Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
They are so lame :( Any chances with an IRC channel? On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:09 PM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: >> Thunar doesn't use LC_COLLATE, it has its own sorting algorithms, which >> had some bugs with Latin characters in the past. So this is an upstream >> issue which should be reported to the Thunar devs. > > I wrote about it in thunar mailing list. Nobody replied. > > >
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
> Thunar doesn't use LC_COLLATE, it has its own sorting algorithms, which > had some bugs with Latin characters in the past. So this is an upstream > issue which should be reported to the Thunar devs. I wrote about it in thunar mailing list. Nobody replied.
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
> @Ray, he said it used to work before upgrading thunar, so I suspect it's > not a problem with his locale config. That's right. In another message I already said that. Everything was OK, until "update" came from repo.
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
> You may have more chance directly looking with the thunar-dev application > mailing list instead of Archlinux, which is an operating system. I wrote there already long time ago. No reply. Ignoring... By the way,.. I saw that people here discuss not only OS, but their problems with other applications as well. Is that not right?
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
> You might check if "ls" sorts in this same odd fashion. It might be a > locale setting - if LC_COLLATE is set to your actual locale, it text > will be sorted as if were natural language (i.e., prose), rather than > sorting in the usual "technical" manner. This means that some kinds of > characters (number, punctuation, maybe other things?) will just be > ignored when sorting, which makes the order look like nonsense. "ls" sorts right, like it should. > The usual means to handle this is to set LC_COLLATE=C in > /etc/locale.conf and make sure nothing in your environment (.bashrc, > Thunar config) overrides it. Check your environment variables (in a > terminal) and look at the output of "locale". This is not because of locale. I typed LC_COLLATE=C in /etc/locale.conf and nothing changed. Thunar ignores LC_COLLATE.
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
Am Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:13:24 -0400 schrieb Ray Kohler : > You might check if "ls" sorts in this same odd fashion. It might be a > locale setting - if LC_COLLATE is set to your actual locale, it text > will be sorted as if were natural language (i.e., prose), rather than > sorting in the usual "technical" manner. Thunar doesn't use LC_COLLATE, it has its own sorting algorithms, which had some bugs with Latin characters in the past. So this is an upstream issue which should be reported to the Thunar devs. Heiko
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
@Ray, he said it used to work before upgrading thunar, so I suspect it's not a problem with his locale config. On Jul 31, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Ray Kohler wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:18 PM, wrote: >> Hello, folks, once again. >> >> Maybe somebody of you encountered with that problem in thunar. >> ...especially if you use cyrillic letters in file and directory names. >> >> So, I have installed the latest version of thunar (1.4.0), and it >> incorrectly sorts contents of my folders. I can not even understand the >> way thunar sorts content of any folder. >> >> The "sort order" by name in one directory is following (ascending) (from >> top to bottom): >> >> * cyrillic upper letters, >> * hidden (dot) files, >> * digits, >> * lower cyrillic letters, >> * english lower letters, >> * again cyrillic lower letters, >> * english lower and upper letters (together) insensetive to case. >> >> The "sort order" by name in another directory is following (ascending) >> (from top to bottom): >> >> * cyrillic upper letters, >> * digits, >> * cyrillic lower letters, >> * again digits, >> * again cyrillic lower letters, >> * english lower letters, >> * and again cyrillic lower letters. >> >> Before version 1.4.0, everything was OK. >> So what happened to thunar? Why such an "improvement"? > > You might check if "ls" sorts in this same odd fashion. It might be a > locale setting - if LC_COLLATE is set to your actual locale, it text > will be sorted as if were natural language (i.e., prose), rather than > sorting in the usual "technical" manner. This means that some kinds of > characters (number, punctuation, maybe other things?) will just be > ignored when sorting, which makes the order look like nonsense. > > The usual means to handle this is to set LC_COLLATE=C in > /etc/locale.conf and make sure nothing in your environment (.bashrc, > Thunar config) overrides it. Check your environment variables (in a > terminal) and look at the output of "locale".
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
You may have more chance directly looking with the thunar-dev application mailing list instead of Archlinux, which is an operating system. On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:18 PM, brainwor...@lavabit.com wrote: > Hello, folks, once again. > > Maybe somebody of you encountered with that problem in thunar. > ...especially if you use cyrillic letters in file and directory names. > > So, I have installed the latest version of thunar (1.4.0), and it > incorrectly sorts contents of my folders. I can not even understand the > way thunar sorts content of any folder. > > The "sort order" by name in one directory is following (ascending) (from > top to bottom): > > * cyrillic upper letters, > * hidden (dot) files, > * digits, > * lower cyrillic letters, > * english lower letters, > * again cyrillic lower letters, > * english lower and upper letters (together) insensetive to case. > > The "sort order" by name in another directory is following (ascending) > (from top to bottom): > > * cyrillic upper letters, > * digits, > * cyrillic lower letters, > * again digits, > * again cyrillic lower letters, > * english lower letters, > * and again cyrillic lower letters. > > Before version 1.4.0, everything was OK. > So what happened to thunar? Why such an "improvement"? > > >
Re: [arch-general] incorrect sort order in thunar
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:18 PM, wrote: > Hello, folks, once again. > > Maybe somebody of you encountered with that problem in thunar. > ...especially if you use cyrillic letters in file and directory names. > > So, I have installed the latest version of thunar (1.4.0), and it > incorrectly sorts contents of my folders. I can not even understand the > way thunar sorts content of any folder. > > The "sort order" by name in one directory is following (ascending) (from > top to bottom): > > * cyrillic upper letters, > * hidden (dot) files, > * digits, > * lower cyrillic letters, > * english lower letters, > * again cyrillic lower letters, > * english lower and upper letters (together) insensetive to case. > > The "sort order" by name in another directory is following (ascending) > (from top to bottom): > > * cyrillic upper letters, > * digits, > * cyrillic lower letters, > * again digits, > * again cyrillic lower letters, > * english lower letters, > * and again cyrillic lower letters. > > Before version 1.4.0, everything was OK. > So what happened to thunar? Why such an "improvement"? You might check if "ls" sorts in this same odd fashion. It might be a locale setting - if LC_COLLATE is set to your actual locale, it text will be sorted as if were natural language (i.e., prose), rather than sorting in the usual "technical" manner. This means that some kinds of characters (number, punctuation, maybe other things?) will just be ignored when sorting, which makes the order look like nonsense. The usual means to handle this is to set LC_COLLATE=C in /etc/locale.conf and make sure nothing in your environment (.bashrc, Thunar config) overrides it. Check your environment variables (in a terminal) and look at the output of "locale".
