Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 20:58 -0400, Kyle wrote:
I don't really have the time to scroll down one line at a time, and
most other people don't really have the time to scroll down 5 lines at
a time wading through tons upon tons of wrotes, original messages,
times and dates, angle brackets and messages we have already read as
many as 10 times or more to get to the likely helpful answer all the
way at the bottom of all that quoting.
Regarding to this topic I guess writing off-list is the better choice,
OTOH the OT in the subject enables to distinguish the original thread
with this OT.
However ...
Subject: [off-list][arch-general] OT: DNS server help
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:45:26 +0200
I don't care that much about top and bottom posting, but most people on
mailing lists for good reasons do.
The style becomes an issue, if some people post on top and others post
at the bottom. We already are using mail clients with different styles
for the quotation and line break.
... is what I've written off-list.
Now to the list, because there are exceptions.
Kyle, when I know that I write to somebody using braille I don't format
my email in a way, that can't be displayed in braille, e.g.
I wrte a text with a typo.
wrote
If I know somebody has an issue with his computer and she/he only can
use her/his wristwatch, I would bear this in mind too, when replying.
IMO you're mistaken. People usually don't post a complete message, most
of the times we [snip] a lot of text, especially signatures and mailing
list legends.
When I write a personal letter I prefer not to quote, but to write in a
way, that quotation isn't needed. For a reply on a mailing list it's
less time consuming to quote by cuttings and reply below it. In forums
this seldom is useful, there people most of the times quote because of
self-importance, to ensure the poster they reply to, doesn't edit the
original post, one of many good reason to prefer mailing lists instead.
I hope those posting discussions will stop one day and we only will
point out to stop it, without discussing it again, if top posting really
becomes annoying.
I like to encourage people not to use their Android, iThingy, MS web
thingy or wristwatch when writing to Linux home computer mailing lists,
as long as those things cause issues and the topic shouldn't be urgent.
If a MUA force you to CC, the way you need to post etc., I wonder why
people use such bad software. Seems to be the first step before the MUAs
include chatbods that force the contend of the emails body.
2 Cents,
Ralf
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I like to encourage people not to use their Android, iThingy, MS web thingy or wristwatch when writing to Linux home computer mailing lists, as long as those things cause issues and the topic shouldn't be urgent. If a MUA force you to CC, the way you need to post etc., I wonder why people use such bad software. Seems to be the first step before the MUAs include chatbods that force the contend of the emails body. 2 Cents, Ralf I use Android and gmail myself, and none of the Android clients 'force' you to post in a particular way. In the stock Gmail client you can edit inline with one button press which is why I've never understood the protestations of those who say they're 'forced' to do something by their provider/software. Unless, of course, being too lazy to delete some lines by holding the backspace key counts as being 'forced'.
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: i didn't understand the PS Irony? Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? -- -- Ralf
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: i didn't understand the PS Irony? Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? -- -- Ralf No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the bottom of the string, not the top. -- David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
i just understood... On Jun 13, 2012 12:38 AM, David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: i didn't understand the PS Irony? Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? -- -- Ralf No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the bottom of the string, not the top. -- David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com understood... i use gmail from desktop and its a problem
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
On Jun 13, 2012 12:46 AM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote: i just understood... On Jun 13, 2012 12:38 AM, David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote: i didn't understand the PS Irony? Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? -- -- Ralf No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the bottom of the string, not the top. -- David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com understood... i use gmail from desktop and its a problem oh god, conversation fucked up... i responded top and then bottom and now i see the quoted text!!! and your signature! FU gmail!
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 13, 2012 12:46 AM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 01tto...@gmail.com wrote:
i just understood...
On Jun 13, 2012 12:38 AM, David J. Haines djhai...@gmx.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:
so you want an email like:
Q
A
??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer...
i can' correct the signature right now...
On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:
i didn't understand the PS
Irony?
Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Answer: Top-posting.
Question: Why is it such a bad thing?
Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read
text.
Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space?
--
--
Ralf
No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the
bottom of the string, not the top.
--
David J. Haines
djhai...@gmx.com
understood...
i use gmail from desktop and its a problem
oh god, conversation fucked up... i responded top and then bottom and now i
see the quoted text!!! and your signature! FU gmail!
It is true gmail is very bad for mailing lists, this is why many use
an email client.
Also gmail is bad if you care about security this is why many use
their own email server.. so again email client. (and this is the point
when you buy a VPS) :P
Gmail doesn't support encrypting your emails (for obvious reasons) so
many use email client.
I just noticed I could have used a variable for the string: 'many use
an email client'
--
Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health.
#include stdio.h
int main(){printf(%s,\x4c\x65\x6f\x6e\x69\x64\x61\x73);}
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
scripting mail client! brilliant idea! i stop quoting from my android... why is mail server better?
Re: [arch-general] OT: DNS server help
Q: What's the most annoying thing in an e-mail? A: On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:27:49 PM, Somebody Nu someb...@somewhere.nu wrote: On Monday, June 11, 2012 at 7:28:46 AM, Yesterdays Child remem...@iwrote.it wrote: - Original Message - From: Remember Me ple...@dontforget.me Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 11:37:15 PM This is the original question I asked on this list. And this is its fourth showing. This is a response I gave, and I really hope it gets a third look. I also responded to the original post, and I bet somebody's even going to leave the signatures and list footers in the message before posting a helpful one-line response all the way down at the bottom. -- here is a really cool signature that I hope everyone reads again and again. Lovely. I gave my signature a second line. Wait, there's a third line with a http://link.to.my.informative.blog.com -- List Footer Mailing List http://www.mailinglists.com/mailman/listinfo/listfooter.html To unsubscribe, go to http://www.mailinglists.com/mailman/listinfo/listfooter-unsubscribe.html or send a blank e-mail to listfooter-requ...@mailinglists.com with unsubscribe in the subject. Now here comes my rather enlightening remark, finaly. Hey, I made you scroll all the way down to the bottom of this one. I hope you are reading this on a mobile phone. Aren't I a good bottom poster? Q: Why is this a bad thing? A: People read e-mail many different ways on many different devices. The mobile phone is one example of a commonly used device for reading e-mail these days. Although people seem to enjoy staring at that little screen all day long for everything in the world, those teeny tiny screens are much harder to read than even the blurry fuzzy green screens from the past. Unfortunately, until I can get my computer working again, I am using my mobile phone exclusively for reading my e-mail, and worse still, my phone uses speech, because I also happen to be visually impaired. I don't really have the time to scroll down one line at a time, and most other people don't really have the time to scroll down 5 lines at a time wading through tons upon tons of wrotes, original messages, times and dates, angle brackets and messages we have already read as many as 10 times or more to get to the likely helpful answer all the way at the bottom of all that quoting. Likewise, all that quoting at the bottom of a helpful response is also rather bad, but it is certainly easier to ignore unless there is a specific reference to a potentially forgotten part of the quoted message. As a general rule, top posting and bottom posting should both be avoided. Whenever I post a response to a message, I *only* quote if I feel that there is something to be gained from reading the exact words of the OP again, usually to answer specific questions in a sort of Q/A format or to respond to specific points in a message one point at a time. Otherwise, I completely turn off quoting and state my response in such a way that no one has to read the original post over again in an attempt to figure out what in the world I'm talking about. This usually saves a lot of people a lot of headaches and a lot of time in the end. The reader will note that aside from the bogus quoting near the top of this message, I have not felt the need to include any real quoting in this message, but most people will certainly be able to deduce the context, even though this message is a response to the whole top vs bottom posting fireworks rather than the original post regarding DNS servers. ~Kyle -- Kyle is a droid. The whole world knows it. This e-mail shows it.
