Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
Arvid Picciani wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) Suggestions: 1. Rename all your packages appropriately (e.g. append -heresy or -nodbus or -whatever). This way your packages won't get unistalled if they lag behind the official ones. 2. Add your repo to the unofficial user repos at the wiki (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unofficial_user_repositories) 3. Make x86_64 builds (remember, the main reason of UURs is convenience, so that people don't have to compile themselves - otherwise ABS/AUR would suffice) 4. Rewrite some stuff in philosophy, being polite never hurt anyone. -- X.
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Christos Nouskas n...@archlinux.us wrote: Arvid Picciani wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) Suggestions: 1. Rename all your packages appropriately (e.g. append -heresy or -nodbus or -whatever). This way your packages won't get unistalled if they lag behind the official ones. No, this isn't how pacman works. If his repo comes before the official ones in pacman.conf, it will override them regardless of version comparisons.
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 05:29 +0200, Christos Nouskas wrote: Ray Kohler wrote: Suggestions: 1. Rename all your packages appropriately (e.g. append -heresy or -nodbus or -whatever). This way your packages won't get unistalled if they lag behind the official ones. No, this isn't how pacman works. If his repo comes before the official ones in pacman.conf, it will override them regardless of version comparisons. I know, but why would anyone in their right mind put some tro^Wguy's custom repo _before_ the official ones, especially when the provided packages are not the nightly builds of insert_your_fav_app but ones like xorg-server? In the preceding conversations some have said they would. The whole point of his repo is to maintain separate versions of xorg-server sans some bloat.
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
Ng Oon-Ee wrote: I know, but why would anyone in their right mind put some tro^Wguy's custom repo _before_ the official ones, especially when the provided packages are not the nightly builds of insert_your_fav_app but ones like xorg-server? In the preceding conversations some have said they would. The whole point of his repo is to maintain separate versions of xorg-server sans some bloat. IMO, custom packages providing different functionality (or having important different dependencies for that matter) should have different names, e.g. nvidia-beta, kernel26-bfs, skype-oss, [kdemod-*], [nightly]. At the very least, it allows for for faster troubleshooting. Again, IMO. -- X.
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Aaron Griffin aaronmgrif...@gmail.comwrote: The only change you made is to disable the hal stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine except for that. Since when does xorg support automatic device configuration without HAL? I thought that without HAL you would need a complete xorg.conf just like the old days. Has this changed?
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop
On 12/02/2009 08:19 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) you fail from start. your repo is called antidesktop but having xorg-server in your repo is pro desktop :D
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) This is exactly in the spirit of the whole arch community thing. As an FYI, I may use your xorg-server package myself (I won't have to recompile it myself). The only change you made is to disable the hal stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine except for that. Would you mind throwing the PKGBUILDs you use up there as well?
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Ionut Biru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 12/02/2009 08:19 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) you fail from start. your repo is called antidesktop but having xorg-server in your repo is pro desktop :D The term antidesktop comes from an old freshmeat posting: http://freshmeat.net/articles/the-antidesktop
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop
Aaron Griffin wrote: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Contributors very welcome :) This is exactly in the spirit of the whole arch community thing. glad i finally did understand some parts of it :D As an FYI, I may use your xorg-server package myself (I won't have to recompile it myself). The only change you made is to disable the hal stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine except for that. Would you mind throwing the PKGBUILDs you use up there as well? of course. they are available on the linked bitbucket project. http://bitbucket.org/aep/arch-antidesktop/src/tip/xorg-server/PKGBUILD -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On 12/2/09, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Regardless of the fact that I like this initiative, and might use some, I find the site too boasty: large user base ... for power users... unfixed packages that adhere to the arch way I would be more humble. After all, you're fixing only an extremely small bit of the whole archlinux. Good luck, Jan
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: Aaron Griffin wrote: Would you mind throwing the PKGBUILDs you use up there as well? of course. they are available on the linked bitbucket project. http://bitbucket.org/aep/arch-antidesktop/src/tip/xorg-server/PKGBUILD Doh, didn't see that link at the bottom (PS typo on the web page s/wellcome/welcome/)
Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:33 PM, bender02 bende...@archlinux.us wrote: On 12/2/09, Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: http://heresy.asgaartech.com/ Let me know if this solution works for everyone and/or if anyone is offended by anything on that site or the fact that it exists and/or if anything should be added to it. Regardless of the fact that I like this initiative, and might use some, I find the site too boasty: large user base ... for power users... unfixed packages that adhere to the arch way I would be more humble. After all, you're fixing only an extremely small bit of the whole archlinux. Good luck, Jan Actually, I propose to change the catchphrase to Arch Linux for Minimalists. There's plenty of power users (called so because they know a lot about the system) and prefer to use gnome/kde.
