Re: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

2018-04-13 Thread Misi Mladoniczky
Hi,

I would suggest doing a new install on unicode and migrate application and data 
with the API (RRR|Chive for instance). Doing this on the DB level can result in 
strange things if you have ANY ascii character greater than 127 in for examples 
your labels.

Also some data in unicode will not fit in the max length of the fields, which 
can be fixed by increasing the field length as needed. The places to do this 
will not be found if you do this on the DB level.

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April 11, 2018 1:27 PM, "Theo Fondse"  wrote: 
Hi Thomas, 

LJ is correct, you are attempting to enter a character with a UNICODE 
code into a NON-UNICODE DB. 

Your NLS_CHARACTERSET value indicates you have a NON-UNICODE DB. 

You will need to convert your DB to UNICODE to sort out your issue. 

Oracle 12c has a conversion utility (DMU) to convert a DB to UNICODE. 

We had to use DMU recently to convert a DB to UNICODE. 

BE WARNED: This process takes very long and you need a lot of free 
space available to do this (depending on the size of your DB). 

Please also remember to set the LANG variable correctly on your Remedy 
ARS server if that runs on a Solaris or Unix OS afterwards, to ensure Remedy 
talks in UNICODE to the DB. 

Alternatively, stick to NON-UNICODE and forget about adding “very 
special” characters to your data…. 

The below links might be helpful: 

· Oracle How to check character set in Oracle: 
http://support.etouch.net/cm/wiki/?id=43321 
(http://support.etouch.net/cm/wiki/?id=43321) 

· Oracle Character Set Migration: 
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/B10500_01/server.920/a96529/ch10.htm 
(https://docs.oracle.com/cd/B10500_01/server.920/a96529/ch10.htm) 

· Change Oracle 12c database character set to WE8MSWIN1252 from 
AL32UTF8 without recreating the DB: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34763891/change-oracle-12c-database-characterset-to-we8mswin1252-from-al32utf8-without-re
 
(https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34763891/change-oracle-12c-database-characterset-to-we8mswin1252-from-al32utf8-without-re)
 

· Oracle Database Migration Assistant for Unicode (DMU) in Oracle 
Database 12c Release 1 (12.1): 
https://oracle-base.com/articles/12c/database-migration-assistant-for-unicode-dmu-12cr1
 
(https://oracle-base.com/articles/12c/database-migration-assistant-for-unicode-dmu-12cr1)
 

Best Regards, 

Theo Fondse 

From: ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org 
(mailto:mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org)] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April, 2018 07:54 PM
To: ARSList 
Subject: Re: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS 
I'm not a unicode expert, but I believe what you might be dealing with 
is that the characterset you are using might not be able to properly store the 
character you are asking for. 
On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Fred Grooms via ARSList  wrote:  
Yep … For ARS 9 I would have expected NLS_CHARACTERSET to be AL32UTF8 
(The Unicode value) 
From: ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 6:57 AM
To: LJ LongWing 
Cc: ARSList 
Subject: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS 
On Apr 4, 2018, at 1:56 PM, LJ LongWing  wrote: 
Character set at the db? 
On April 4, 2018 4:47:12 AM Thomas Miskiewicz  wrote:  

Hi there, 
We’re on ARS 9.1.03 with Oracle 12. 
When I enter Avșar into the a character field I get Av¿ar after saving. 
 
Any idea how to fix this? 
Thomas 

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RE: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

2018-04-11 Thread Theo Fondse
Hi Thomas,

 

LJ is correct, you are attempting to enter a character with a UNICODE code into 
a NON-UNICODE DB.

Your NLS_CHARACTERSET value indicates you have a NON-UNICODE DB.

You will need to convert your DB to UNICODE to sort out your issue.

 

Oracle 12c has a conversion utility (DMU) to convert a DB to UNICODE.

 

We had to use DMU recently to convert a DB to UNICODE.

 

BE WARNED: This process takes very long and you need a lot of free space 
available to do this (depending on the size of your DB).

 

Please also remember to set the LANG variable correctly on your Remedy ARS 
server if that runs on a Solaris or Unix OS afterwards, to ensure Remedy talks 
in UNICODE to the DB.

 

Alternatively, stick to NON-UNICODE and forget about adding “very special” 
characters to your data….

 

The below links might be helpful:

* Oracle How to check character set in Oracle: 
http://support.etouch.net/cm/wiki/?id=43321

* Oracle Character Set Migration: 
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/B10500_01/server.920/a96529/ch10.htm

* Change Oracle 12c database character set to WE8MSWIN1252 from 
AL32UTF8 without recreating the DB: 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34763891/change-oracle-12c-database-characterset-to-we8mswin1252-from-al32utf8-without-re

* Oracle Database Migration Assistant for Unicode (DMU) in Oracle 
Database 12c Release 1 (12.1): 
https://oracle-base.com/articles/12c/database-migration-assistant-for-unicode-dmu-12cr1

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Theo Fondse

 

From: ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April, 2018 07:54 PM
To: ARSList <arslist@arslist.org>
Subject: Re: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

 

I'm not a unicode expert, but I believe what you might be dealing with is that 
the characterset you are using might not be able to properly store the 
character you are asking for.

 

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Fred Grooms via ARSList <arslist@arslist.org 
<mailto:arslist@arslist.org> > wrote:

Yep …  For ARS 9  I would have expected NLS_CHARACTERSET to be AL32UTF8  (The 
Unicode value)

 

From: ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org 
<mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org> ] On Behalf Of Thomas Miskiewicz
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 6:57 AM
To: LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com <mailto:lj.longw...@gmail.com> >
Cc: ARSList <arslist@arslist.org <mailto:arslist@arslist.org> >
Subject: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

 



 

 

On Apr 4, 2018, at 1:56 PM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lj.longw...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Character set at the db?

 

On April 4, 2018 4:47:12 AM Thomas Miskiewicz <tmisk...@gmail.com 
<mailto:tmisk...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi there,

 

We’re on ARS 9.1.03 with Oracle 12.

 

When I enter Avșar into the a character field I get Av¿ar after saving. 

 

Any idea how to fix this?

 

 

Thomas

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Re: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

2018-04-04 Thread LJ LongWing
I'm not a unicode expert, but I believe what you might be dealing with is
that the characterset you are using might not be able to properly store the
character you are asking for.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Fred Grooms via ARSList <
arslist@arslist.org> wrote:

> Yep …  For ARS 9  I would have expected NLS_CHARACTERSET to be AL32UTF8  (The
> Unicode value)
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> *From:* ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *Thomas
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 4, 2018 6:57 AM
> *To:* LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* ARSList <arslist@arslist.org>
> *Subject:* [E] Re: Special characters in ARS
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> On Apr 4, 2018, at 1:56 PM, LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Character set at the db?
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> On April 4, 2018 4:47:12 AM Thomas Miskiewicz <tmisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi there,
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> We’re on ARS 9.1.03 with Oracle 12.
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> When I enter Avșar into the a character field I get Av¿ar after saving.
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> Any idea how to fix this?
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RE: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

2018-04-04 Thread Fred Grooms via ARSList
Yep …  For ARS 9  I would have expected NLS_CHARACTERSET to be AL32UTF8  (The 
Unicode value)

From: ARSList [mailto:arslist-boun...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Thomas 
Miskiewicz
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 6:57 AM
To: LJ LongWing <lj.longw...@gmail.com>
Cc: ARSList <arslist@arslist.org>
Subject: [E] Re: Special characters in ARS

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On Apr 4, 2018, at 1:56 PM, LJ LongWing 
<lj.longw...@gmail.com<mailto:lj.longw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Character set at the db?

On April 4, 2018 4:47:12 AM Thomas Miskiewicz 
<tmisk...@gmail.com<mailto:tmisk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi there,

We’re on ARS 9.1.03 with Oracle 12.

When I enter Avșar into the a character field I get Av¿ar after saving.

Any idea how to fix this?


Thomas
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