Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >It's actually full of misinformation. > >It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM. > >It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and >Nominating Committee to railroad the election. > >The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order So, just to be clear about this Owen, are you asserting that, contrary to the first-person testimony contained in the video, there are not now, and there have not been, within, say, the preceeding calendar year, back from today, any attempts to purchase "voting rights" from any member organization of AFRINIC, and that no member of AFRINIC has been either offered or given any kind of compensation, renumeration, inducement, or "investment" of any kind which has been conditioned upon the receiving member either changing its official vote(s) or giving over control of said vote(s) to any other party or parties? Owen, I know that, much like myself, you are enamored of extensive elaboration, but in this instance I do believe that a simple yes or no will do. Regards, rfg ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
And its important for the ARIN community to not be misled by one sided subjective views from Owen. Time will tell and the Afrinic community representatives shall present their side of the story and what has been happening then you as a numbers community can make your own judgement. The message in that video is not misinformation as we have other members who have collaborated openly what is being stated in the video. Noah On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, 01:07 Daniel Schroder, wrote: > > I second this as well, Owens presenting arguments with what seems like > good logic with short term gains, is long term loss to the parties who > should be on watch and then do not do so, and now we have to watch said > parties edge in board votes to the bodies who's responsibility is to stop > exactly this, by parties who want more freedom with moving IPv4 space > offshore. > No. > > > On Wed, 01 Jun 2022, 21:43 Noah, wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:02 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, >> wrote: >> >>> It’s actually full of misinformation. >>> >>> It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM. >>> >>> It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and >>> Nominating Committee to railroad the election. >>> >>> The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order >>> because of the improper acts of the board in conducting it. >>> >>> This is a much bigger mess than folks here are likely to be aware of and >>> the AFRINIC board is rather thoroughly off the rails at this point. >>> >>> Owen >>> >> >> Owen >> >> Please be honest and dont mislead the Arin community. >> >> There is a second side to each story. Time will tell. >> >> Noah >> >>> >>> >>> > On May 31, 2022, at 23:05 , Steve Spence >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Steve Spence >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ronald F. >>> Guilmette >>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:03 AM >>> > To: arin-ppml@arin.net >>> > Subject: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying >>> > >>> > >>> > Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet >>> Registry, I think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this >>> video and to learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region. >>> > >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32xCurWfJo4 >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > ARIN-PPML >>> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >>> Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> > ___ >>> > ARIN-PPML >>> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >>> ___ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >> ___ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> > ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
I second this as well, Owens presenting arguments with what seems like good logic with short term gains, is long term loss to the parties who should be on watch and then do not do so, and now we have to watch said parties edge in board votes to the bodies who's responsibility is to stop exactly this, by parties who want more freedom with moving IPv4 space offshore. No. On Wed, 01 Jun 2022, 21:43 Noah, wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:02 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, > wrote: > >> It’s actually full of misinformation. >> >> It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM. >> >> It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and >> Nominating Committee to railroad the election. >> >> The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order >> because of the improper acts of the board in conducting it. >> >> This is a much bigger mess than folks here are likely to be aware of and >> the AFRINIC board is rather thoroughly off the rails at this point. >> >> Owen >> > > Owen > > Please be honest and dont mislead the Arin community. > > There is a second side to each story. Time will tell. > > Noah > >> >> >> > On May 31, 2022, at 23:05 , Steve Spence >> wrote: >> > >> > This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Steve Spence >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ronald F. >> Guilmette >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:03 AM >> > To: arin-ppml@arin.net >> > Subject: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying >> > >> > >> > Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet >> Registry, I think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this >> video and to learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region. >> > >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32xCurWfJo4 >> > >> > ___ >> > ARIN-PPML >> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >> Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> > ___ >> > ARIN-PPML >> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >> ___ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:02 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, wrote: > It’s actually full of misinformation. > > It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM. > > It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and > Nominating Committee to railroad the election. > > The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order > because of the improper acts of the board in conducting it. > > This is a much bigger mess than folks here are likely to be aware of and > the AFRINIC board is rather thoroughly off the rails at this point. > > Owen > Owen Please be honest and dont mislead the Arin community. There is a second side to each story. Time will tell. Noah > > > > On May 31, 2022, at 23:05 , Steve Spence > wrote: > > > > This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Steve Spence > > > > -Original Message- > > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ronald F. > Guilmette > > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:03 AM > > To: arin-ppml@arin.net > > Subject: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying > > > > > > Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet > Registry, I think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this > video and to learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32xCurWfJo4 > > > > ___ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > ___ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
It’s actually full of misinformation. It misstates the AFRINIC bylaws, the contents of the RSA, and the CPM. It is also from one of the candidates hand picked by the board and Nominating Committee to railroad the election. The election has been challenged and is currently blocked by court order because of the improper acts of the board in conducting it. This is a much bigger mess than folks here are likely to be aware of and the AFRINIC board is rather thoroughly off the rails at this point. Owen > On May 31, 2022, at 23:05 , Steve Spence wrote: > > This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. > > > > Regards > > Steve Spence > > -Original Message- > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:03 AM > To: arin-ppml@arin.net > Subject: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying > > > Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet Registry, I > think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this video and to > learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32xCurWfJo4 > > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
In message <3d9344a0-0680-7c4e-44ef-a23a79f71...@gmail.com>, Fernando Frediani wrote: >In my humble personal opinion... I don't wish to be chastized for being off-topic here, but just briefly my own view is that "cutthoat capitalism", for lack of a better term, and total monetization of all IPv4 resources is likely the historically inevitable final endpoint for all these resources, however I have a strong preference for seeing things reach that inevitable endpoint as a result of free, fair, and orderly democratic processes, rather than via a concerted campaign of litigation, intimidation, and bribery, the latter approach being repugnant to my personal sense of fair play generally. Regards, rfg ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 12:30 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > P.S. Perhaps other RIRs may want to take this as a wake-up call and > incorporate > some sort of prohibition against vote buying (or other such fancy footwork) > into > their various applicable legal agreements. ARIN has been thinking about this sort of problem for years. Their solution is an interesting one - members have to regularly vote to remain members. If they don't, they fall back to being "ordinary" registrants and have a process with a waiting period that they have to go through to become members and vote again. It's not yet tested but in theory, the result is that it's too much work with too long a lead time to successfully buy a vote from more than a few people vulnerable to selling their vote. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/ ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
In my humble personal opinion this is the result and natural side-effect of stimulating things like IP Leasing from those who have a lot of spare IP Address to those who have been seeking it specially in the times of IPv4 exhaustion. Some people, even those who are not directly involved in these type of business, belittle it and say that´s a normal thing, that we have to accept it, etc, etc, but it is not. It is not by chance that this has never been an accepted practice to justify the need for resources to any RIR, because IP addresses are a shared owned resource and should not be available to be disposed at will by any resource holders. Because of this distortion this said "normal thing" causes in the market it may have side effects like this and why everyone that cares about stability of this system should strongly repeal any kind of IP Leasing in order to not worse things even more in the ecosystem we are all involved. Today is in AfriNic, tomorrow may be at your nextdoor. Regards Fernando On 01/06/2022 01:02, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: Even though this relates to a whole different Regional Internet Registry, I think that some (many) of you may be interested to watch this video and to learn what's been going on of late down in the AFRINIC region. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32xCurWfJo4 ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
+1 On Wednesday, June 1, 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message namprd22.prod.outlook.com>, > Steve Spence wrote: > > >This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. > > I agree on both counts. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. Perhaps other RIRs may want to take this as a wake-up call and > incorporate > some sort of prohibition against vote buying (or other such fancy > footwork) into > their various applicable legal agreements. > > Just a thought. Maybe worth what you paid for it. > ___ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
Re: [arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying
In message , Steve Spence wrote: >This is a well done video. I hope they sort things out. I agree on both counts. Regards, rfg P.S. Perhaps other RIRs may want to take this as a wake-up call and incorporate some sort of prohibition against vote buying (or other such fancy footwork) into their various applicable legal agreements. Just a thought. Maybe worth what you paid for it. ___ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
