Re: [arr] Re: I am sick of "the music could have been better" comments
On 7/21/05 10:17 AM India Time, _ST_ wrote: > Rawat, > > If anyone knows slightest bit of history about Mangal Pandey he would > know the situation and plot to be expected. Okay, so by listening to > Rising you can't validate whether it is entirely appropriate. Then you > might want to revisit Bose, bhagat singh, laagan etc. > > He doesnt have to use instruments of that era to create the "mood" > demanded by the situation. Surely no MD in his right mind today would > go back and use technology of 1857 to come up with a score for the movie!! When the director of Gandhi made efforts to get a steam driven engine and paid all expenses to roll it on the rails, then the sounds of that era was needed to go with that train. You can't show a steam engine of 1918 having the sounds and whistle of an electric engine. - Those who had seen bose, might have noticed that a song in the voice of K L Saigal played at one or two places in the beginning. It was "so jaa raajkumaarii so jaa". That was a 1940-1941 movie/ song. People expect to hear that type of sound in the realistic depiction of the Bose's life in 1941. That is why the director took pains to find out a song of that duration shown as being played on an antic radio. And, five minutes later comes the sounds of dhoomparani which is also a lorii lullaby song like the above one. A brilliant, lovely song, but it was a 2005 sound, not 1941's. So, ARR's brilliance is becoming like a steam engine giving electic whistle. It is out of place. > Quite contrary to that ARR used more hi-tech effects in Rising. And it > is because of his genius that he can do that and still bring about the > emotions demanded by the director. It could consider multitude of > factors such as culture, locality, era, and most importantly the > placement of the song in the storyline. I had already written that in Rising music, I feel that ARR has given maximum "old" feel compared to all "period" sounds of ARR. Khayyam's umrao Jaan is also set in the duration of 1857. In fact there are references of the mutiny and britishers annexing Avadh where the film was based. Khayyaam also used latest things of 1981, but he took care to give a feel of those times, like ARR took care to give the feel of old times in the Rising. However, ARR's most of the period albums fail on this count. They did not have the feel of "older" times. You could not have taken Umrao Jaan song and fitted them in Kabhii Kabhii. But you could have taken zubaidaa songs and fitted them in Pukar, or in Lakeer which were contemporary movies. You could have taken "hum hain is pal yahaa.N" and put it in K3G or Kal ho na ho. > I stopped listening to critics long time ago - I listen to ARR. > > If people can not admit the brilliance of Rahman, it is only because > they can not understand it! I totally differ with that. Just six years ago, people loved ARR's Taal and Dil Se like no other album was loved ever before. Just four years ago, people loved ARR's Lagaan and showered him with praises and awards. I mean: People are always ready to like ARR's music. That means: people could understand ARR's music then. So, how come the same people are not giving much weightage to ARR's recent releases? Is there a sudden conspiracy against ARR. My answer is "NO". There is no consiracy. ARR seems to have not been coming with the music that people will love like Taal, Dil Se and Lagaan. It does not mean that ARR had compromised in these three films. Thus, ARR need not compromise in his future films. he can still come up with his unique music that enthralls people. - You must have been loving to listen to the critics in the days of Taal and Lagaan. :) Don't say "no". But you have stopped listening to critics only after critics started writing unpleasant things about ARR's music. > > Either way, its their loss, not ours :) The loss might be of such people, but sooner than later, it will start reflecting in returns on ARR's films. If masses do not like ARR's music, producers/ directors will stop engaging him as MD in their films, and we will not get any ARR music to listen to. > > -S -- Rawat This August, Discover the Birth of Your Independence and The Magic of A.R.Rahman's Music in Mangal Pandey - The Rising http://www.risingthefilm.com http://www.mangalpandeythefilm.com Music released: Jul 14, 2005 Movie releases: Aug 12, 2005 Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[arr] Re: I am sick of "the music could have been better" comments
Rawat, If anyone knows slightest bit of history about Mangal Pandey he would know the situation and plot to be expected. Okay, so by listening to Rising you can't validate whether it is entirely appropriate. Then you might want to revisit Bose, bhagat singh, laagan etc. He doesnt have to use instruments of that era to create the "mood" demanded by the situation. Surely no MD in his right mind today would go back and use technology of 1857 to come up with a score for the movie!! Quite contrary to that ARR used more hi-tech effects in Rising. And it is because of his genius that he can do that and still bring about the emotions demanded by the director. It could consider multitude of factors such as culture, locality, era, and most importantly the placement of the song in the storyline. I stopped listening to critics long time ago - I listen to ARR. If people can not admit the brilliance of Rahman, it is only because they can not understand it! Either way, its their loss, not ours :) -S --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/20/05 7:37 PM India Time, _Ajit_ wrote: > > > Here's my two cents for today. > > > > What do people expect from Rahman? To save the earth? Re-align the > > planets? End hunger? Each and every time that Rahman comes out with > > a brilliant masterpiece, I hear comments like "not up to Rahman's > > standards" or "Rahman not at his best" or "Rahman could have done > > better". How lame and stupid. Our boss is a genius with respect to > > his versatility and range of compositions, depth of arrangemens and > > melody, rich use of sound, and very importantly, fitting the music > > well to the situations of the movie which demand these types of > > songs. The songs of the Rising are appropriate for the type of movie > > and situations in the movie. > > The question is: How do you know whether "they are > appropriate for the type of movie and situations" or not? > > Have you seen Mangal Pandey? > > Do you have some inside information about the movie? > > If not, then you are talking about faith. > > > Could any other MD have done a better > > job? > > are you approving of "andho.n me.n kaanaa raajaa" theory? > > Are you saying that Rahman is least bad among all MD? > > > Think hard about that. With Mangal Pandey, what are these > > critics expecting? A modern day Chaiya Chaiya? Love songs from > > Taal? When people write reviews, don't they even consider the type > > of film, period, and story of the film when reviewing the music? > > I think it is Rahman's doing if people do not consider above > factors. > > A period movie should have music which creates the > environment of that period. That means that the songs should > use only those instrumnents which were available in that > era, and should have lyrics having words/ language used in > that era. > > ARR's earlier period movies all had non-period music. He > always used latest instruments and never was particular > about lyrics. Kisna was 1947-ish, but hum hain is pal yahaan > had nothing 1947-ish feel. it could have been as well a song > set in 2006. > > Even in Rising, the tunes are totally different from most of > earlier works, thus some semblance of "period" has come to > it. But did he use only 1857's instruments in it, did he got > the lyrics written with 1857's language? > > If no, then why accuse criticis/ fans when they discount the > "period-ness" of ARR's music. > > > > > I feel that the music will be vastly more appreciated once the film > > releases, but nothing excuses such lame and overdone comments as the > > ones above. I am tired of it. > > ise chaahiye hamdard kaa sinkaaraa. > > > Give Rahman the credit he deserves. > > HE works hard. His craftmanship is mindblowing. His melodies are > > haunting. His knowledge of Indian classical music is astounding. > > > > Is he beyond criticism? Of course not. I have no problems with > > people criticizing his songs based on valid reasons. But, such > > comments above are simply ridiculous and untrue. > > Whatever reasons anyone can give, will be valid only for the > poster. > > -- > Rawat This August, Discover the Birth of Your Independence and The Magic of A.R.Rahman's Music in Mangal Pandey - The Rising http://www.risingthefilm.com http://www.mangalpandeythefilm.com Music released: Jul 14, 2005 Movie releases: Aug 12, 2005 Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com
[arr] Re: I am sick of "the music could have been better" comments
Right said Ajith. Ur words reflects my thoughts. Our Boss is the Ultimate. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Ajit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's my two cents for today. > > What do people expect from Rahman? To save the earth? Re-align the > planets? End hunger? Each and every time that Rahman comes out with > a brilliant masterpiece, I hear comments like "not up to Rahman's > standards" or "Rahman not at his best" or "Rahman could have done > better". How lame and stupid. Our boss is a genius with respect to > his versatility and range of compositions, depth of arrangemens and > melody, rich use of sound, and very importantly, fitting the music > well to the situations of the movie which demand these types of > songs. The songs of the Rising are appropriate for the type of movie > and situations in the movie. Could any other MD have done a better > job? Think hard about that. With Mangal Pandey, what are these > critics expecting? A modern day Chaiya Chaiya? Love songs from > Taal? When people write reviews, don't they even consider the type > of film, period, and story of the film when reviewing the music? > > I feel that the music will be vastly more appreciated once the film > releases, but nothing excuses such lame and overdone comments as the > ones above. I am tired of it. Give Rahman the credit he deserves. > HE works hard. His craftmanship is mindblowing. His melodies are > haunting. His knowledge of Indian classical music is astounding. > > Is he beyond criticism? Of course not. I have no problems with > people criticizing his songs based on valid reasons. But, such > comments above are simply ridiculous and untrue. > > Enjoy Mangal Pandey for the brilliant soundtrack it is. Don't judge > it based on what you expected it to be, wanted it to be, and what > critics think it should be. I wish I could congratulate Rahman > himself and it seems that those who know him well on this forum are > not willing to pass on my heartfelt messages for him through email > that I have posted mnay times here. It's not like I'm asking for his > phone number or address. > > Anyway, enjoy the music of Mangal Pandey. Another beautiful > soundtrack to add to his many. This August, Discover the Birth of Your Independence and The Magic of A.R.Rahman's Music in Mangal Pandey - The Rising http://www.risingthefilm.com http://www.mangalpandeythefilm.com Music released: Jul 14, 2005 Movie releases: Aug 12, 2005 Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
