Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, FaTony wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it >> would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david >> steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption, >> just as much as anywhere. >> >> he does however point out that the "poor" have, collectively, *MORE* >> buying-power than the 1% elite who keep them oppressed and suppressed. >> do read what he wrote because i feel that you will see that there is >> always hope. >> >> l. > > It would require the average Joe to be able to see beyond his nose. robert david steele calls that the "tunisian fruit seller" tipping point. it'll happen. > I > had to convince my parents and friends to vote. Half of them didn't care > and the other half didn't think their vote matters. The latter is mostly > true as elections are almost completely rigged and there is now a > popular meme "146%" because that is a total amount of votes if you add > all parties together according to a federal TV report. brazen. amazing. > There was one notable exception. Alexey Navalny was running for a mayor > of Moscow and got the 2nd place with ~20% votes. After that, he was > quickly arrested and was about to get a prison sentence but managed to > avoid it. But his brother didn't though, he's still in prison. ahh - yes: to make sure alexey behaves. very clever. well, read what robert steele writes: he points out that we can just sit here and cower before these people, or we can use transparency and open-ness to say "ENOUGH", and take responsibility for ourselves. for computing, i'm merely presenting people with the *opportunity* to own their own hardware: that's just one small part (quite a strategically important one) but it's part of something much bigger that people have to wake up to. never give up hope, fatony. l. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
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eas maybe that's less apparent. > > Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US > government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's > more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > > > > -- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:12:03 + > From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > To: Linux on small ARM machines > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson > wrote: > >> Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US >> government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's >> more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we > see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive > over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been > undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather > long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S. > diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist > imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country > that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the > point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening > *right now*. > > now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap > going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions, > and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up > someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good > article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open > source intelligence" movement. a quote: > > Today’s capitalism, he argues, is inherently predatory and destructive: > > “Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and > everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard > to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had > spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by > the Industrial Era.” > > huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment" > is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't > believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your > employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence > enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns > absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't > enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value > of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair > wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in > the company! > > yyeah > > holy fuck i had no idea: "the west supports 42 of 44 [world] dictators". > > > [1] > http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/philippines-triggers-asian-tectonic-shift-away-from-us/ > [2] > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-source-revolution-conquer-one-percent-cia-spy > > > > -- > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 + > From: FaTony > To: Linux on small ARM machines > Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the > Rest of the World About Internet Values > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> Furthermore, >> much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s >> insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and >> unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. > Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west > propaganda. Every day I hear ppl discussing how some bad stuff is > happening in US, Europe or Ukraine and how Russian patriotism and > Orthodox Church are the foundation upon which you should live. > > But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares gets > sued, arrested, tortured or killed. Russian authorities use a blacklist > of sites and do DPI to make sure that nobody will find a way to > opposition sites that bring up Russian issues. They also have the legal > capacity to store all internet traffic for 6 months. > > Nowadays, about 90% of my traffic goes
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
Here's what peaceful protest gives you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ildar_Dadin This guy can die any day now. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: > you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it > would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david > steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption, > just as much as anywhere. > > he does however point out that the "poor" have, collectively, *MORE* > buying-power than the 1% elite who keep them oppressed and suppressed. > do read what he wrote because i feel that you will see that there is > always hope. > > l. It would require the average Joe to be able to see beyond his nose. I had to convince my parents and friends to vote. Half of them didn't care and the other half didn't think their vote matters. The latter is mostly true as elections are almost completely rigged and there is now a popular meme "146%" because that is a total amount of votes if you add all parties together according to a federal TV report. There was one notable exception. Alexey Navalny was running for a mayor of Moscow and got the 2nd place with ~20% votes. After that, he was quickly arrested and was about to get a prison sentence but managed to avoid it. But his brother didn't though, he's still in prison. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:27:00AM +, Alexander Ross wrote: >> off topic: >> >> I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by >> a number of allwinner :( people: >> >> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_internet_values.html >> >> bit in particular i just read: > > I mostly liked the bits in the end: > > " > > When President Obama paraphrases the U.S. cybersecurity strategy at a > town hall meeting in China as “the more freely information flows, the > stronger societies become,” China thinks, “You’re a guest and that’s > just rude.” > > When the U.S. says, “We will work with partners in industry, academia, > and NGOs to harness the power of connection technologies and apply them > to our diplomatic goals,” Russia thinks, “We were so right to kick out > those foreign NGOs.” https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/11/26/0813222/schools-funded-by-gates-and-zuckerberg-ordered-closed-in-uganda#comments https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/06/18/1919211/bill-gates-donation-of-thousands-of-chickens-rejected-by-bolivia professor yunus explains it best, that people need to feel empowered to uplift *themselves*. > I love the smell of post-truth in the morning. :) > Also, I guess you have a really good internet connection in Shenzen. just one that can tolerate openvpn. the connection speed is around the 30-50k/sec mark, which is just enough for browsers to not trigger SSL session establishment timeouts or browser page timeouts on a regular basis. in shenzhen where it was around the 10-15k/sec mark, that was where it was completely intolerable. l. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 01:27:00AM +, Alexander Ross wrote: > off topic: > > I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by > a number of allwinner :( people: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_internet_values.html > > bit in particular i just read: I mostly liked the bits in the end: " When President Obama paraphrases the U.S. cybersecurity strategy at a town hall meeting in China as “the more freely information flows, the stronger societies become,” China thinks, “You’re a guest and that’s just rude.” When the U.S. says, “We will work with partners in industry, academia, and NGOs to harness the power of connection technologies and apply them to our diplomatic goals,” Russia thinks, “We were so right to kick out those foreign NGOs.” " I'd also like to add my own: When the U.S. says: "We would like your citizens to have proper access to the Internet", North Korea thinks, "We are to allow our citizens to hear what happens in the South and to hear slander about our fearless leader." I love the smell of post-truth in the morning. Also, I guess you have a really good internet connection in Shenzen. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
On November 27, 2016 6:12:03 PM PST, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >--- >crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson > wrote: > >> Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US >> government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's >> more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values. > > very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we >see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive >over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been >undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather >long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S. >diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist >imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country >that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the >point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening >*right now*. > I'm finding this perspective quite enlightening. From inside the US, although a lot of us know we are propagandized and foreign policy is full of ulterior motives, it's not often one considers the opposite view as a citizen of another country. > now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap >going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions, >and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up >someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good >article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open >source intelligence" movement. a quote: > >Today’s capitalism, he argues, is inherently predatory and destructive: > >“Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and >everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard >to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had >spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by >the Industrial Era.” > >huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment" >is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't >believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your >employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence >enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns >absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't >enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value >of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair >wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in >the company! > There's a zen-slap for me. I'm a wage-slave and so is nearly everyone around me. -- Eric Duhamel http://www.noxbanners.net/ ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
Re: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World About Internet Values
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:51 AM, FaTony wrote: > But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to > survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from > the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and > grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia. you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption, just as much as anywhere. he does however point out that the "poor" have, collectively, *MORE* buying-power than the 1% elite who keep them oppressed and suppressed. do read what he wrote because i feel that you will see that there is always hope. l. ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
