Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
This was discussed on the arslist before. Any "compiled code" - (not Java, Java is "compiled" to a "virtual machine" and that machine is implemented on a real machine - in native code, I might add.) - generates machine instructions. Things like Load Register, Load Address, Move, Jump etc. Machines are different with respect to their instruction set and register set etc. Notwithstanding hardware emulators, software must be "built" (with make etc) on a target platform and may have additional features to support that platform. A platform is a hardware architecture and an OS. A "build" is the process of compiling and linking the various source files into a binary object or executable. I am happy that Sun knows this. I am somewhat surprised that BMC does not. I suspect that some at BMC do know this. See http://en.wikipedia.org/instruction_set_architecture for an interesting discussion on a one-instruction machine. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Axton Sent: September 16, 2009 1:40 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? It will not work. Binary compatibility between sparc/intel platforms is not possible. Axton Grams On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Rabi Tripathi wrote: > Hi folks, > I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. > > I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or > just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. > (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) > > Anybody done either? > > ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: > "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." > > But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? > > Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i think they are. > > > > > __ > _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
It will not work. Binary compatibility between sparc/intel platforms is not possible. Axton Grams On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Rabi Tripathi wrote: > Hi folks, > I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I > have no Sun box readily available. > > I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use > Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. > (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) > > Anybody done either? > > ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: > "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." > > But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, > unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written > for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? > > Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I > am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i > think they are. > > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
To the best of my knowledge, the AR System executables created for Sun SPARC architecture will not work properly on a Solaris x86 nor Solaris x64 box. When we spoke with Sun Microsystems representatives on this topic a couple of years ago, that is what they stated to BMC - i.e. that complex binaries compiled on Solaris SPARC would need to be recompiled on Solaris x86 or x64 to operate correctly on the Solaris x86/x64 architecture. -David J. Easter Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Lyle Taylor Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:20 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? You're right - the analogy isn't perfect. The point was really just that the hardware platform is different and the binaries must be compiled for the platform they're running on. Maybe Linux running on Intel vs. Linux running on PowerPC would have been better. You are correct that the OS APIs provide a layer of abstraction _for the programmer_, but the programmer then compiles the abstracted program for a specific hardware architecture which is specific to the type of CPU the program is intended to run on. That's the case here. Agreed on the compatibility matrix. In this case, I just know that the two hardware platforms are not compatible, and can infer from that that the Sun hardware version of AR server will not be able to run on the Intel version of Solaris. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:02 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? However, if you want to Lyle, Ok, may be I was being too optimistic. However, if you want to use PC/Mac analogy, you should talk about Windows on Intel vs Windows on PowerPC, if such a thing ever existed. I know people ran windows stuff on Mac/PowerPC using emulation software, but that's not the same as using Windows on PowerPC, which would be the right analogy. OS at the core is an abstraction over the hardware, and is made up of APIs that shield or prevent the programmer from dealing with intimate details of the hardware. Or so I think. Most programs/programmers don't worry about how many registers of what kind, op code, what machine langauge, what BUS, what file system etc is underneath. When Sun "ports" Solaris to Intel, aren't they the ones that would make sure that machine code in executables somehow run ok on Intel boxes, through whatever means necessary? Or, I guess BMC is supposed to merely recompile everyting on Solaris/windows to get machine code for Itenl, and that's what's lacking. When the compatibility matrix says "not supported", it's misleading to me, as that term is often used to indicate that the only thing lacking is a thorough official testing. If it said "doesn't work", I wouldn't be typing this. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Lyle Taylor wrote: There's a big difference between Solaris running on Sun processors and Solaris running on Intel processors. It's kind of like the difference between PCs and the old Macintoshes (before they switched to using Intel processors). Basically, it's an entirely different hardware platform, and the binaries are compiled for the specific hardware platform they are intended to run on. Abstraction has nothing to do with it. Basically, if the AR server was compiled for Sun processors, it simply will not run on Intel processors. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? Hi folks, I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) Anybody done either? ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." But, is not the same as saying
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
You're right - the analogy isn't perfect. The point was really just that the hardware platform is different and the binaries must be compiled for the platform they're running on. Maybe Linux running on Intel vs. Linux running on PowerPC would have been better. You are correct that the OS APIs provide a layer of abstraction _for the programmer_, but the programmer then compiles the abstracted program for a specific hardware architecture which is specific to the type of CPU the program is intended to run on. That's the case here. Agreed on the compatibility matrix. In this case, I just know that the two hardware platforms are not compatible, and can infer from that that the Sun hardware version of AR server will not be able to run on the Intel version of Solaris. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:02 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? However, if you want to Lyle, Ok, may be I was being too optimistic. However, if you want to use PC/Mac analogy, you should talk about Windows on Intel vs Windows on PowerPC, if such a thing ever existed. I know people ran windows stuff on Mac/PowerPC using emulation software, but that's not the same as using Windows on PowerPC, which would be the right analogy. OS at the core is an abstraction over the hardware, and is made up of APIs that shield or prevent the programmer from dealing with intimate details of the hardware. Or so I think. Most programs/programmers don't worry about how many registers of what kind, op code, what machine langauge, what BUS, what file system etc is underneath. When Sun "ports" Solaris to Intel, aren't they the ones that would make sure that machine code in executables somehow run ok on Intel boxes, through whatever means necessary? Or, I guess BMC is supposed to merely recompile everyting on Solaris/windows to get machine code for Itenl, and that's what's lacking. When the compatibility matrix says "not supported", it's misleading to me, as that term is often used to indicate that the only thing lacking is a thorough official testing. If it said "doesn't work", I wouldn't be typing this. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Lyle Taylor wrote: There's a big difference between Solaris running on Sun processors and Solaris running on Intel processors. It's kind of like the difference between PCs and the old Macintoshes (before they switched to using Intel processors). Basically, it's an entirely different hardware platform, and the binaries are compiled for the specific hardware platform they are intended to run on. Abstraction has nothing to do with it. Basically, if the AR server was compiled for Sun processors, it simply will not run on Intel processors. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? Hi folks, I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) Anybody done either? ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i think they are. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.ne
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
However, if you want to Lyle, Ok, may be I was being too optimistic. However, if you want to use PC/Mac analogy, you should talk about Windows on Intel vs Windows on PowerPC, if such a thing ever existed. I know people ran windows stuff on Mac/PowerPC using emulation software, but that's not the same as using Windows on PowerPC, which would be the right analogy. OS at the core is an abstraction over the hardware, and is made up of APIs that shield or prevent the programmer from dealing with intimate details of the hardware. Or so I think. Most programs/programmers don't worry about how many registers of what kind, op code, what machine langauge, what BUS, what file system etc is underneath. When Sun "ports" Solaris to Intel, aren't they the ones that would make sure that machine code in executables somehow run ok on Intel boxes, through whatever means necessary? Or, I guess BMC is supposed to merely recompile everyting on Solaris/windows to get machine code for Itenl, and that's what's lacking. When the compatibility matrix says "not supported", it's misleading to me, as that term is often used to indicate that the only thing lacking is a thorough official testing. If it said "doesn't work", I wouldn't be typing this. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Lyle Taylor wrote: There's a big difference between Solaris running on Sun processors and Solaris running on Intel processors. It's kind of like the difference between PCs and the old Macintoshes (before they switched to using Intel processors). Basically, it's an entirely different hardware platform, and the binaries are compiled for the specific hardware platform they are intended to run on. Abstraction has nothing to do with it. Basically, if the AR server was compiled for Sun processors, it simply will not run on Intel processors. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? Hi folks, I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) Anybody done either? ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i think they are. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
Correct, you would need ARS for Solaris X86 Server. not ARS for Solaris for Sunos.. Which is what is currently availible. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Lyle Taylor wrote: > There's a big difference between Solaris running on Sun processors and > Solaris running on Intel processors. It's kind of like the difference > between PCs and the old Macintoshes (before they switched to using Intel > processors). Basically, it's an entirely different hardware platform, and > the binaries are compiled for the specific hardware platform they are > intended to run on. Abstraction has nothing to do with it. Basically, if > the AR server was compiled for Sun processors, it simply will not run on > Intel processors. > > Lyle > > -Original Message- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:56 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for > Intel? > > Hi folks, > I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. > I have no Sun box readily available. > > I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just > use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. ( > http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) > > Anybody done either? > > ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: > "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." > > But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my > chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like > ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to > abstraction? > > Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I > am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i > think they are. > > > > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum > Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.netARSlist: > "Where the Answers Are" > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and > destroy all copies of the original message. > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum > Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.netARSlist: > "Where the Answers Are" > -- Patrick Zandi ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
There's a big difference between Solaris running on Sun processors and Solaris running on Intel processors. It's kind of like the difference between PCs and the old Macintoshes (before they switched to using Intel processors). Basically, it's an entirely different hardware platform, and the binaries are compiled for the specific hardware platform they are intended to run on. Abstraction has nothing to do with it. Basically, if the AR server was compiled for Sun processors, it simply will not run on Intel processors. Lyle -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Rabi Tripathi Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel? Hi folks, I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) Anybody done either? ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i think they are. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
ARS/ITSM 7.5 on Solaris/Intel box? On Sun's "Virtual Box" for Intel?
Hi folks, I need to create a ARS 7.5/ITSM setup to play with. Preferably on Solaris. I have no Sun box readily available. I'm thinking of either using a dedicated Intel box with Solaris, or just use Sun's "Virtual box" on my existing Windows PC. (http://dlc.sun.com/virtualbox/vboxdownload.html) Anybody done either? ARS 7.5 compatibility matrix has bad news: "Solaris running on x86 or x64 processors is not supported." But, is not the same as saying it will notwork, so I want to take my chances, unless somebody tells me...forget it. I'm not sure if code like ARS' written for Solaris is hardware dependent. Is it? What happened to abstraction? Searches I tried on arslist turned up nothing, so I have a feeling either I am wasting my time with this idea, or my search skills are not as good as i think they are. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
