[Arches] Re: Installation Documents Udated
Hiii, In installation Arches using a Vagrant Development machine , ubuntu 12.04 is taking a long long time to clone. hg clone https://bitbucket.org/arches/arches ~/projects/arches Is this expected? Thanks :) Utsav -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[Arches] Re: Installation Documents Udated
Hiii, In installation Arches using a Vagrant Development machine , ubuntu 12.04 is taking a long long time to clone. hg clone https://bitbucket.org/arches/arches ~/projects/arches Is this expected? Also i only have 4 GB of RAM as of now ... is it alright? Thanks :) Utsav -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches
Hi Phil, thanks for the feedback! We totally agree that it doesn't make sense to model whether a site has finds or not. Our situation is a little different though, which I didn't express very clearly. In our case we are often rather unsure if a find or feature belongs to the phase that the site has been dated to, based on other finds/features. Two hypothetical examples: - Let's say we are sure that the ceramics found at site A belong to our interpretation of the site, but we are unsure if the burials that were found at the site do, as well. - Or we might be sure that one feature of the site is a post hole, but we are not sure that the other feature can be interpreted as a ditch or as a pit. Then we might try to model our uncertainty using the P3 (has note) - E62 (String) route or the P2 (has type) - E55 (Type) route as proposed by Geoff Carver in the Antiquist list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/antiquist/w0R9VXDk5U4 Thanks again for any further thoughts! Best, Tobias On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:26:11 PM UTC+2, Phil Carlisle wrote: Hi Tobias, Thomas et al, It is perfectly valid to assign a level of certainty to an interpretation of a site/find. Thus a type assignment of PIT with a note of 'Uncertain' or a phase type assignment of 'Medieval' with a '?' is fine and indeed we (English Heritage) use something similar. However I noticed on the Antiquist list that Tobias has used the example of wanting to model the uncertainty of whether a site may have finds or not. Is that right or have I misunderstood? As far as I'm aware the CRM cannot model this situation and in fact would argue against modelling it at all. If you are certain that a site is an ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE you can record it as such but if it is unexcavated and you are just conjecturing what it may contain then that should just be a note in the description. So I think that if you are modelling the uncertainty of an interpretation then you can use the P3-E62 route but you can't really model the uncertainty of the existence of a thing using the CRM. I hope this helps, and others may have different opinions! Phil *Phil Carlisle* Data Standards Supervisor Data Standards Unit, Designations Department English Heritage The Engine House Fire Fly Avenue Swindon SN2 2EH Tel: +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ http://www.heritagedata.org/blog/ -- *From:* arches...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: arches...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Tobias Kohr *Sent:* 28 March 2014 14:33 *To:* arches...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Cc:* thomas@gmail.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches Hi Dennis, thanks for your quick response! Working together with Thomas, in fact one option that came to our mind was to attach certainty nodes to the entities where we need them (Component.E18 and Phase Type Assignment.E17 in our case) to technically implement uncertainty in Arches. We are struggling, however, to find an entity type in CIDOC CRM that seems adequate for modelling certainties. The only type that seems a possibility to us here is E59 Primitive Value / E62 String. So, conceptually we ask ourselves if there is a more adequate CIDOC type (which is designed for modelling certainties). And philosophically we are not sure if it doesn't contradict the idea of a E18 Physical Thing (Component.E18) to possess an attribute that expresses (un-)certainty of existence. We appreciate any comments or hints on these thoughts! Best, Tobias On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:36:05 PM UTC+1, Dennis Wuthrich wrote: Thomas, Good question! You are quite correct that we haven’t tried to include uncertainty in Arches. One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective from person to person. For example: most people agree that the earth is spherical. But a “flat-earther” may be very certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is instead a plane. His certainty does not make him correct, it merely states the degree to which he believes in his interpretation. Clearly, you can be very certain and very wrong at the same time. I guess my point is that in many cases “certainty” says more about the person making the assertion than it does about the thing being described. OK, all philosophy aside, one could easily extend any Arches graph to include a “certainty node”. Such a node could point to a thesaurus (as many of the nodes in Arches already do), allowing a user to select from a list of “uncertainty levels”. Really, any Arches graph could include a “certainty node” under any entity that you might want to qualify (for example, one certainty node for period and another certainty node for heritage type). Really, the hard part is not in getting Arches to allow you to
RE: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches
Hi Tobias, Yes, Geoff's option is equally valid to the P3.E62 and obviously allows you to type the uncertainty. As I think Dennis mentioned the addition of certainty types to any of the nodes (following the P2.E55 route) is perfectly valid (with the addition of a -P71 lists (is listed in) E32.Uncertainty Authority Document). Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor Data Standards Unit, Designations Department English Heritage The Engine House Fire Fly Avenue Swindon SN2 2EH Tel: +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ http://www.heritagedata.org/blog/ From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias Kohr Sent: 31 March 2014 14:52 To: archesproject@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Tobias Kohr'; thomas.enge...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches Hi Phil, thanks for the feedback! We totally agree that it doesn't make sense to model whether a site has finds or not. Our situation is a little different though, which I didn't express very clearly. In our case we are often rather unsure if a find or feature belongs to the phase that the site has been dated to, based on other finds/features. Two hypothetical examples: - Let's say we are sure that the ceramics found at site A belong to our interpretation of the site, but we are unsure if the burials that were found at the site do, as well. - Or we might be sure that one feature of the site is a post hole, but we are not sure that the other feature can be interpreted as a ditch or as a pit. Then we might try to model our uncertainty using the P3 (has note) - E62 (String) route or the P2 (has type) - E55 (Type) route as proposed by Geoff Carver in the Antiquist list: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/antiquist/w0R9VXDk5U4 Thanks again for any further thoughts! Best, Tobias On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:26:11 PM UTC+2, Phil Carlisle wrote: Hi Tobias, Thomas et al, It is perfectly valid to assign a level of certainty to an interpretation of a site/find. Thus a type assignment of PIT with a note of 'Uncertain' or a phase type assignment of 'Medieval' with a '?' is fine and indeed we (English Heritage) use something similar. However I noticed on the Antiquist list that Tobias has used the example of wanting to model the uncertainty of whether a site may have finds or not. Is that right or have I misunderstood? As far as I'm aware the CRM cannot model this situation and in fact would argue against modelling it at all. If you are certain that a site is an ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE you can record it as such but if it is unexcavated and you are just conjecturing what it may contain then that should just be a note in the description. So I think that if you are modelling the uncertainty of an interpretation then you can use the P3-E62 route but you can't really model the uncertainty of the existence of a thing using the CRM. I hope this helps, and others may have different opinions! Phil Phil Carlisle Data Standards Supervisor Data Standards Unit, Designations Department English Heritage The Engine House Fire Fly Avenue Swindon SN2 2EH Tel: +44 (0)1793 414824 http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/ http://www.heritagedata.org/blog/ From: arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript: [mailto:arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of Tobias Kohr Sent: 28 March 2014 14:33 To: arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript: Cc: thomas@gmail.comjavascript: Subject: Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches Hi Dennis, thanks for your quick response! Working together with Thomas, in fact one option that came to our mind was to attach certainty nodes to the entities where we need them (Component.E18 and Phase Type Assignment.E17 in our case) to technically implement uncertainty in Arches. We are struggling, however, to find an entity type in CIDOC CRM that seems adequate for modelling certainties. The only type that seems a possibility to us here is E59 Primitive Value / E62 String. So, conceptually we ask ourselves if there is a more adequate CIDOC type (which is designed for modelling certainties). And philosophically we are not sure if it doesn't contradict the idea of a E18 Physical Thing (Component.E18) to possess an attribute that expresses (un-)certainty of existence. We appreciate any comments or hints on these thoughts! Best, Tobias On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:36:05 PM UTC+1, Dennis Wuthrich wrote: Thomas, Good question! You are quite correct that we haven't tried to include uncertainty in Arches. One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective from person to person. For example: most people agree that the earth is spherical. But a flat-earther may be very certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is instead a plane. His certainty does not make him correct, it merely states the degree to which he believes in his
Re: [Arches] Resource graph conversion in Arches
Hi Tharindu, Currently there is no way to convert a resource from one type to another. Once a resource is created of a certain type, it's type cannot be changed. Cheers, Alexei Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 971.227.3173 On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Tharindu Rusira tharindurus...@gmail.comwrote: Hi everyone, What is the mechanism used in Arches to convert a resource stored in one resource graph type to another? (Modify a record graph type) Eg. from a Person record to an Organization record/ from a site to element or vice versa. As a part of my GSoC proposal, I will need to address this type conversion feature so I would like to understand how Arches currently manages this. Thanks, -- M.P. Tharindu Rusira Kumara Department of Computer Science and Engineering, University of Moratuwa, Sri Lanka. +94757033733 www.tharindu-rusira.blogspot.com -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches
Hi all, I just wanted to get back at what Dennis said at the beginning of this thread. Im quite curious how you will get people to agree on (un)certainty. If feels like a very natural idea to talk and think about, but I haven't really seen it function properly in practice. We once did an experiment where we had 10 people who were used to entering data in our archaeological inventory system enter the same site. We paired the archaeologists: one more more experienced data entry person (a few years experience) and one newbie (a few months), so they would be forced to really think things through and discuss. In our database we have a field for certain the data entry person is about the location of the site, ie. about the polygon they might have drawn on a map. This field only allowed 5 choices, ranging from 1 (I'm sure it's exactly where it needs to be) to 5 (I have no idea whatsoever where the site is). We had a very detailed manual with examples of all these cases, what to use when, ... Final result of our experiment: every group had entered the location with a different level of certainty. So, based on the exact same information they had all drawn totally different conclusions. And this was about something as simple as the location of the site. So, I'm very curious about how you manage to prevent stuff like this from happening. The other thing I wonder about: how does certainty affect searching? Should a search for 'churches' only return sites that have a certain certainty attached to the interpretation? Are you working with sliding scale of certainty (ie. we are 75% percent certain about this statement) or a binary one (we're certain or uncertain)? Cheers, Koen Van: archesproject@googlegroups.com [archesproject@googlegroups.com] namens dwuthr...@fargeo.com [dwuthr...@fargeo.com] Verzonden: donderdag 27 maart 2014 22:36 Aan: thomas.enge...@gmail.com CC: archesproject@googlegroups.com Onderwerp: Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches Thomas, Good question! You are quite correct that we haven't tried to include uncertainty in Arches. One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective from person to person. For example: most people agree that the earth is spherical. But a flat-earther may be very certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is instead a plane. His certainty does not make him correct, it merely states the degree to which he believes in his interpretation. Clearly, you can be very certain and very wrong at the same time. I guess my point is that in many cases certainty says more about the person making the assertion than it does about the thing being described. OK, all philosophy aside, one could easily extend any Arches graph to include a certainty node. Such a node could point to a thesaurus (as many of the nodes in Arches already do), allowing a user to select from a list of uncertainty levels. Really, any Arches graph could include a certainty node under any entity that you might want to qualify (for example, one certainty node for period and another certainty node for heritage type). Really, the hard part is not in getting Arches to allow you to add an uncertainty level to your cultural heritage data. Rather, the difficult thing is to decide how you'll get different people to agree on what constitutes certain vs. uncertain interpretations of heritage. Sorry that I can't be any more helpful... However, I'm very interested to hear how you will model uncertainty and how you will get people to implement it consistently. Please keep me posted! Cheers, Dennis On Mar 27, 2014, at 2:41, thomas.enge...@gmail.commailto:thomas.enge...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question about conceptual modeling in CIDOC CRM, maybe there is someone one the list who is able to provide some guidance. As posted before, we are trying to integrate research data of neolithic sites into Arches. Now, naturally a significant part of this data has a level of certainty to which the information is correct. e.g. a site can consist of some features for certain (in this case modeled in the Archaeological Heritage (Site).E27 - Component.E18 relationship) but if others exist is uncertain. We believe this valuable information should not get lost (quite often theory construction is based on such information). For example it could be uncertain if an archaeological feature is to be named pit or ditch - or if it exists at all. Another example could be the questionable relationship of a findspot to a certain archaeological period. To make it even more difficult, different authors could have different thoughts on that. As far as we can see, the expression of such uncertainty is not covered by Arches yet. Is there a concept for the integration of such data in the future? We are currently thinking into potential solutions but are struggeling to find adequate expressions for uncertain information in CIDOC.
Re: [Arches] Re: Installation Documents Udated
Still not working :( What i hadn't done before --- Made a hgrc file But after making one ,it made a good amount of progress but it's still stuck!! And i think i have a stable 60 kbps internet pack ... so why should that create a problem? Hoping for some help here :) Thanks :) -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Arches] Re: Installation Documents Udated
Still not working :( What i hadn't done before --- Made a hgrc file But after making one ,it made a good amount of progress but it's still stuck!! And i think i have a stable 60 kbps internet pack ... that shouldn't create a problem right? Hoping for some help here :) Thanks :) -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Arches] Re: Installation Documents Udated
Hi Utsav, I assume that you ran this command to clone the repo: hg clone https://bitbucket.org/arches/arches Cheers, Alexei Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 971.227.3173 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Utsav returnofdj...@gmail.com wrote: Still not working :( What i hadn't done before --- Made a hgrc file But after making one ,it made a good amount of progress but it's still stuck!! And i think i have a stable 60 kbps internet pack ... that shouldn't create a problem right? Hoping for some help here :) Thanks :) -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Arches] Installation: activate_this.py No such file
Hi Peter, Fyi, when responding to emails use reply all as we want the community to be able to benefit from anything learned in these email threads. So, there isn't any more output then you've see already. The ENV folder is indeed created dynamically. Have you tried just double-clicking on the .bat file to run it? Also, when you ran it from the command line, did you cd into the install folder? I've actually never seen this issue before. Could it be permissions? Obviously the system will need to be able to create directories and run/execute scripts. Let me know if I can help more. Cheers, Alexei Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 971.227.3173 On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Peter STOTT ph.st...@gmail.com wrote: Alexi -- As far as I know, that was all there was to the error message. I tried running the install.py by itself, and got the same message. I ran the bat and py files from the command prompt, and the error message arrived on the same screen. Is there a log file somewhere that would have a more extended output? Peter On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Alexei Peters apet...@fargeo.com wrote: Hi Peter, Welcome to the Arches project. The ENV directory should be created as part of running install_dependencies.bat Are you sure there were no other errors when running that file? Can you send an output of running that script? Cheers, Alexei Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 971.227.3173 On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Peter STOTT ph.st...@gmail.com wrote: Friends -- As a novice, I was pleased that I have been able to get as far as I have, through installing PostgreSQL, GEOS, Python and the JDK. But I am now stumped by an error message running the bat file in archesproject/install, install_dependencies.bat (as well as install.py). Below is the error message. The directory virtualenv does not have a subdirectory ENV so I assume the directory and scripts are created on the fly? This seems to be a command in the file virtualenv.py, but I am a little lost on how to troubleshoot this.. python: can't open file 'C:\Program': [Errno 2] No such file or directory Traceback (most recent call last): File C:\Program Files\arches-web\archesproject\install\install.py, line 48, in module execfile(activate_this, dict(__file__=activate_this)) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'C:\\Program Files\\arches-web\\archesproject\\virtualenv\\ENV\\Scripts\\activate_this.py' Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Peter Stott -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Peter H. Stott 7 Ocean View Drive, #108 Dorchester, MA 02125-3565 Tel: +1 (617) 877-4721 (cell/mob) Tel: +1 (617) 297-2395 (Skype incoming) Fax: +1 (617) 507-6450 Skype: phstott E-mail: ph.st...@gmail.com -- -- To post, send email to archesproject@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe, send email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more information, visit https://groups.google.com/d/forum/archesproject?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Arches Project group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to archesproject+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
