Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
agree with u. when i heard ishq ada for the first time, i instantly thought of ARR!! On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Pradeepan R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *based on the above, there seems to be some overarching summation to be > made about modern-day composers, doesn't it? — but the only conclusion is > that compositional styles overlap a lot more than they used to. > > *I Don't agree with that.. I can anyday recognize a ARR song without being > told abt it.. > Even if there are some songs where the composition makes it appear as if > styles are overlapping, > ARR comes out time & again with his trade-mark compositions - which is > refreshing & completely Rahmanish. > Recent Example: Ishq Ada Hai - Male version: *Nobody else could compose > something like that.* > > > On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> *A ditty to make aditi smile* >> Saturday May 31 2008 17:57 IST >> >> *Baradwaj Rangan* >> >> As if to prove his detractors wrong, as if to silence those criticisms >> that his music cannot be got until you listen to it over and over — like >> imposition, filling that blackboard in your mind with grimly repeated >> resolves of "The next time around, I will like this song better" — A R >> Rahman has composed... Wait, that's not the word, for 'composed' gives the >> impression of a certain rigidity of structure, of a schema, of following a >> premeditated thought to its predetermined conclusion, whereas the instantly >> fall-in-lovable Kabhi kabhi Aditi (from Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na) sounds like >> Rahman did nothing more than cup his ear to the chest of a college-goer in >> love and translate those heartbeats into notes. >> >> After a succession of stately, senior-citizen scores, how delightful it is >> to see Rahman strutting about in jeans again, an iPod stuffed in the back >> pocket. When I heard that this notoriously non-prolific composer had two >> soundtracks due to hit stores at the same time — and after a quick glance >> westwards to assure myself that the sun wasn't about to rise there — I >> thought, this week, I'd record my thoughts about Ada and Jaane Tu Ya Jaane >> Na in this column. But that's not going to be possible, because the endless >> listens to Kabhi kabhi Aditi have left me with barely any time to get to the >> other tracks. >> >> How do I love this song? Let me count the ways. I love the way the rhythm >> kicks in like an afterthought, well into the second line, changing — in an >> instant — the texture of the number that you thought was going to be >> coloured primarily by whiny pickings on an acoustic guitar. I love the >> gradual buildup and explosion in the stanzas, as the >> everything's-gonna-be-okay shrug from earlier is fleshed out into doggerel >> universalities — that the bleakness of night will once again give way to the >> light of day, that the flowers will bloom once more. (The actor-playwright >> Noël Coward once expressed his astonishment at "how potent cheap music is." >> When you're a certain age, I guess the same could be said of dime-store >> philosophising.) And I love the repeated pleas to Aditi to please, please, >> please get out of her blue funk and crack a smile: Hey Aditi, has de, has >> de, has de, has de, has de, has de tu zara / Nahin to bas thoda, thoda, >> thoda, thoda, thoda, thoda muskura. >> >> Yet, there was the nagging realisation as the song came to a close that >> had it been played for me in a guessing game and had I been asked to figure >> out the composer, I would have dithered between AR Rahman and >> Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy and Vishal-Shekhar. Does it appear to anyone else that >> the lines between the troika at the top are increasingly beginning to blur? >> When the compositional style is 'Indian,' I find I'm able to instantly pick >> out Khwaja mere Khwaja as a Rahman creation (no other composer can whip up >> such a spiritual fervour), or Goonji si hai as a number by >> Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy (their melody lines have the smoothest edges in the >> business). >> >> But it becomes murkier when we're talking pop-style compositions — like >> Kabhi kabhi Aditi, or Kahin to hogi (from the same album). If the composer's >> names were scratched out from the inlay cover of the Taare Zameen Par CD, >> would you settle on Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy as the brains behind Kholo kholo and >> Jame raho? Or, for that matter, even with Vishal-Shekhar's very >> Indian-sounding Main agar kahoon and Jag soona soona laage from Om Shanti >> Om, don't they make you think of Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy? And couldn't Rahman's >> Mayya mayya from Guru be seen as a furtive escapee from the Vishal-Shekhar >> camp? >> >> I wish I knew where I'm going with this — based on the above, there seems >> to be some overarching summation to be made about modern-day composers, >> doesn't it? — but the only conclusion (if it can even be called that) is >> that compositional styles overlap a lot more than they used to. >> >> I was listening, recently, to Dil saj
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
*based on the above, there seems to be some overarching summation to be made about modern-day composers, doesn't it? — but the only conclusion is that compositional styles overlap a lot more than they used to. *I Don't agree with that.. I can anyday recognize a ARR song without being told abt it.. Even if there are some songs where the composition makes it appear as if styles are overlapping, ARR comes out time & again with his trade-mark compositions - which is refreshing & completely Rahmanish. Recent Example: Ishq Ada Hai - Male version: *Nobody else could compose something like that.* On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *A ditty to make aditi smile* > Saturday May 31 2008 17:57 IST > > *Baradwaj Rangan* > > As if to prove his detractors wrong, as if to silence those criticisms that > his music cannot be got until you listen to it over and over — like > imposition, filling that blackboard in your mind with grimly repeated > resolves of "The next time around, I will like this song better" — A R > Rahman has composed... Wait, that's not the word, for 'composed' gives the > impression of a certain rigidity of structure, of a schema, of following a > premeditated thought to its predetermined conclusion, whereas the instantly > fall-in-lovable Kabhi kabhi Aditi (from Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na) sounds like > Rahman did nothing more than cup his ear to the chest of a college-goer in > love and translate those heartbeats into notes. > > After a succession of stately, senior-citizen scores, how delightful it is > to see Rahman strutting about in jeans again, an iPod stuffed in the back > pocket. When I heard that this notoriously non-prolific composer had two > soundtracks due to hit stores at the same time — and after a quick glance > westwards to assure myself that the sun wasn't about to rise there — I > thought, this week, I'd record my thoughts about Ada and Jaane Tu Ya Jaane > Na in this column. But that's not going to be possible, because the endless > listens to Kabhi kabhi Aditi have left me with barely any time to get to the > other tracks. > > How do I love this song? Let me count the ways. I love the way the rhythm > kicks in like an afterthought, well into the second line, changing — in an > instant — the texture of the number that you thought was going to be > coloured primarily by whiny pickings on an acoustic guitar. I love the > gradual buildup and explosion in the stanzas, as the > everything's-gonna-be-okay shrug from earlier is fleshed out into doggerel > universalities — that the bleakness of night will once again give way to the > light of day, that the flowers will bloom once more. (The actor-playwright > Noël Coward once expressed his astonishment at "how potent cheap music is." > When you're a certain age, I guess the same could be said of dime-store > philosophising.) And I love the repeated pleas to Aditi to please, please, > please get out of her blue funk and crack a smile: Hey Aditi, has de, has > de, has de, has de, has de, has de tu zara / Nahin to bas thoda, thoda, > thoda, thoda, thoda, thoda muskura. > > Yet, there was the nagging realisation as the song came to a close that had > it been played for me in a guessing game and had I been asked to figure out > the composer, I would have dithered between AR Rahman and Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy > and Vishal-Shekhar. Does it appear to anyone else that the lines between the > troika at the top are increasingly beginning to blur? When the compositional > style is 'Indian,' I find I'm able to instantly pick out Khwaja mere Khwaja > as a Rahman creation (no other composer can whip up such a spiritual > fervour), or Goonji si hai as a number by Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy (their melody > lines have the smoothest edges in the business). > > But it becomes murkier when we're talking pop-style compositions — like > Kabhi kabhi Aditi, or Kahin to hogi (from the same album). If the composer's > names were scratched out from the inlay cover of the Taare Zameen Par CD, > would you settle on Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy as the brains behind Kholo kholo and > Jame raho? Or, for that matter, even with Vishal-Shekhar's very > Indian-sounding Main agar kahoon and Jag soona soona laage from Om Shanti > Om, don't they make you think of Shankar-Ehsaan-Loy? And couldn't Rahman's > Mayya mayya from Guru be seen as a furtive escapee from the Vishal-Shekhar > camp? > > I wish I knew where I'm going with this — based on the above, there seems > to be some overarching summation to be made about modern-day composers, > doesn't it? — but the only conclusion (if it can even be called that) is > that compositional styles overlap a lot more than they used to. > > I was listening, recently, to Dil sajan jalta hai from Mukti, and even if I > hadn't already known the name of the composer, the stanzas would have left > me with little doubt. It's all a smooth rise-and-fall of melody, till we get > to the phrases shabnam ke girne se, early in the second stanz
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
Also maybe cuz Gulzar penned both bidi jalayale and mayya mayya. On 6/1/08, V S Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6/1/2008 9:23 AM India Time, _kishore parayath_ wrote: > > > Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community.. > > They are disgusting..shameless creatures Whereas the name > > Shankar-ehsaan-loy is very much deserving to be mentioned in this > > community...They are good, genuine and committed composers.. > > > > k. done. > > I liked 2-3 songs of Om Shanti Om but have not bothered to know much > about Vishal-Sekhar so I didn't even know that they have copied that music. > > SEL are indeed good in the new breed, but consistentcy and popularity is > not there with them. A R Rahman had become a household name for Hindi > music in some 3-4 years (Roza, Humse hai muqabla, Bombay, Rangeela), but > SEL is now in some 10th year and has given some 20 films and some are > indeed good, but if they has not become a household name, I think it is > because their rate of improvement and innovation are quite slow. They > should give more Dil Chahta hai stuff which has a soul soothing > freshness. And while we are at DCH, let me mention that though I don't > like Javed's lyrics much, still I smile everytime I listen to or > remember his line from the film "Ishq ke Ghaat jo utartey hain." What a > naughty line. Those who don't know, there is a hindi phrase, sort of > idiom, "Maut ke ghaat utarna", so he twisted a word and put "Ishq" at > the level of "maut" which migles so well in the love-is-stupidity > persona of Aamir in this film. He should give more such things compared > to the prose lectures he penned for Ye Taara, Wo Taara of Swades. > > -- > Still, when Mahendra Kapoor speaks about today's music being not good, > he is basically wrong because even the copycats are also ending up > giving hummable music because they copy from the music that was good and > popular in original so the copy also becomes good. e.g. Anu Malik ended > up giving good music in Gentleman stealing note by note from our man. > > -- > Rawat > > >
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
On 6/1/2008 9:23 AM India Time, _kishore parayath_ wrote: > Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community.. > They are disgusting..shameless creatures Whereas the name > Shankar-ehsaan-loy is very much deserving to be mentioned in this > community...They are good, genuine and committed composers.. > k. done. I liked 2-3 songs of Om Shanti Om but have not bothered to know much about Vishal-Sekhar so I didn't even know that they have copied that music. SEL are indeed good in the new breed, but consistentcy and popularity is not there with them. A R Rahman had become a household name for Hindi music in some 3-4 years (Roza, Humse hai muqabla, Bombay, Rangeela), but SEL is now in some 10th year and has given some 20 films and some are indeed good, but if they has not become a household name, I think it is because their rate of improvement and innovation are quite slow. They should give more Dil Chahta hai stuff which has a soul soothing freshness. And while we are at DCH, let me mention that though I don't like Javed's lyrics much, still I smile everytime I listen to or remember his line from the film "Ishq ke Ghaat jo utartey hain." What a naughty line. Those who don't know, there is a hindi phrase, sort of idiom, "Maut ke ghaat utarna", so he twisted a word and put "Ishq" at the level of "maut" which migles so well in the love-is-stupidity persona of Aamir in this film. He should give more such things compared to the prose lectures he penned for Ye Taara, Wo Taara of Swades. -- Still, when Mahendra Kapoor speaks about today's music being not good, he is basically wrong because even the copycats are also ending up giving hummable music because they copy from the music that was good and popular in original so the copy also becomes good. e.g. Anu Malik ended up giving good music in Gentleman stealing note by note from our man. -- Rawat
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
Please do not use such a language please. This will remain a "holy community" as long as you follow the first sentence. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:23 AM, kishore parayath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community.. > They are disgusting..shameless creatures Whereas the name > Shankar-ehsaan-loy is very much deserving to be mentioned in this > community...They are good, genuine and committed composers.. > >
Re:[arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
Dude ! do you know in a news recently ARR acknowledged Pritam, the most copying MD of all times. --- On Sun, 1/6/08, kishore parayath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: kishore parayath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 1 June, 2008, 9:23 AM Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community... ... They are disgusting.. shameless creatures... . Whereas the name Shankar-ehsaan- loy is very much deserving to be mentioned in this community... They are good, genuine and committed composers... ... Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it on http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/bestofyahoo/
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
I think your description of VS as "shameless and "disgusting creatures" is also shameless and disgusting. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "kishore parayath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community.. They > are disgusting..shameless creatures Whereas the name Shankar-ehsaan-loy > is very much deserving to be mentioned in this community...They are good, > genuine and committed composers.. >
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
Pls dont mention COPYCATS VISHAL-SEKHAR in this Holy Community.. They are disgusting..shameless creatures Whereas the name Shankar-ehsaan-loy is very much deserving to be mentioned in this community...They are good, genuine and committed composers..
Re: [arr] A ditty to make aditi smile
On 5/31/2008 9:23 PM India Time, _Vithur_ wrote: > *Baradwaj Rangan* > > As if to prove his detractors wrong, as if to silence those criticisms > that his music cannot be got until you listen to it over and over — like > imposition, filling that blackboard in your mind with grimly repeated > resolves of "The next time around, I will like this song better" — A R > Rahman has composed... beautifully summarised this transition in ARR. In the recent releases of our man, Mngal Pandey and JA were indeed the music that needed to "grew" to be liked, but others like Water, RDB and these two albums are perfectly likeable in the very first hearing. It will indeed have a great effect on ARR's following because, in today's fast world, music lovers need not undergo a 15-day exercise course to like ARR's music. -- Rawat Are you searching for a reason, to be kind? Explore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic. Only at arrahmanfans.com - The definitive A.R.Rahman e-community. Homepage: http://www.arrahmanfans.com Admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/arrahmanfans/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
