[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation - Oh God!!
I keep wondering wen this will stop!!! People comparing 2 completely different albums as to which is best GURU Unnale unnale are faaar apart in every aspect - their flavor, language, story, director, MD and most important - Their PERIOD. A world class Music director wont compromise on quality (as quoted by some) without reason. ARR always gives a lot more than wat Mani and the audience expect from him in their combos and according to me he has done that in GURU too U cant expect computerised tones and loops to play in a story depicting the 70s do u??? Jeeva's films on the other hand demand freshness and youth in the music and Harris has provided it too... On the whole there is nothin similar between these 2 albums... So please stop saying that our Boss is 2nd to anyone in terms of quality or tone or freshness or anything for that matter The real fact is that ARR has matured a lot more than any other music composer and he is the only one who can do wonders in any kind of film - be it a period, offbeat, love story, commercial, etc, etc I cant stop wondering why we fans ourselves doubt our BOSS wen professionals in the field themselves admit that ARR is the best in mixing and BALANCING Frequencies... I am sure every song in GURU will fit in neatly with the movie... Wait watch folks With Luv, A.Dhinesh On 12/20/06, up84mouli [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Hi Fans, I dont know what is the number of this explanation, but anyway - thought I will also do my bit here... When you consider seriously, there may be some possibilities as I have listed them below. 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. 2. Rahman probably hires those equipments as a cost-cut measure and Mani is an MBA. So, they might have calculated a lot of things about what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... 3. Guru involves a period element in its story. That is why they didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning why there was a song like Baazi Lagaa in the first place, but why it DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking about... 4. I will now return to the old classical arguement and mention ONLY ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not restricted to Guru. Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some manipulations and improvisations here and there... Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. Please reply to the following: Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale Unnaale. So that... a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. b. We can try to respond quantitatively to the message... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups. com, Alan Hadle .H arsaregama@ ... wrote: here goes my explanation. . frd unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu pirantharey. . quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for free lol music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. signs alanhadley --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans% 40yahoogroups. com, yeshrao81 yeshrao81@ wrote: Hi, I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great melodies he will
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - My EXPLANATION on Sound Quality
Maybe ARR is just using less compression on his tracks? This is actually better, since we get a fuller dynamic range. In the US a lot of pop and rock albums are compressed to death, which gives a higher average volume but they have poor dynamic range. The mastering on ARR's albums is fine, no need to change it. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pradeepan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I read the threads about ARR Sound quality not being Good Enough comparitively. let me tell what I feel. I also feel other MD's Sounds are more SHRILL. So at the same Sound level, their Songs sound Shrill and clearer. But I feel if you go for Higher Volumes, A.R.Rahman songs bring out the deeper Sounds in his Music. Please try listening in Windows Media Player with the WOW Effects ON. then you will see the difference. I am not sure myself. But definitely I agree that other MD;s sounds are more SHRILLER. But coming to think of it, can't ARR know about this ! surely he knows what he is doing.. maybe it will help if soomeone asks about this in an interview or something.. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dinesh dinesh_scaran@ wrote: hmm guys...a good topic of discussion...to tell u the truth,this has been missing in ARR's quality ever since 2002 not sure y,but yea,quality wise,some of his audio,lacks that diamond clearness that his songs used to have in the 90s. when i just pick a song from his 90s albumWHOA...a huge difference in clearness wise its just based on a 2.1 channel audio system... and comparing it to Hj's Unnale just my request,plz do not compare anything that is ARR with HJ i just listened to the Unnale Unnale songs , sounds very monotonous though and the instrumetns beats r just so boring,except Mudhal Naal,which seem to be inspired from Boss's Rubaroo, and Vaigasi Nilave is the only good once in the album the clearness quality too somehow lacks,but yea...its somehow CLEARER than some of ARR's album hope ARR will look into this matter. the final verdict would be his 90s album sounded more clearer compared to now...no?!
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation #??
Hi Fans, I dont know what is the number of this explanation, but anyway - thought I will also do my bit here... When you consider seriously, there may be some possibilities as I have listed them below. 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. 2. Rahman probably hires those equipments as a cost-cut measure and Mani is an MBA. So, they might have calculated a lot of things about what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... 3. Guru involves a period element in its story. That is why they didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning why there was a song like Baazi Lagaa in the first place, but why it DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking about... 4. I will now return to the old classical arguement and mention ONLY ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not restricted to Guru. Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some manipulations and improvisations here and there... Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. Please reply to the following: Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale Unnaale. So that... a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. b. We can try to respond quantitatively to the message... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Alan Hadle .H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here goes my explanation.. frd unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu pirantharey.. quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for free lol music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. signs alanhadley --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, yeshrao81 yeshrao81@ wrote: Hi, I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness in his recordings... ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few instruments...like he did in 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has not even done anything like this so far! The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda Thiruda. But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. Is H sridhar still doing the sound engineering for ARR? Thanks, Yeshwanth --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, arunsoft2k arunsoft2k@ wrote: I kinda felt the same with the sound quality.But following quality of Harris make me feel He is far far far away from ARR in any other aspects Tunes.dont you feel its immature sometimesome of them sounds good though supported by the quality of sound. Lady singers choice sucks big time for most of the songs. He is trying false voice but dude he's spoiling the song in most cases. I think he's inspiring most of the western music and also I feel
Re: [arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - my explanation #??
the person has actually exaggerated HJ..It is very difficult for anyone to accept his statement we wont lose even a single sound..whoever be the music director there are certain sounds which will come to our notice only by paying utmost attention..and only through speakers Also ARRs songs will remain in one's memory forever..that is repeated hearing is possible but in case of harris once the movie time and the period id over..it is boring..that is where ARR stands out among all other musicians. On 12/20/06, up84mouli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fans, I dont know what is the number of this explanation, but anyway - thought I will also do my bit here... When you consider seriously, there may be some possibilities as I have listed them below. 1. Guru might not have needed that kind of sound. Mani was probably given some samples and it might well be HE who decided it. 2. Rahman probably hires those equipments as a cost-cut measure and Mani is an MBA. So, they might have calculated a lot of things about what is important rather than going with THE BEST always... 3. Guru involves a period element in its story. That is why they didn't use ultra-modern lyrics and so did away with the ultra-sfx sound stuff and went with something that is warm and original, reminding us to some extent the (g)olden times. That is my reasoning why there was a song like Baazi Lagaa in the first place, but why it DIDNT sound at least like the rest is something I myself am thinking about... 4. I will now return to the old classical arguement and mention ONLY ONE point that suit this writing IN GENERAL - including, but not restricted to Guru. Rahman uses more LIVE instruments and wants them to sound just like that (WHHIWWH (What he hears is what WE hear)) - of course with some manipulations and improvisations here and there... Finally, I DONT get a feeling something has gone wrong. Please reply to the following: Mention some ARR songs which sounded EXACTLY like HR's Unnaale Unnaale. So that... a. We can understand what you (the person who started it and those who support it) are trying to refer exactly as the difference. b. We can try to respond quantitatively to the message... Thanks for reading. Chandra. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Alan Hadle .H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here goes my explanation.. frd unnale unnale is a ameatur album in my view.. he starts off with the strings u think u are upto a rock song but suddenly he brings in pop beats..finally makes up a song that is loud but not clear..harris in my point is recycling old christian songs.u would have noticed that the song paartha mudhal naale is an abrupt copy of the song yesu pirantharey.. quality and even in ur terms loudness wise rahman is not in the comparable distance.. hear meenaxi.. hear lakeer,tehzeeb u will feel the difference.. of course tamil has a lot of classics ..have u heard love birds of rahman except malaragale i would call it an album similar to harris.. it was popular at tht time but today no one listens to it like they listen to roja ,alaipayuthe kandukondain etc.. harris albums r all the ame like love birds.. sillenu oru kadhal had different sounds thats wht a rahman album is all about.. u get set to the sounds after repetitive hearing.. i dunt know what ur musical taste is but ppl like me would wait for new sounds in every rahman album.. guru is a classic don't compare it with unnale unnale..its like comparing pudhiya mugam and minnale.. rahman isnt missing anything.. in fact he is giving more loops to harris for free lol music is all abt hearing new sounds in different combo's so cheer up.. signs alanhadley --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, yeshrao81 yeshrao81@ wrote: Hi, I just feel ARR is using too many instruments and layers these days...and that makes overall song a bit unclear. If he just uses basic bass guitar, piano and drums and great melodieshe will sound a lot more like his 90s.. Anyways...as for HJ...I think there is nothing else other loudness in his recordings... ARR is trying somehing newbut I would suggest he uses very few instruments...like he did in 1. Oh vennilla (kadhal desam) 2. Thendrale (kadhal desam) 3. Kollaiyile (kadhalan) 4. Minnale nee vandhu (may madham) 5. tHEN kilakku cheemaiyile(kILAKKU Cheemaiyile) 6. Thamila Thamila (Roja) 7. Rasathi (Thiruda Thiruda) 8. Vellai Pookal (KM) 9. En mel vizhundha malai thuili (May madham) 10. Nila Kaigiradhu (Indira) These numbers had best melody and magical bass and guitars...HJ has not even done anything like this so far! The best sound is not necessarily loud onesbut also brings in each instrument to the listener very clearlyexample is Thiruda Thiruda. But I should say...swades, bose, had great sound recording. Is H sridhar still doing the sound engineering for ARR? Thanks,
[arr] Re: Whats missing in ARR - My EXPLANATION on Sound Quality
Hi Guys, I read the threads about ARR Sound quality not being Good Enough comparitively. let me tell what I feel. I also feel other MD's Sounds are more SHRILL. So at the same Sound level, their Songs sound Shrill and clearer. But I feel if you go for Higher Volumes, A.R.Rahman songs bring out the deeper Sounds in his Music. Please try listening in Windows Media Player with the WOW Effects ON. then you will see the difference. I am not sure myself. But definitely I agree that other MD;s sounds are more SHRILLER. But coming to think of it, can't ARR know about this ! surely he knows what he is doing.. maybe it will help if soomeone asks about this in an interview or something.. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dinesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm guys...a good topic of discussion...to tell u the truth,this has been missing in ARR's quality ever since 2002 not sure y,but yea,quality wise,some of his audio,lacks that diamond clearness that his songs used to have in the 90s. when i just pick a song from his 90s albumWHOA...a huge difference in clearness wise its just based on a 2.1 channel audio system... and comparing it to Hj's Unnale just my request,plz do not compare anything that is ARR with HJ i just listened to the Unnale Unnale songs , sounds very monotonous though and the instrumetns beats r just so boring,except Mudhal Naal,which seem to be inspired from Boss's Rubaroo, and Vaigasi Nilave is the only good once in the album the clearness quality too somehow lacks,but yea...its somehow CLEARER than some of ARR's album hope ARR will look into this matter. the final verdict would be his 90s album sounded more clearer compared to now...no?!
