Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On 10/11/2012 08:03 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 10/11/2012 03:10 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Just out of interest, which packages are you referring to? I am assuming it is LibreOffice + a small subset of whatever is in Fedora that isn't in EL; mainly because I had no RAM/swap/CPU issues building any the 2000 or so packages that overlap. Takes about 3-4 weeks on a _single_ SheevaPlug. You're building 2000 packages, we're building 12000. You also have more hardware than me. :p My build farm consists of 5 Kirkwoods. Libreoffice is definitely one one of the problem packages where an armv7hl builder is called for. The koji server has a special 'heavybuilder' group which handles such packages. Are you using USB storage on your sheevaplug? It surprises me that you can get through even 2000 in 3 weeks unless half of them are noarch ;-) 3. Certain features such as atomic operations aren't available on armv5, reducing the number of packages that can be built for ARM in total: If it fails on armv5 but works on armv7, we still don't get it for armv7. In _most_ packages that require this, there are patches that address it. According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora17_rawhide openmpi, pixie, mongodb are all currently broken due to atomics. This blocks condor, iwhd, perl-MongoDB, netcdf*, espresso, gdl, gdal, gromacs, ScientificPython, towhee, pypar, orsa, R-RScaLAPACK, nco, which in turn blocks even more packages. This is not an exhaustive list. Most of which, interestingly, don't appear to be in EL. I guess that part of fun awaits me when I move onto building EPEL... This also doesn't consider that some package builds are transiently successful and transiently fail due to thread-safe issues which aren't coded for in armv5tel. Indeed, I have seen that. Hence why I have reduced my build farm to Kirkwoods, and removed the (more cost effective in CPU/£) AC100s. SMPs threw a wobble every once in a while. Gordan ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
[fedora-arm] Raspberry Pi status update?
Hi, can somebody sum what is the progress of Fedora for Raspberry Pi? Cheers, Valent. -- follow me - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, wireless, scuba, linuxmce smart home, zwave ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turko...@hotmail.com ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On 10/11/2012 08:03 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: On 10/11/2012 03:10 AM, Gordan Bobic wrote: Just out of interest, which packages are you referring to? I am assuming it is LibreOffice + a small subset of whatever is in Fedora that isn't in EL; mainly because I had no RAM/swap/CPU issues building any the 2000 or so packages that overlap. Takes about 3-4 weeks on a _single_ SheevaPlug. You're building 2000 packages, we're building 12000. Libreoffice is definitely one one of the problem packages where an armv7hl builder is called for. I readily admit that the build time of a week is excessive. The koji server has a special 'heavybuilder' group which handles such packages. Are you using USB storage on your sheevaplug? It surprises me that you can get through even 2000 in 3 weeks unless half of them are noarch ;-) I use iSCSI (ext4 build area on one of the hosts for the packages that fail self-tests on NFS) and NFS (for everything else) backed by a reasonably beefy storage box. Gordan ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 09:40 +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote: I use iSCSI (ext4 build area on one of the hosts for the packages that fail self-tests on NFS) and NFS (for everything else) backed by a reasonably beefy storage box. Why no just iSCSI ? I am guessing you have some numbers to compare as you usually do. And what about kirkwoods with sata + average-speed spinning hd vs NFS/ext4 over iSCSI.on a gigabit. ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On 10/12/2012 09:55 AM, Yanko Kaneti wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 09:40 +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote: I use iSCSI (ext4 build area on one of the hosts for the packages that fail self-tests on NFS) and NFS (for everything else) backed by a reasonably beefy storage box. Why no just iSCSI ? I am guessing you have some numbers to compare as you usually do. I haven't tested it, but I wouldn't expect much difference. NFS is pretty efficient, and it's designed for that specific mode of operation. If anything I'd expect it to be faster than iSCSI. But the main reason I use it is because having shared storage is convenient for a lot of reasons. And what about kirkwoods with sata + average-speed spinning hd vs NFS/ext4 over iSCSI.on a gigabit. That would require a separate disk per builder, it'd still need some shared storage for convenience, and the IOPS would never be as good as what you can provide with a bigger storage box on the network. For example, my storage box (shared, not dedicated to the build farm) has 13x1TB disks in ZFS RAIDZ2 (using ZoL) and 16GB of RAM. It seamlessly churns out several times more IOPS than my small build farm can consume, even during the I/O intensive operations such as extracting src.rpms, and cleaning up build space. For cleanup, iSCSI+ext4 might be faster, but ultimately I don't particularly want to have to buy more disks. Having them all in one box is convenient and plenty fast enough. Gordan ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
[fedora-arm] Recommendations for a mini monitor
Hi all, I'm looking to hook up a little monitor on one of my Efika Smarttops (mx51 SOC) to test the video output and such. It will not display anything due to missing drivers, but hopefully it will be able to show a console due course. I've seen some Lilliput monitors that would suit my purpose, but maybe some of you have experiences that you can share? Which little monitor would you suggest for an ARM box with an HDMI connector (I not interested in USB versions)? Thanks, Niels ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Recommendations for a mini monitor
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Niels de Vos de...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi all, I'm looking to hook up a little monitor on one of my Efika Smarttops (mx51 SOC) to test the video output and such. It will not display anything due to missing drivers, but hopefully it will be able to show a console due course. I've seen some Lilliput monitors that would suit 3.6 should shortly give you framebuffer which means you should even have X and when 3.7 hits there's even a KMS driver which means you could use the basic X modesetting driver! my purpose, but maybe some of you have experiences that you can share? Which little monitor would you suggest for an ARM box with an HDMI connector (I not interested in USB versions)? Define little as some would call a 24inch monitor little ;-) I presume you mean 15inch? Peter ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
[fedora-arm] Daily Koji Compare Stats
Fri Oct 12 09:05:01 EDT 2012 f17-updates : arm vs PA Same |Newer |Older |Local | Remote | Missing | -- 2553 |2 | 31 |1 | 226 | 38 | http://142.204.133.82/jon/koji/kc.f17-updates.diff.html f18 : arm vs PA Same |Newer |Older |Local | Remote | Missing | -- 11806 |5 | 240 |2 | 309 | 329 | http://142.204.133.82/jon/koji/kc.f18.diff.html f18-updates-testing : arm vs PA Same |Newer |Older |Local | Remote | Missing | -- 1715 |3 | 138 |0 | 156 | 148 | http://142.204.133.82/jon/koji/kc.f18-updates-testing.diff.html f19 : arm vs PA Same |Newer |Older |Local | Remote | Missing | -- 11328 | 14 | 798 |2 | 335 | 1398 | http://142.204.133.82/jon/koji/kc.f19.diff.html ARM Build Status Wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Fedora17_rawhide Fri Oct 12 09:27:40 EDT 2012 ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
[fedora-arm] on and off topic: Re: f-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Dennis Gilmore wrote: Gordon I am considering moderating your posts to this list. they have all been off topic to the list, which is Fedora ARM. there are other lists to talk about your own agenda. ehh? If this mailing list is intended to be limited to Fedora, it does not say so in the instructions at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm Welcome to the Fedora ARM project mailing list! This mailing list is to discussion ARM-specific issues. These include cross-compiling, kernel changes, making custom distributions and kernels for various ARM boards and processors. 'making custom distributions' seems well within scope as to what Gordon has been posting -- Russ herrold ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:46:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Marvell? Asking who in particular? And what configuration. There's a lot of kirkwood chips with 128Mb or less RAM which makes it a little pointless for a Fedora image and hence IMO not relevant. A Seagate dockstar has only 128Mb RAM and boots Fedora without a problem. Why should it not be used with Fedora? Debian supports it without problems as well. Regards Till ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:37:51PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com writes: Personally I'd be fine if we consider Kirkwood to be server only (i.e. headless). So to me that implies that a lack of Libreoffice is okay. Granted, I don't know if that's okay from a Fedora standpoint. I would not miss Libreoffice as well. As far as I know many Kirkwood devices do no have any connector for a display, e.g. the Guru plug, Sheeva plug or Dockstar. Regards Till ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
[fedora-arm] Proposed VFAD - Monday October 15th-12pm EDT
Good day all, In preparation for a Fedora 18 ARM alpha release we would like to do a VFAD next week, tentatively on Monday October 15th at 12PM EDT. Does this work for all that would like to participate? David Marlin has put together some images for the Pandaboard, Trimslice and vexpress(QEMU) that can be downloaded from - http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18-prealpha/ , and will be used for testing next week. Ideally we would like to also include a ARMv5 Kirkwood image but could some help producing and testing those (if anyone is able to help, please let us know). Thanks, Paul ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Proposed VFAD - Monday October 15th-12pm EDT
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Paul Whalen pwha...@redhat.com wrote: Good day all, In preparation for a Fedora 18 ARM alpha release we would like to do a VFAD next week, tentatively on Monday October 15th at 12PM EDT. Does this work for all that would like to participate? David Marlin has put together some images for the Pandaboard, Trimslice and vexpress(QEMU) that can be downloaded from - http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f18-prealpha/ , and will be used for testing next week. Ideally we would like to also include a ARMv5 Kirkwood image but could some help producing and testing those (if anyone is able to help, please let us know). Works for me, I'll be there. Though I believe some folks might still be attending FUDcon Paris around that time[0] I guess we could go ahead with Monday tentatively, or maybe Tuesday. The sooner the better ;) -Jon [0] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Paris_2012#Dates ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
Re: [fedora-arm] Who's using Kirkwood?
On Friday, October 12, 2012, 1:51:43 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 01:37:51PM -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: Brendan Conoboy b...@redhat.com writes: Personally I'd be fine if we consider Kirkwood to be server only (i.e. headless). So to me that implies that a lack of Libreoffice is okay. Granted, I don't know if that's okay from a Fedora standpoint. I would not miss Libreoffice as well. As far as I know many Kirkwood devices do no have any connector for a display, e.g. the Guru plug, Sheeva plug or Dockstar. My OpenRD Client has VGA and SATA disk. ___ arm mailing list arm@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/arm
