.S.: I know this may sound like a cheap NTM[0]/sell speach but it's
not! I'm just a fan of the
idea of having a server edition of AL ready to deploy and forgot about it
because Arch rocks
and I don't really want to work with any other distros that isn't
Arch-centric; also I find inefficient
to have to learn the ways of other distros -which I don't like how they do
things- in order to
work with a production server.
For now I set up my Arch Linux server boxes by hand as the next archer
does, but I'm sure it
would be plain awesome to have an Arch branch specifically fitted for the
server role, it could
save me countless hours on deployment, management, testing, servicing,
etc., and I'm sure
it can do the same for all the rest of the archers :)

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_marketing

Cheers!

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[David Benfell]

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On 06/19/12 05:58, satisficer wrote:
> On 2012-06-19, Arno Gaboury  wrote:
>> Is there any provider offering Arch distro, as it seems it is
>> hard, near impossible, to find one.
> 
> Linode  is a VPS with Arch for USD
> 20/month. Easy to setup, and if you screw up something while
> tinkering, you can just nuke the image and install another one.
> 
Linode also supplies its own kernel. To be honest, I haven't looked at
udev, so I can't speak to what they're doing there.

I have to say, I'm pretty happy with my Linode. The reliability has
been excellent and, on the whole, they're pretty easy to work with.
The one time I've encountered difficulty was in that they are now
requiring working SSL certificates for additional IPv4 addresses. And
of course, getting SSL working properly on a web server is its own
special kind of pain that seems to cause lots of people lots of problems.

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Kevin Chadwick]

> I have a once-a-month scheduled reboot to take care of kernel upgrades.  I 
> hold back linux and udev, because they tend to rely on each other.

I would have thought you could schedule a reboot via at that very night
for 4 in the morning or something. The reason I say this is that apart
from obvious security problems that get immediate media attention.
Kernel security problems often take weeks to filter through to published
security vulnerabilities partly due to Linus saying "a bugs a bug", no
effort is put into identifying them by kernel devs. On OpenBSD you don't
need to update the kernel because it's rock solid but unfortunately
there is no auto update either, otherwise I would be jumping up and
down telling you to use that.

>> Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
>> kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
>> require a restart?
>>  
> This is exactly how I handle kernel updates. Afaik glibc and udev
> updates don't require reboot.
>  
>>> gt pointed here a good point who honestly refrains me a litle bit from 
>>> using Arch, even if I feel comfortable with this distro and its
>>> community.

Kernel upgrades and so reboots apply to all Linux variants so I don't
see how it affects your choice.

There must be a pure web server distro with a stripped down
kernel?



 Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Dennis Herbrich]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 04:31:49PM +0200, Arno Gaboury wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 04:20 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:
> >On 06/19/2012 04:14 PM, gt wrote:
> >>Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
> >>kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
> >>require a restart?
> >>
> >This is exactly how I handle kernel updates. Afaik glibc and udev
> >updates don't require reboot.
> >
> gt pointed here a good point who honestly refrains me a litle bit
> from using Arch, even if I feel comfortable with this distro and its
> community.

No need, really. You have multiple ways to deal with the rolling release model,
depending on your requirements regarding change management. For example:

* If you don't care about occasional, short downtime: Handle it like a desktop,
keep it current, reboot regularly with new kernel. This *may* cause additional
problems every now and then, though, and I wouldn't recommend this unless you
REALLY don't care about occasional downtime. ;) If you're setting up VMs
anyway, this may be the way to go nevertheless, as you can quickly swap and
test VMs before going live.

* Use a kernel-lts package. This reduces your need for reboots
considerably already.

* If you're friend of the "stable repo" approach as in debianesque systems..
well.. create one! I'm doing this with great success so far. With a bit
of shell trickery you can stuff all packages of a running system into your
own repository, and you dub this stable. You may then choose to cherrypick
and test new package versions from core/extra/community, or roll your own if
there's a specific patch you'd want to have integrated, but not bump the
version altogether for whatever reason. The latter is actually required much
less often than I thought initially, as incompatible version upgrades are
relatively rare in the first place.

To sum it up, with Arch you can basically choose your own approach to
stabilizing your package sources. On the other hand, you will have to manage it
yourself, too, unless you find a "public" stable repository which you trust to
do the job well.
  
Best regards,
  Dennis

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Paul Gideon Dann]

On Tuesday 19 Jun 2012 16:31:49 Arno Gaboury wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 04:20 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:
> > On 06/19/2012 04:14 PM, gt wrote:
> >> Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
> >> kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
> >> require a restart?
> > 
> > This is exactly how I handle kernel updates. Afaik glibc and udev
> > updates don't require reboot.
> 
> gt pointed here a good point who honestly refrains me a litle bit from
> using Arch, even if I feel comfortable with this distro and its community.

I have a once-a-month scheduled reboot to take care of kernel upgrades.  I 
hold back linux and udev, because they tend to rely on each other.

ArchLinux does take quite a bit of time to keep up-to-date, but in my opinion 
the inconvenience is *far* outweighed by the the simplicity of configuration, 
building & customising packages, feeling of being in control, etc...

Paul

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Arno Gaboury]

On 06/19/2012 04:20 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

On 06/19/2012 04:14 PM, gt wrote:

Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
require a restart?


This is exactly how I handle kernel updates. Afaik glibc and udev
updates don't require reboot.

gt pointed here a good point who honestly refrains me a litle bit from 
using Arch, even if I feel comfortable with this distro and its community.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Bartłomiej Piotrowski]

On 06/19/2012 04:14 PM, gt wrote:
> Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
> kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
> require a restart?
> 

This is exactly how I handle kernel updates. Afaik glibc and udev
updates don't require reboot.

-- 
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Arch Linux Trusted User
http://archlinux.org/



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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[gt]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:08:02PM +0200, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 11:56 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I plan to settle in the comimg months a web server to deliver many
> > services to the trading community (I am myself a trader).
> >
> > I daily use Arch as my system on my home box, and I must admit I am
> > very satisfied by its strength and its very active and deep involved
> > community. My plan is to first train building the website on a VM
> > server, then go to a remote dedicated server.
> >
> > Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian
> > distro rather than Archlinux as a web server? Is there any provider
> > offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near impossible, to find
> > one.
> >
> > TY for your advises.
> I've been running an Arch web server for 3 years and there are
> absolutely no problems.

Can you please elaborate how you manage the regular updates, especially
kernel, udev, glibc etc. Do you hold back the upgrades to packages which
require a restart?

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Denis A . Altoé Falqueto]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Arno Gaboury  wrote:
>>> I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP. He asked about
>>> running Arch on a web server, not a thread of web hosting company ads.
>>
>> I'm not sure you really read the whole thread, but the OP explicitly
>> asked for input on host providers supporting Arch :)
>>
> You are right Denis, I asked too for providers supporting Arch, as it seems
> they are not so common.
>
> Please, there is no need to start a flame!! And TY for all these advises.

Oh, no flame from me :) Just pointing it out. Look at the smiley at the end :)

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Mateusz Loskot]

On 19 June 2012 14:49, Arno Gaboury  wrote:
> Please bear in mind I am not a tech pro, and even if I want to build the web
> server on my own coz tech is a hobby, I am looking for something not too
> difficult to deal with configuration, updates, and security.

1. Use what you are familiar with regarding your plans.
2. If you are not familiar with any particular OS regarding use cases
you are aiming,
then flip a coin with Debian on one side, and Cent OS on the other.

Best regards,
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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Arno Gaboury]

On 06/19/2012 03:48 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Szu-Han Chen  wrote:

I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP. He asked about
running Arch on a web server, not a thread of web hosting company ads.

I'm not sure you really read the whole thread, but the OP explicitly
asked for input on host providers supporting Arch :)

You are right Denis, I asked too for providers supporting Arch, as it 
seems they are not so common.


Please, there is no need to start a flame!! And TY for all these advises.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Arno Gaboury]

On 06/19/2012 03:42 PM, Szu-Han Chen wrote:

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 07:43:06AM -0500, Culley Smith wrote:

I have a Linode server running Arch.  I did a little tinkering to enable
kernel updates, but that's about it.  I  keep things up to date through
Pacman and haven't had many problems at all.  I've run php, ruby on
rails, apache, nginx, mysql, postgresql, redis, node.js, and a number of
server-side applications without a hitch.  I have found Arch a little
easier to configure (especially with newer technologies/versions of a
package) than other Linux distros.

Culley

On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:28 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote:


We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which provides
cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid servers.
They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is trivial.

---
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP.*He asked about
running Arch on a web server*, not a thread of web hosting company ads.

Was right now just thinking same. That's good to get some nice VPS 
provider names,but I am not sure to know more if I shall stay with Arch 
or go debian! Please bear in mind I am not a tech pro, and even if I 
want to build the web server on my own coz tech is a hobby, I am looking 
for something not too difficult to deal with configuration, updates, and 
security.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Denis A . Altoé Falqueto]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Szu-Han Chen  wrote:
> I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP. He asked about
> running Arch on a web server, not a thread of web hosting company ads.

I'm not sure you really read the whole thread, but the OP explicitly
asked for input on host providers supporting Arch :)

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Calvin Morrison]

On Jun 19, 2012 9:42 AM, "Szu-Han Chen"  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 07:43:06AM -0500, Culley Smith wrote:
> > I have a Linode server running Arch.  I did a little tinkering to enable
> > kernel updates, but that's about it.  I  keep things up to date through
> > Pacman and haven't had many problems at all.  I've run php, ruby on
> > rails, apache, nginx, mysql, postgresql, redis, node.js, and a number of
> > server-side applications without a hitch.  I have found Arch a little
> > easier to configure (especially with newer technologies/versions of a
> > package) than other Linux distros.
> >
> > Culley
> >
> > On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:28 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote:
> >
> > > We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which
provides
> > > cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid
servers.
> > > They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is
trivial.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
> >
>
> I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP. He asked about
> running Arch on a web server, not a thread of web hosting company ads.
>
> --
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There are always more eyes than just the OP

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Szu-Han Chen]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 07:43:06AM -0500, Culley Smith wrote:
> I have a Linode server running Arch.  I did a little tinkering to enable
> kernel updates, but that's about it.  I  keep things up to date through
> Pacman and haven't had many problems at all.  I've run php, ruby on
> rails, apache, nginx, mysql, postgresql, redis, node.js, and a number of
> server-side applications without a hitch.  I have found Arch a little
> easier to configure (especially with newer technologies/versions of a
> package) than other Linux distros.
> 
> Culley
> 
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:28 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote:
> 
> > We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which provides
> > cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid servers.
> > They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is trivial.
> > 
> > ---
> > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
> 

I'm not sure if these responses are really helping OP. He asked about
running Arch on a web server, not a thread of web hosting company ads.

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Calvin Morrison]

On Jun 19, 2012 9:29 AM, "Alper Kanat"  wrote:
>
> We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which
provides
> cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid servers.
> They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is trivial.
>
> ---
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

I use VPS-Forge which is also cheap - $8 a month starting. They support
Arch (and are very friendly)

Calvin

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Culley Smith]

I have a Linode server running Arch.  I did a little tinkering to enable
kernel updates, but that's about it.  I  keep things up to date through
Pacman and haven't had many problems at all.  I've run php, ruby on
rails, apache, nginx, mysql, postgresql, redis, node.js, and a number of
server-side applications without a hitch.  I have found Arch a little
easier to configure (especially with newer technologies/versions of a
package) than other Linux distros.

Culley

On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 16:28 +0300, Alper Kanat wrote:

> We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which provides
> cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid servers.
> They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is trivial.
> 
> ---
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Alper Kanat]

We bought our VPS' from Hetzner btw. Hetzner is a German ISP which provides
cheap (starts from 7€ just look at the price page) but rock solid servers.
They don't officially support Arch Linux but the installation is trivial.

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[satisficer]

On 2012-06-19, Arno Gaboury  wrote:
> Is there any provider offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near
> impossible, to find one.

Linode  is a VPS with Arch for USD 20/month. Easy
to setup, and if you screw up something while tinkering, you can just nuke
the image and install another one.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Alper Kanat]

Hey There,

As a Turkish digital social agency and a startup, we have recently
converted all our physical production servers to seperate Arch Linux VM's.
That not just saved us a lot money but also gave us the flexibility of a
primitive cloud. Being cutting edge led us to always support the upstream
and we experience no problems at all. IMHO it's hard to create and maintain
deb packages. Most common pattern is to find another project's deb files
and change accordingly. In Arch, you mostly have a single PKGBUILD file
which is super easy to create and modify. This saves lots of worktime when
we need a dependency which is not packaged. And contributing the distro
(via AUR) is a plus. :)

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Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Arno Gaboury]

On 06/19/2012 12:15 PM, Jean-Luc Bassereau wrote:



Le 19/06/2012 12:07, Arno Gaboury a écrit :

On 06/19/2012 11:56 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

Hi all,

I plan to settle in the comimg months a web server to deliver many 
services to the trading community (I am myself a trader).


I daily use Arch as my system on my home box, and I must admit I am 
very satisfied by its strength and its very active and deep involved 
community. My plan is to first train building the website on a VM 
server, then go to a remote dedicated server.


Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian 
distro rather than Archlinux as a web server? Is there any provider 
offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near impossible, to 
find one.


TY for your advises.

I just want to add I am just a small level over the n00b status,
let's say I am a n00b++, and learning Debian specificities can proove
to be a waste of time.



Depending on the webapps you wish to run, some of them might be very 
unpleased not to meet the "usual" distros.
Furthermore, administrating a production Arch web server might be in 
my own opinion a time consuming activity (regarding the rolling 
release aspect). Especially if (like most of admins) you prefer to 
test updates on a "PreProd" server before applying them on production 
one. You may probably have a look on the ArchServer project.


I want the website to be first a place for trading ideas/opinions 
exchange, with usual stuffs as mailing list, forum,chat rooms or any 
kind of article publishing. I need to be easily able to publish 
technical analysis in image format. I want to be able to provide live 
feeds, quick links to ouside article. Then, I will probably enable some 
kind of private login, with acsess to customisable pages.Last would be 
to sell analysis and risk mangement software/Latex processed automated 
reporting.

Nothing really fancy in fact.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Kevin Chadwick]

> Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian distro 
> rather than Archlinux as a web server?

If I was running arch because I wanted greater control or a more
specific setup, I would certainly either use something like ideally a
CARP firewall or if not possible, taking the performance and
secuity hit of virtual machines to enable fallover to a backup
webserver or alternatively test updates on a test machine before
updating.

You should do this on Debian or any server but it will be less of an
issue and so may or may not justify the extra effort/expense?.


In short, arch will likely be better but Debian will almost certainly be
more carefree.

My preference is OpenBSD.



 Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Jean-Luc Bassereau]

Le 19/06/2012 12:07, Arno Gaboury a écrit :

On 06/19/2012 11:56 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

Hi all,

I plan to settle in the comimg months a web server to deliver many 
services to the trading community (I am myself a trader).


I daily use Arch as my system on my home box, and I must admit I am 
very satisfied by its strength and its very active and deep involved 
community. My plan is to first train building the website on a VM 
server, then go to a remote dedicated server.


Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian 
distro rather than Archlinux as a web server? Is there any provider 
offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near impossible, to find 
one.


TY for your advises.

I just want to add I am just a small level over the n00b status,
let's say I am a n00b++, and learning Debian specificities can proove
to be a waste of time.



Depending on the webapps you wish to run, some of them might be very 
unpleased not to meet the "usual" distros.
Furthermore, administrating a production Arch web server might be in my 
own opinion a time consuming activity (regarding the rolling release 
aspect). Especially if (like most of admins) you prefer to test updates 
on a "PreProd" server before applying them on production one. You may 
probably have a look on the ArchServer project.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Sven-Hendrik Haase]

On 06/19/2012 11:56 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I plan to settle in the comimg months a web server to deliver many
> services to the trading community (I am myself a trader).
>
> I daily use Arch as my system on my home box, and I must admit I am
> very satisfied by its strength and its very active and deep involved
> community. My plan is to first train building the website on a VM
> server, then go to a remote dedicated server.
>
> Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian
> distro rather than Archlinux as a web server? Is there any provider
> offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near impossible, to find
> one.
>
> TY for your advises.
I've been running an Arch web server for 3 years and there are
absolutely no problems.

Re: [arch-general] Arch as a web server

[Arno Gaboury]

On 06/19/2012 11:56 AM, Arno Gaboury wrote:

Hi all,

I plan to settle in the comimg months a web server to deliver many 
services to the trading community (I am myself a trader).


I daily use Arch as my system on my home box, and I must admit I am 
very satisfied by its strength and its very active and deep involved 
community. My plan is to first train building the website on a VM 
server, then go to a remote dedicated server.


Can you please give me some pro/against reasons for using Debian 
distro rather than Archlinux as a web server? Is there any provider 
offering Arch distro, as it seems it is hard, near impossible, to find 
one.


TY for your advises.
I just want to add I am just a small level over the n00b status, let's 
say I am a n00b++, and learning Debian specificities can proove to be a 
waste of time.