Re: Morality and Immigration

2000-09-15 Thread Edward Dodson

Ed Dodson responding...


 Alexander Tabarrok wrote:
 I am giving a talk today in which I point out that virtually every
 moral theory implies open borders are moral and immigration controls
 immoral.  ...   Yet, ... the
 implications are clearly not accepted by most people - or at least most
 people are willing to ignore the implications.  What does this tell us.
 1) Moral theory counts for nothing, 2) We are still tribalist but are
 working away from that, 3) We have the wrong moral theory.  4) ?

Ed here:
These are important questions, the subject of thousands of books and an
endless series of conferences, seminars and advocacies. Centuries after St.
Thomas Aquinas, we are still arguing whether there are universal rights
attached to our humanness, superior to any social mores (even those accepted
by the majority in a society). I earlier offered as a fundamental moral
principle that "the earth is the birthright of all persons, equally." To
argue otherwise is to argue that some are born into this worth with greater
claims on the natural world than others.

The reality of our circumstance is that human beings live and have lived for
thousands of years in very different physical environments, mostly with
modest interaction with other groups (except as opponents in warfare over
territorial expansion). Suddenly, with the rapid introduction of new
technologies, we are thrust together without having had the opportunity to
incrementally solve the socio-political problems associated with cultural
relativism.

There is a growing transnational community of people working toward the
identification and promotion of universal values, to serve as the basis for
the socio-political arrangements and institutions in every society. However,
this community of people is still a small minority. An enormous educational
challenge exists to overcome deeply entrenched and institutionally-supported
nurturing that fosters ethnic and racial bigotry, privilege-based societal
hierarchies and the continued adherence to tribalism (and its extended
imprint on the global village, nationalism).








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Morality and Immigration

2000-09-14 Thread Alex Tabarrok

   I am giving a talk today in which I point out that virtually every
moral theory implies open borders are moral and immigration controls
immoral.  Here are the theories I deal with.

1) Natural Rights ala Nozick, Rand etc.

2) Utilitarianism

3) Contemporary redistribute the wealth liberalism (ala the John Kenneth
Galbraith quote mentioned earlier).  

4) Analytical liberalism (Rawlsian veil of ignorance arguments.)

5) Christianity (kindness to strangers) 

I think the arguments for open borders under each of these moral
theories should be pretty clear for list readers but I will spell them
out if anyone is interested.  My point here is that this is all very
surprising.  After all, these moral theories disagree on just about any
other issue!  Each of these moral theories, however, has a univeralist
claim.  That is, it takes equality seriously in some sense and does not
recognize the arbitrary and accidental place of birth to be
determinative in any important way which is why it supports open
borders. 

Yet, despite the fact that these are all big-time moral theories the
implications are clearly not accepted by most people - or at least most
people are willing to ignore the implications.  What does this tell us. 
1) Moral theory counts for nothing, 2) We are still tribalist but are
working away from that, 3) We have the wrong moral theory.  4) ?

Alex
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The Independent Institute
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Re: Morality and Immigration

2000-09-14 Thread Robin Hanson

Alexander Tabarrok wrote:
I am giving a talk today in which I point out that virtually every
moral theory implies open borders are moral and immigration controls
immoral.  ...   Yet, ... the
implications are clearly not accepted by most people - or at least most
people are willing to ignore the implications.  What does this tell us.
1) Moral theory counts for nothing, 2) We are still tribalist but are
working away from that, 3) We have the wrong moral theory.  4) ?

It seems even stranger than that - people do accept moral arguments
when it comes to sending aid from here to there, though they clearly
don't weigh very heavily on them, since such aid is rather small.
They treat the two ways of helping differently, even though the way
of helping others that they avoid would actually help them as well.

Robin Hanson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://hanson.gmu.edu
Asst. Prof. Economics, George Mason University
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