Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On 2014-10-10 11:59, Daniel Micay wrote: On 10/10/14 11:52 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I noticed the announcement today that Ubuntu now supports Netflix streaming, due to new features recently added to the Chrome browser. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/ Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Thanks, DR It should work out-of-the-box in Chrome, but Chromium doesn't come with the PPAPI plugin for EME. I don't know how feasible it is to get that plugin working in Chromium. For the Pepper Flash plugin, it's as simple as dropping the shared object into the directory and adding 2 cli flags. There would be little point in getting it to work with Chromium anyway. Why would you care if you're using an open source browser if you're gonna add a propietary DRM plugin onto it? Just pick Chrome and avoid the hastle. That is, after all, what Chrome is: Chromium + propietary addons (+ some rebranding). -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. Q: Why should I start my reply below the quoted text? pgpDxJre9LfwA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
2014-10-14 8:13 GMT+02:00 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@barrera.io: There would be little point in getting it to work with Chromium anyway. Why would you care if you're using an open source browser if you're gonna add a propietary DRM plugin onto it? Just pick Chrome and avoid the hastle. That is, after all, what Chrome is: Chromium + propietary addons (+ some rebranding). A proprietary plugin can be sandboxed, to be sure it doesn't do anything it's not supposed to do. That's at least the idea that the Firefox people want to implement. Besides that, just using Chrome is indeed the easiest solution right now. The only problem is that it is not in the official Arch repositories, leading to more hassle. Would it be possible to move it there from the AUR? We have lots of closed-source software in the official repositories, and I think Chrome (with EME and Flash Player built in!) would be very useful for people. We already have the old NPAPI Flash Player, so I don't see why this would be a problem. Sebastiaan
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:28:46 +0200 Sebastiaan Lokhorst sebastiaanlokho...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-14 8:13 GMT+02:00 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@barrera.io: There would be little point in getting it to work with Chromium anyway. Why would you care if you're using an open source browser if you're gonna add a propietary DRM plugin onto it? Just pick Chrome and avoid the hastle. That is, after all, what Chrome is: Chromium + propietary addons (+ some rebranding). A proprietary plugin can be sandboxed, to be sure it doesn't do anything it's not supposed to do. That's at least the idea that the Firefox people want to implement. Besides that, just using Chrome is indeed the easiest solution right now. The only problem is that it is not in the official Arch repositories, leading to more hassle. Would it be possible to move it there from the AUR? We have lots of closed-source software in the official repositories, and I think Chrome (with EME and Flash Player built in!) would be very useful for people. We already have the old NPAPI Flash Player, so I don't see why this would be a problem. Sebastiaan I believe the closed source portions are non-redistributable.
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
2014-10-14 8:40 GMT+02:00 Doug Newgard scim...@archlinux.info: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:28:46 +0200 Sebastiaan Lokhorst sebastiaanlokho...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-14 8:13 GMT+02:00 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@barrera.io: There would be little point in getting it to work with Chromium anyway. Why would you care if you're using an open source browser if you're gonna add a propietary DRM plugin onto it? Just pick Chrome and avoid the hastle. That is, after all, what Chrome is: Chromium + propietary addons (+ some rebranding). A proprietary plugin can be sandboxed, to be sure it doesn't do anything it's not supposed to do. That's at least the idea that the Firefox people want to implement. Besides that, just using Chrome is indeed the easiest solution right now. The only problem is that it is not in the official Arch repositories, leading to more hassle. Would it be possible to move it there from the AUR? We have lots of closed-source software in the official repositories, and I think Chrome (with EME and Flash Player built in!) would be very useful for people. We already have the old NPAPI Flash Player, so I don't see why this would be a problem. Sebastiaan I believe the closed source portions are non-redistributable. Unfortunately, you seem to be right... From https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/eula_text.html : 5.3 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose. Thanks for the quick reply anyway! :) Sebastiaan
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On 2014-10-14 08:49, Sebastiaan Lokhorst wrote: 2014-10-14 8:40 GMT+02:00 Doug Newgard scim...@archlinux.info: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:28:46 +0200 Sebastiaan Lokhorst sebastiaanlokho...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-10-14 8:13 GMT+02:00 Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@barrera.io: There would be little point in getting it to work with Chromium anyway. Why would you care if you're using an open source browser if you're gonna add a propietary DRM plugin onto it? Just pick Chrome and avoid the hastle. That is, after all, what Chrome is: Chromium + propietary addons (+ some rebranding). A proprietary plugin can be sandboxed, to be sure it doesn't do anything it's not supposed to do. That's at least the idea that the Firefox people want to implement. Besides that, just using Chrome is indeed the easiest solution right now. The only problem is that it is not in the official Arch repositories, leading to more hassle. Would it be possible to move it there from the AUR? We have lots of closed-source software in the official repositories, and I think Chrome (with EME and Flash Player built in!) would be very useful for people. We already have the old NPAPI Flash Player, so I don't see why this would be a problem. Sebastiaan I believe the closed source portions are non-redistributable. Unfortunately, you seem to be right... From https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/privacy/eula_text.html : 5.3 Unless you have been specifically permitted to do so in a separate agreement with Google, you agree that you will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade or resell the Services for any purpose. Thanks for the quick reply anyway! :) Sebastiaan If you're really interested in doing so, you may ask google for permission. This has already been done for skype [0]. Cheers, [0]: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PERMISSION?h=packages/skype -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. Q: Why should I start my reply below the quoted text? pgpVACV5gC2eH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:52:03 -0400 David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: I'm a chromium user, so looks like I'll have to switch to chrome. No need to switch, it installs in parallel. Just run /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable to get chrome instead of chromium. -- Joakim
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
Just because there still seems to be some confusion: Plugin-free Netflix requires Embedded Media Extensions (EME).[1] This is supported by all major closed-source browsers: Internet Explorer, Safari and Chrome. This includes Chrome on Arch (available in the AUR), without the need for any user-agent hacking or plugins. EME however requires a closed source component, therefore it is NOT available in open-source browsers, such as Chromium and Firefox, and likely _never_ will be. In the future, it might be possible to use some kind of closed-source plugin to support this in open-source browsers, but there is none at the moment. (there was some discussion about this with Firefox, see [1] for more details) So basically, at the moment you have two options to use Netflix on Arch: (1) install a closed-source browser (i.e. Chrome) with EME, where it will work out-of-the-box, or (2) install a open-source browser with all kinds of hackery such as Pipelight. I hope that this clears things up. Sebastiaan [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On 10/11/2014 04:19 AM, Sebastiaan Lokhorst wrote: Just because there still seems to be some confusion: Plugin-free Netflix requires Embedded Media Extensions (EME).[1] This is supported by all major closed-source browsers: Internet Explorer, Safari and Chrome. This includes Chrome on Arch (available in the AUR), without the need for any user-agent hacking or plugins. EME however requires a closed source component, therefore it is NOT available in open-source browsers, such as Chromium and Firefox, and likely _never_ will be. In the future, it might be possible to use some kind of closed-source plugin to support this in open-source browsers, but there is none at the moment. (there was some discussion about this with Firefox, see [1] for more details) So basically, at the moment you have two options to use Netflix on Arch: (1) install a closed-source browser (i.e. Chrome) with EME, where it will work out-of-the-box, or (2) install a open-source browser with all kinds of hackery such as Pipelight. I hope that this clears things up. Sebastiaan [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions Very much so. Thanks much for the update. I'm a chromium user, so looks like I'll have to switch to chrome. DR
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 10:19:49AM +0200, Sebastiaan Lokhorst wrote: Just because there still seems to be some confusion: Plugin-free Netflix requires Embedded Media Extensions (EME).[1] This is supported by all major closed-source browsers: Internet Explorer, Safari and Chrome. This includes Chrome on Arch (available in the AUR), without the need for any user-agent hacking or plugins. EME however requires a closed source component, therefore it is NOT available in open-source browsers, such as Chromium and Firefox, and likely _never_ will be. In the future, it might be possible to use some kind of closed-source plugin to support this in open-source browsers, but there is none at the moment. (there was some discussion about this with Firefox, see [1] for more details) So basically, at the moment you have two options to use Netflix on Arch: (1) install a closed-source browser (i.e. Chrome) with EME, where it will work out-of-the-box, or (2) install a open-source browser with all kinds of hackery such as Pipelight. I hope that this clears things up. Sebastiaan [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions Somewhat offtopic and I don't want to start any flamewars, but things like EME makes me really sad. Still today, when open source and Free Software is gaining more and more attraction, companies are developing these proprietary systems. Now with EME available, even the Internet is becoming poisoned. If Netflix wanted, I'm sure there would be a way to stream videos without this and still keep the company profitable. Of course, it's not Netflix alone. Movie companies are probably pushing this a lot to limit unauthorized copying. Which again, I think, could be done in some other way than developing proprietary crap. -- Niko Rosvall http://www.ideabyte.net
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
Hi learning this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pipelight https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/netflix-desktop/ sorry my english :) 2014-10-10 12:52 GMT-03:00 David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net: I noticed the announcement today that Ubuntu now supports Netflix streaming, due to new features recently added to the Chrome browser. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/ Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Thanks, DR
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On 10 Oct 2014, at 16:52, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Some more info here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/netflix-linux-html5-support-plugins -- :wq! signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
On 10/10/14 11:52 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I noticed the announcement today that Ubuntu now supports Netflix streaming, due to new features recently added to the Chrome browser. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/ Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Thanks, DR It should work out-of-the-box in Chrome, but Chromium doesn't come with the PPAPI plugin for EME. I don't know how feasible it is to get that plugin working in Chromium. For the Pepper Flash plugin, it's as simple as dropping the shared object into the directory and adding 2 cli flags. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
Starting with Chrome 38, DRM can be managed by HTML5. Firefox and other browsers have not implemented this yet because the code for this is closed source. I believe you still need to use a plugin such as user agent switcher, as Netflix will not play natively on linux machines. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Don Harper d...@duckland.org wrote: On 2014-10-10 11:59 AM, Daniel Micay wrote to To arch-general@archlinux.org: On 10/10/14 11:52 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I noticed the announcement today that Ubuntu now supports Netflix streaming, due to new features recently added to the Chrome browser. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/ Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Thanks, DR It should work out-of-the-box in Chrome, but Chromium doesn't come with the PPAPI plugin for EME. I don't know how feasible it is to get that plugin working in Chromium. For the Pepper Flash plugin, it's as simple as dropping the shared object into the directory and adding 2 cli flags. I just updated to the latest google-chrome in the AUR (38.0.2125.101-1) and it just works. Prior version (36 something) did not work. d -- Don Harper, RHCEemail: d...@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal. - Henry Ford
Re: [arch-general] Netflix in Arch?
AFAIU, the news is that the user agent workaround not needed anymore Saludos, Germán Delivering common sense since 1969 Epoch Fail!. The Nature is not amiable; It treats impartially to all the things. The wise person is not amiable; He treats all people impartially. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Andrew M andrewrm...@gmail.com wrote: Starting with Chrome 38, DRM can be managed by HTML5. Firefox and other browsers have not implemented this yet because the code for this is closed source. I believe you still need to use a plugin such as user agent switcher, as Netflix will not play natively on linux machines. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Don Harper d...@duckland.org wrote: On 2014-10-10 11:59 AM, Daniel Micay wrote to To arch-general@archlinux.org: On 10/10/14 11:52 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: I noticed the announcement today that Ubuntu now supports Netflix streaming, due to new features recently added to the Chrome browser. https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/ Does this work on Arch's version of Chrome as well? Are additional package installations required? Thanks, DR It should work out-of-the-box in Chrome, but Chromium doesn't come with the PPAPI plugin for EME. I don't know how feasible it is to get that plugin working in Chromium. For the Pepper Flash plugin, it's as simple as dropping the shared object into the directory and adding 2 cli flags. I just updated to the latest google-chrome in the AUR (38.0.2125.101-1) and it just works. Prior version (36 something) did not work. d -- Don Harper, RHCEemail: d...@duckland.org Just a systems kinda guy... http://www.duckland.org Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goal. - Henry Ford
