Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
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That sounds like Goa a few years ago.. Even till today when my family is at our ancestral home in Goa on vacations and I call them, they sometimes have to go outdoors with their cell phones to get a better reception, simply because there are so few cell towers in that area that by the time you walk into your 24 inch thick old stone walls, your cells are literally powerless.. Makes me wonder why they don't build homes like that in tornado torn places in the US.. those homes there stood through 100s of powerful storms and cyclones.. They would probably need Sandy multiplied by 4 or 5 to bring them down.. I recall when I was a teen, because a tree in our property was giving a reasonable doubt to our neighbor that it may perhaps damage their home should it fall, we got a permit to cut it off. And while cutting it there was a small accident where midway a huge log fell directly on hour home by accident.. the result - a small scratch on the outer wall of our home.. something we didn't even bother to repair until the next time we painted the house. That same log would have probably flattened most homes built out of wood here in the US.. After that log hit vertically on the ground, it left a depression of close to half a foot - which gives an idea of the impact.. Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:43 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone (call, not text). Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile to the corner store where the 'community' phone was. I wonder if we could survive a day without cell phones, email, etc. Heck, it's Friday so I can say this... In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one another to decide who would answer it. Truth was it might ring ten times before someone answered it. Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world will come to an end. There wasn't any answering machines either - if you weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they had to actually call back. And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we did have electricity - most of the time). -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone (call, not text). Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile to the corner store where the 'community' phone was. I wonder if we could survive a day without cell phones, email, etc. Heck, it's Friday so I can say this... In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one another to decide who would answer it. Truth was it might ring ten times before someone answered it. Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world will come to an end. There wasn't any answering machines either - if you weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they had to actually call back. And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we did have electricity - most of the time). -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From
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You can change the settings to turn off all notifications. Most of us do that. Rick On May 24, 2013 11:35 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf
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Thank you Ken for making feel younger. I have put a goal for retirement of 80 years old, which after reading your last post I'm thinking you've reached that goal already! Susan :) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Ken Pritchard pri...@ptd.net wrote: Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone (call, not text). Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile to the corner store where the 'community' phone was. I wonder if we could survive a day without cell phones, email, etc. Heck, it's Friday so I can say this... In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one another to decide who would answer it. Truth was it might ring ten times before someone answered it. Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world will come to an end. There wasn't any answering machines either - if you weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they had to actually call back. And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we did have electricity - most of the time). -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh
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If I could figure out my way around the dern website I'd do that ! From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:48 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** You can change the settings to turn off all notifications. Most of us do that. Rick On May 24, 2013 11:35 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net mailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote: I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com mailto:sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net mailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote
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Haha (which is the older generation way of saying LOL). Not quite there and figure I'll be long retired before 80. I've actually set a goal which is less than 5 years out. I plan on enjoying life. Don't need much, just a country way of life. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:28 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Thank you Ken for making feel younger. I have put a goal for retirement of 80 years old, which after reading your last post I'm thinking you've reached that goal already! Susan :) On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Ken Pritchard pri...@ptd.net mailto:pri...@ptd.net wrote: Folks know that usually the best way to get me is either email or phone (call, not text). Even my kids ask me why I don't text - I tell them about the old days where if you wanted to make a phone call you had to walk a mile to the corner store where the 'community' phone was. I wonder if we could survive a day without cell phones, email, etc. Heck, it's Friday so I can say this... In the old days (once we did get a phone) if it rang, everyone looked at one another to decide who would answer it. Truth was it might ring ten times before someone answered it. Nowadays folks can't be ten feet from their phone and if they don't answer it by the second ring they think the world will come to an end. There wasn't any answering machines either - if you weren't there, you never knew someone was trying to get hold of you - they had to actually call back. And yes - I grew up where there was no plumbing in the house (although we did have electricity - most of the time). -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:36 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I created a facebook account just to check out pictures some of my friends post on there of our get togethers and parties - so I can view them without having them have to email them which they used to before facebook.. But now having a iPhone app for it, I don't sign off it, so maybe that's the reason why I do not get such notifications except when someone specifically writes something to me.. Maybe that's one way to not get email notifications from facebook.. just don't sign off from it.. I think all of my contacts there know that I'm not quick to respond to facebook messages except when I'm travelling when there is nothing better to do in hotels.. Cheers -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Maybe one of the last - but not the last! I made the mistake of creating a facebook acct - never really use it. But now I get all these msgs from Facebook that I need to log in because someone has posted something - but when I get up there - I can't find anything. I think it's just a ploy to have folks log in monthly to pad their stats. Does anyone really look at the advertisements on those sites? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new
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Joe, Not sure how much money you can make playing the Ukulele. Back in the 70's, Tiny Tim seemed to be able to make a living off playing one. ;) Dave -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer
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A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be used for a lot more instances than Oracle. I just did a quick look and it's hard to find solid statistics on database usage or licensing. Oracle certainly makes more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's different than how widespread their utilization is. Having worked with both, I prefer SQL Server. For Remedy in particular, it seems to work better. If Oracle were to become the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what impact that would have. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I prefer SQL as well. When Remedy backends to Oracle, I need a DBA to provide assistance. And this is great if you have a full Oracle shop in the organization. When Remedy backends to SQL, I (generally) do not need a DBA to assist. With SQL, I can setup the back-up schedule, do backup on the fly or restore a database between environments without impacting anyone else's time. With Oracle, I have to schedule all these tasks with the Oracle shop in advance of the activity. SQL also allows data to not be case specific. Thank you, Sandra Hennigan Remedy Developer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:28 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be used for a lot more instances than Oracle. I just did a quick look and it's hard to find solid statistics on database usage or licensing. Oracle certainly makes more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's different than how widespread their utilization is. Having worked with both, I prefer SQL Server. For Remedy in particular, it seems to work better. If Oracle were to become the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what impact that would have. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I tried to be conservative with the 80%. I really believe it is accurate. It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials. They're growth in the Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters. That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the other business units that contain the O/S xBOX (I forget their names). For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing one check. Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have planned. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) I tried to be conservative with the 80%. I really believe it is accurate. It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials. They're growth in the Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters. That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the other business units that contain the O/S xBOX (I forget their names). For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion
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He could hold it on the Hawaiian island of Lanai, which he recently purchased. Rick On May 23, 2013 12:16 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing one check. Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have planned. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) I tried to be conservative with the 80%. I really believe it is accurate. It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials. They're growth in the Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters. That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the other business units that contain the O/S xBOX (I forget their names). For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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The new home of RUG or ORUG? From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:18 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) ** He could hold it on the Hawaiian island of Lanai, which he recently purchased. Rick On May 23, 2013 12:16 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: So if that is correct Oracle could go after Amazon/Microsoft/SAP by writing one check. Larry must be planning a very large party, if this works the way we have planned. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) I tried to be conservative with the 80%. I really believe it is accurate. It's also attested to by Microsoft's financials. They're growth in the Server business unit has been between 15-20% in many consecutive quarters. That particular business unit is a stand-out when compared to some of the other business units that contain the O/S xBOX (I forget their names). For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Ha I wish! I'm just trying to learn to play that 4 string toy and just recently found out its significantly different from a regular guitar that I'm already familiar with! Joe -Original Message- From: Shellman, David Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:45 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Not sure how much money you can make playing the Ukulele. Back in the 70's, Tiny Tim seemed to be able to make a living off playing one. ;) Dave -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance
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While I agree with that the SQL server seems to be easier for certain things (case sensitivity being one of the biggest thing), Oracle is a lot more flexible when scripting selective type of backups and restores. I do not think that is even possible with MS-SQL. That’s a big winner when your database size gets to be ginormous, and you want to do selective type of backup and restore to refresh the production database to development, by bypassing large amounts of application data. That’s the side of Oracle that I personally love, which if someone told me is possible with MS-SQL, I'd probably switch my preference in a heart beat. Joe -Original Message- From: Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:28 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) A lot of companies use both, but I also agree that SQL Server seems to be used for a lot more instances than Oracle. I just did a quick look and it's hard to find solid statistics on database usage or licensing. Oracle certainly makes more money off of databases than anyone else, but that's different than how widespread their utilization is. Having worked with both, I prefer SQL Server. For Remedy in particular, it seems to work better. If Oracle were to become the owner of Remedy, I'm not sure what impact that would have. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:56 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I think I am one of the last persons to have created a YouTube account! That I did only because a video I wanted to send to some of my friends of me struggling to drill some ice while ice fishing at the Matanuska Lake at Alaska, looked too funny not to share considering a local tour guide drilled like it was nothing! Me and one of my project manager were literally struggling to drill.. And this was only 2 months ago... It didn't even occur to me I could use YouTube to publish that video, and I was thinking other old school stuff like creating an FTP folder on my company FTP server... Joe -Original Message- From: Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Joe, Let me know when you post a YouTube of you on the Ukulele. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:32 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would
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When the news broke and which was kind of anticipated.. I believed it’s just a financial decision and such big financial decisions always come out of personal perspective.. and it’s always the people who make the technology and business flourish.. With so many of great people here.. (and I mean it), I like to hope that we have a long way to go.. (Hoping doesn’t require your hair to be grey ☺ ).. Dhananjay From: Joshua Schuller [via ARS (Action Request System)] [mailto:ml-node+s1093659n7589001...@n2.nabble.com] Sent: 22 May 2013 10:28 To: Dhananjay Deshpande Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** That is not a bad point.However, folks should also consider the big picture. Just think about what are you doing for discovery and run book automation? Monitoring? One big caution is that some alternate ITSM providers are just checking a box as far as saying we have that. Pull the covers and then LOL. Guess what, you are *required* to customize their Out-of-the-Box and nothing comes for free (even for a basic implementation). Still if you are all about custom (and on this list) then you already realize the inherent power of AR System Powered Apps has not been recently high-lighted. Remember the Remedy Your Business, Your Way slogan if that rings a bell? Cheers, Joshua Schuller ph: 1.347.220.5979 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jim Manara [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7589001i=0 wrote: My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7589001i=1 a href=tel:480-273-0934 value=+14802730934480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7589001i=2] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=7589001i=3 Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/huh-financial-news-for-bmc-tp7588575p7589001.html To start a new topic under ARS (Action Request System), email ml-node+s1093659n1093659...@n2.nabble.commailto:ml-node+s1093659n1093659...@n2.nabble.com To unsubscribe from ARS (Action Request System), click herehttp://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=1093659code=ZGhhbmFuamF5LmRlc2hwYW5kZUBpbi5mdWppdHN1LmNvbXwxMDkzNjU5fC04NjQwNTQzOTI=. NAMLhttp://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://ars-action-request-system.1093659.n2.nabble.com/huh-financial-news-for-bmc-tp7588575p7589004.html Sent from the ARS (Action Request System) mailing list archive at Nabble.com
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Howard's right. Keep in mind that ServiceNow has as many customers around the world as Remedy has in the US. Not to mention the fact that the Service Management business unit revenue grew double-digits last year. The reason it seems scary is because the perpetual licenses are being cannibalized by SaaS revenue. However, SaaS (leasing!) brings more profit along with it. So, don't ring the doomsday bell just yet. Also, can you think of any one enterprise application that has over 50% market share? The only one that comes to mind for me is: Mercury Quality Center. It hit a max of 68% market share in the Mercury days. I'm talking enterprise apps? Anyone else? Think about Salesforce.com... even though they have $3billion in revenue, Siebel lives. So does Peoplesoft for that matter. CRM is a larger and mature market than ITSM, so it can be used as a predictor for what is likely to happen here. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:25 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? At the end of the day, Remedy will be in use by many. It will take us older (and better looking) men and women, to teach the young whippersnappers how to work on this wonderful thing we call Remedy. Now time for my nap. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:18 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts). I'm proud of it. And, as I told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the time when I can ride into the sunset. AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy. I never stop at only drinking one. - Original Message - From: Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com 480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? __ _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives
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This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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How about an Oracle Cloud as well? Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 22, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Totally fits. It just makes sense. If I were SAP, I wouldn't let it happen... therefore... bidding war over Remedy and relevant pieces between the 2 companies. Who will win? I think Oracle because they have a better balance sheet. Plus, Larry Ellison just loves to stick it to competitors. And SAP has got to be at the top of his list. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit - http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:06 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) How about an Oracle Cloud as well? Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 22, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. __ _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Do you really think its as high as 80%? I would have given Oracle a little more credit than that. At least I end up working at sites that are more Oracle centric to meet their database needs. Cheers Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea) This is smart! Oracle would love this because they get to dump BMC Analytics, replace it with an OBIEE solution and get more of a leg up in the BI market. They're struggling in 4th place... and are trying to make it up with acquisitions. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft has been pounding on them for years in the database market. When I was with BMC in 2003, 51% of Remedy customers were still on Oracle. Of those, the top O/S was Solaris. Now, I would guess that 80% of Remedy customers use SQL Server as the back-end. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I'm not even that close to retirement but for me I would like to not spend a lot of time trying to learn something new that would sustain my living, rather spend that time doing things I enjoy - lately its been photography once again - I used to be into it a long time ago until DSLR's killed the fun.. Another toy I have been increasingly become interested in is a Ukulele. I can't imagine having to go through a significant amount of time not having time for things like that just because you need to learn something new to do for a living.. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces
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I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce
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When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday
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I don’t mind learning new tricks. I like learning new tricks. I just don’t want to have to run away again join a new circus. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM, pritch pri...@ptd.net wrote: When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice
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'Learning new tricks' daily doesn't have to be technology. There are plenty of other things to do to keep the mind going - for the most part they are called Hobbies - I personally don't want to be a one-trick pony in front of a computer screen all my life. I like the good-old days where if you weren't home, you weren't home and folks had to call back later (ie no answering machines). I'm just that dern old and don't like all these modern toys. Maybe it's just from the fact that I got cut off three times this morning by the same person who was looking at their 'smart-phone' while weaving across lanes on the highway! :) - Original Message - From: Rebecca Boyd boy...@wfu.edu To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:36:36 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don’t mind learning new tricks. I like learning new tricks. I just don’t want to have to run away again join a new circus. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:22 AM, pritch pri...@ptd.net wrote: When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent
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Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com 480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic! http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/ -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:23 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? When you get to within 5 years or so of retiring, you certainly want to! We 'old dogs' that are up there and close to leaving the work force are not real interested in learning new tricks. If we need to in order to be 'rewarded' we will, but the rewards are increasingly less interesting. - Original Message - From: Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:53 AM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack
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I've got a little award on my desk from a previous employer that says Something to Believe In along with a date on it. They wanted us to believe they would still be in business on that date. Instead, within three years they were bought by First Union Bank who merged later with Wachovia. If you know which banks suffered during the financial meltdown and how their issues were resolved you might understand why I keep this award as a reminder to think for myself. 8) No matter what happens to the companies and product lines we support, always beware of marketing hype. Some of it is too positive and some is too negative. We will see how this works out anyway. This cartoon goes into my folder of 'appreciation' awards, but I think cash-value is expecting too much. I just want the stories I need for my resume, future job interviews, and other sales pitches. I already know how to turn the stories into cash. 8) -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brock, Anne Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:59 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: OT: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ? Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic! http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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Al, That's funny. A long time ago, I worked for a large company. They re-organized the sales territories and I was given some new accounts. I visited them with the old sales rep, and at one, the manager took my card, turned it over, and started to write on it. I asked him what he was writing. He said: Today's date. I want to see how long you're going to be with the company. I was gone within a couple of months. Stan w. 310-230-1722. c. 310-428-5748. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Differ, Alfred W CTR PHD NSWC, 210 Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:12 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ? I've got a little award on my desk from a previous employer that says Something to Believe In along with a date on it. They wanted us to believe they would still be in business on that date. Instead, within three years they were bought by First Union Bank who merged later with Wachovia. If you know which banks suffered during the financial meltdown and how their issues were resolved you might understand why I keep this award as a reminder to think for myself. 8) No matter what happens to the companies and product lines we support, always beware of marketing hype. Some of it is too positive and some is too negative. We will see how this works out anyway. This cartoon goes into my folder of 'appreciation' awards, but I think cash-value is expecting too much. I just want the stories I need for my resume, future job interviews, and other sales pitches. I already know how to turn the stories into cash. 8) -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Brock, Anne Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:59 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: OT: Dilbert RE: huh? financial news for bmc ? Speaking of rewards these days! - Dilbert on Sunday was classic! http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-05-19/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts). I'm proud of it. And, as I told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the time when I can ride into the sunset. AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy. I never stop at only drinking one. - Original Message - From: Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com 480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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At the end of the day, Remedy will be in use by many. It will take us older (and better looking) men and women, to teach the young whippersnappers how to work on this wonderful thing we call Remedy. Now time for my nap. hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:18 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I earned my grey hair (and my senior discounts). I'm proud of it. And, as I told my 'baby' on his milestone birthday yesterday, I'm aiming for the time when I can ride into the sunset. AND... I agree with the screwdriver analogy. I never stop at only drinking one. - Original Message - From: Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:43:59 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com 480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? __ _ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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That is not a bad point.However, folks should also consider the big picture. Just think about what are you doing for discovery and run book automation? Monitoring? One big caution is that some alternate ITSM providers are just checking a box as far as saying we have that. Pull the covers and then LOL. Guess what, you are *required* to customize their Out-of-the-Box and nothing comes for free (even for a basic implementation). Still if you are all about custom (and on this list) then you already realize the inherent power of AR System Powered Apps has not been recently high-lighted. Remember the Remedy Your Business, Your Way slogan if that rings a bell? Cheers, Joshua Schuller ph: 1.347.220.5979 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com wrote: My hair is not gray! What you see is the sunlight reflecting off the natural highlights in my hair. Even indoors. I have passed many mile markers. If you can't stay flexible, then the race gets harder. Everyone needs different tools. More important is recognizing when to use them. How many of you own only one screwdriver? Jim Manara jim.man...@thecambiaregroup.com 480-273-0934 Growth is Change, Change is Cambiare! Heh. I only just passed that marker on the road and plan to be working for many more years. I know the flame changes in nature, but if it goes out I'm in trouble. 8) Depending on one vendor for more than three or four years is folly. I'm constantly impressed the Remedy product line has lasted as long as it has, but it has changed a lot over the years. To keep working in this niche, my 'flame' has already changed a number of times. While I hope it continues, I try to make sure I have reserve options. Someone is going to have to teach the process after it all goes into the cloud, right? While I'm sure the vendor will try to milk that need, there is nothing quite like a friendly face on site who isn't motivated to up-sell. -al -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sylvain YVON Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:34 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I don't know, a developer and even a consultant should try and learn new stuff every day. Maybe at 50 the flame is gone, but we can't rely on a single vendor for our careers on the long term, can we ? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Unless off course the plan is to cash the cow while it still alive and well with a who cares what happens to it after you get your money kind of an attitude.. I, just like you, am hoping to not have to learn new tricks either for at least as long as another decade. Unless that trick happens to be around the Remedy Developer Studio as that might give Jason, Rod and I, some more material to present at the RUG :) Joe -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:02 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain
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I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES �CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION� AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender
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Dan, What all of my business classes and reading of the Wall Street Journal have taught me is that you need to have the plans in place before you make an offer on a company. So I am sure that they had the plans drawn out of what they will be doing with Remedy and the other pieces of BMC, before they made the first offer. And if Oracle was part of it, they reached out to them as well (either directly or indirectly). I just want Remedy to be around for another 10 or so years, then I can retire and not need to learn something new. Its true what they say you can teach an old dog (or in this case Gator) new tricks. Have a great weekend, hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 12:20 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'll pretend it is Friday: Oracle World is coincidentally the week before WWRUG13. They could announce there and then everyone stays for a second week. From what I read, the initial deal should close just around the time we hold our conference, so unless they are working the selling parts of BMC in the meantime, it is going to be 2014 before any of that happens, or does Bane, I mean Bain, have a track record of making these decisions quickly and before the deals close? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: May 9, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES �CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION� AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT
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Agreed, Their support has REALLY started to step up and improve. Matt P. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Raman Arora Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:11 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3 weeks). Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of few hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is provided or a webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required). Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this phenomenon throughout!. -Raman On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.commailto:hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a company needs to support what they sell. Take care, hbr From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Howard, I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you. For more years than I care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper level support people as of late. They are actively trying to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care. Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us. It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.commailto:hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From
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On 5/6/13, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster Usually Equity Firms / Vulture Capital takeovers end up with a lot of asset stripping. BMC is rich pickings because they hoovered up a lot of software titles - I'd expect the smaller of those to be flogged off for a quick return, the high profit titles grown until the company can be flipped for a targeted return. Equity firms aren't generally known for long-term ownership or putting huge amounts of money into RD - to them the product is the business itself rather than what those businesses make. Not always the case and I hope I'm wrong...just seen a lot of it in the dotcom era.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? (crazy idea)
So where do we stand. 1. Bain might buy BMC and Compuware. a. BMC = the great Remedy engine, ITSM and number of Mainframe products b. Compuware = dynaTrace (a BSM product) and a number of Mainframe products. 2. BMC support is getting better, but maybe that is so when Bain buys BMC some support employees are not let go. So doing some thinking and if this goes through, the new companies might be.. 1. BMC/Compuware Mainframe products 2. Service Desk/ITSM/Monitoring/Discovery Service 3. Cloud And Remedy, sold to Oracle and licensed back. Or Oracle buys everything other than the Mainframe products. Now let's have a great weekend, Howard From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matthew Perrault Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 10:48 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Agreed, Their support has REALLY started to step up and improve. Matt P. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Raman Arora Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:11 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3 weeks). Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of few hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is provided or a webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required). Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this phenomenon throughout!. -Raman On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a company needs to support what they sell. Take care, hbr From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Howard, I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you. For more years than I care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper level support people as of late. They are actively trying to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care. Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us. It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. However, I would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets. ITSM is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so RD dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 Billion). Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. Imagine if this community could become part of an AppExchange. Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. In fact, Remedy will survive no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. The product is still the best. ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty sales force). That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly superior support team. Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. BMC Support. I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on both product lines. BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your logs. Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product better. On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their model changes from what I just described. In fact, customers tell me that they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some heavy ARsystem work as well (go Doug!) to make it MORE ready for the cloud. Remedyforce is the SaaS offering for small mid-size with the inferior PaaS capabilies of Salesforce.com (proprietary Apex coding) and different price point. The pessimistic scenario is that Remedy gets thrown o SAP or Oracle to become another app that is part of those gianormous suites (like Oracle EBS). However, this much is certain. There are going to be changes at some point with new ownership. Now, please continue the speculation... This is a fun topic! For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jesse Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 10:29 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Great point! I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand vs.SNOW. BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. However, I would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets. ITSM is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so RD dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 Billion). Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. Imagine if this community could become part of an AppExchange. Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. In fact, Remedy will survive no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. The product is still the best. ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty sales force). That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly superior support team. Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. BMC Support. I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on both product lines. BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your logs. Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product better. On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their model changes from what I just described. In fact, customers tell me that they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation
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Slow down on the acquisition: Law office of Brodsky Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (“BMC” or the “Company”) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (“Investor Group”). Here's the link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html - Original Message - From: Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Great point! I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand vs.SNOW. BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. However, I would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets. ITSM is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so RD dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 Billion). Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. Imagine if this community could become part of an AppExchange. Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. In fact, Remedy will survive no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. The product is still the best. ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty sales force). That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly superior support team. Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. BMC Support. I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on both product lines. BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your logs. Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product better. On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their model changes from what I just described. In fact, customers tell me that they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit – http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES “CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION” AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly
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Lawyers trolling. If they think it is worth more, the law office of Brodsky Smith LLC should just put in an offer. Oh right, they had their chance and didn't. Or perhaps BMC should have opened itself up to higher bids? Oh right, they did. So what is their point again? That BMC Software should turn down an offer with a slight premium in favour of some potential future gain? So the BMC Board of Directors should gamble but they are based in Houston not Las Vegas. I guess my question is: The Board has recommended accepting the offer, do the shareholders have to go along with it, or does the BMC Board actually have the authority and have authorized the sale to go private and the decision is final? What are the rules? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: May 9, 2013 2:35 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Slow down on the acquisition: Law office of Brodsky Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (�BMC� or the �Company�) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (�Investor Group�). Here's the link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html - Original Message - From: Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Great point! �I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand vs.SNOW. � BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. �However, I would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. �Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets. �ITSM is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so RD dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 Billion). �Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. �With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. �Imagine if this community could become part of an AppExchange. Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. �In fact, Remedy will survive no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. The product is still the best. �ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty sales force). �That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly superior support team. �Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. BMC Support. �I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on both product lines. �BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your logs. �Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product better. �On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their model changes from what I just described. �In fact, customers tell me that they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS OF THIS EMAIL, INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF ANY ATTACHMENTS HERETO, CONSTITUTES �CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION� AND IS SUBJECT TO A CONFIDENTIALITY AND NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NORTHCRAFT ANALYTICS LLC. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 8:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? �I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) �I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity
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The board said no, then Elliot came in, got some folks on the board and all of a sudden the board came around. So the question becomes what's in it for the board that wasn't there before? More options to exercise? Or did they just 'See the light'? I really don't think there is much interest so Bain is probably the way to go. Doubt it will make any real difference in our lifetime - except that we can now become experts in helping companies migrate from Remedy to other platforms which will keep us working for a VERY long time. Heck, if we could get through upgrades, we can surely get through a migration. I'm in the process of helping a company get off Remedy and go to Service Now. Probably going to be a lot more of that in the future. - Original Message - From: arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 3:28:32 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Lawyers trolling. If they think it is worth more, the law office of Brodsky Smith LLC should just put in an offer. Oh right, they had their chance and didn't. Or perhaps BMC should have opened itself up to higher bids? Oh right, they did. So what is their point again? That BMC Software should turn down an offer with a slight premium in favour of some potential future gain? So the BMC Board of Directors should gamble but they are based in Houston not Las Vegas. I guess my question is: The Board has recommended accepting the offer, do the shareholders have to go along with it, or does the BMC Board actually have the authority and have authorized the sale to go private and the decision is final? What are the rules? Dan -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of pritch Sent: May 9, 2013 2:35 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Slow down on the acquisition: Law office of Brodsky Smith, LLC announces that it is investigating potential claims against the Board of Directors of BMC Software, Inc. (�BMC� or the �Company�) (BMC) relating to the proposed acquisition by Bain Capital, Golden Gate Capital, GIC Special Investments and Insight Venture Partners (�Investor Group�). Here's the link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shareholder-alert-law-office-brodsky-182900157.html - Original Message - From: Jason Miller jason.mil...@gmail.com To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:51:29 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Great point! �I think BMC just got (or will later this year) the upper hand vs.SNOW. � BMC *can* now be more flexible while SNOW is now slave to the money. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Lee Cullom lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com wrote: Oh, I totally agree that the future of Remedy would be secure. �However, I would be pessimistic about revenue growth and new customer acquisition because neither of them (Oracle or SAP) have a specialized ITSM sales force. �Pricing would go up, sales team quality down, and product roadmap would be cloudy and buried under products with much larger markets. �ITSM is only a $1.5 billion dollar market, so RD dollars would go to the larger markets like CRM ($15 Billion). �Also, there would be no hope of Remedy becoming a PaaS as it should. �With some architectural changes, Remedy could be the most powerful PaaS on the planet, so I see BMC as the last hope of that happening. �Imagine if this community could become part of an AppExchange. Still - to your point, Remedy will survive. �In fact, Remedy will survive no matter what happens, but I just harken back to those days when it was thriving... as a separate BU under Dick Stark at BMC (30+% Revenue Growth at that time)... or when Remedy was its own company. The product is still the best. �ServiceNow's biggest win was in hiring all of the ex-Remedy sales people and solution consultants (impact of a specialty sales force). �That's how they're winning... not to mention their vastly superior support team. �Listen to a support call with a ServiceNow customer vs. BMC Support. �I've heard them both multiple times since we have customers on both product lines. �BMC = Send me your logs, send me your logs, send me your logs. �Vs. SNOW = A 2nd or 3rd tier quality person on the front-line. However, given enough time and money, ServiceNow could make their product better. �On the flip side, they're a public company now, so watch how their model changes from what I just described. �In fact, customers tell me that they already charge for approvers and end users now... the cycle continues. For our latest product demonstrations, please visit � http://www.youtube.com/user/northcraftanalytics Lee Cullom | Northcraft Analytics IT Metrics Specialist | Business Intelligence for ITSM Direct - 678-438-7244 | lee.cul...@northcraftanalytics.com Main - (678) 664-ITSM http://www.northcraftanalytics.com THE CONTENTS
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Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management, etc... - They'll tear out the ugly pieces and get them in the hands of someone who can use them (Elliot's involvement indicates that Compuware might be involved) - They'll take the profitable pieces and put probably keep them with the newly private BMC that needs to invest in ESM. So, I'm thinking... Patrol and it's ilk will end up with Compuware since it will give them a larger stack of monitoring tools. Mainframe/Batch Management - IBM? That would make sense. The new Z's are coming... sure would help to pick up some nice new batch management technology to go with that shiny new hardware and make it part of the Tivoli product line. Service Management - BMC grew the business significantly (per the financials yesterday)... and they need to transition to PaaS (for the Enterprise, that's Remedy) to grow dramatically. That will require investment and innovation (this is an optimistic scenario for ARlist)... and an AppExchange like community (this group) to develop new offerings that are needed to compete with ServiceNow (such as HR Call Center, Facilities Management, etc...). This will require some
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I feel your pain Howard and it's not just BMC. I was in network engineering for many years and over time our WAN vendor moved from a support center in San Ramon, CA to a call center in the Philippines and we had to immediately ask for a Tier 2 if not Tier 3 tech on the initial call because we all knew far more than the person answering the phone which wasn't the case previously. I have seen the same struggles with BMC's support lately, I've gone to the list before opening a support ticket anymore because I can get an answer (with lots of real world experience behind it) more quickly in most cases. I long for the days when the person taking my support call for Remedy could actually help me work on the problem instead of just being a ticket taker and asking for logs. Sadly most tech support seems to be going that direction for now, I am hoping eventually customers will start pushing back more and we will see support levels improve. -Rick ___ Rick Westbrock QMX Support Services -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 15:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate
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Howard, I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you. For more years than I care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper level support people as of late. They are actively trying to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care. Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us. It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:07 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? Since it's incredibly fun to speculate on this situation, I'll offer up: - Bain will look at the profitability of the various pieces/business units - Mainframe, Service Management
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That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a company needs to support what they sell. Take care, hbr From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, Lj Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Howard, I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you. For more years than I care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper level support people as of late. They are actively trying to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care. Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us. It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years. On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it's a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up inside of one of their applications (how long has it taken Oracle to combine the eBusiness Suite with PeopleSoft despite the products directly competing?) I can see if support deteriorates, maintenance goes up, or some other unknown odd factor, but it seems to me like it might be an opportunity for Remedy to be implemented in shops that may not have a good ITSM solution but already have installs of SAP, Oracle, or whoever hypothetically buys Remedy. If that's a pessimistic scenario it doesn't seem too bad to me. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Lee Cullom
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I second Lj. BMC support has suddenly turned around (may be since last 2-3 weeks). Things are suddenly getting better. We are hearing response in a matter of few hours and instead of a mail for log, it is the solution that is provided or a webex is scheduled (provided you give the info required). Request for Information cases are also getting thorough attention. We have teams working on quite a number of BMC tools and we're witnessing this phenomenon throughout!. -Raman On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** That is great to hear. Maybe someone has started to understand that a company needs to support what they sell. ** ** Take care, hbr ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Longwing, Lj *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:19 PM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** Howard, I'm typically on the same side of the fence as you. For more years than I care to count I know more about Remedy than anyone I get on the other end of the email, and I have come to not even contact them for things that aren't 'core' related or to file defects, but I have been in direct contact with some upper level support people as of late. They are actively trying to fix the problems that we have, and seem to truly care. Two days ago I logged a ticket regarding 8.1 overlays in an upgrade scenario, and had a response in less than 3 hours suggesting a WebEx...today I got around to doing that WebEx and he had his team lead on the phone with us. It took 2 hours to get fixed, but got fixed in a single call and required some advanced DB level workso while I still don't go to them unless I can't solve it (which isn't often honestly with personal experience, ARSList, and BMC Communities at hand)the last few times I have contacted them, the experience seems better than it was for many years. ** ** On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote:* *** Shawn, Since I have worked with Remedy since 1996, I can say that its has been a downward spiral since Peregrine acquired Remedy. The initial Remedy support was great, then when Peregrine fired most of the Remedy team it was for (please fill in the blank). When BMC picked up Remedy, things did get better (not as good as it was but better). However, the spiral started again. The first few years of BMC it did get better, then the move to off shoring support (with not enough training of the staff) and cost cutting. Down it went. Now a days I am not sure what is going on. I wonder if the head of support, has ever supported any customer or even answered a support call. When I know more than the level 2s or 3s, something is wrong. I am unsure why they cut so many old timers, but my guess it’s a money issue. As far as the support provided by other companies, they all have some good people and not so good people. However, I expect that the level 2s and higher to know more about the system they support and have the ability to help with the odd issues. Sorry for the rant, but I expect good support when I pay good money for it. And lately you cannot use Good support and BMC in the same sentence. Which is very sad for all of us in the world of Remedy. Hbr -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? We have SAP (and Oracle eBusiness) within my organization, and I haven't heard any unusual complaints. Is it worse than BMC's, Send us the same log files you already sent us so we can ask you for new log files of the same thing next week, then we'll close the ticket out for being too old customer service? I haven't interacted with BMC Support for a while so maybe I'm being unfair, but it often seemed like they just wanted to waste your time and hope you solved the problem on your own. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Hulmes, Timothy CTR MDA/ICTO Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:04 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? The only thing I will add about the SAP discussion is, have you ever dealt with support from SAP? Tim -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 6:42 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? I'm curious, why would Remedy being sold to SAP or Oracle be a negative thing in your opinion? I think it's big enough that it wouldn't be swallowed up
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Depends on your definition of successful Bain makes money for stock holders ... yes successful company??? well ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now ... Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form 10 Bottom of Form Don Bauder http://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/ , April 3, 2013 Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech company that went public last summer. ServiceNow insiders have now sold over $400 million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering] in which insiders also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders have sold $80 million of shares, notes Pearson. In the past, ServiceNow directors and management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors John Moores and Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous venture, Peregrine Systems, which was one of San Diego's largest financial frauds. They pulled in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock -- even though these sales had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to prevent selling by insiders. Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores $20.6 million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has been JMI Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell. ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial stake. He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief technology officer, writes Pearson. ServiceNow Director Charles Noell served as a Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman. Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout .. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau Sent: May 6, 2013 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark Stouse http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839locale=en_UStrk=tyah . If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog post http://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html , wanting authenticity when blogging. That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social Networks https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013 : authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective. I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help us to be in start-up mode again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy before the Peregrine acquisition days), allowing mid/long-term investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation. Looking forward to WWRUG13, ~ Matt Laurenceau Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities http://bit.ly/MattProfiles http://bit.ly/MattProfiles Skype: matt.laurenceau On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter utm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- ~ Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.com Follow me at @Matt_L https://twitter.com/matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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On April 1st?hm From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now . Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form 10 Bottom of Form Don Bauderhttp://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/, April 3, 2013 Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech company that went public last summer. ServiceNow insiders have now sold over $400 million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering] in which insiders also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders have sold $80 million of shares, notes Pearson. In the past, ServiceNow directors and management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors John Moores and Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous venture, Peregrine Systems, which was one of San Diego's largest financial frauds. They pulled in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock -- even though these sales had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to prevent selling by insiders. Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores $20.6 million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has been JMI Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell. ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial stake. He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief technology officer, writes Pearson. ServiceNow Director Charles Noell served as a Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman. Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau Sent: May 6, 2013 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark Stousehttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839locale=en_UStrk=tyah. If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog posthttp://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html, wanting authenticity when blogging. That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social Networkshttps://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013: authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective. I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help us to be in start-up mode again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy before the Peregrine acquisition days), allowing mid/long-term investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation. Looking forward to WWRUG13, ~ Matt Laurenceau Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities http://bit.ly/MattProfiles Skype: matt.laurenceau On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.commailto:lm...@me.com wrote: ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.commailto:sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.commailto:remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- ~ Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.commailto:matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.com Follow me at @Matt_Lhttps://twitter.com/matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Portions of this message may be confidential under an exemption to Ohio's public records law or under a legal privilege. If you have received this message in error or due to an unauthorized transmission or interception, please delete all copies from your system without disclosing, copying, or transmitting this message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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sounds like they want to get together with their friends they miss.. and this might be a quick and legal way of visiting them on more of a permanent basis. On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:47 PM, richard@bwc.state.oh.us richard@bwc.state.oh.us wrote: ** On April 1st?hm *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *d...@wwrug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now ….. *Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares* *Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly* Top of Form 10 Bottom of Form Don Bauder http://www.sandiegoreader.com/staff/don-bauder/, April 3, 2013 Richard Pearson of Seeking Alpha has an excellent story, dated April 1, on massive insider selling at San Diego's ServiceNow, an information tech company that went public last summer. ServiceNow insiders have now sold over $400 million of stock, even after its [Initial Public Offering] in which insiders also dumped shares. Just in the past eight weeks, insiders have sold $80 million of shares, notes Pearson. In the past, ServiceNow directors and management, including founder Frederic Luddy and directors John Moores and Charles Noell, were big early sellers of their previous venture, Peregrine Systems, which was one of San Diego's largest financial frauds. They pulled in over half a billion dollars from sales of stock -- even though these sales had occurred during RESTRICTED PERIODS designed to prevent selling by insiders. Luddy has already dumped $12.7 million worth of ServiceNow stock, Moores $20.6 million and Noell $9.1 million, reports Pearson. Another seller has been JMI Funds, connected to both Moores, its namesake, and Noell. ServiceNow Director John Moores had previously been chairman of Peregrine Systems, and his [venture capital] firm JMI Capital held a substantial stake. He had recruited Fred Luddy to assume the eventual role of chief technology officer, writes Pearson. ServiceNow Director Charles Noell served as a Peregrine director and as the audit committee chairman. Now as long as none of them are behind the BMC buyout …. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Matt Laurenceau *Sent:* May 6, 2013 4:24 PM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark Stousehttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839locale=en_UStrk=tyah . If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog posthttp://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html, wanting *authenticity when blogging*. That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social Networks https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013: authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective. I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help us to be in *start-up mode* again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy before the Peregrine acquisition days), allowing mid/long-term investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation. Looking forward to WWRUG13, ~ Matt Laurenceau Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities http://bit.ly/MattProfiles Skype: matt.laurenceau On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- ~ Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.com Follow me at @Matt_L https://twitter.com/matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Portions of this message may be confidential under an exemption to Ohio's public records law or under a legal privilege. If you have received this message in error or due to an unauthorized transmission or interception, please delete all copies from your system without disclosing
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Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations. The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November. Please Note: I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there are SEC filings around these trades. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** On April 1st?hm From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now ... Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form snip ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I didn't even know they did an IPO From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations. The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November. Please Note: I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there are SEC filings around these trades. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.usmailto:richard@bwc.state.oh.us Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** On April 1st?hm From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.commailto:d...@wwrug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now . Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form snip _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Hey - What's more important here - BMC Going to a private equity firm or the resurrection (ok, so not until the fall) of the Twinkie? Hopefully they will be back on the shelves before the next RUG. They just have to wait until the union contract expires - then the new owner of the brand can start the factories back up. My guess is they will start by simply packaging all the old ones laying around. From what I hear, those things never get old. - Original Message - From: Claire Sanford claire.sanf...@memorialhermann.org To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 2:40:50 PM Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I didn’t even know they did an IPO From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Not April 1 st , and take a look on line and you can see the record of transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations. The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November. Please Note: I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I don’t know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there are SEC filings around these trades. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** On April 1 st ?hm From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now ….. Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form snip _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Pritch I read some article about a 14 year old McDonalds hamburger. Apparently, they are so full of rubbish that they won't go mouldy! I've never had a Twinkie: I guess they are as bad for the health? Bah, I rather enjoy a double-cheese burger and fries when I'm cycling home from the pub, safe in the knowledge that my missus won't find out.. :) Johh ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I was going to come back with Well that just shows how (un)successful it was then, doesn't it? until I did a quick check and apparently the launch went well, up 37% the first day (6/29/12). They opened at $40 today, compared to the initial offering at $18 (if I'm reading the numbers correctly). ___ Rick Westbrock QMX Support Services From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 11:41 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I didn't even know they did an IPO From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:09 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Not April 1st, and take a look on line and you can see the record of transactions since they fall under insider trading regulations. The directors have taken out hundreds of millions since last November. Please Note: I am not suggesting that these transactions are illegal since I don't know US laws or what goes around what is appropriate or not, and there are SEC filings around these trades. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of richard@bwc.state.oh.us Sent: May 7, 2013 1:47 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** On April 1st?hm From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 1:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** As long as we are talking about Peregrine, just came across this fun article about Service-Now ... Peregrine II? ServiceNow insiders, including Moores, dumping shares Former Peregrine insiders Moores, Noell, Luddy jettisoning stock quickly Top of Form snip _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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They are also supposedly looking to buy Compuware. Since Bain has a history of also buying companies, starving them of cash and selling off their remains, I think the areas of concern from a BMC employee perspective should be the areas that overlap with Compuware at this point, which doesn't include Remedy. It would make sense for them to sell off Remedy and other product lines whether BMC survives or not. The Remedy business still is strong enough that it's likely that anyone who buys it would be interested in actually using it to make money rather than shutting it down. If they end buying it, I can see Oracle expanding Remedy's market share if they try to bundle some portion of it in with their eBusiness suite or Peoplesoft or something. In any case, I'm not a fan of Bain - not because of politics, but because my kids can't enjoy going to K.B. Toys like I used to when I was a kid, and Toys R' Us appears to be on the verge of bankruptcy as well. I haven't looked into it but I wouldn't be surprised if others that you listed are in financial trouble now as well. Maybe it will work out ok for Remedy, but I will be surprised if BMC is as stable (or even around) in five years as it was before now. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Kallestad Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:59 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( That's just mean spirited. === We've all been through this before. Some things will happen that we don't like beyond our control, but in the end the technology we all use and the industry we're all a part of will be just fine. You never know, this could be a very good thing that expands market share and increases the size of our community. Bain is Guitar Center, Gymboree, Staples, Clear Channel, Dominoes Pizza, Dunkin' Donuts, Toys R Us, and Sports Authority. Those are all pretty much household names. It's not such a bad thing to have the Action Request System on the same list. --Steve On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.commailto:hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.commailto:lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.commailto:vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-servicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service (SaaS) provider of IT service
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They also have invested in a number of companies that are successful. Check out the Wikipedia article on Bain Capital... From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Pierson, Shawn Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:14 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** They are also supposedly looking to buy Compuware. Since Bain has a history of also buying companies, starving them of cash and selling off their remains, I think the areas of concern from a BMC employee perspective should be the areas that overlap with Compuware at this point, which doesn't include Remedy. It would make sense for them to sell off Remedy and other product lines whether BMC survives or not. The Remedy business still is strong enough that it's likely that anyone who buys it would be interested in actually using it to make money rather than shutting it down. If they end buying it, I can see Oracle expanding Remedy's market share if they try to bundle some portion of it in with their eBusiness suite or Peoplesoft or something. In any case, I'm not a fan of Bain - not because of politics, but because my kids can't enjoy going to K.B. Toys like I used to when I was a kid, and Toys R' Us appears to be on the verge of bankruptcy as well. I haven't looked into it but I wouldn't be surprised if others that you listed are in financial trouble now as well. Maybe it will work out ok for Remedy, but I will be surprised if BMC is as stable (or even around) in five years as it was before now. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Kallestad Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:59 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( That's just mean spirited. === We've all been through this before. Some things will happen that we don't like beyond our control, but in the end the technology we all use and the industry we're all a part of will be just fine. You never know, this could be a very good thing that expands market share and increases the size of our community. Bain is Guitar Center, Gymboree, Staples, Clear Channel, Dominoes Pizza, Dunkin' Donuts, Toys R Us, and Sports Authority. Those are all pretty much household names. It's not such a bad thing to have the Action Request System on the same list. --Steve On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.commailto:hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.commailto:lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable
huh? financial news for bmc ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...This could good or this could be a disaster...On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote:**https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitterOn Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote:**http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
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I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.commailto:remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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No one is going to take that bet. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 7:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter utm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6301 - Release Date: 05/05/13 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6301 - Release Date: 05/05/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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That's a suckers bet, pass. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.commailto:sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.commailto:remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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** Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Pruitt, Christopher (Bank of America Account)Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 7:23 PMTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGReply To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?** Thatâs a suckers bet, pass. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 9:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0". From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven't heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don't think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter utm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said.. It was a sad sad day ! I really am hoping we are going into another On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. ** ** Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. ** ** WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J ** ** [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. ** ** Daniel ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote:* *** ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter ** ** On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ** ** _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13* *** _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- Patrick Zandi ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash. They had cooked the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank. I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason. Follow the cash seems to be a good rule to follow these days. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that Stephen Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said.. It was a sad sad day ! I really am hoping we are going into another On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven't heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don't think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writ es-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeed https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-wri tes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter utm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6302 - Release Date: 05/06/13 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6301 - Release Date: 05/05/13 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Sentences this is the most important part of those days !!! - Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the Federal Medical Center, Devenshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens .[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15 - Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional Institution, Bastrophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop ,[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16followed by two years of supervised release. [17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17 - Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[18]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18 - Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27 months in custody.[19]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19 - Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20Released from prison on October 22, 2010. [21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21 - Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[22]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22 - Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG Consultinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint): Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of supervised release and $100 mandatory special assessment.[23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23 - Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[24 ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24 - Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation.[25]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25 - John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of probation.[26]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26 - Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program): Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or director of any public company.[27]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27 - Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President COO): Three years of probationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation .[28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28 - Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of probation.[29]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29 - Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of $60,000.[30]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein st...@projectremedies.com wrote: ** As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash. They had cooked the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank. I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason. “Follow the cash” seems to be a good rule to follow these days. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said.. It was a sad sad day ! I really am hoping we are going into another ** ** On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca wrote:** ** ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do
Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?
Wow. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:09 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** Sentences this is the most important part of those days !!! * Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the Federal Medical Center, Devens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens .[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15 * Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional Institution, Bastrop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop ,[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16 followed by two years of supervised release.[17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17 * Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18 * Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27 months in custody.[19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19 * Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20 Released from prison on October 22, 2010.[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21 * Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22 * Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG Consulting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint ): Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of supervised release and $100 mandatory special assessment.[23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23 * Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24 * Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation .[25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25 * John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of probation.[26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26 * Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program): Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or director of any public company.[27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27 * Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President COO): Three years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation .[28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28 * Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of probation.[29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29 * Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of $60,000.[30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein st...@projectremedies.com wrote: ** As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash. They had cooked the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank. I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason. Follow the cash seems to be a good rule to follow these days. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that Stephen Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said.. It was a sad sad day ! I really am hoping we are going into another On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don't exist anymore so I can't be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out
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harshest punishment is 8 yearshow much money did he walk away with?I dunno...if I could walk away with enough moneyI'm not sure if I would consider the punishment worth it or not. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** Sentences this is the most important part of those days !!! - Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the Federal Medical Center, Devenshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens .[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15 - Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional Institution, Bastrophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop ,[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16followed by two years of supervised release. [17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17 - Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[18]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18 - Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27 months in custody.[19]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19 - Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20Released from prison on October 22, 2010. [21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21 - Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[22]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22 - Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG Consultinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint): Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of supervised release and $100 mandatory special assessment.[23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23 - Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service.[ 24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24 - Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation.[25]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25 - John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of probation.[26]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26 - Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program): Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or director of any public company.[27]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27 - Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President COO): Three years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation.[28]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28 - Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of probation.[29]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29 - Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of $60,000.[30]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein st...@projectremedies.com wrote: ** As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash. They had cooked the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank. I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason. “Follow the cash” seems to be a good rule to follow these days. ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said.. It was a sad sad day ! I really am hoping we are going into another ** ** On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM, arslist arsl...@danielbloom.ca wrote:* *** ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based
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We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-servicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service (SaaS) provider of IT service managementhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddyaction=editredlink=1, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems and Remedy Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation. The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC Softwarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software in Texas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: ars...@arslist.org javascript:] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org javascript: *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG javascript:] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org javascript: *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi reme...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC?On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.com wrote:** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant.ServiceNowis asoftware-as-a-service(SaaS) provider ofIT service management(ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 byFred Luddy, the previous CTO ofPeregrine SystemsandRemedy Corporation.The M in BMCJohn Jay Moores --He foundedBMC SoftwareinTexasin 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier forPeregrine Systemsin California starting in 1981 as well asServiceNowanother California corporation founded in 2005.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNowOn Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote:**Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002.Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it.WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J[Oracle World is the Week before, lol].DanielFrom: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of William RentfrowSent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AMTo: ars...@arslist.orgSubject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?**I have $1 on this being "Peregrine 2.0".From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheoSent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AMTo: ars...@arslist.orgSubject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ?** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout...This could good or this could be a disaster...On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote:**https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitterOn Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi reme...@gmail.com wrote:**http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi_ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13_ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years__ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_
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Sthepeh is still cooling his heals! http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081212/news_1b12prgrn.html On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Stanley Feinstein st...@projectremedies.com wrote: ** Wow. ** ** ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:09 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** Sentences this is the most important part of those days !!! - Stephen Gardner (former Peregrine CEO): 97 months in custody at the Federal Medical Center, Devenshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Devens .[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-15 - Douglas Powanda (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales): 78 months in custody at the Federal Correctional Institution, Bastrophttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Correctional_Institution,_Bastrop ,[16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-16followed by two years of supervised release. [17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-17 - Matthew Gless (former Peregrine CFO): 63 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[18]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-18 - Jeremy Crook (former Peregrine General Manager for Europe): 27 months in custody.[19]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-19 - Andrew V. Cahill, Jr. (former Peregrine Executive Vice President for World Wide Sales, after Powanda): 22 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-20Released from prison on October 22, 2010. [21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-21 - Berd J Rassam (former Peregrine Controller): 19 months in custody followed by two years of supervised release.[22]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-22 - Larry Rodda (former managing director of KPMG Consultinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BearingPoint): Six months in custody, six months of home detention, two years of supervised release and $100 mandatory special assessment.[23]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-23 - Richard Nelson (former Peregrine Corporate Counsel): One day in custody, six months home detention and 200 hours of community service. [24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-24 - Ilse Cappel (former Peregrine Assistant Treasurer): Five years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation.[25]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-25 - John Burnham Benjamin (former Peregrine Treasurer): Five years of probation.[26]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-26 - Steven Spitzer (former head of Peregrine's Alliance Sales Program): Three years probation, a $5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service plus a $110,000 civil penalty and barred from serving as an officer or director of any public company.[27]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-27 - Gary Lenz (former Peregrine President COO): Three years of probation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation.[28]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-28 - Peter O'Brien (former Peregrine Director of Alliances): One year of probation.[29]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-29 - Michael Whitt (owner of Barnhill Management Group): Civil penalty of $60,000.[30]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems#cite_note-30 ** ** On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Stanley Feinstein st...@projectremedies.com wrote: ** As I remember it, Peregrine bought Remedy for the cash. They had cooked the books for just about the same amount of cash that Remedy had in the bank. I remember the discussions about why they bought it, this or that, but when the numbers came out, cash was the reason. “Follow the cash” seems to be a good rule to follow these days. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *patrick zandi *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 10:00 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I remember that day at RUG :: I was standing next to rick cook, and he said they got bought out.. and I said who is that *Stephen* Gardner, guy -- he said that guy over there is running Peregrine, and I said -- Who? Him?, he said yeah.. why -- I said .. he is a Crook, and a lair I can see it in his face! Rick just looked a little bewildered after what I said
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My guess is worse. It's a good bet if you can find someone to take it Howard Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com wrote: ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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John Moores, the CEO, had a convenient memory lapse about the entire affair and was able to evade prosecution. And take about $600 Million in the process. And Pat, you were right about Gardner. Rick On May 6, 2013 10:52 AM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** My guess is worse. It's a good bet if you can find someone to take it Howard Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 10:09 AM, William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com wrote: ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. ** ** *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** ** ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote:* *** ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter ** ** On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ** ** _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13* *** _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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well it appears no one cares anymore about character, after all when I see Al Gore I see the same thing. and he is rich and popular... ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-service (SaaS) provider of IT service management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddy, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systems and Remedy Corporation. The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Software in Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AM To: ars...@arslist.org Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: ars...@arslist.org Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi reme...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-servicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service (SaaS) provider of IT service managementhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddyaction=editredlink=1, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems and Remedy Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation. The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC Softwarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software in Texas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote: ** https
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what is the new name : Bain Golden Gate GIC PIC --- that is catchy, like the swine flue.. or maybe BG3PIC -- well that is better. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-servicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service (SaaS) provider of IT service managementhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddyaction=editredlink=1, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems and Remedy Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation . The M in BMC John Jay Moores *-- *He founded BMC Softwarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software in Texas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* ars
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John You forgot the cubs in 2017 win it all. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.com (aka Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-service (SaaS) provider of IT service management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddy, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systems and Remedy Corporation. The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Software in Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:ars...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: May 6, 2013 10:10 AM To: ars...@arslist.org Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of laurent matheo Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM To: ars...@arslist.org Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6
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You forgot to mention that the Dallas Cowboys win their second playoff game in 20 years in 2017, but still lose their next game after that to continue their 22 years of missing the Super Bowl. So much for American’s team. LOL Christopher Pruitt From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Howard Richter Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 2:35 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** John You forgot the cubs in 2017 win it all. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 2:37 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:04 PM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** It is a little hard to say what version it was Because in 2012 -- BMC renamed it all to BMC Atrium ... threw in the kitchen sink -- which included the Remedy product and the ITSM Suite + some discovery software + a CMDB... But in 2014 Oracle broke it all up -- and peeled off the ITSM software into something they called Oracle Service Support (And the concept of a development admin tool went away) -- it is purely configuration and consulting to configure the product... (Traditional Remedy customer are unhappy - new customers don't know better - think they are eating a juicy steak - turns out it is pink slime) RemedyForce was taken over by Business.comhttp://Business.com (aka Salesforce.comhttp://Salesforce.com). RemedyOnDemand - still exists -- but is part of Oracle Scalable Enterprise - which everybody calls Oh say ... can you see -- because nobody can actually see it working... kind of a weird industry joke... (Still not sure about it -- I think 2021 humor goes over my head) Same timeframe -- Oracle renamed Remedy to Oracle Enable ... and it became really the adhoc business back-office apps generator SRM was abandoned by Oracle -- really BMC killed it before Oracle got it (circa 2011) - BMC just never told the customers. Of course Kinetic Data stayed independent and front-ends both Oracle Service Support and the Enable framework - keeping customers happy - regardless of the shenanigans behind the scenes... BTW - the MN Vikings still are without a Superbowl in 2021 :( Obama gets reelected. Republican gets elected 2016 -- does a fair job - but chooses not to rerun. Hillary gets 2020. And that is all I know... -John On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Howard Richter hbr4...@gmail.commailto:hbr4...@gmail.com wrote: ** Yep and that is what Bain will sell first to pay for this deal. Maybe they will sell Remedy to Oracle and then BMC will license it back for ITSM. Hbr Sent from my iPhone 5 On May 6, 2013, at 1:43 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.commailto:lm...@me.com wrote: ** Humm isn't mainframe the most profitable part of BMC? On 06 May, 2013,at 07:33 PM, patchsk vamsi...@gmail.commailto:vamsi...@gmail.com wrote: ** We can never know how the forces end up playing the cards. After all the links between ServiceNow and Remedy/BMC are not very distant. ServiceNow is a software-as-a-servicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_as_a_service (SaaS) provider of IT service managementhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_service_management (ITSM) software. It was founded in 2003 by Fred Luddyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_Luddyaction=editredlink=1, the previous CTO of Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems and Remedy Corporationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remedy_Corporation. The M in BMC John Jay Moores -- He founded BMC Softwarehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMC_Software in Texashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas in 1980 and was the lead venture capital financier for Peregrine Systemshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_Systems in California starting in 1981 as well as ServiceNowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow another California corporation founded in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Moores_(baseball) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServiceNow On Monday, May 6, 2013 9:46:58 AM UTC-7, arslist wrote: ** Peregrine bought the company, I guess they don’t exist anymore so I can’t be sued, to destroy it. It was competition they wanted eliminated, IMHO based on their actions and the words at the Peregrine Synergy conference I attended in 2002. Whilst this current buyout looks less sinister in those terms, we of course need to wait to see how it all plays out. There is some talk that it will split off the mainframe from the rest, but I haven’t heard any rumours about what they want to do with both pieces. I think the Remedy brand and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy
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is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi reme...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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and the ITSM product are too valuable for anyone to want to eliminate them, other than Service-Now, and I don’t think they have the financial resources to buy it. WWRUG13 is getting more and more interesting J [Oracle World is the Week before, lol]. Daniel *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: ars...@arslist.org] *On Behalf Of *William Rentfrow *Sent:* May 6, 2013 10:10 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I have $1 on this being Peregrine 2.0. *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ mailto:...@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *laurent matheo *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2013 8:37 AM *To:* ars...@arslist.org *Subject:* Re: huh? financial news for bmc ? ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvai...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi reme...@gmail.com wrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Time will tell. It is encouraging at the moment. I think many of us have experienced the financial machine placing itself between customers and products, the customer and product design, the customer and licensing. Let's not kid ourselves, there is still money involved. These companies don't invest unless they think they can make money but it seems this is a necessary step if BMC is going to survive. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Matt Laurenceau matt.laurenc...@gmail.comwrote: ** The Blog that Sylvain Yvon shared has been written by Mark Stousehttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1013839locale=en_UStrk=tyah . If you don't know Mark yet, he is the VP I mentioned in this blog posthttp://e20now.blogspot.fr/2013/01/should-every-post-be-approved.html, wanting *authenticity when blogging*. That's how he behaved these past months, with me directly and also on Social Networks https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013: authentic, sharing facts, and adding the Business perspective. I'm definitely confident that this transaction (if/when completed) will help us to be in *start-up mode* again (as most of you may know, I joined Remedy before the Peregrine acquisition days), allowing mid/long-term investments and flexibility that boost bigger innovation. Looking forward to WWRUG13, ~ Matt Laurenceau Sr Community Ambassador, BMC Communities http://bit.ly/MattProfiles Skype: matt.laurenceau On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:37 PM, laurent matheo lm...@me.com wrote: ** I just hope some guys I know at BMC will be ok after the buyout... This could good or this could be a disaster... On 06 May, 2013,at 03:32 PM, Sylvain YVON sylvain.y...@gmail.com wrote: ** https://communities.bmc.com/people/mstouse/blog/2013/05/06/bmc-software-writes-a-new-line-of-code-today?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, patrick zandi remedy...@gmail.comwrote: ** http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/06/bmc_buyout/ Buyout soon... -- Patrick Zandi _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- ~ Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities matthieu_laurenc...@bmc.com Follow me at @Matt_L https://twitter.com/matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
