Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 05/09/2010 12:35 AM, Allan McRae wrote: On 08/05/10 23:11, Matěj Týč wrote: What's wrong with that pacmatic functionality that shomehow tries to solve this, since it is not implemented in pacman? pacmantic's functionality is Arch specific while pacman is not. Message 29 in a thread that had the initial question answered in post #2... :) Touché Glad someone said it.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 08/05/10 23:11, Matěj Týč wrote: What's wrong with that pacmatic functionality that shomehow tries to solve this, since it is not implemented in pacman? pacmantic's functionality is Arch specific while pacman is not. Message 29 in a thread that had the initial question answered in post #2... :)
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
- Original Message From: Kaiting Chen To: General Discussion about Arch Linux Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 9:50:24 AM Subject: Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim? Hey just want to jump in here and say that I don't think it's a problem in communication. We like Linux and especially Arch because it lets us do what we want, and with power comes responsibility. That responsibility means that one should do a kernel of research before asking for help. In this case it took me less than a second to Google for 'arch vim gvim' and see that the first item on the list was the news announce about the updated packages. You can't have power without responsibility; I need the flexibility of Arch to maintain a small cluster that combines security, centralized administration, as well as the cutting edge software necessary for a testbed, so I am willing to put some time into my system administration. I'm not saying that everyone needs to invest that much time into maintaining their systems, but if you can't be bothered to enter three keywords into Google you really shouldn't be using Arch. Kaiting. --- Well said sir. On another note, I have seen some of David's postings where he was really trying to help people, e.g., his notes on setting up Apache etc from quite awhile back - he does seem to post a lot, and honestly I did start not paying attention to a lot of them, but I think he is a good guy, and we should be careful not to alienate users. Yes, while most of everything that has been said is true, everyone should remember that tone is very important and often reveals much more than the underlying factual content of what is attempting to be conveyed, even (or sometimes moreso) in textual conversation. I understand that this sort of tone may be warranted, but I think at this point (hopefully), he gets it. Keeping the tone positive I think is a good thing guys. -Jonathan
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
Hey just want to jump in here and say that I don't think it's a problem in communication. We like Linux and especially Arch because it lets us do what we want, and with power comes responsibility. That responsibility means that one should do a kernel of research before asking for help. In this case it took me less than a second to Google for 'arch vim gvim' and see that the first item on the list was the news announce about the updated packages. You can't have power without responsibility; I need the flexibility of Arch to maintain a small cluster that combines security, centralized administration, as well as the cutting edge software necessary for a testbed, so I am willing to put some time into my system administration. I'm not saying that everyone needs to invest that much time into maintaining their systems, but if you can't be bothered to enter three keywords into Google you really shouldn't be using Arch. Kaiting. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Matěj Týč wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 11:57 +0200, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: > > I think the question "Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?" > > reveals a problem of communication. Let me explain: > > > > The news/announce "Vim/GVim 7.2.411 Update" has been published the > > 2010-04-18 (when vim/gvim landed in [testing] ?). So it's over 19 days > > now. That's the problem. Even on the website you have to scroll down > > quite a bit to finaly see that news. > > ... > > One idea would be that announces for [testing] could be done on a > > separate channel/mailing-list ? and that announces for > > core/extra/community are made in arch-announce and on the website at the > > time packages landed in core/extra/community (1 or 2 days before)? > > > > What do you think ? > > > > Guys, he is right. > > Sometimes it happens that you encounter an issue that has been covered > in news when you install Arch and then you run pacman -Syu months after > the news entry was published. > > This is a problem, at least to some extent and it should be looked at > it, maybe someone can come up with a brilliant idea... > > But it is not the first time this has been discussed, it comes every > time when an important news is released. > What's wrong with that pacmatic functionality that shomehow tries to > solve this, since it is not implemented in pacman? > > > -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 11:57 +0200, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: > I think the question "Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?" > reveals a problem of communication. Let me explain: > > The news/announce "Vim/GVim 7.2.411 Update" has been published the > 2010-04-18 (when vim/gvim landed in [testing] ?). So it's over 19 days > now. That's the problem. Even on the website you have to scroll down > quite a bit to finaly see that news. > ... > One idea would be that announces for [testing] could be done on a > separate channel/mailing-list ? and that announces for > core/extra/community are made in arch-announce and on the website at the > time packages landed in core/extra/community (1 or 2 days before)? > > What do you think ? > Guys, he is right. Sometimes it happens that you encounter an issue that has been covered in news when you install Arch and then you run pacman -Syu months after the news entry was published. This is a problem, at least to some extent and it should be looked at it, maybe someone can come up with a brilliant idea... But it is not the first time this has been discussed, it comes every time when an important news is released. What's wrong with that pacmatic functionality that shomehow tries to solve this, since it is not implemented in pacman?
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
Excerpts from solsTiCe d'Hiver's message of 2010-05-08 11:57:45 +0200: > I think the question "Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?" > reveals a problem of communication. Let me explain: > > The news/announce "Vim/GVim 7.2.411 Update" has been published the > 2010-04-18 (when vim/gvim landed in [testing] ?). So it's over 19 days > now. That's the problem. Even on the website you have to scroll down > quite a bit to finaly see that news. > > Because even for an arch user that follows arch-announce or keep > himself/herself updated on archlinux status/news, he/she has certainly > already forgotten that news when vim/gvim finally landed in [extra]. Right. I did read this mail before I upgraded, so I was kind of prepared, otherwise I would have wondered as well. I do remember that there was a vim/gvim related news item, but I thought the change had happened weeks ago. Maybe it was another vim/gvim thing... As for what to do about such a thing... I don't know. Certainly not jump on trees if someone asks a question. -- Regards, Philipp
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
I think the question "Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?" reveals a problem of communication. Let me explain: The news/announce "Vim/GVim 7.2.411 Update" has been published the 2010-04-18 (when vim/gvim landed in [testing] ?). So it's over 19 days now. That's the problem. Even on the website you have to scroll down quite a bit to finaly see that news. Because even for an arch user that follows arch-announce or keep himself/herself updated on archlinux status/news, he/she has certainly already forgotten that news when vim/gvim finally landed in [extra]. There could be a mechanism to remind us, arch users, of the previous news may be. Something non redundant with the already published news. One idea would be that announces for [testing] could be done on a separate channel/mailing-list ? and that announces for core/extra/community are made in arch-announce and on the website at the time packages landed in core/extra/community (1 or 2 days before)? What do you think ?
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Sat, 2010-05-08 at 09:29 +0800, Ye Li wrote: > I have to say althogh he may not act so "experienced" when facing problems, > I still like guys like David, about his passion in pursuing Linux > deployment in layer offices. I still remember somebody said when David came > to this ML the first time that "this guy makes this mailing list more active > rather than silent as it doesn't exist at all". > > We need voices, if you don't like some just ignore them. Provided they are > not spam of course. Voices are needed in 'discussion', as that builds community. Trivial help requests don't. The "if you don't like it just ignore it" viewpoint can potentially be the first dip down the slippery slope of help vampirism and the ubuntu-fication of a community. Ubuntu is great in what it does, but I think Arch is for a different set of users, and would hate to see it becoming just another A-buntu or something.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
I have to say althogh he may not act so "experienced" when facing problems, I still like guys like David, about his passion in pursuing Linux deployment in layer offices. I still remember somebody said when David came to this ML the first time that "this guy makes this mailing list more active rather than silent as it doesn't exist at all". We need voices, if you don't like some just ignore them. Provided they are not spam of course. Greetings, On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:33 AM, Dave Morgan wrote: > On 07/05/10 at 10:07pm, Philipp wrote: > > Excerpts from Robert Howard's message of 2010-05-07 18:46:24 +0200: > > > Geez. I guess it's just hard for people like David and myself, in my > case a > > > loyal Arch user for the better part of a decade, to understand the > > > how-dare-you post a question asshole attitude that seems to have built > up in > > > the mailing lists over the past few years. > > > > It's even worse on IRC. You don't want to go there, believe me. > > If you have thick skin and a lot of time you might get a helpful answer > > eventually but it's not for the faint hearted. > > -- > > > > Regards, > > Philipp > > > > If that is the case, the real question is why do questions not receive > reasonable > answers? If the reasonable answer is RTFM then fair enough, but if people > simply receive aggressive replies then that's the problem. > > -- > Dave. >
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 07/05/10 at 10:07pm, Philipp wrote: > Excerpts from Robert Howard's message of 2010-05-07 18:46:24 +0200: > > Geez. I guess it's just hard for people like David and myself, in my case a > > loyal Arch user for the better part of a decade, to understand the > > how-dare-you post a question asshole attitude that seems to have built up in > > the mailing lists over the past few years. > > It's even worse on IRC. You don't want to go there, believe me. > If you have thick skin and a lot of time you might get a helpful answer > eventually but it's not for the faint hearted. > -- > > Regards, > Philipp > If that is the case, the real question is why do questions not receive reasonable answers? If the reasonable answer is RTFM then fair enough, but if people simply receive aggressive replies then that's the problem. -- Dave.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
Excerpts from Robert Howard's message of 2010-05-07 18:46:24 +0200: > Geez. I guess it's just hard for people like David and myself, in my case a > loyal Arch user for the better part of a decade, to understand the > how-dare-you post a question asshole attitude that seems to have built up in > the mailing lists over the past few years. It's even worse on IRC. You don't want to go there, believe me. If you have thick skin and a lot of time you might get a helpful answer eventually but it's not for the faint hearted. -- Regards, Philipp
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Friday 07 May 2010 18:28:57 Xavier Chantry wrote: > Maybe try irc next time, at least people won't debate for hours > whether you should have searched first or not. > They will just tell you to read the f* news, possibly with a link :) using "pacmatic" could help, too Bye...Frank
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
Geez. I guess it's just hard for people like David and myself, in my case a loyal Arch user for the better part of a decade, to understand the how-dare-you post a question asshole attitude that seems to have built up in the mailing lists over the past few years. On May 7, 2010 12:29 PM, "Xavier Chantry" wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Guys, > >... Maybe try irc next time, at least people won't debate for hours whether you should have searched first or not. They will just tell you to read the f* news, possibly with a link :)
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:08 PM, pyther wrote: > 2.3. Set http;//home.archlinux.ca as you homepage > Instead of just ignoring threads like this, I do a quick read of everything. Sometimes, it pays off. I did not know about this start page! Very nice, indeed =) Thank you, pyther. -- Guilherme M. Nogueira "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Guys, > > I have had vim and gvim installed side by side for 6 months+, today > during > update, pacman wanted to remove vim because it now conflicts with gvim. So I > removed gvim and updated. What is the conflict? Why a conflict now when there > hasn't been one in the past? Just checking... > Maybe try irc next time, at least people won't debate for hours whether you should have searched first or not. They will just tell you to read the f* news, possibly with a link :)
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, 7 May 2010 09:48:39 -0500 Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: > > > http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ > > > > * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim > > conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of > > vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now > > installs vim as well. > > > > -- > > Gruß, Johannes > > http://hehejo.de > > > > This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be > updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine > and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch > on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read > the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering > questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they > never come up. IMO instead of attacking the poor soul you should point him nicely in the right direction, like the 2 posting before you did.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 07/05/10 17:10, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Nathan Wayde wrote: On 07/05/10 15:48, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as well. -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they never come up. Really dude? you complain about him wasting time when you could find the time to dig up some old mail that was answered ages ago to attack the guy for asking questions? I'm sure we can all agree that it's important for an Arch user to be more independent and put more effort into solving our own problem but did you know you can simply ignore any of these questions? It doesn't take any effort since the bulk of the issue was already in the title. To be honest I simply cannot take this kind of negativity. I would really like for this kind of attitude to stay away from Arch because it's not nice and it's the very thing I hate about the Linux community in general. First off it wasnt mail, it was headline archlinux.org news. Secondly, for me to expect people to use the resources Arch provides to resolve issues is not crazy, and this is one issue among many dealing with the same thing. If you refuse to read and stay updated why should any of us bother with helping? Its spam that could be avoided with proper practices. We are not here to babysit. If you dont like the principles arch runs with, use another distro. That is not negativity but an expectation that you are using the distro the way it is intended. congrats guys.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Nathan Wayde wrote: > On 07/05/10 15:48, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: >> >> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ >>> >>> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim >>> conflicts >>> with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim >>> separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as >>> well. >>> >>> -- >>> Gruß, Johannes >>> http://hehejo.de >>> >>> >> This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be >> updating >> regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are >> worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, >> forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update >> regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch >> maintenance would ensure that they never come up. >> >> Really dude? you complain about him wasting time when you could find the > time to dig up some old mail that was answered ages ago to attack the guy > for asking questions? > > I'm sure we can all agree that it's important for an Arch user to be more > independent and put more effort into solving our own problem but did you > know you can simply ignore any of these questions? > > It doesn't take any effort since the bulk of the issue was already in the > title. > > To be honest I simply cannot take this kind of negativity. I would really > like for this kind of attitude to stay away from Arch because it's not nice > and it's the very thing I hate about the Linux community in general. > First off it wasnt mail, it was headline archlinux.org news. Secondly, for me to expect people to use the resources Arch provides to resolve issues is not crazy, and this is one issue among many dealing with the same thing. If you refuse to read and stay updated why should any of us bother with helping? Its spam that could be avoided with proper practices. We are not here to babysit. If you dont like the principles arch runs with, use another distro. That is not negativity but an expectation that you are using the distro the way it is intended.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 05/07/2010 11:54 AM, Nathan Wayde wrote: On 07/05/10 15:48, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as well. -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they never come up. Really dude? you complain about him wasting time when you could find the time to dig up some old mail that was answered ages ago to attack the guy for asking questions? He didn't have to lookup anything. This is likely the 2-3rd time that he has asked about stuff that has been covered in the news or extensively on the forums and what not. David Rankin posts the most new topics on this list, many of which, are elementary and/or off-topic and belong to the forums. I'm sure we can all agree that it's important for an Arch user to be more independent and put more effort into solving our own problem but did you know you can simply ignore any of these questions? Post on the forum, that is why it exists. Arch-general is generally aimed for more advance issues that haven't been covered else where. The mailing list should have a much higher technical level than the forums. It doesn't take any effort since the bulk of the issue was already in the title. It wastes my bandwidth and results in more crap to filter out. To be honest I simply cannot take this kind of negativity. I would really like for this kind of attitude to stay away from Arch because it's not nice and it's the very thing I hate about the Linux community in general. This is the attitude that has made arch the way it is. It's all these new comers from "soft" distros that are trying to change it. Back in 05 and 06 it was common place to receive a google link for a question like this. Is their a limit, of course, but arch is not the distro to sugar coat and hold peoples hands! Don't like it start a fork! If start letting arch become a easy entry distro then we'll end up with another ubuntu, fedora, suse, etc... @David Rankin 1. Update regularly - at least one time a week 2.1. Subscribe to arch-announce 2.2. http://www.archlinux.org/feeds/news/ 2.3. Set http;//home.archlinux.ca as you homepage 3. Google whenever you have a problem 4. For stuff not directly related to arch, aka a problem with a package, cool themes, etc... post in the forums. It is a much more open environment.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 05/07/2010 11:27 AM, Ray Kohler wrote: At the very least, I wish you would post your tech-support questions on the forums, which are designed for that kind of content (and are sadly already a bit overrun). This list, as I understand it, is intended as the primary means for users to communicate with the devs, not a help-channel. Filling it with ordinary help requests makes it much less useful. You have a legit point that David (and others) should do a little research first before asking for help. But your characterization of the mailing list - and your assertion that all tech help requests belong on the forums - are both wrong. The list is called "Arch general", and the devs have stated the list's purpose as follows: "This mailing list hosts general discusson about the Arch Linux distribution. Questions, problems, and new development ideas can be posted here." http://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general So tech questions and requests for help, then, would seem to be completely *on* topic for the list. (Although, again, people should be considerate enough to do some homework first (i.e., read the news, and search the forums, wiki, and/or google first) before posting.) Which would match with what I've seen, having been an Arch user and list member for about 6 or 7 years now. People have been using the list for questions and tech help for as long as I've been here. DR
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 07/05/10 15:48, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as well. -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they never come up. Really dude? you complain about him wasting time when you could find the time to dig up some old mail that was answered ages ago to attack the guy for asking questions? I'm sure we can all agree that it's important for an Arch user to be more independent and put more effort into solving our own problem but did you know you can simply ignore any of these questions? It doesn't take any effort since the bulk of the issue was already in the title. To be honest I simply cannot take this kind of negativity. I would really like for this kind of attitude to stay away from Arch because it's not nice and it's the very thing I hate about the Linux community in general.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
2010/5/7 Angel Velásquez : > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:57 AM, David C. Rankin > wrote: >> On 05/07/2010 09:48 AM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: >>> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: >>> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as well. -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de >>> >>> This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating >>> regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are >>> worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, >>> forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update >>> regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch >>> maintenance would ensure that they never come up. >>> >> >> It's people like you that give arch a bad reputation. Grow up. >> > > David, > > You have to understand too that It's annoying ot ask anything without > doing a quick search on google, it's different when you didn't found > anything (note: previous search before to ask should be the way) and > then you ask here, but if you didn't a simple research, it's like you > see us that we are here to do that research for you, don't say grow > up, they will say you the classic RTFM or SFTW, just an advice, I > personally don't like to reply e-mails that can be solved with a > little investigation :) > > And Arch can have bad reputation as ubuntu/fedora/suse have bad > user-community reputation (don't search first, just ask and re-ask > questions that have been replied before) it doesn't matter the distro. > > As I said, personally I don't like to reply that kind of e-mails but, > if the user it's insistent like (hey nobody didn't replied me!) I > will surely reply (If I got pissed) with a kind of reply of "SFTW" or > the link with (google:"phrase to search" + i feel lucky) David, I basically agree with angvp here also. At times, you alone have been responsible for a huge proportion of traffic on this list, mostly asking questions about some small difficulty that an Arch user is expected to figure out on his/her own. I've several times in the past suspended delivery of arch-general because this noise becomes too much to follow. Arch is more in danger of being overrun by Help Vampires the way Ubuntu and Fedora already have, than it is of getting an arrogant reputation. At the very least, I wish you would post your tech-support questions on the forums, which are designed for that kind of content (and are sadly already a bit overrun). This list, as I understand it, is intended as the primary means for users to communicate with the devs, not a help-channel. Filling it with ordinary help requests makes it much less useful. There's also no excuse for not reading the front page news. Reading, understanding, and making appropriate use of that news is a base requirement for participation in this community.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 05/07/2010 11:43 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, I have had vim and gvim installed side by side for 6 months+, today during update, pacman wanted to remove vim because it now conflicts with gvim. So I removed gvim and updated. What is the conflict? Why a conflict now when there hasn't been one in the past? Just checking... http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/19087 basically in the past when installing gvim when having vim, we had some hacky symlinks, now gvim comes with vim and that's why is conflicting. -- Ionut
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri 07 May 2010 10:01 -0500, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, David C. Rankin < > drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > > > On 05/07/2010 09:48 AM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: > > > > > >> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ > > >> > > >> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim > > >> conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation > > >> of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim > > >> package now installs vim as well. > > > > > > This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not > > > be updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production > > > machine and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be > > > running arch on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who > > > refuse to read the news or update regularly, and we all waste time > > > answering questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure > > > that they never come up. > > > > It's people like you that give arch a bad reputation. Grow up. > > Saying you were wrong would be the more mature avenue. I did not bash > or call names, I stated the obvious. This is not the first time the ML > has been posted with your obvious questions. Yeah. If you notice something odd on your system please take the time to read the news before asking a question. If you have some more time maybe check the forum and wiki as well. Cheers.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:57 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 05/07/2010 09:48 AM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: >> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: >> >>> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ >>> >>> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts >>> with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim >>> separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as >>> well. >>> >>> -- >>> Gruß, Johannes >>> http://hehejo.de >>> >> >> This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating >> regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are >> worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, >> forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update >> regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch >> maintenance would ensure that they never come up. >> > > It's people like you that give arch a bad reputation. Grow up. > David, You have to understand too that It's annoying ot ask anything without doing a quick search on google, it's different when you didn't found anything (note: previous search before to ask should be the way) and then you ask here, but if you didn't a simple research, it's like you see us that we are here to do that research for you, don't say grow up, they will say you the classic RTFM or SFTW, just an advice, I personally don't like to reply e-mails that can be solved with a little investigation :) And Arch can have bad reputation as ubuntu/fedora/suse have bad user-community reputation (don't search first, just ask and re-ask questions that have been replied before) it doesn't matter the distro. As I said, personally I don't like to reply that kind of e-mails but, if the user it's insistent like (hey nobody didn't replied me!) I will surely reply (If I got pissed) with a kind of reply of "SFTW" or the link with (google:"phrase to search" + i feel lucky) Cheers! -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > On 05/07/2010 09:48 AM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: > > > >> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ > >> > >> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim > conflicts > >> with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim > >> separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as > >> well. > >> > >> -- > >> Gruß, Johannes > >> http://hehejo.de > >> > > > > This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be > updating > > regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are > > worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, > > forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update > > regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper > arch > > maintenance would ensure that they never come up. > > > > It's people like you that give arch a bad reputation. Grow up. > > -- > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC > 510 Ochiltree Street > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 > Telephone: (936) 715-9333 > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 > www.rankinlawfirm.com > Saying you were wrong would be the more mature avenue. I did not bash or call names, I stated the obvious. This is not the first time the ML has been posted with your obvious questions.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On 05/07/2010 09:48 AM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: > >> http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ >> >> * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts >> with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim >> separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as >> well. >> >> -- >> Gruß, Johannes >> http://hehejo.de >> > > This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating > regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are > worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, > forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update > regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch > maintenance would ensure that they never come up. > It's people like you that give arch a bad reputation. Grow up. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Johannes Held wrote: > http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ > > * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts > with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim > separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as > well. > > -- > Gruß, Johannes > http://hehejo.de > This is a rolling release, not an LTS. There is no excuse to not be updating regularly and reading the news. If its a production machine and you are worried about breakage maybe you shouldnt be running arch on it. The ML, forums, and irc are full of people who refuse to read the news or update regularly, and we all waste time answering questions that with proper arch maintenance would ensure that they never come up.
Re: [arch-general] Err... Why is gvim now conflicting with vim?
http://www.archlinux.org/news/495/ * If you have gvim installed, the update will inform you that vim conflicts with gvim. This is the expected behavior. Installation of vim and gvim separately is no longer required, the gvim package now installs vim as well. -- Gruß, Johannes http://hehejo.de signature.asc Description: PGP signature
