Re: What laptop's do you guys like?
I am also pretty happy with my Frameworks (Gen11, Gen12). What is really disappointing to me is the BIOS Update support. For Gen12 they only released one Beta BIOS, which closes some CVEs, but introduced a few new issues. Some users were told to update to fix some issues, but now they can't downgrade and are left with some new issues, which were not addressed in over 9 months. As a prior thinkpad user, I am used to updates every 2-3 months which fix CVEs. At the moment I consider the support for Gen12 as discontinued. It is the short-lived laptop I ever owned. There is a very long thread with complaints. [0] Another smaller issue is, that Chassis Intrusion Detection does not work reliable, since its state will reset when the battery is removed. [0] https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06-beta/25726/292
Re: What laptop's do you guys like?
I prefer a framework laptop. Honestly it's one of the best laptops I've ever owned -- it's super light, got excellent battery life, the power management is actually pretty good, all the firmware for it is totally open-source, and it's built from the ground up to be repairable. Over the years I've had a lot of laptops that were missing one port I really would have liked, and with a framework I can make sure that those ports are on it (the ports on it are modular, so you can replace and swap them out as needed). Performance-wise it's quite an excellent machine. The 12th Gen Intel i5-1240P mine shipped with has 4 performance cores, with 4 threads each for a total of 16 hyper-threads. This vastly accelerates my build times by allowing me to run them with 16 parallel jobs. It can reduce a C++ project's 20-minute build time on a single thread to just 1 or 2 minutes. Outside of programming the main-board does not have any dedicated GPU. If you wish to game on a framework Intel's integrated graphics will have to suffice. Generally this is enough for light gaming. I am able to play Stellaris without any issue whatsoever, but it does put a substantial load on the processor. Anything other than light gaming may not be possible until Framework puts out their 16" model (which is expected to have a dedicated graphics card). On 7/22/23 6:10 PM, Polarian wrote: Hello, Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use. ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux. So I have a few questions: - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy? I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops. One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P If you respond, thank you for your time :) Have a good night, -- Jonathan Whitlock
Re: What laptop's do you guys like?
On 7/23/23 23:23, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2023-07-23 at 19:01 +0200, Zerro wrote: It cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. Hi, if it runs Windows 10, it likely can run Windows 11 too, by installing it with the "BypassTPMCheck" and maybe the "BypassSecureBootCheck". I installed Windows 11 as a Virtualbox guest using this guide: https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/post/install-microsoft-windows-11-on-virtualbox Regards, Ralf Hi Ralf, I tried to use the BypassTPMCheck in LabConfig trick to update to Windows 11. But the PC Health Check app says that the processor in not supported (i7-7500U). I suppose I need to stick with windows 10. Well I only need Windows for MS Teams and Zoom. Zoom I can also run from the browser. For MS Teams I prefer to use Edge. For all other things I use Arch ! Thank you for your suggestion. Regards, ~Z
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Hi, I use a Tuxedo Computers 'InfinityBook Pro Gen7 (Mk1), according to the sticker. The name is silly, but I use it for work with arch Linux exclusively and like it a lot. The screen is delightful. As the name suggests, the company deals in Linux computers and were nice to interact with. Max
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Hello, I use a Lenovo Ideapad S145 notebook, Intel Core i7-8565U, 20GB of RAM, with a 240GB SSD, another 512GB M.2 NVMe SSD, Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200, NVIDIA GeForce MX110. The notebook is used for my work and for my leisure (playing some games). I would like to have a notebook from System76 or another newer model from Lenovo. So far I have nothing to complain about my Lenovo notebook. Everything works fine. Despite not being a high-performance model, everything works as expected. Em 22/07/2023 19:10, Polarian escreveu: Hello, Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use. ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux. So I have a few questions: - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy? I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops. One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P If you respond, thank you for your time :) Have a good night, -- Abraço, Henrique Custódio
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Maybe also take a look at framework, a manufacturer of modular laptops: https://frame.work/ You can choose which ports / features you want to have by picking different modules for your model, and you can always swap them out for different ones. In the 16" model, you can even swap and upgrade a dedicated GPU, as well as different keyboard and numpad with standard QMK firmware. Mainboards are also swappable, making this thing a very reparaible and sustainable device. The laptop firmware is open source, and Linux support is advertised and tested, our wiki also reports good compatibility: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Framework_Laptop_13 I like that thing a lot!
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Nathan, > I've been thinking about getting a Sysyem76 laptop. What don't you like > about them or this specific model? i have to think hard about what i don't like. in general, i have a very favorable opinion of it. and, i'm not a very sophisticated user (i.e., i don't use bluetooth, very little audio, etc.). let's see -- here are minor nits: - only one USB-C port - no ethernet port - a micro-SD port, but no full SD port the last is clearly the right direction, just doesn't align with the camera i use (or, the cards i have/buy). the first is presumably because "we" are in transition to USB-C. as to the lack of an ethernet port, the Entroware Apollo had it, and it was handy to have when first installing a system. but, i guess a USB ethernet dongle would (did?) work just as well. hth. cheers, Greg
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Greg, I've been thinking about getting a Sysyem76 laptop. What don't you like about them or this specific model? On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 10:45 Greg Minshall wrote: > > Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating > > to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what > > others use. > > hi. i use the System76 Lemur Pro. i only run Arch on it. probably i > would buy it again. > > https://system76.com/laptops/lemur > > (in the past i used an Entroware Apollo and i liked it a lot, but > switched as they couldn't [then?] ship to the USA.) > > cheers, Greg >
Re: What laptop's do you guys like?
On Sun, 2023-07-23 at 19:01 +0200, Zerro wrote: > It cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. Hi, if it runs Windows 10, it likely can run Windows 11 too, by installing it with the "BypassTPMCheck" and maybe the "BypassSecureBootCheck". I installed Windows 11 as a Virtualbox guest using this guide: https://blogs.oracle.com/virtualization/post/install-microsoft-windows-11-on-virtualbox Regards, Ralf
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On 7/23/23 00:10, Polarian wrote: Hello, Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use. ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux. So I have a few questions: - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy? I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops. One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P If you respond, thank you for your time :) Have a good night, I am using a Dell Inspiron 17 5000 for general usage, several years old. It has a i7 processor, 8GB ram, Intel Graphics and AMDGPU Topaz Graphical cards and off course WiFi, Bluetooth, normal hard disk, intel audio. The battery doesn't function anymore. The laptop is dual boot Windows 10 or Arch Linux. It cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. When starting it with Windows 10 it takes quite some time before you can well use it. Initially everything is rather slow. When starting it with Arch Linux you can use it well immediately. Therefore I prefer using it with Arch Linux. From what I read on this list I have the impression it's better to stay away from computers with NVidia Graphical cards. Regards, ~Z
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> Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating > to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what > others use. hi. i use the System76 Lemur Pro. i only run Arch on it. probably i would buy it again. https://system76.com/laptops/lemur (in the past i used an Entroware Apollo and i liked it a lot, but switched as they couldn't [then?] ship to the USA.) cheers, Greg
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Lenovo T480 is great. You need to watch out for USB-C bug on some models On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:47 PM İsmail Arılık wrote: > I am using Lenovo Thinkpad L15 with AMD Ryzen 7 Pro. It is fast and is > almost never getting hot. I never heard of any aloud fan sound from it. > Installation of Arch Linux had no problem. But I am getting two errors: An > error about "SECURE_DISPLAY" and another one about Bluetooth. Former one > causes no problem as I see but you might have Bluetooth devices > disconnected needlessly time to time. Other than that, I am very happy with > this laptop. Battery life is also very good. Under normal load, it would go > 6-8 hours. Under heavy load, it would probably be 4-6 hours. I am also very > fan of Trackpad. I am using Sway and not a GUI app other than Firefox so I > am trying to use keyboard everytime but when I needed a touch pad, it is > there and very ergonomic. > > > > https://ismailarilik.com > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 04:58 Mark Stenglein > wrote: > >> > - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? >> >> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9310) >> >> Dell XPS 9310 Developer Edition (i7 model). It's the non-touch HD screen >> to avoid the shiny glare and increased power usage with the 4k/OLED options. >> >> When I bought it the wireless card drivers weren't in the Kernel yet but >> these days I don't have any issues with it. >> >> > - What do you use the Laptop for? >> >> General use computer when I'm away from my desktop. >> >> > - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you >> buy? >> >> Probably the latest Dell XPS Developer edition assuming it doesn't have >> any major issues. >> >> -- >> Mark Stenglein >> >
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I am using Lenovo Thinkpad L15 with AMD Ryzen 7 Pro. It is fast and is almost never getting hot. I never heard of any aloud fan sound from it. Installation of Arch Linux had no problem. But I am getting two errors: An error about "SECURE_DISPLAY" and another one about Bluetooth. Former one causes no problem as I see but you might have Bluetooth devices disconnected needlessly time to time. Other than that, I am very happy with this laptop. Battery life is also very good. Under normal load, it would go 6-8 hours. Under heavy load, it would probably be 4-6 hours. I am also very fan of Trackpad. I am using Sway and not a GUI app other than Firefox so I am trying to use keyboard everytime but when I needed a touch pad, it is there and very ergonomic. https://ismailarilik.com On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 04:58 Mark Stenglein wrote: > > - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9310) > > Dell XPS 9310 Developer Edition (i7 model). It's the non-touch HD screen > to avoid the shiny glare and increased power usage with the 4k/OLED options. > > When I bought it the wireless card drivers weren't in the Kernel yet but > these days I don't have any issues with it. > > > - What do you use the Laptop for? > > General use computer when I'm away from my desktop. > > > - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you > buy? > > Probably the latest Dell XPS Developer edition assuming it doesn't have > any major issues. > > -- > Mark Stenglein >
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> - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Dell_XPS_13_(9310) Dell XPS 9310 Developer Edition (i7 model). It's the non-touch HD screen to avoid the shiny glare and increased power usage with the 4k/OLED options. When I bought it the wireless card drivers weren't in the Kernel yet but these days I don't have any issues with it. > - What do you use the Laptop for? General use computer when I'm away from my desktop. > - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy? Probably the latest Dell XPS Developer edition assuming it doesn't have any major issues. -- Mark Stenglein
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I got an ASUS Nitro 5 when the screen on my Lenovo i3 kept cutting out and voided the warranty before I got it home by installing a 1 TB SSD with Arch instaaled. To boot Arch I have to hold the F12 key down while it powers up or it boots windows 10. Wouldn't buy another ASUS mick down under On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 10:00, Nic Strike wrote: > > Personally, I'm currently using a Razer Blade 15 that I'll be replacing soon > with the Framework 16. If the Framework wasn't coming out, I'd likely be > buying a thinkpad. > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 6:18 PM Eric Waller wrote: >> >> >> >> > However I have heard it is a pain in the ass to repair, and replacement >> > parts are scarce. >> >> Have not had the need to repair, but I was astonished it shipped with >> brackets and FPC cables for the second drive. >> >> Here is a link to the service manual >> >> https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/Customer_self_repair_guide/X712EA_Customer_Self_Repair_Guide_20210701.pdf?model=k712ea >> >> > How long is the battery life (typically with normal load)? >> >> When I am on batteries, I am using the system to diagnose embedded >> systems. This includes the use of USB to serial converters and serial >> terminal emulators. I do embedded systems development with jtag >> programming tools for uploading code to microcontrollers. I also use >> network tools such as wireshark. This includes the continuous use of >> WiFi, and the display of multiple video streams generated by our >> systems. In this sort of operation, I get about six hours if I start >> at 100% and take the batteries all the way down. I try not to do that. >> I prefer to set charge limits to 80% and cycle to not deeper than 20%. >> >> Eric > > > > -- > > Nicolas Strike
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Personally, I'm currently using a Razer Blade 15 that I'll be replacing soon with the Framework 16. If the Framework wasn't coming out, I'd likely be buying a thinkpad. On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 6:18 PM Eric Waller wrote: > > > > However I have heard it is a pain in the ass to repair, and replacement > > parts are scarce. > > Have not had the need to repair, but I was astonished it shipped with > brackets and FPC cables for the second drive. > > Here is a link to the service manual > > > https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/Customer_self_repair_guide/X712EA_Customer_Self_Repair_Guide_20210701.pdf?model=k712ea > > > How long is the battery life (typically with normal load)? > > When I am on batteries, I am using the system to diagnose embedded > systems. This includes the use of USB to serial converters and serial > terminal emulators. I do embedded systems development with jtag > programming tools for uploading code to microcontrollers. I also use > network tools such as wireshark. This includes the continuous use of > WiFi, and the display of multiple video streams generated by our > systems. In this sort of operation, I get about six hours if I start > at 100% and take the batteries all the way down. I try not to do that. > I prefer to set charge limits to 80% and cycle to not deeper than 20%. > > Eric > -- Nicolas Strike
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However I have heard it is a pain in the ass to repair, and replacement parts are scarce. Have not had the need to repair, but I was astonished it shipped with brackets and FPC cables for the second drive. Here is a link to the service manual https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/Customer_self_repair_guide/X712EA_Customer_Self_Repair_Guide_20210701.pdf?model=k712ea How long is the battery life (typically with normal load)? When I am on batteries, I am using the system to diagnose embedded systems. This includes the use of USB to serial converters and serial terminal emulators. I do embedded systems development with jtag programming tools for uploading code to microcontrollers. I also use network tools such as wireshark. This includes the continuous use of WiFi, and the display of multiple video streams generated by our systems. In this sort of operation, I get about six hours if I start at 100% and take the batteries all the way down. I try not to do that. I prefer to set charge limits to 80% and cycle to not deeper than 20%. Eric OpenPGP_0xF178C59914DC935E.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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I am very fond of my Asus VivoBook_K712EA The uEFI implementation is solid. The BIOS can be updated directly from the firmware setup menu without need for a specific OS It uses Intel Isis graphics and Intel WiFi and Intel HD Audio. Bluetooth, WiFi and Audio are flawless. Battery life is excellent. If I were forced to find anything negative, it would be the contrast on the keyboard legends. One of my many shortcomings in this life is that I never learned to touch type. Eric Waller On 7/22/23 15:10, Polarian wrote: Hello, Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use. ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux. So I have a few questions: - What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy? I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops. One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P If you respond, thank you for your time :) Have a good night, OpenPGP_0xF178C59914DC935E.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
