Re: Antibiotic Resistent Bacteria

2002-11-29 Thread Jacob W Braestrup
Alypius Skinner wrote:

 This brings up the larger question of whether the economy experiences 
a net
 gain or a net loss from constant government tinkering, taxes, 
regulation,
 bureaucracy, paperwork, and general added complexity.  Of course, 
some of
 this nanny state tinkering will provide a net benefit, even if only a 
slim
 one in many cases, but other cases will provide a net loss to 
society, and
 it is usually impossible to know which clever government program will 
result
 in net gains and which in net losses beforehand.  It is even either
 impossible or difficult and expensive to discover which clever 
government
 programs are worthwhile after the fact.  

[...]

Of course, since some role for the state is indispensable,
 such excesses cannot be entirely avoided, but I do think we need to 
ask
 whether, on balance, government micromanagement of the *private* 
sector is a
 net gain or a net loss or simply too close to call.  Of these three
 possibilites, only one justifies the type of government program 
suggested by
 Fred Folvary.  Evaluating proposed government schemes for 
further managing
 the free sector of the economy on a case by case basis is a well
 demonstrated failure.
 

Correct: the choice is not one of no (little) government v. government 
mnaking the right descisions; but no (little) government v. government 
having the power to make certain descisions (whether these are on 
average right or wrong is an empirical answer, which I believe has been 
firmly established as on average: wrong!)

- jacob braestrup




Re: Antibiotic Resistent Bacteria

2002-11-29 Thread Anton Sherwood
Alypius Skinner wrote:
 PS--When I started to open Gil Guillory's post on this thread,
 I got a message saying it had been tampered with in transit. 
 Is it still safe to open?

It has a crypto-signature that does not match the content; no other
suspicious attachments.  It is presumably as safe as any unsigned mail.

-- 
Anton Sherwood, http://www.ogre.nu/




Antibiotic Resistent Bacteria

2002-11-27 Thread Michael Giesbrecht
Can economics provide any answers the the question, what should be done about the 
problem of deadly bacteria developing resistence to antibiotics? The reason I ask is 
it seems to be a prisoner's delimma. If everybody would forego the use of antibiotics, 
except in extreme circumstances, bacteria would not be able to evolve so quickly into 
antibiotic resistant strains. But I'm not everybody, I'm only me. I should take 
antibiotics whenever my health would benefit from my doing so.

Warm regards,
Michael Giesbrecht
Internet Engineering
Lucasfilm Ltd.

I am anticipating the day when the possession of Tibet and Afghanistan will be 
represented as vitally necessary to the security of Kansas and Nebraska. There is no 
logical end to this elastic conception of 'security' short of the conquest of the 
whole world. --William Henry Chamberlin, War - Shortcut to Fascism, American 
Mercury, LI, 204 (December 1940)





RE: Antibiotic Resistent Bacteria

2002-11-27 Thread Gil Guillory
It seems to me that this problem is the same as the general problem of
non-renewable resource use.

If the use of antibiotics results in their being, after X uses,
ineffective, then they are a limited resource, as we believe oil to be.

All of the relevant literature applies. I am particularly impressed with
what Murray Rothbard has to say about this in his _Man, Economy, and
State_.

From a modern philosophical perspective, I would also recommend the
recent book by Jan Narveson, _Respecting Persons in Theory and
Practice_, which has a chapter on the general problem of resource use.

My normative take on this:

If you want to take antibiotics, you are either correct (the diagnosis
that you have a bacterial infection, as opposed to a virus) and it will
be effective (the bacteria are not resistant). In this case, your own
self-interest will guide you to the public good. You don't want to pay
for and use the drug unless it works.

It will certainly be the case (by stipulation) that antibiotics will
start being less effective. When it becomes economically feasible, tests
may be used to determine whether one's bacterial infection will respond
to antibiotics. This might be about the time that the product of the
incidence of resistant bacterial infections and the cost of treatment by
antibiotics exceeds the cost of the test.

Worries about future generations must be pooh-poohed. If the future
generations argument has any validity, we should never use antibiotics.

Gil Guillory, P.E.
Process Design and Project Engineering
KBR, KT-3131B
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phone 713-753-2724(w) or 281-362-8061(h) or 281-620-6995(m)
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 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Giesbrecht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:40 PM
 To: ARMCHAIR (E-mail)
 Subject: Antibiotic Resistent Bacteria
 
 
 Can economics provide any answers the the question, what 
 should be done about the problem of deadly bacteria 
 developing resistence to antibiotics? The reason I ask is it 
 seems to be a prisoner's delimma. If everybody would forego 
 the use of antibiotics, except in extreme circumstances, 
 bacteria would not be able to evolve so quickly into 
 antibiotic resistant strains. But I'm not everybody, I'm only 
 me. I should take antibiotics whenever my health would 
 benefit from my doing so.
 
 Warm regards,
 Michael Giesbrecht
 Internet Engineering
 Lucasfilm Ltd.
 
 I am anticipating the day when the possession of Tibet and 
 Afghanistan will be represented as vitally necessary to the 
 security of Kansas and Nebraska. There is no logical end to 
 this elastic conception of 'security' short of the conquest 
 of the whole world. --William Henry Chamberlin, War - 
 Shortcut to Fascism, American Mercury, LI, 204 (December 1940)
 
 



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