Re: [arr] Tamil Guru does not have the real feel

2007-01-14 Thread Shwetha Signs
Hey guys ! for all your regrets just go and read a member by name Ajay Goels 
fitting replies to the Rediff's review and his many views for other members who 
plays down in the column write message, below that rediff review. He had given 
many views then & there in the same column in alternate ways. Ajay's one of the 
big post even hidden as reported abuse when he displayed his facts. I support 
his views when I read a rediff member's one-liner which was hidden says Mumbai 
has all coolie's from South. I feel media has a greater responsibility to 
integrate nation in the name of fair unbiased expression. Such people & public 
become part of many villains in our country who wants to divide nation with 
ill-expression over other communities. In this progressive world based on 
education and technology India lags behind because of such narrow minded 
approach and non-acceptance of others successes broadmindedly. Hope rahman fans 
will put their efforts by publishing their positive views
 in such columns in various websites where they find misguiding reviews and 
views. 
   
  Regards Shwetha
  

Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   
  rediff has a bunch of pretentious reviewers and reporters. I had once
posted about it when Guru's music was released. that raja sen is a
pseudo intellect. the only thing he will rate high would be if it has
any resemblance to any movie he might have seen on DVD, otherwise all
others are just bad. thats his view. 

and a common motto of rediff is that they will never say good about
anyone who is famous, successful. take for example AR Rahman. Raja
sen once unnecessarily dragged his name in a bad way while he was
talking about Omkara's music. Same goes when they reviewed Guru's
music. same they did when RDB released. but despite of all these,
they all became classics. 

it could be because rediff is not getting enough interviews from AR
Rahman, Maniratnam or aishwarya rai ( oh yeah.. they hate her too,
this same guy, raja sen reviewed her Website!!!) or may be just
because they don't like them.

--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "yeshrao81" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Friends,
> One thing Im upset about is the Rediff's attitude in reviewing great 
> movies like Guru. They are so critical that they end up pulling down 
> great movies. They do not get into the intensity with which film or 
> music or cinematography is done...but just talk badly about 
> them...remember Guru music review!!
> Why does this guy not understand that Guru is just dubbed in Tamil to 
> make tamil audience understand the dialogue and not completely think 
> of it as a Tamil film
> Even the Hindi review of Guru in rediff was confusing...If this 
> reviewer cannot write a review with clarity why is he commenting on 
> great filmmakers like Maniratnam
> I think its time that we start appreciating great efforts and give 
> them due credit. 
> 
> 
> --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gopal Srinivasan  
> wrote:
> >
> > Tamil Guru does not have the real feel
> > Sriram Iyer
> > 
> > 
> > When Yuva was being made into a bilingual movie, the general 
> feeling was that Mani Ratnam had
> > learnt from his failure in Uyire.
> > 
> > But these impressions have dispelled now that Guru has been dubbed 
> and released in Tamil.
> > 
> > Watch Guru for the actors
> > 
> > Having to see Abhishek Bachchan and a whole lot of other actors 
> speaking Tamil while their lips
> > move differently is quite a strain to begin with. Moreover, the 
> story is supposed to be set
> > somewhere in Thirunelveli in southern Tamil Nadu whereas the 
> costumes and the set up resembles
> > western India from where the original Hindi version is based.
> > 
> > This hitch remains alive throughout the movie, successfully 
> depriving the viewer of the real
> > feel.
> > 
> > This time around Mani narrates the story of Guru Nath Desikan 
> (Abhishek Bachchan), a resolute
> > boy from a small village who goes on to become one of the premier 
> industrialists of the
> > country. The journey is characterised by hard work, determination, 
> passion, grit and quite a
> > bit of the gray.
> > 
> > 'Entertainment is not a bad word'
> > 
> > Neither his poor family background nor his deterrent father could 
> stop him from going to Turkey
> > where he delivers petrol cans. But soon his intense over-ambitious 
> materialistic urge forces
> > him to quit the job and return to India to start his own business-
> venture, the only barrier
> > being the lack of finance.
> > 
> > His decision to marry Sujatha (Aishwarya Rai), his best friend's 
> sister, only to get the dowry
> > which he could use as his capital gives the viewer a clear idea of 
> the character very early in
> > the movie. The occasional downhill ride does not bother the 
> extremely motivated profiteer,
> > Guru.
> > 
> > Straight from the Guru's mouth
> > 
> > However, as he runs faster, he kicks up dust. Bribes and scandals 
> became the backdrop to his
> > meteoric

[arr] Tamil Guru does not have the real feel

2007-01-13 Thread Gopal Srinivasan
Tamil Guru does not have the real feel
Sriram Iyer


When Yuva was being made into a bilingual movie, the general feeling was that 
Mani Ratnam had
learnt from his failure in Uyire.

But these impressions have dispelled now that Guru has been dubbed and released 
in Tamil.

Watch Guru for the actors

Having to see Abhishek Bachchan and a whole lot of other actors speaking Tamil 
while their lips
move differently is quite a strain to begin with. Moreover, the story is 
supposed to be set
somewhere in Thirunelveli in southern Tamil Nadu whereas the costumes and the 
set up resembles
western India from where the original Hindi version is based.

This hitch remains alive throughout the movie, successfully depriving the 
viewer of the real
feel.

This time around Mani narrates the story of Guru Nath Desikan (Abhishek 
Bachchan), a resolute
boy from a small village who goes on to become one of the premier 
industrialists of the
country. The journey is characterised by hard work, determination, passion, 
grit and quite a
bit of the gray.

'Entertainment is not a bad word'

Neither his poor family background nor his deterrent father could stop him from 
going to Turkey
where he delivers petrol cans. But soon his intense over-ambitious 
materialistic urge forces
him to quit the job and return to India to start his own business-venture, the 
only barrier
being the lack of finance.

His decision to marry Sujatha (Aishwarya Rai), his best friend's sister, only 
to get the dowry
which he could use as his capital gives the viewer a clear idea of the 
character very early in
the movie. The occasional downhill ride does not bother the extremely motivated 
profiteer,
Guru.

Straight from the Guru's mouth

However, as he runs faster, he kicks up dust. Bribes and scandals became the 
backdrop to his
meteoric rise to glory. He isn't bothered but his near and dear ones do bother. 
The rift
between him and the righteous Nanaji (Mithun Chakraborty), Guru's mentor during 
his early days
in Mumbai and the editor of a newspaper, widens with every stage of development 
in Guru's life.

Along with Shyam (Madhavan), Nanaji constantly tries to expose the unjust ways 
of the seemingly
grand Guru.

The movie successfully brings out the several facets of the life of Guru. The 
realism in the
evolution of his relationships with people around him shows the distinguished 
touch of Mani
Ratnam.

Abhishek seems to like every bit of his streak in the gray that started with 
Yuva. While he
rules the show, the performance of the cast as a whole is heartening, 
especially those from
Mithunda and Madhavan. Aishwarya gets better in the second half where there is 
less of an
opportunity to flaunt her beauty.

Marvelling over Mallika

Vidya Balan and Manoj Joshi do quite well in their small roles. The effort put 
in the movie
becomes obvious in Abhishek's paunch that appeared and Madhavan's paunch, quite 
a bit of which
disappeared.

The Rajiv Menon-Mani Ratnam duo, that spelt its magic in Bombay, has worked 
again. With his
expertise over the Digital Intermediate grading technique, Rajiv has made the 
visuals look
exemplary. Art director Samir Chanda's contribution in giving the movie the 
period feel cannot
be understated.

The music of A.R.Rahman, though not one of his best albums, adds to the feel, 
except for the
odd abrupt song.

Suriya does a good job lending his voice to Abhishek, but the movie is too 
conspicuous a dub.

Showcasing Guru

The biggest drawback of the movie is the dubbing. It is quite difficult to 
digest the fact that
half the city of Mumbai speaks Tamil.

The director of a company conducts a whole annual general meeting, full of 
speeches that would
shame the president of America, in Tamil. In the climax, a whole judicial 
enquiry takes place,
which is then followed by a monologue, all in Tamil.

In addition to that, the movie doesn't focus much on the rise of the 
industrialist itself, as
much as on what followed the rise. In fact one might even say that the 
character of Guru is
little too black to be termed gray.

The limit seems to be lost in the concluding reel, when there is an attempt to 
portray the
highly motivated capitalist as a patriotic and messiah and his selfish and 
illegal profiteering
as something very insignificant.

Trying to compare unlawful business tactics to that of Gandhi's rejection for 
colonial rule and
its law was simply outrageous. For his class, Mani Ratnam could have done 
without such
idolising. Given the subject dealt with, that is not expected to strike a chord 
with the
masses, the dubbing in Tamil wasn't completely necessary.

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