FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread Connally, Ken
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I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of questions.



Details:


The position is in San Francisco, CA.


There will be no travel/lodging
expenses paid.


The responsibilities will center
around operations and maintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically, were
looking for someone to keep things running smoothly.


This is not a project.
This is day-to-day operations type work.


Itll be approximately 6
months with potential for permanent employment.



If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and I will
forward it to the hiring manager.



Thanks everyone.



-Original Message-
From: Connally, Ken 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
Subject: Open Positions



Hello Listers,



We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our
daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version 5 shop
with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at a six month need,
with potential for a permanent stay. The position is in San Francisco, CA.
If you or anyone you know may be interested, please contact me.



Thanks everyone.






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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread tgaltamore
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Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get no benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while allowing you to bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have to pay unemployment expenses. Ok I got it- Original Message -From: "Connally, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pmSubject: FW: Open PositionsTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of  questions.   Details:  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.  * The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're  looking for someone to keep things running smoothly.  * This is not a "project". This is day-to-day operations type work.  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent employment.If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and  I will forward it to the hiring manager.Thanks everyone.-Original Message- From: Connally, Ken  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG' Subject: Open PositionsHello Listers,We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly  version 5 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at  a six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The position is  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested, please contact me.Thanks everyone.   ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org 
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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread Rick Cook
Yeah, it's not like we don't appreciate the posting, but there are some
jobs that are just more attractive than others.  Wanna bet they're
paying like $50/hr?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcharters
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:44 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions

HHAARSSSH, But true lol

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote
 Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get no 
 benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while allowing you to

 bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have to pay
 unemployment expenses.   Ok I got it
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Connally, Ken 
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm
 Subject: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 
  I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of 
  questions.
  
  
  Details:
  
  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.
  
  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.
  
  * The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance

  of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking for someone

  to keep things running smoothly.
  
  * This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type work.
  
  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent 
  employment.
  
  
  
  If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and I 
  will forward it to the hiring manager.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Connally, Ken
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
  To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
  Subject: Open Positions
  
  
  
  Hello Listers,
  
  
  
  We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our 
  daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version

  5 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at a 
  six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The position is

  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested, 
  please contact me.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  

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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread Carl Reenus

That's right, you speak for us all now, huh Rick?  Thanks!



From: Rick Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:10:18 -0700

Well, I hope he does post again - we have nothing against him just
because this job's parameters don't sound that great.  Maybe his next
one will be more to someone's liking, and he'll end up with a useful
hire out of it.  Heck, he may end up with one here, for all we know.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luebbe, Tom
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions

Um, how much you want to be that this person will probably not post on
the ARS list anymore???  I remember when NO jobs were posted, now we are
making fun of jobs that are posted???  Nice.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] FW: Open Positions

Yeah, it's not like we don't appreciate the posting, but there are some
jobs that are just more attractive than others.  Wanna bet they're
paying like $50/hr?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcharters
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:44 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions

HHAARSSSH, But true lol

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote
 Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get no
 benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while allowing you to

 bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have to pay
 unemployment expenses.   Ok I got it

 - Original Message -
 From: Connally, Ken
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm
 Subject: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

  I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of
  questions.
 
 
  Details:
 
  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.
 
  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.
 
  * The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance

  of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking for someone

  to keep things running smoothly.
 
  * This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type work.
 
  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent
  employment.
 
 
 
  If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and I
  will forward it to the hiring manager.
 
 
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Connally, Ken
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
  To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
  Subject: Open Positions
 
 
 
  Hello Listers,
 
 
 
  We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our
  daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version

  5 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at a
  six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The position is

  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested,
  please contact me.
 
 
 
  Thanks everyone.
 
 
 

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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread tgaltamore
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Moi?!? Harsh? Noo not at all. I was just cutting through the BS and Clarifying the terms of his offer. Me? Harsh? nah Birds sing and dance on my shoulder and bunnies hop around me as I walk. - Original Message -From: dcharters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:44 pmSubject: Re: FW: Open PositionsTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG HHAARSSSH, But true lol  On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote  Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get  no   benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while  allowing you   to bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have  to pay   unemployment expenses. Ok I got it- Original Message -  From: "Connally, Ken"   Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm  Subject: FW: Open Positions  To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot ofquestions. Details:  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.  * The responsibilities will center around operations and   maintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we'relooking for   someone to keep things running smoothly.  * This is not a "project". This is day-to-day operations type   work.  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent   employment.If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume  andI will   forward it to the hiring manager.Thanks everyone.-Original Message-   From: Connally, KenSent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM   To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'   Subject: Open PositionsHello Listers,We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist  with our   daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostlyversion 5   shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking  ata six   month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The  position isin San   Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested, please   contact me.Thanks everyone.  __ _   UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org   __ _  UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org   -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)  ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at http://www.wwrug.org 
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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread arslist
Perhaps this is not quite what it seems...

Maybe this fella is looking for a resource that is available for the
duration of the assignment, but with a flexible schedule which would make
this position more or less a second job sort of thing.

In other words, you go to your normal day job and then stop by this other
one for a few hours in the evening, or over lunch for meetings, that sort
of thing. This is a great option when you want to pick up a few extra
bucks for the holidays. Travel, lodging and benefits would not be required
if you're local and have them already on your regular job. If this is the
case, then the wording should be adjusted a little bit, but I don't see
anything is being overly out of place.

Then again, maybe this employer is looking for someone that could (and you
knew that this was coming, right?) work remotely. There is little that
cannot be done over a vpn connection vs. having a body in the office - and
there are fewer distractions. :-) I don't see any mention of this one way
or the other in the post - and I admit that it is a bit of a reach, but -
hey - it's a Monday.

Personally speaking, I'd like to see more postings about positions and/or
other types of work related to the AR System out there on the list. Not
everything has to be a regular job or a contracting position, and, picking
up a few bucks every so often on side work is not a bad thing, right?

(BTW - and this is way OT - if you're seeing just the email id of
'wduchene' come through on the post, it's not intentional and I apologize
for it. I have some glitches with the email server that I have been using
and for some reason it strips the name form the message. I almost ready to
call a techno-shaman to recite incantations and chase the evil glitch mice
form the server again.)


On Mon, August 21, 2006 15:44, tgaltamore wrote:
 Moi?!? Harsh?  Noo  not at all. I was just cutting through the BS and
 Clarifying the terms of his offer.  Me? Harsh? nah   Birds sing and
 dance on my shoulder and bunnies hop around me as I walk.

 - Original Message -
 From: dcharters
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:44 pm
 Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG


 HHAARSSSH, But true lol


 On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote

 Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get

 no
 benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while
 allowing you
 to bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have
 to pay
 unemployment expenses. Ok I got it

 - Original Message -
 From: Connally, Ken
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm
 Subject: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG


 I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of
 questions.


 Details:


 * The position is in San Francisco, CA.


 * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.


 * The responsibilities will center around operations and
 maintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking
 for someone to keep things running smoothly.

 * This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type
 work.

 * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent
 employment.



 If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume

 and
 I will
 forward it to the hiring manager.



 Thanks everyone.




 -Original Message-
 From: Connally, Ken
 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
 To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
 Subject: Open Positions




 Hello Listers,




 We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist

 with our
 daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version
 5
 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking
 at
 a six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The
 position is
 in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested,
 please contact me.



 Thanks everyone.




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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread McKenzie, James J C-E LCMC HQISEC/L3
Title: RE: FW: Open Positions
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Rick:


I would not touch that job with a 10' pole if that were true.


James Mckenzie 


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions


Yeah, it's not like we don't appreciate the posting, but there are some jobs that are just more attractive than others. Wanna bet they're paying like $50/hr?

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of dcharters
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:44 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions


HHAARSSSH, But true lol


On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote
 Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get no 
 benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while allowing you to


 bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have to pay
 unemployment expenses. Ok I got it
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Connally, Ken 
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm
 Subject: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 
  I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of 
  questions.
  
  
  Details:
  
  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.
  
  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.
  
  * The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance


  of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking for someone


  to keep things running smoothly.
  
  * This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type work.
  
  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent 
  employment.
  
  
  
  If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and I 
  will forward it to the hiring manager.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Connally, Ken
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
  To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
  Subject: Open Positions
  
  
  
  Hello Listers,
  
  
  
  We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our 
  daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version


  5 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at a 
  six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The position is


  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested, 
  please contact me.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  

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Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread tgaltamore
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It would be a splendid thing indeed, where did I miss reading that part? Nooope no in the details. But hey if its what you want for you, go for it. But it doesn't seem like he means anything other than what he has listed as DETAILS.

* The position is in San Francisco, CA.
* There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.* The responsibilities will center around operations andmaintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're lookingfor someone to keep things running smoothly.
* This is not a "project". This is day-to-day operations type work.

So you have to be at their office each day.
During business hours
I'm pretty sure they would have out-sourced it if it could be done VPN.
No mention of other perks ie. Daily floggings, All you can eat gruel buffet, etc.
But you make it sound intriguing so check it out and let me know. Count me in on the all you can eat gruel. : P



- Original Message -From: arslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 5:10 pmSubject: Re: FW: Open PositionsTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Perhaps this is not quite what it seems...  Maybe this fella is looking for a resource that is available for the duration of the assignment, but with a flexible schedule which  would make this position more or less a second job sort of thing.  In other words, you go to your normal day job and then stop by  this other one for a few hours in the evening, or over lunch for meetings,  that sort of thing. This is a great option when you want to pick up a few extra bucks for the holidays. Travel, lodging and benefits would not  be required if you're local and have them already on your regular job. If  this is the case, then the wording should be adjusted a little bit, but I  don't see anything is being overly out of place.  Then again, maybe this employer is looking for someone that  could (and you knew that this was coming, right?) work remotely. There is  little that cannot be done over a vpn connection vs. having a body in the  office - and there are fewer distractions. :-) I don't see any mention of  this one way or the other in the post - and I admit that it is a bit of a  reach, but - hey - it's a Monday.  Personally speaking, I'd like to see more postings about  positions and/or other types of work related to the AR System out there on the  list. Not everything has to be a regular job or a contracting position,  and, picking up a few bucks every so often on side work is not a bad thing, right?  (BTW - and this is way OT - if you're seeing just the email id of 'wduchene' come through on the post, it's not intentional and I  apologizefor it. I have some glitches with the email server that  I have been using and for some reason it strips the name form the message. I  almost ready to call a techno-shaman to recite incantations and chase the evil  glitch mice form the server again.)   On Mon, August 21, 2006 15:44, tgaltamore wrote:  Moi?!? Harsh? Noo not at all. I was just cutting through  the BS and  Clarifying the terms of his offer. Me? Harsh? nah Birds  sing and  dance on my shoulder and bunnies hop around me as I walk.   - Original Message -  From: dcharters  Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:44 pm  Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions  To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGHHAARSSSH, But true lolOn Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote   Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get   no  benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while  allowing you  to bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have  to pay  unemployment expenses. Ok I got it   - Original Message -  From: "Connally, Ken"  Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm  Subject: FW: Open Positions  To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGI'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of  questions.Details:* The position is in San Francisco, CA.* There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.* The responsibilities will center around operations and  maintenance of all of our ARS applications. Basically,  we're looking  for someone to keep things running smoothly.   * This is not a "project". This is day-to-day operations type  work.   * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent  employment. If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume   and  I will  forward it to the hiring manager. Thanks everyone.  -Original Message-  From: Connally, Ken  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM  To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'  Subject: Open Positions  Hello Listers,  We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist   with our  daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a  mostly version  5  shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking  at  a six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The  position is  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be  interested, pl

Re: FW: Open Positions

2006-08-21 Thread Herb Partlow
So why is everyone giving this guy grief about his job posting?
Seems to me it is a legit post.

Who would take this position? 
How about someone that is local to the San Francisco area. 
This would not require travel or lodging expenses.


The position is in San Francisco, CA.
* There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.  
* The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance
  of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking for someone
   to keep things running smoothly.
* This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type work.
* It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent 
  employment.

Anyone know for sure what the rate is?  
No, Then why comment about how low it is and give him grief.


Now, I could see if he was asking for someone with everything under the
sun and then was offering $40 hr, but the rate isn't mentioned and I
just can't see why is generated so much BS. 

Disclaimer - I don't know this person.

Herb 


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luebbe, Tom
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions

Um, how much you want to be that this person will probably not post on
the ARS list anymore???  I remember when NO jobs were posted, now we are
making fun of jobs that are posted???  Nice. 

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 3:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [ARSLIST] FW: Open Positions

Yeah, it's not like we don't appreciate the posting, but there are some
jobs that are just more attractive than others.  Wanna bet they're
paying like $50/hr?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dcharters
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:44 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: FW: Open Positions

HHAARSSSH, But true lol

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:18 +, tgaltamore wrote
 Work like a consultant, but get paid like an employee, but get no 
 benefits, but get no travel or lodging expenses, while allowing you to

 bring in someone else after six months, and you won't have to pay
 unemployment expenses.   Ok I got it
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Connally, Ken 
 Date: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:25 pm
 Subject: FW: Open Positions
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 
  I'm going to clarify this a bit more as I'm getting a lot of 
  questions.
  
  
  Details:
  
  * The position is in San Francisco, CA.
  
  * There will be no travel/lodging expenses paid.
  
  * The responsibilities will center around operations and maintenance

  of all of our ARS applications. Basically, we're looking for someone

  to keep things running smoothly.
  
  * This is not a project. This is day-to-day operations type work.
  
  * It'll be approximately 6 months with potential for permanent 
  employment.
  
  
  
  If this sounds appealing to you, please forward your resume and I 
  will forward it to the hiring manager.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Connally, Ken
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:20 PM
  To: 'arslist@ARSLIST.ORG'
  Subject: Open Positions
  
  
  
  Hello Listers,
  
  
  
  We're currently looking for a couple contractors to assist with our 
  daily operations and maintenance activities. We are a mostly version

  5 shop with mostly custom applications. We're probably looking at a 
  six month need, with potential for a permanent stay. The position is

  in San Francisco, CA. If you or anyone you know may be interested, 
  please contact me.
  
  
  
  Thanks everyone.
  
  
  

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