Re: [arr] JEALOUS EGO - NOT HEALTHY
I agree with u.great advice.Lets praise our BOSS and not CRITICISE the 'others'.PB Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi all. i m too one of the members here though not posting much but knowing the informations from u all. i dont understand u people take such comments regarding IR's popcorn foodseriously. And why should u think that IR is pinpointing only ARR as there are a handful of music directors in tamil industry.And i would like to make you all easy by a fact that ARR has not allowed much of tappaang kooththoo songs in his compositions except for rare items like amma petta iyyam petta-rap song in kaathalan movie.ARR not using much of that kind isitselfis a great relief. Where in case other music directors are making it a point atleast one song of this masala category-t'kooththoo in their choice including maestro ilayaraja who has composed lot of t'kooththoo songs in his peak which is not at all healthy when comes to good music pure music. t'kooththoo songs are aimed at one section of society which MDs think is an essential ingredient to make more audio sales.This is the weakness of tamil music which pulls down its popularity in the national international level. That is why we don't hesitate to say till IR's era tamil film music is not recognised even by the north indians, though IR has givenlots of gems in his period. but this masala thing or t'kooththu which was handled more in IR's era too, degrades the music. Now ARR has taken tamil music more recognized in north abroad. We think MDs instead ofstuffing t'kooththu variety songs compulsarily shouldhandle the classical music in a fusion way with western like ARR doing and pull out the listeners who listens more to t'kooththu songs and make them realize learn what is music actually in its classical form through western twist. As for us Oh Podu, Appadi Podu, Manmadha Rasa, Cheena Thaana,(yeh aatththaa atthorama, thanni thotti thedi vantha, so many t'koothu for kamal, rajni, vijaykanth other heros of 1980s 1990setc. by IR)variety songsis a curse to music in tamilnadu when it boasts ofits rich culture tradition in arts where tamilnadu is a heart of Carnatic Classical Music. We would like to let you know all, What Carnatic Classical has its own rich ragas in numerous countless numbers how the musicians present in a vast creativity skills in not present in the hindustani area. hindustani is very limited and they don't know to venture into more ragas creativity and always doing the same grind. As language is a barrier to the classical musicians here, our music is recognised only to certain extent. Otherwise we will be ruling the music nationwide-100%. We are proud to be part of tamilnadu of this rich music. So all the music directors of tamilnadu owe a lot to the saint-composers composers who explored carnatic music in those days itself of our king's dynasties. Because of this classical music only (be it carnatic or hindustani) these MDs both insouth northnow scores, debates and gone to the extent of finding fault with other mdswhen they feel they are let down not getting their due. This a jealousy attitude notmature. Live let live should occupy their minds instead of egoism.If it is so one could imagine those days saint-composers are unsung heros were not given their reasonable due credits in terms of royalties. Royalties means one can imagine the amount of classical songs now the present day musicians both in films carnatic kutcheris(concerts) handling music with a guidance only from their collections. So if the saint-composers receive the royalties, they will all become the highest tax-payers but what they underwent is a very miserable poverty devoting their life absolutely in service to god. THEY ARE THE GREATEST.Otherwise we won't be forming groups to discuss about music like this.ARR knows well about carnatic music their saint composers he will even agree bow down to those saints responsible for classical music thriving here and now its situation is greatly saved by professionals here. WE SALUTE THE SAINTS. WE SALUTE THE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE GIVING GOOD RICH MUSIC. LONG LIVE CARNATIC CLASSICAL MUSIC. TILL CARNATIC THRIVES HERE OUR MUSIC DIRECTORS (ALL) AND CLASSICAL MUSICIANS WILL BE MAKING THEIR BREAD BUTTER. So before saluting the mds salute the saints who gave this music to tamilnadu unconditionally.Guys everyone who is participating here, please post your views for this. Please dont deny the truth. P.S.:-I am a carnatic musician learning violin to a famous violin maestro. Thanx RAAM. up84mouli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everybody...During the recently conducted one-day "Maestro Live" show byIlayaraja, he was interacting with the audiences in a friendly manner.Speaking about his compositions, he said: "In a music, both the tunesand the lyrics should complement perfectly. As in the case of a song:Sundari kannal oru sedhi (Dalapathy), Vaali has written lyrics whichmatch my compositions
Re: [arr] JEALOUS EGO - NOT HEALTHY
Each genre of music has its own place in the sky. You have made some daring comparisons of Carnatic music vs Hindustani music. I admit I haven't learned both but have heard them and believe me Hindustani music isn't limited. Anyways coming back to the core of dappankoothu songs, it does have a place atleast in cinema and society. If I am not mistaken, Dappankoothu like Rap has emerged from the poor echeleons of the society. The only jarring factor in the recent hits are the monotony and the vulgar lyrics. I loved Pettai Rap and would love Rahman to come with something in this genre. One does need to let their hair down and enjoy once in a while.On 11/15/05, PB Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. i m too one of the members here though not posting much but knowing the informations from u all. i dont understand u people take such comments regarding IR's popcorn foodseriously. And why should u think that IR is pinpointing only ARR as there are a handful of music directors in tamil industry.And i would like to make you all easy by a fact that ARR has not allowed much of tappaang kooththoo songs in his compositions except for rare items like amma petta iyyam petta-rap song in kaathalan movie.ARR not using much of that kind isitselfis a great relief. Where in case other music directors are making it a point atleast one song of this masala category-t'kooththoo in their choice including maestro ilayaraja who has composed lot of t'kooththoo songs in his peak which is not at all healthy when comes to good music pure music. t'kooththoo songs are aimed at one section of society which MDs think is an essential ingredient to make more audio sales.This is the weakness of tamil music which pulls down its popularity in the national international level. That is why we don't hesitate to say till IR's era tamil film music is not recognised even by the north indians, though IR has givenlots of gems in his period. but this masala thing or t'kooththu which was handled more in IR's era too, degrades the music. Now ARR has taken tamil music more recognized in north abroad. We think MDs instead ofstuffing t'kooththu variety songs compulsarily shouldhandle the classical music in a fusion way with western like ARR doing and pull out the listeners who listens more to t'kooththu songs and make them realize learn what is music actually in its classical form through western twist. As for us Oh Podu, Appadi Podu, Manmadha Rasa, Cheena Thaana,(yeh aatththaa atthorama, thanni thotti thedi vantha, so many t'koothu for kamal, rajni, vijaykanth other heros of 1980s 1990setc. by IR)variety songsis a curse to music in tamilnadu when it boasts ofits rich culture tradition in arts where tamilnadu is a heart of Carnatic Classical Music. We would like to let you know all, What Carnatic Classical has its own rich ragas in numerous countless numbers how the musicians present in a vast creativity skills in not present in the hindustani area. hindustani is very limited and they don't know to venture into more ragas creativity and always doing the same grind. As language is a barrier to the classical musicians here, our music is recognised only to certain extent. Otherwise we will be ruling the music nationwide-100%. We are proud to be part of tamilnadu of this rich music. So all the music directors of tamilnadu owe a lot to the saint-composers composers who explored carnatic music in those days itself of our king's dynasties. Because of this classical music only (be it carnatic or hindustani) these MDs both insouth northnow scores, debates and gone to the extent of finding fault with other mdswhen they feel they are let down not getting their due. This a jealousy attitude notmature. Live let live should occupy their minds instead of egoism.If it is so one could imagine those days saint-composers are unsung heros were not given their reasonable due credits in terms of royalties. Royalties means one can imagine the amount of classical songs now the present day musicians both in films carnatic kutcheris(concerts) handling music with a guidance only from their collections. So if the saint-composers receive the royalties, they will all become the highest tax-payers but what they underwent is a very miserable poverty devoting their life absolutely in service to god. THEY ARE THE GREATEST.Otherwise we won't be forming groups to discuss about music like this.ARR knows well about carnatic music their saint composers he will even agree bow down to those saints responsible for classical music thriving here and now its situation is greatly saved by professionals here. WE SALUTE THE SAINTS. WE SALUTE THE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE GIVING GOOD RICH MUSIC. LONG LIVE CARNATIC CLASSICAL MUSIC. TILL CARNATIC THRIVES HERE OUR MUSIC DIRECTORS (ALL) AND CLASSICAL MUSICIANS WILL BE MAKING THEIR BREAD BUTTER. So before saluting the mds salute the saints who gave this music to tamilnadu unconditionally.Guys everyone who
Re: [arr] JEALOUS EGO - NOT HEALTHY
Dear Ram, To state that Dappakuttu only fasinates one section of the society is being absolute RACIST, you have started the same old caste based arguements stating that carnatic music is the best and the most divine, to be more precise let me tell you that Dappakuttu for Tamils is like what Bhangra is for Punjabis and like Vinayakam said dappakuttu has so much potential if used the right way it can be our entry to the world music scene like how Punjabi Mc or Rish Rich used bhangra with hiphop beats to reach the worldwide audience, Finally i want to request to the moderator not to encourage these sort of RACIST REMARKS IN THIS FORUM. PEACE OUT... --- Vinayakam Murugan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each genre of music has its own place in the sky. You have made some daring comparisons of Carnatic music vs Hindustani music. I admit I haven't learned both but have heard them and believe me Hindustani music isn't limited. Anyways coming back to the core of dappankoothu songs, it does have a place atleast in cinema and society. If I am not mistaken, Dappankoothu like Rap has emerged from the poor echeleons of the society. The only jarring factor in the recent hits are the monotony and the vulgar lyrics. I loved Pettai Rap and would love Rahman to come with something in this genre. One does need to let their hair down and enjoy once in a while. On 11/15/05, PB Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all. i m too one of the members here though not posting much but knowing the informations from u all. i dont understand u people take such comments regarding IR's popcorn food seriously. And why should u think that IR is pinpointing only ARR as there are a handful of music directors in tamil industry. And i would like to make you all easy by a fact that ARR has not allowed much of tappaang kooththoo songs in his compositions except for rare items like amma petta iyyam petta-rap song in kaathalan movie. ARR not using much of that kind is itself is a great relief. Where in case other music directors are making it a point atleast one song of this masala category-t'kooththoo in their choice including maestro ilayaraja who has composed lot of t'kooththoo songs in his peak which is not at all healthy when comes to good music pure music. t'kooththoo songs are aimed at one section of society which MDs think is an essential ingredient to make more audio sales. This is the weakness of tamil music which pulls down its popularity in the national international level. That is why we don't hesitate to say till IR's era tamil film music is not recognised even by the north indians, though IR has given lots of gems in his period. but this masala thing or t'kooththu which was handled more in IR's era too, degrades the music. Now ARR has taken tamil music more recognized in north abroad. We think MDs instead of stuffing t'kooththu variety songs compulsarily should handle the classical music in a fusion way with western like ARR doing and pull out the listeners who listens more to t'kooththu songs and make them realize learn what is music actually in its classical form through western twist. As for us Oh Podu, Appadi Podu, Manmadha Rasa, Cheena Thaana, (yeh aatththaa atthorama, thanni thotti thedi vantha, so many t'koothu for kamal, rajni, vijaykanth other heros of 1980s 1990s etc. by IR) variety songs is a curse to music in tamilnadu when it boasts of its rich culture tradition in arts where tamilnadu is a heart of Carnatic Classical Music. We would like to let you know all, What Carnatic Classical has its own rich ragas in numerous countless numbers how the musicians present in a vast creativity skills in not present in the hindustani area. hindustani is very limited and they don't know to venture into more ragas creativity and always doing the same grind. As language is a barrier to the classical musicians here, our music is recognised only to certain extent. Otherwise we will be ruling the music nationwide-100%. We are proud to be part of tamilnadu of this rich music. So all the music directors of tamilnadu owe a lot to the saint-composers composers who explored carnatic music in those days itself of our king's dynasties. Because of this classical music only (be it carnatic or hindustani) these MDs both in south north now scores, debates and gone to the extent of finding fault with other mds when they feel they are let down not getting their due. This a jealousy attitude not mature. Live let live should occupy their minds instead of egoism. If it is so one could imagine those days saint-composers are unsung heros were not given their reasonable due credits in terms of royalties. Royalties means one can imagine the amount of classical songs now the present day musicians both in films carnatic kutcheris(concerts) handling music with a guidance
[arr] JEALOUS EGO - NOT HEALTHY
hi all. i m too one of the members here though not posting much but knowing the informations from u all. i dont understand u people take such comments regarding IR's popcorn foodseriously. And why should u think that IR is pinpointing only ARR as there are a handful of music directors in tamil industry.And i would like to make you all easy by a fact that ARR has not allowed much of tappaang kooththoo songs in his compositions except for rare items like amma petta iyyam petta-rap song in kaathalan movie.ARR not using much of that kind isitselfis a great relief. Where in case other music directors are making it a point atleast one song of this masala category-t'kooththoo in their choice including maestro ilayaraja who has composed lot of t'kooththoo songs in his peak which is not at all healthy when comes to good music pure music. t'kooththoo songs are aimed at one section of society which MDs think is an essential ingredient to make more audio sales.This is the weakness of tamil music which pulls down its popularity in the national international level. That is why we don't hesitate to say till IR's era tamil film music is not recognised even by the north indians, though IR has givenlots of gems in his period. but this masala thing or t'kooththu which was handled more in IR's era too, degrades the music. Now ARR has taken tamil music more recognized in north abroad. We think MDs instead ofstuffing t'kooththu variety songs compulsarily shouldhandle the classical music in a fusion way with western like ARR doing and pull out the listeners who listens more to t'kooththu songs and make them realize learn what is music actually in its classical form through western twist. As for us Oh Podu, Appadi Podu, Manmadha Rasa, Cheena Thaana,(yeh aatththaa atthorama, thanni thotti thedi vantha, so many t'koothu for kamal, rajni, vijaykanth other heros of 1980s 1990setc. by IR)variety songsis a curse to music in tamilnadu when it boasts ofits rich culture tradition in arts where tamilnadu is a heart of Carnatic Classical Music. We would like to let you know all, What Carnatic Classical has its own rich ragas in numerous countless numbers how the musicians present in a vast creativity skills in not present in the hindustani area. hindustani is very limited and they don't know to venture into more ragas creativity and always doing the same grind. As language is a barrier to the classical musicians here, our music is recognised only to certain extent. Otherwise we will be ruling the music nationwide-100%. We are proud to be part of tamilnadu of this rich music. So all the music directors of tamilnadu owe a lot to the saint-composers composers who explored carnatic music in those days itself of our king's dynasties. Because of this classical music only (be it carnatic or hindustani) these MDs both insouth northnow scores, debates and gone to the extent of finding fault with other mdswhen they feel they are let down not getting their due. This a jealousy attitude notmature. Live let live should occupy their minds instead of egoism.If it is so one could imagine those days saint-composers are unsung heros were not given their reasonable due credits in terms of royalties. Royalties means one can imagine the amount of classical songs now the present day musicians both in films carnatic kutcheris(concerts) handling music with a guidance only from their collections. So if the saint-composers receive the royalties, they will all become the highest tax-payers but what they underwent is a very miserable poverty devoting their life absolutely in service to god. THEY ARE THE GREATEST.Otherwise we won't be forming groups to discuss about music like this.ARR knows well about carnatic music their saint composers he will even agree bow down to those saints responsible for classical music thriving here and now its situation is greatly saved by professionals here. WE SALUTE THE SAINTS. WE SALUTE THE PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE GIVING GOOD RICH MUSIC. LONG LIVE CARNATIC CLASSICAL MUSIC. TILL CARNATIC THRIVES HERE OUR MUSIC DIRECTORS (ALL) AND CLASSICAL MUSICIANS WILL BE MAKING THEIR BREAD BUTTER. So before saluting the mds salute the saints who gave this music to tamilnadu unconditionally.Guys everyone who is participating here, please post your views for this. Please dont deny the truth. P.S.:-I am a carnatic musician learning violin to a famous violin maestro. Thanx RAAM. up84mouli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everybody...During the recently conducted one-day "Maestro Live" show byIlayaraja, he was interacting with the audiences in a friendly manner.Speaking about his compositions, he said: "In a music, both the tunesand the lyrics should complement perfectly. As in the case of a song:Sundari kannal oru sedhi (Dalapathy), Vaali has written lyrics whichmatch my compositions appropriately in the exact range and wavelength."Then he also said: "Today, there are songs which neither match
