Re: [art] Presentation at the OOoCon this morning = Next Steps
On Thursday 12 November 2009 11:30:51 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Bernhard, Hi Ivan, all, sorry for not replying earlier, but this week I'm more busy with my job than at other times... (even this reply will be short...) Like Ivan I'm sorry I haven't replied more fully. After my daughters wedding this weekend I'll be able make a little more sensible input. This discussion is too important to let lie. Cheers GL Ivan M schrieb: Hi Bernhard, all, On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] With regard to a new branding project I mentioned my interest in including people from the different projects - and this seems to be taken quite positively. Excellent! Then our next step could be to engage with these different projects to develop a framework/structure/scope for the new project. They will probably be able to offer valuable inputs about things we may not have considered yet. There are two things necessarily to be decided before the creation of a new incubator project: - the project mission statement - the project's name All the other decisions on the project could be done afterwards, but I don't think we should hurry anyway. As multi-project discussions are quite problematic (not all the mails are posted to all the relevant lists, some have to become moderated) - what do you think of a dedicated wiki page where we could collect the relevant thoughts and ideas? As an aside, did you get any comments specifically from Sun staff? I don't think we'll be able to get very far if they're not on board with us. All the Sun people I talked to agreed in the necessity to work together on a general branding. For Stefan Taxhet the first step before creating an entirely new set of branding artwork would be to look among the present artwork and define a general branding including these designs. I'm sorry that Stella has not been at Orvieto, but Stefan, Martin Hollmichel and others agree with me, that she should be involved in any development in that area. Perhaps there might be a chance for a face-to-face meeting at Hamburg during the next months... [...] The video documentation [4] will contain my session too at the end of the day. Unfortunately the live stream did not work for the room you were in (some of the others were working at the time), so I watched the video later on (I saw Christoph come up to talk to you before the presenation, so it's great that you were able to meet!) We stayed at the same hotel as neighbours... - you covered all the bases really well, especially at the beginning, with the comparison of the splash screens and various OOo website pages. That makes a very strong case for a new project to coordinate OOo's branding/identity. Thank you for the kind feedback :-) The people I talked to at Orvieto seemed to understand what I wanted to address, so I think, it has been a success. Thank you Bernhard for being the voice of the art project at OOoCon! It was great being there - I met a lot of people I only knew from the lists and had a really good time there. Perhaps there might be a chance at one of the next OOoCons to meet more people from the Art Project (or what ever it's new name will be...) Remember: Next year's OOoCon will be at Budapest, for 2011 and 2012 the Call for Locations will start in a few weeks. So if there is an active OOo group near one of you, talk to them. Perhaps we'll have a OOoCon at your place... Best regards Bernhard Regards, Ivan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] What should be discussed at the OOoCon new logo session?
On Monday 02 November 2009 06:49:48 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, I'd like to collect here the topics and thoughts you want me to take with me to Orvieto and discuss them with the community (at least with the people interested in my session on Friday morning 9:00 - 9:45h [1]). I think we should discuss: - the advantages and disadvantages of the present logo - the reasons why we started to collect ideas for a new logo - the necessity for a more general art and branding project (including the other relevant projects) - how we should start / find the people to work on the new project Any other ideas? Please specify your thoughts with regard to the points above... Best regards Bernhard First a few positives: 1) The present Logo has served us well 2) For all of the frequent whines at it's Clumsiness in normal conversation, OpenOffice.org has been and will remain being an excellent Brand 3) The differentiation between StarOffice and OOo is now becoming more obvious in the minds of our corporate partners, the very cool result of this is a much higher profile of corporate staffers on the lists and a consequent much stronger connection to the community 4) The a...@marketing project is stronger than at first appears evidenced by the response that significant tasks engender. A new Logo the reasons: 1) Next year is the 10 year anniversary of OOo, by my rough calculations we should have hit 200 million downloads of 3 considering the download rates remain at present levels without any upwards curve, and in fact the liklihood of hitting and passing the Quarter Billion mark is high 2) 4.0 is coming and if the ideas flying about in the Renaissance project and the UX lists is anything to go by, it is going to be a serious advance These are significant milestones that give us the opportunity to leverage a new look to our branding. The new look website has been a success in terms of our face to the community. There will be an expectation in the market for something significant to recognise 10 years, what better way than to launch a brand new logo and a brand new image. Past experience has shown us that high profile work (Splashscreens and so forth) bring people out of the woodwork, however there is not a constant workflow and so many of those people disappear. This means they are not immersed in the culture and the community. This has the result that often work submitted completely ignores conventions, history and corporate identity. This has the result that Community sourced artwork is perceived as somehow not up to standard and is consequently ignored and this attitude then extends to all people involved in the Art project. The most recent manifestation of this was the ODF Icon debacle. From my point of view, while ODF icons should be an option, making sure that OOo specific icons are on users desktops is more important from a OOo centric perspective. I would like to see community sourced iconsets available as extensions and iconsets that are installed as default should, at the very least, be approved by the community. I would like to see the Art project as a standalone project where it is first stop for any art requirements related to the whole project, including the NLCs, that way we could bring onboard artists who are working only for a single NLC at the moment. People will come if there are the opportunities to contribute in a significant manner, logos, iconsets, campaign materials, webart and so on Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Presentation of OOo Logo Ideas at Orvieto
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 11:23:02 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Seb, Sebastien Lanteigne schrieb: I didn't see the October 24 deadline. Is it too late for me to submit 2 more? I wrote it on the wiki and mentioned it here on the list [1], but I don't think that anybody started to create the posters by now. So from my personal side your uploads would be ok. What do the others think? Best regards Bernhard [1]: http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=artmsgNo=3859 I'm good Bernhard, you're the one getting it set up so it's up to you. Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Utopia (?) of a new Art Project ...
off arrivals. This is because there is a greater connection with the community and they are already in touch with the Corporate Consciousness and have participated in the discussions that lead to a final product. Simple things like those not in touch almost invariably leave the .org off. The idea is to recognise the concept of Community and that way longterm participation in the art project will lead to consistency. Make no bones that sometimes stuff that comes out of the corporate art departments can be less than perfect too... The ODF icons were a good example of that. [...] That has become somewhat problematic because it is no longer true. OOo's splash screen, icons and website [...] [...] reasonably consistent with each other. That's exactly what I imagine :-) (Starting to dream ... *g* ... representing the common ideals and goals of OOo) That's all we need, a discussion toward a comprehensive style guide that covers Website, documentation, stationery, visual interface and logo and a team of people who will own that and run with it. [...] I don't see any major problems in finding interested people once such a project will be active - but we need another precondition: Sun has to involve external artists in their decision finding process. At other projects this seems to work, so we'll see if there is a chance for the Art Project too. The main reason that the Art project goes through fluctuations is that there is little in the way of reward for the people who participate. Reward in an Open Source project is simple recognition. The Art project was gutted over the 2.0 splash screen when there was no recognition given to the community members and an All in policy was used without any discussion. A lot of good people just shrugged their shoulders and disappeared into the distance to more rewarding projects. The question they were asking themselves was Why bother contributing when you get ignored when there is chance to contribute significantly. You talk about Norman's Emotional Design, the same applies for designing _systems_. Especially when there is only an Emotional Return for the community member. +1. I won't be at OOoCon, but maybe you could see what people's reactions to a visual branding/identity/design/artwork project might be, in addition to the prospect of a new logo? I'm looking forward to a lot of discussions on the broader topic - the new logo proposals are just a starting point... Big +1 to that Have a nice day, Christoph cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Ideas for a new OOo logo
Hi Art! I've uploaded four logo designs here; http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Visual_Concept_Proposals#Nikash_SINGH As with everyone else's, they're not polished final works, (constructive) feedback is welcome. Every Design has an accompanying in-context image (of the logo as it might appear on stationery). All Designs are in vector, all use Liberation Sans(which has been carefully kerned per-glyph). And I spent quite some time sketching out meaningful ideas, which I hope you'll like. I especially like the freehand Overlapping Os. I looked at that concept a while back but mine just kept coming out looking like targets! :/ Nothing as good as this. Not so down with the flying laptop, but I like the other two. Not sure how well the flying chair would age but I love the unique shape it would give when scaled. The last one is interesting as much for it's colour as anything else, although I really like the graphic as well. Blue is a sophisticated colour but not eye catching in the same way as the Yellow/gold/orange part of the colour spectrum and I've often wondered if changing it would be advantageous I also like the reversed S graphic on the stationery. It follows a strong element from the website graphic and is very striking. Good stuff -Nik Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Linux.conf.au
On Monday 12 October 2009 13:02:58 Sebastien Lanteigne wrote: Hi, Not to take the focus off OOoCon but I'm planning to attend Linux.conf.au in Wellington, NZ next January. I was wondering if there was any Openoffie.org activity happening there or if we could organise something. Seb. Hi Seb, Most definitely, I'll be getting a setup at the open day hopefully. Let's keep in touch and I'll see you there Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Ideas for a new OOo logo to be presented at Orvieto?
On Saturday 10 October 2009 23:12:42 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Graham, * Graham Lauder schrieb: All, Couldn't help myself, I had to post this :D http://www.logodesignlove.com/best-logo-design-tutorial-ever LOL - it's BRILLIANT! Thanks Bernhard I swear some of my clients read it before I did. :D Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Ideas for a new OOo logo to be presented at Orvieto?
On Friday 09 October 2009 10:57:21 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, I started to create a wiki page at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Visual_Concept_Proposals I included the time frame Graham proposed: End of logo upload on 24th of October. Is this OK for you? Please improve the page, comment and upload your drafts... Best regards Bernhard All I've put two up, linked to the source SVG as well. Please feel free to screw with them and make them better, others (a little more extreme) in the pipe line. Jens has put one up as well which is really wicked! Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] Ideas for a new OOo logo to be presented at Orvieto?
On Thursday 08 October 2009 10:52:11 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Graham, Jens, all, Graham Lauder schrieb: On Thursday 08 October 2009 03:26:50 Jens Habermann wrote: Hi! A short time frame for sure, but I will contribute my ideas over next weeks. Until we have a main wiki site for this task, I will place images on my wiki user site http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JensGH Jens Let's start it in a dedicated part of the wiki. Start a new page called New_logo_proposals or pizza_order or whatever just so long as we keep it all together. + 1 Rules? CC license? I would prefer LGPL. LGPL it is then If any of the proposals (I'd call them design ideas for the moment) would be integrated in the main product some day, it's license should be compatible with the product. Design ideas Design Concepts or Conceptual Branding. All sound good seeing as how haven't actually had an RFP! :) and any text has to be in a Free font, no nonfree fonts allowed? +1 That looks like enough From marketing POV and with regard to visual (corporate) identity I'd like to see some more points to be taken into account: - the logo should look serious and professional (remember that governments and large - provide graphical elements that can be used for our branding - please don't alienate users and supporters of OOo who feel familiar with the present logo. Some kind of recognition might be appropriate IMHO. Let's let it be free as we possibly can at the moment, I think everyone will have the above in mind in any case so it goes without saying. At this point in the process we are dealing with the Show Version like carmakers do for car shows. It probably won't make it to production exactly as is but it may influence it broadly. Should we make an effort to put them in context as well. Like as it is on the website, stationery, webbanners? I'd keep with the logo - time is short already. Are we going to stick with the blue corporate color? I'd like to see the OOoblue (RGB 6,52, 140) as part of the logo - this would help us to keep at least parts of our visual identity... Best regards Bernhard The other option is come up with a couple schemas and then we all have a shot at variations on that theme. So for instance (and please everyone feel free to shoot these down and substitute your own) Use the present Icon colours only and 6-52-140 A Gull type bug and/or the reverse S and use the liberation font set. And we set a time frame... say two weeks from today to have something nailed down. I would suggest also making notes of your design inspirations and reasoning in the same way as you would if you were doing a branding pitch to a client. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] OOoCon09 impress templates.
Hi Bernhard, As I don't know about the license of the OOoCon09 logo (I assume proprietary like the OOo logo it contains), licensing is a bit unclear as every time the OOo logo is involved. Officially every presenter has to ask for approval at the logo list and if anybody wants to re-use their presentation, (s)he has to ask too. I don't think this makes much sense. I see that there are open issues regarding the license, but it's very important to me that projects take no harm due to the planned trademark license. I propose that as long as the logo is not modified by any means (except minor changes like size), it can be used for the purpose of OOoCon presentations, just like we had it all the years before. This includes generating templates and presentations as well as showing and distributing them. I think that we need no information about the trademark status inside the documents, so we can just go on as the last years. How does that sound to you? Florian Frankly I'm with Nik, the Logo license is a nightmare, our opposition updates their logo with every new version and we are still locked into our original logo from the start. Their marketing people say we are still locked back with Office 97 and we reinforce that attitude in peoples minds by continually recycling our old logo. And on top of that, from a Philosophical POV we use a Non-Free font. How about this for an Idea. We, the Art Project, produce a whole pile of alternative OOo Logos, then the speakers can choose the ones they individually like for their presentations. Who knows the people at Conf might see one really cool one and say: We should have that as our Logo. Conf is the place for breaking new ideas after all, let's extend that to the artwork. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. Ambassador for OpenSUSE Linux on your Desktop INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] VOTE for Official Artwork - CD labels [was:] Opinions about OOo3 CD label drafts?
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:29:02 Lisa Y wrote: Oh, okay sure thing. That was my first time replying and I wasn't sure if I should flood everyone on the mailing list with a new email. Hi Lisa, Welcome to the list. Most things are done on the list because opensource projects are collaborative and in fact many of us would tend to think long and hard before communicating offlist and that's generally, because it's about something that we may not want the whole list to read. Also a small maillist etiquette thing, it is preferred when replying that people don't Top-post That is: Post with your reply at the top of the previous message. We like to know which parts of the previous post you are referring to, so please post comments inline. Thanks Cheers GL On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi Lisa, would you mind posting this mail to the mailing list ( art@marketing.openoffice.org)? Or should I send it there? As coordination on artwork is meant to be done collaboratively there I'd prefer public replies on the list over private mails. But if you don't want your mail to be posted publicly on the list, it's ok for me - please just tell me. Lisa Y wrote: In reply to the subject of CD covers; I think the first one looks better(+1), since the horizontal wave runs more parallel to the OpenOffice.org logo. The second one however, seems unbalanced to me at first glance because the colors and and the opensource label doesn't weigh out the left side. The imbalance stems from the more textual concept of the PrOOo-Box CD label (to be seen at [1]) - I just removed the texts... Best regards Bernhard [...] [1]: http://www.prooo-box.org/cover.html -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] I'm back - after pausing for nearly two years
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:12:33 Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hello to all of you - some will remember me, for others I'm just a new member in the Art Project - I've been quite active here until February 2007, when I decided to stop my OOo activities for (as I thought) six months in order to become a specialized anaesthesist. Last year I reached this goal, but I moved from Hamburg to Klagenfurt (Austria), so it took a bit more time to find the time for OpenOffice.org again. I'm trying to find a better balance between project and real life than two years ago - but who knows... If I can support you, please tell me. Best regards Bernhard Bernhard, Most excellent to see you back on the list. Congratulations on achieving your specialisation Cheers Graham -- The Best Things in life are 3 http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: art-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: art-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [art] generating EPS and TIFF files in PMS and CMYK
On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 11:26 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, Christophe kindly sent me the version 3 logo for adding it to the gallery page, but he doesn't know how to generate EPS and TIFF files in PMS and CMYK. I don't do either, so could anyone of you do that? I can send Christophes files and you could do the conversion. Thanks Florian I can do them in CMYK without too much issue, but it's better generating the CMYK from the PMS. Cheers G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Open Opportunities ltd. Open Technologies Training and Migration Consultants http://www.openopportunities.co.nz http://openoffice.org http://www.opensuse.org OOoGear: For the Well dressed OOo Advocate http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art][OOo3] Potential Icons for OOo 3
On Saturday 12 January 2008 22:28:29 Ivan M wrote: Hi all, I was using Linux (ubuntu) on my university's computers and noticed the OpenOffice.org application icons: http://patentpending.co.nz/images/openoffice/icons/ubuntu-icons.png (two different variations based on chosen theme). The splash screen featured no Sun logo or any smallprint and had a light-brown sky instead of the usual blue (if that helps identify the particular distribution). Anyway, I thought that these icons looked great. With a few modifications, I they could become the icons for OOo v3 - the top row could be the basis for the document file icons, and the bottom row could be the application icons. They convey what each application does much better than the v2 icons in which a more abstract symbol and the coloring of the icon are used as the indicators of the application's use, so IMO, they are easier to distinguish. They are also more modern looking and use warm, inviting colors. Does anyone know who made these icons? The top ones look like variations on the old Vers 1.x OpenOffice icons The bottom ones seem to be variations on the standard gnome iconset for OOo. Ubuntu uses Gnome as it's default desktop so hence., certainly nothing new about them. Personally I prefer the ones we use, but that's just me. Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Action statements
On Friday 21 December 2007 15:07:50 Alexandro Colorado wrote: I made a detail talk about changing the aproach floss and OOo has to promote itself. Basically promoting the product is bad and instead we should promote the experience. We should avoid caging ourselves on the product and focus on the user. This will be the blueprint for the new ES site. Hi Alexandro, Expand please, this sounds an interesting concept. Not sure that it would work in this case but I'd be interested i hearing the rationale Cheers G - Original message - From: :murb: [maarten brouwers] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: art@marketing.openoffice.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu Dec 20 2007 05:19:45 PM CST Subject: [art] Action statements Hi art and website folks, Are there still people who definitely think that the action statements approach is a bad approach? I feel like Graham, and to some extend I, have been able to convince most of you, but please say it now if you heartedly disagree with this approach, and please say why. To me the convincing argument /for/ the action statement approach is as follows: Basically there are many relatively experienced MS Office users out there who don't have a clue about how to download and install something. Furthermore, while other people may have quite some experience in browsing, installing software is something relatively a small percentage of the internet-connected people do. The main target group for this redesign were exactly these users, which is probably the largest group of potential new users. Guiding them carefully, using these action statements, could help them a lot, it works reassuring. It is demonstrated in the following designs, one of which partly won the vote. But with the recent vote I didn't ask you to pay any attention to the content, but only to pay attention to the style: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Proposals#Action_statement _based You could compare these designs to the designs listed at that page above this heading. I reported to Louis (in private) already that if we agree on the action statement based approach, then currently this screenshot: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/mwiki/images/6/66/Murb_homepageproposal 1_homepage_normal.png is the best design so far, on which we will base our future iterations, when both homepage-content and style is considered. It a) is based on Ivan's OOo minimalist and b) I felt we already kind of agreed now on the action statement approach. Of course there is still the need for some additional sub pages, but if we can agree on e.g. this design, or a better one, that would already be a huge leap forward in the process. Or am I pushing own opinion too much now? If so, please do say so soon... we need to make progress! (and if you are 'pro' action statements, and you see only negative replies, please share your views too with the community, it is about getting our opinions aligned). Maybe someone could also consider whether it adheres to the rough requirements we wrote down here: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Requirements g., Maarten -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Action statements
On Friday 21 December 2007 17:42:49 Rex Hollingsworth wrote: I partially agree with the action statement based content. My only issue with it is that we're over-branding the page with OpenOffice.org. On the single Murb page, there's 13 mentions of OO.o. That seems a bit steep for me.-RH Hi Rex I have no problem with that. This is a marketing exercise more than anything else. Brand recognition is reinforced by repetition. Each mention is reasonable within it's context and each vistor is only going to read it once and then only the bits that are relevant to that user. It looks like a lot because we, who are creating it read it, from necessity, over and over. However, the new arrival will read the Action Statements until they arrive at the one that resonates with them and then they may read the subtext. So in fact it's only a matter 6 or 7 times. but probably more likely 3 or 4. After that they'll just hit the Second Line of Text and won't read it at all unless they decide to go to a different destination Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Re: [website-dev] Re: [art] Decide on visual appearance [update]
On Monday 17 December 2007 01:35:55 :murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote: Hi, Graham wrote: We seem to have people voting all over the place because not all interested parties are subscribed to the Art list. Perhaps it may be better to use the wiki to do the voting Actually I would like to ask everyone to keep their votes on the art list. In the first place because I never intended this as a voting round on the overall, e.g. user, experience, but one on nothing but the branding, the visual identity. The latter is imho something the art community is 'responsible' for and I would prefer to keep it like that. rationale by=User:Murb I understand that many people like to think about the visual identity of the website, also because it involves emotion as well, but this voting has been preceded by much discussion at the art list, something others may have missed. Maybe I am a bit rigorous in drawing lines between the several projects, but I also want to stimulate people to keep the discussion in a single place. Besides, it is something the people at the art list have to work with. If, hypothetically speaking, one proposal wins that is not favoured by those, or most, participating actively in the art community, where does it leave them? The design of the website (should) also flows back again into the general branding of all OOo material (e.g. OOo3) This sub group of marketing has been started, if I see it correctly, to brand OOo visually. If you heartedly disagree with the way things are going there, join them, it is not a closed group. I cc'ed the website-dev group for the simple reason that I wanted to keep them up to date about the current state of affairs (Louis asked me to 'lead' the overall website redesign process a bit). Anyhow, politics aside, if it stays limited to [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ux, I will be able to do the counting, but I'd like to urge everyone to also monitor the art mailing list ;) /rationale Fair comment, if you're happy with that then all is good! :) g., Maarten Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Decide on visual appearance [update]
On Saturday 15 December 2007 11:02:38 :murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote: -sorry for bothering again, I forgot a few designs- Hi Arties :) (I cc'ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] for their information, please vote on the art mailinglist only, this is only about visual identity, which I believe is an [EMAIL PROTECTED] issue, and not so much a [EMAIL PROTECTED] issue) Hi Maarten, We seem to have people voting all over the place because not all interested parties are subscribed to the Art list. Perhaps it may be better to use the wiki to do the voting We could use the Discussion Tab on the wiki page and get everyone just to simply do the four tilde wiki signing next to their favourite. The changes log will allow us to keep an eye on anyone screwing with the process. (Unlikely I know but shit happens) That would allow us to include all the stakeholders in the vote in one place so it's not dependant on Mail list subscription. Although right now there seems to be a clear winner emerging, perhaps for the future. Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
is: What is this? We go back to our Hyper-mart shopper walking off the street. Walks through the door and asks What is this? [1] The greeter then says This is Hyper mart, [2] where can I direct you? [3] I want to go to Hardware[4] The process for the greeter is: Answer, then open ended question. Why? because the alternative, just the answer, is a Dead end. This then requires the User to think of another question, which is a barrier.. Back to the webpage, but we.ve changed from an aural interface to a text and graphic interface: What is this? Click [1] The page loads and there is the OOo Logo, the answer to the users question[2]the greeter's follow-up question is unspoken but obvious, because . The simple fact that the links are there is asking the Where can I direct you Question [3] The user answers the unspoken question with I want . Recognition of the answer that he is forming in his mind will draw him to click that link.[4] It could even save the user a click and get them to where they want faster (i.e. If the user is there to get help, we could suggest a few of the most common support solutions instead of just sending them straight to support.openoffice.org page straight away. For developers contributors/participators, we could offer links to the wiki, the contributing page, etc). The trick is to get them out of the doorway as quickly as possible. One of the problems with the Home page right now is that it tries to be all things to all people. By getting people quickly to the page that most suits there needs we are much better able to satisfy those needs because they are more specific. Sure, have a collection of most commonly asked questions on the first Support page, but what we're talking about here is a splash page. The user is here no longer than a few seconds. Perhaps the the 5th answer could be I want to see a Sitemap That could give Cognoscenti more comprehensive list of links to wiki and so forth. The trick is to get them out of the doorway as quickly as possible, yes. But there's enough space there to offer more options. More options mean more time. Options they don't need at this point. We give them more options further in where it's much more appropriate. Here is an example of what I mean: for the participate section, we could have the heading I would like to help (using a reworded action statement, though I still don't think that would make a good heading, but for the purposes of this illustration, it'll do.) Right under it, we could offer some options: - first time participating? [link]start here[/link] - or jump straight to the [link]projects page[/link], - go through to the [link]wiki[/link] - or head over to [link]some other option[/link]. ... 2 or 3 options would be enough. No that is the next level where the the User can make the decision amongst all the options available from the specific area. Marketing's not my area of expertise, and we've had limited (but significant) input on this list. I don't want to pretend that I know what's best for the site or its users - has this discussion been posted on the marketing list? If more people got in on the discussion (and took stances), a solution would be easier - that's not to say that the discussion shouldn't continue here with the people who have already contributed, but rather get more people into it. - Ivan. Heh, I've already gone through this process on the Website list, now on the Art list, now I'll have to go through it all on the Marketing list. I'm mindful of the time constraints but I'm perfectly willing I should point out that I had no input into the last Website design even though I was around. I didn't at that stage feel that I had sufficient knowledge of the Project as a whole to be able to make what I would call reasonable suggestions. Now I know a little more. I know that marketing effort using conventional methods and conventional homepage has not worked. I know that the prime motivation for this new design is to increase downloads. I know that despite Web Designer protestations to the opposite, this is a marketing exercise I know our users a little better Hence this time I put my hand up because I can't see any change in the Homepage's structure, just more of the same just prettier. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
help us revamping the main page, when the rest doesn't change. Which is why any attempt to redesign the main page should provide a default style sheet that helps the individual projects to give their pages a consistent and appealing look as well. Rigidly consistent isn't necessary. Consistent style is. Why are we treating these users as if this is the first Website they've ever been to? Even assuming they're very new to the web, they've encountered at least a dozen Websites before ours OOo is indeed probably not their first website, but it is not so likely that they have encountered a download site before, it is a completely different category that involves ideas about drives, folders, viruses, installing, space, bandwidth. With browsing a random news site, an online marketplace, an online e-mail provider, you don't have to care about this. See...and how does I want to download OpenOffice.org help in that regard? Andre sorry you are ignoring completely the rationale behind it all. You can't take One line out of the whole just to make it look silly. The Newbie Maarten is talking about above would NOT click the I want to Download Openoffice link and it's not there for him to click Let me repeat. They are a group of options that appeal to the broadest possible base of likely visitors to the site. They do NOT stand alone. I will reiterate once again I want to download Openoffice.org now (That was the original wording) = The Regular OpenOffice.org User who is coming for an upgrade. He knows EXACTLY what he wants. I want to learn more about OpenOffice.org = This is for your Newbie arrival. This link would send them to the Why page I want help with my OpenOffice.org =This User already has it installed I want to help OpenOffice.org or I want to contribute or whatever = Sophisticated User We will still have a download page behind it. And it is the download page that needs thinking about if you want to deal with the issue you just mentioned. Or otherwise avoiding it via a one-click download as you brought up on webdev again. Agreed, all those pages that I suggested that the links be aimed at need updating. Why to make it readable Support to make it less confusing Contribute is pretty good right now Download ... well everyone agrees! :) - Text only (Large) yes please! ;-) Let's do it in Writer, shell we? I think the whole text only thing (read text-focussing) thing isn't a bad approach. It's a good one. Download OpenOffice.org Learn more About Opensource? Can I find here learn more about how to work with styles? Need help? I need help in understanding what? How to Join Join what? Why should I join? This is not a community, is it? Extend OpenOffice.org Gosh, is this website some kind of facebook? I agree that those wordings must be improved, but the worst possible case scenario you're constructing here isn't a very likely one. André. Actually I think it's more likely than you give it credit for -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
to the homepage that suits them best quickly. - Ivan. - Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
On Thursday 13 December 2007 10:55:17 Ivan M wrote: Hi all, www.patentpending.co.nz/images/openoffice/siteconcept-actionsplash.png Throw in a gradient background and a few (graphic) design elements/artwork and it might look somewhat decent and not like an 'under construction' page. From what you wrote, that seems to be (to me) what you're arguing for, not something like the design above. - Ivan. Oh and I forgot to say, I like the order you've put them in much better for the user. Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Minimalist Version of Something Completely Different
On Thursday 13 December 2007 14:53:13 RJ Gilson wrote: Greetings All, The same design as before, built around the four statements: I want to learn more about OpenOffice.org. I want to download OpenOffice.org now. I want help with my OpenOffice.org. I want to help OpenOffice.org. The link bar and download button have been removed. The content boxes could also be elongated to push the footer 'below the fold' so it's not part of the first impression of the page Wiki: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Website/Proposals#Visual_design_pr oposals Full Size Image: http://fission1.free-web-hosting.biz/OOo_Web/completely/minimal.html Hmm this actually provides another slant at the concept. A couple of two line selling points beneath action statement. Say under the Learn More statement. Learn why OpenOffice.org is the best Office Software for you. Learn how you too can get this fantastic software for free. Under the download now statement perhaps shortcuts to the Platform versions Mac, windows and Linux symbols like you have in the previous version Under Need Help perhaps a direct link to the Forum at user.services and one to Documentation Under the Contribute Code, Cash or Community, OpenOffice.org needs you! Cool I like it, there is definitely a way to work with that. Definitely an option. I'd shoot the Gull though :) but only because of download on Dialup. And it looks a little XPish.. I think. But that might just be me and given the CI I'm not sure how you'd get around it. :( Otherwise good stuff. -Randy Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
or Doodlewoods You have to make a conscious effort NOT to make assumptions. You can't assume that everyone thinks like you. You make an assumption that everyone will add the words that will make sense out of what you have put up there. The only thing we know for certain at the moment is that the front page is not turning visitors into downloaders. We need to change how we do it. What you and everyone else is suggesting is more of the same, we simply shuffle it about with new graphics, that's not a solution it's merely a decimal upgrade. The problem i see with your whole argumentation is that you are treating each sentence/point as a single one. From that premise yes, it makes a lot of sense to me that each sentence provides it own context then and each sentense isn't that hard to get and so on. But we are talking about a whole page here and about five of these sentences next to each other in some way. the purpose of that particular page being guiding the user to other pages. Nothing more. We want to show the user where to find what. He needs an easy way to separate the content of that page from one another. I think you're talking about a full page like Why, I'm talking about a splash page. We don't want people to take in a whole page, it defeats the purpose. The home page at this point, is the foyer to our factory, by using the action statements we give the arrival a fixed number of clearly defined doors to walk through. That's it. Each door then leads to the page You're talking about which has lots on info and context about the place. We already have a context in the whole page. No need to provide one anymore. And our sentences or whatever need to work in relation to one another rather than as single entities out of any context or relation. Yes but context has to be Read in, just like words or sentences. This Splash page is not about selling content it's about simple decisions. You're talking about people hanging about, I'm not. They should be on this page for no more than a few seconds. At this point we set them up to make a decision, that decision informs us as to what information and context we should give them. Then the next page they hit we give them what that signal told us. André. OK I'll try to summarise again cos I'm obviously not getting this through. We have several pages which do completely different jobs. Why Download Support Contribute Almost invariably, everyone comes to the front page to get the thing that one of these pages supplies, they either: Want to learn about OOo (This person is curious probably short attention span and possibly the most unsophisticated of our 4 groups) Want to just go in and Download (This person knows what he wants already) Want Help (This person is possibly a little confused but needs to be here) or they want to contribute (This person will be the most tolerant, they're a convert.) The Curious Person is the new Downloader. He is the one we're targeting. The task of the front page is to get him to the Why page as quickly as possible because the Why page is by far the most likely content to turn the curious visitor into happy Downloader. Of the four groups the Curious visitors connection to the site is the weakest. So we have to make the decisions easy All they have to do is take up an offer from the positively worded statements that we provide for them. Remember, the question is always: What Next! Single words without assumed content around them are just confusing, the user is simply fishing for context . What Next is asked subconsciously for the most part, all we're doing is supplying a group of answers in a Multi choice sort of way One each for the four most likely visitors or perhaps 5 if we add extensions to the splash page. The main thing is the action statements are unambiguous, simple understandable to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of English and the whole meaning can be grasped in an instant. I know what I'm suggesting is radical, but we need radical. We can do marketing campaigns by the dozen, but the results of the last two big ones have been dismal. We KNOW that people are landing, but the downloads aren't increasing. That has to come back to the website design. The last major change to the Homepage made zero difference to downloads, it was all down to the launch of 2.0. And still the only thing that increases downloads is a new release. (and this is not breaking news, I'm just paraphrasing what Louis has said a myriad of times) In Behavioural science and Pedagogical terms this is not at all radical, in fact it's very mainstream Cheers G PS: Many thanks for a reasoned and considered response -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
On Friday 07 December 2007 23:01:16 Nikash V. SINGH wrote: Oh yes, I forgot, The opinions of 3 different people who actually MAKE webpages and use the OOo website Graham LOUDER's opinion. What on earth made me think this was an open forum in the first place?... my bad. -Nik *sigh* Now you're resorting to ad hominem attacks. No more please. It just demeans the discussion. - Original Message From: Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: art@marketing.openoffice.org Sent: Friday, 7 December, 2007 8:14:25 PM Subject: Re: [art] Wake up ART! On Friday 07 December 2007 20:13:04 Nikash V. SINGH wrote: Oh THANK GOD for André WYRWA, I was sitting here thinking everything you just said, thinking I was the only one thinking so... André Wyrwa wrote: ...snip snip... On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 21:56 +0100, :murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote: a) Download is moved in a sidebar, hardly noticable I don't think that's a bad thing. Was it on webdev where someone recently made a point about motivating people to download being more important than throwing the download button in their face? I think the actual button only needs to be easy enough to find...making it bigger doesn't motivate more...the rest of the page must be what motivates to actually click on it. I really couldn't agree more that being smacked in the face with a big DOWNLOAD button is as annoying as any pop-up ad. I'm not sure all Marketing people see this because it achieves their purposes of being LOUD and CLEAR, but at what cost to user experience?. Who wants to download something they know nothing about? and if they know all about it, they'll be able to find a clear link on the homepage whether it's smacking them in the face or not. Whether you like it or not, it's marketing that gets people to the download page. In the last campaign we spent a considerable sum getting people to the download page. Now we know they got there because we only had to pay when people clicked the link or the key word. Problem was it didn't convert into downloads And I should add that the marketing guys you seem to be keen on disparaging had nothing to do with the design of those pages. A lot of marketing people however had input into the why page. [.] Distinguished content is download vs. learn more about. Compare the amounts of characters that actually help the user navigate to those that say...nothing(?). See what i'm getting at? I agree. Short phrases like the ones you mentioned do the same job in less time. Someone wanting to get a quick overview of what the site offers can do so more easily with options like learn more or download. I think it's important to keep in mind that it isn't always GRAPHICS that clutter up a page, repetitive TEXT is as much to blame for that. Wrong, pedagogical evidence and all sorts of Human Behaviour sciences will tell you different. Graphics attract attention, they do not inspire people to take action, words do. People don't read words on their own they read context. New person in new place has to read context into any short phrase or single word, THAT takes time. b) why the why, how, what questions, could you try the suggestions by Graham (slightly edited by me? I'm under the impression that the whole why, how, what thing comes from my why.openoffice.org page approach, where i introduced those. I agree that for the main page a different wording would be better. That why.OpenOffice.org page really IS something =). With as much relevance to Office documents as TABs have, how come OOo doesn't use them more frequently? André. Relieved to know I wasn't the only one concerned about those issues. -Nik -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:33:08 :murb: [maarten brouwers] wrote: Hi, Hi Maarten, As I said before, I'm not someone who starts designing upfront, without thinking about what should be on it, I like to think about it. On the other hand, reasoning doesn't lead to actual websites as well, for which designers are much welcomed. For me, however, it is sometimes hard to judge the quality of the design when I do not know what to expect what happens. What is the flow ;) [1] g., Maarten [1] http://alistapart.com/articles/designingforflow That is a cool article, everything that they talk about the 37 signals page for instance is what I like about the why.openoffice.org page. Andre used a lot of the same principles and it has really good flow to it. Blocks of text that inform without overwhelming, sequenced in a smooth manner through the page and in deeper as well. Excellent. What we're dealing with here tho is a splash page. To me the flow should be to get the user past it as quickly as possible. It should only really show for a matter of seconds then click off to Download or Why or support or whatever. I am beginning to agree about retaining a consistent look from the splash to the next level at least. It comes back to the context thing, If a page is completely different then the new user has to reestablish, or reconnect with the context so I can see where you're coming from there. I'm not sure how difficult that would be with the why page I dare say Andre would have the best idea about that cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Fast help needed: Outlining EPS files
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 06:47:06 Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Rex, We could do that, or you could try out Stanford's engine: thanks a lot! The files are located at http://pumbaa.ooodev.org/~floeff/merchandising/mousepads/ in the de and en subdirectory. You have EPS, JPG and original PSDs there. If you could convert the PSD to EPS outlined, that would be great! Thanks Florian EPS is a very flaky format. Even Adobe's products (Photoshop and Illustrator) can't agree how to handle it and pump out different versions. I've popped the two files onto my site http://ooogear.co.nz/OOo_Mousepad_EN.eps http://ooogear.co.nz/OOo_Mousepad_DE.eps These are produced in Inkscape From TIFFs exported from Photoshop, so I'm not sure how they'll go.. I have some other files produced in CorelDraw from the PS files. If the above don't work, we can try those. However I only have dialup so uploading 2 x 27 mb files is a major shit. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Wake up ART!
On Thursday 29 November 2007 20:18:36 Ivan M wrote: Hi all, Here is a simple concept based on Nikash's second concept. It's much more simple and much less bright and colorful: http://www.patentpending.co.nz/images/openoffice/siteconcept1.png I haven't taken the time to add colorful buttons and graphics - it might look gray and drab now, but add a few icons and buttons and I think it'll be colorful enough (i.e. the download button could be yellow/orange). This variation would be much quicker loading than one using photos (though there's nothing to say photos couldn't be used - it'd just be more of a problem in terms of catering for different screen widths) and simple to code. Cheers, Ivan. Hi Ivan, Love the look, very clean. Fits the CI really well Like Maarten I'm not convinced about the content of the Buttons but I like the style of them Very good indeed Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[art] Title Graphic for the New Users Forum
The guys on the Users list have launched the new forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ Drew Jensen hacked up a Graphic but would really like if the art project would submit some new header graphics to make the forum look lively and welcoming and professional. Probably a good idea at this point would be something celebrating the launch of the new Users Forum. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Title Graphic for the New Users Forum
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 00:47:08 Graham Lauder wrote: The guys on the Users list have launched the new forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ Ooops 500 x 66 please Cheers G -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Usage Question
On Thursday 15 November 2007 05:54:24 RJ Gilson wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know what Sun's guidelines are for using the S-Curve, or other OOo graphics? Thanks, Randy Hey Randy The S Curve is the used in relation to StarOffice. Along with the Butterfly and Star they are the major SO Bugs The Curve was reversed first in the original iconset of OOo 2 and was consequently referred to as the Icon curve to differentiate it from the S Curve. Not a name I would have picked... But hey :) (Maybe we need to rename it, to make it a more sexy bug so it gets used more.) However, the S curve is an essential part of Sun Corporate Branding rather than only a StarOffice Bug. OOo only got it's version by accident via the Icons. I think it's use needs to be expanded. The Sun Guys would have put much thought into it's grunt as a branding item. Then they basically gifted it to us. :) Unfortunately (although you could say fortunately from a designers POV) there is nothing in the Design Guides WRT the Icon Curve, either the OOo ones or the available StarOffice ones... This one is a 2003 vintage http://specs.openoffice.org/ui_in_general/icons/IconDesignGuide.pdf Frankly I think that noone thought of it as a bug, it was just a cute design element on the icons that grew to what it is now. :) As far as I know, and I have read every design guide associated with SO and OOo that has been made available since I joined the project back in the whenever, I have seen no guidelines or restrictions. (That is not to say that Stella hasn't perhaps updated her 2003 piece and it hasn't been made available. Matthias would know, or he could just walk down the hall and ask! :) ) The restrictions on the logo are set in stone. The Icon Curve AFAIK is free territory. In Logos perhaps the best demo of how Sun uses the S Curve is here http://logos.sun.com/logosite.jsp?Category=third However that's only logos. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Image Request
On Thursday 15 November 2007 08:32:05 RJ Gilson wrote: --- John McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try: http://ooo.nicubunu.ro/otto/ John -- John McCreesh Marketing Project Lead OpenOffice.org Thanks John, just what I was looking for! Randy Hey Randy, What sort of VG editor do you use? If you open up Nicu's Otto in Inkscape you will find that he is very easily manipulated using the standard iIlustration Tools. Nicu created his version using multiple layers in Inkscape.(Otto was originally created by an Italian school girl, Andrea Maggioni ) Bitmap editors like the GIMP or Photoshop can't see those layers and so you end up starting from a Raster Graphic which is really limiting. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Posting art to OOo Site.
On Monday 12 November 2007 07:08:44 RJ Gilson wrote: Hello Graham, --- Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've started an OOoArt Contributors Page at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt_Art_Contributions I was wondering if there is a file size limit? Randy Hey Randy, Not that I know of but I'm on Dialup so I make sure I don't test that sort of thing :) For big files I would upload two. One that was rendered in a compressed format and sized to display on screen . (For bitmaps I prefer PNG but jpg is cool too) then upload the larger version and put a link to that with the first. Then at least people on dialup can see the image and make a decision if they want to download the large one but they're not forced to if they want to view your art. However having said all that, right now the process is about the T-Shirts so really the only source images we are going to need are the those ones that are going to be used. Unless you are going to collaborate with someone on creating an image then there's probably no point in putting up heaps of XCF or PSD files. If however you are wanting others to have a go at modifying your original in true opensource fashion then definitely yes upload the source, I'll curse my dialup but cheer the attitude! :) Cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[art] Posting art to OOo Site.
Greetings all, Just a heads up for those contributing art to the project. There is a facility for anyone, as long as they're registered of course, to upload art to the OOo wiki. I've started an OOoArt Contributors Page at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt_Art_Contributions At the moment the only Gallery in there is mine. It's simple to set up your own. In the first panel of the page down the right hand side, there is a menu with a number of links. Beneath the Contributors Pages there is only Yorick right now. To add yourself to the list and get your own page, click the Edit link at the bottom of that panel and add your name below Contributors Pages. Just copy the syntax around my name and substitute your own, leaving mine there of course :). Use the Show Preview to check all is well. At this point it will just show the panel. If you name is in the menu then we're all good. Click Save Page. If you then click on your name you should be taken to a blank page.ready to be edited. The Upload file link is on the left of the page. Have fun Cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Posting art to OOo Site.
On Sunday 11 November 2007 18:49:16 Graham Lauder wrote: Greetings all, Just a heads up for those contributing art to the project. There is a facility for anyone, as long as they're registered of course, to upload art to the OOo wiki. I've started an OOoArt Contributors Page at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt_Art_Contributions OOps I forgot to mention, please put '''[[OOoArt Art_Contributions| Back to Contributors Main Page]]''' at the top of your new page. That adds a link back to the Contributors main page. Have fun Cheers Yo and again Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] website-dev could use some help
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 11:11, Kay Schenk wrote: Hello art folks-- I'm on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list and we're sort of in the process of attempting to come up with a new home page for the main site, to be followed by updates to underlying pages as well, of course. Anyway, we are currently reviewing a mockup by Filip Molcon. http://www.molcan.cz/download/ooo-mockup2.jpg Might any of you be interested in helping out with a replacement for the middle pic here, essentially a more interesting Download button, that would say Get OpenOffice and would... * be green as opposed to blue background * would somehow incorporate our beloved seagull? I would like to include the icon curve as well, but that's just me :) I have no idea about sizing of these images by the way, BTW. approx 415 px high by 300 px wide Thanks for any help. You could just e-mail me individually and I will pass along. Many of us subscribe to both, Would you like to open a new issue where we can upload the images or I can do that if you wish. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] website-dev could use some help
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 11:26, Sebastien Lanteigne wrote: On 10/23/07, Kay Schenk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello art folks-- [...] Anyway, we are currently reviewing a mockup by Filip Molcon. http://www.molcan.cz/download/ooo-mockup2.jpg Nice Might any of you be interested in helping out with a replacement for the middle pic here, essentially a more interesting Download button, that would say Get OpenOffice and would... Why? As far as I'm concerned this is the most interesting visual element in the page. I'd change the caption on it but not the image. Heh, not our decision, but I for one don't like it a lot even though I think the concept of the page as a whole is great. The image looks burdensome, it communicates great effort. Not the sort of thing that we want to communicate when it comes to downloading OOo. A similar image that communicates ease and simplicity would be great. * be green as opposed to blue background Green??? :) Check out the Download buttons on the front page, green is associated with download Seb. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] website-dev could use some help
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 11:52, Sebastien Lanteigne wrote: On 10/23/07, Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The image looks burdensome, it communicates great effort. Not the sort of thing that we want to communicate when it comes to downloading OOo. Point taken A similar image that communicates ease and simplicity would be great. that would be nice. * be green as opposed to blue background Green??? :) Check out the Download buttons on the front page, green is associated with download Yes but in the context of this new page it won't work. (See my reply to Kay) I don't think Kay means a whole big green button, I would agree with you a) it wouldn't be right in the context b) It would look bloody gruesome :) What I think Kay means is use the green within the context of the new proposal. There are a couple of options I think 1) Use the icon curve on the graphic and modify the colour of that to suit I did a quick and dirty modification of Filip's central graphic showing how the Icon curve could be used in the context. Personally I believe the icon curve is a more significant bug than the gulls. After all it does occur right through the icons and so forth. It is easily scaleable, very recognisable and it fits in many different styles, and the colours can vary so a green one for download, red for more, blue support or whatever. But you see my point 2) Add a coloured downpointing arrow in the style of the button on the German NLC proposal http://de.openoffice.org/testdir/de-ooo2.html But smaller, added into the graphic somewhere and make that green. Cheers GL - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED : GET OOOGEAR Gear for the well dressed OOo Advocate www.ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Friday 12 October 2007 01:11, Nikash V. SINGH wrote:
Hi Matthias and everyone else, Arts and UX alike,
Hi Nikash,
Please don't abuse me again because I don't happen to like something you did.
I've uploaded a few more proposal icons here;
http://overkill.hyperphp.com/icons.php
(or http://overkill.hyperphp.com/e_icons.php for MSIE users)
Some have two icons, that's because I'm not sure which looks clearer.
I'm sorry that some look so squashy, I work big, then shrink. It's not a
great habit. Here's a quick run-down of the contents of each;
Arts: an assortment of tools for us designer-ly peoples
Still think it's too busy
Programming: an openeing brace { and closing brace } keyboard keys.
Can't see that, looks like a couple of grey bricks to me
Native-Lang: a seagull circling the world / or the 2 seagulls amidst the
continents
No. 1 is cool, actually both are but can't make out the world. Need the
continents to look more obvious, otherwise they just look like marbles
Writing: A whole desktop set up with desk pad, quill and ink
bottle / or just quill
No 1 is too busy, like the art one. No 2 is the best of the bunch very cool
indeed
Marketing: I couldn't think of anything that would
be clearer than a speakerphone at small-res one of the designs has the OOo
logo emitting as sound ripples / the other doesn't.
Marketing is a hard one and I daresay the megaphone is probably it.
You yourself picked the main cause of the problems with these images as icons
in the third paragraph. The one that succeeds does so because of it's
simplicity
In regards to that site-update proposal gif, I should clear up that it was
just a proposal for sprucing up the current arts project homepage;
http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/
It wasn't meant to be a OOo website homepage proposal. Sorry to confuse.
I'm glad though that it's led to other proposals coming forward.
And I hate to be the first to criticise this (I'm not sure if someone's
already pointed this out), but this design;
http://www.molcan.cz/download/mainsite.jpg
... is looking an awful lot like this site;
http://www.opensuse.org/
We had a similar discussion a couple of years ago with regard to the Splash
Screen contest winner and it's use of an element that was similar to the
Adobe Acrobat 6 splash screen.
I like the design overall, but the similarities are way too obvious.
Won't that make OpenSuse incredibly pissed off?
Not sure that there is sufficient similarity for there to be an issue.
Three big buttons probably isn't copyrighted, we need a fourth in any case.
GL
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Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Monday 08 October 2007 20:08, Nikash V. SINGH wrote: Graham, On Sunday 07 October 2007 11:08, Graham Lauder wrote: Most of that is because of the constraints put on us by the CSS that is used by the site in general. Want to deal with that, go to the website list. However I didn't think your upgrade did anything for it personally I am part of the website list, thank you for your (concern ?). I addressed that comment specifically to Matthias, not 'Graham', hoping he could direct me where it was best suited. So you needn't have read it at all. Most people, thankfully, seem to have forgiven that cross-post without a problem. I had no problem with you crossposting so there was nothing to forgive Luckily the proposal is faring better amongst them than with yourself. Kay SCHENK wrote: Anyway, I appreciated the cross post from Nikash though the design was somehow cut off for me... Kay was just saying she appreciated the cross post, probably because she doesn't subscribe to the Art list... however she didn't get to see your graphic for some reason. Not sure how that translates into critical acclaim Nikash you seem to have your knickers in a twist because your artwork doesn't appeal to me. Get over it. It's an opinion, that's all. If you intend to be a professional Graphic artist then you're going to have to get used to the fact that you can't please all of the people all of the time and you certainly can't attack someone especially a client just because they don't share your own high opinion of your art. And because of the democratic way Art is chosen in here, everyone could be viewed as a client We live in a modern world where people always expect positive comment even when it's not true. I am always straight up and honest People I work with value my opinion because they know if I say something is good, I mean it and I'm not saying it simply to save someones feelings, because they also know if I think its crap, I'll say so to their faces not behind their backs. I comment on the art not the artist, so do me the courtesy and debate my commentary don't attack me. It seems to me that you do not wish to grow as an artist because you haven't asked the critical question: Why? You said of the Icon, Quote: I've made just one icon for now (because they take some time to make and I don't want to make an entire set just to find out they aren't liked) So you say you were prepared for them not to be liked but when I simply say that I felt your one was a bit busy, I get vitriol and sarcasm. Not a good look GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Thursday 11 October 2007 02:33, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Sorry to interrupt - its me, your 'client'. I still like to get a serious icon proposal for the contributing/participating page... instead of listening to your struggle. Apologies I should resist the temptation to bite back Both approaches so far look ok to me. But I agree to (don't remember who said it) that the arts project should take the lead on the graphical design for the site. Yes, I did don't forget the fun. Matthias Heh, never! Certainly don't do it for the pay. ;) PS - I like overkill's website design at http://overkill.hyperphp.com/e_icons.php -though I wouldn't adopt it for www.openoffice.org. But it is perfect for a community members site. Fair enough, tho I prefer the extensions.services.~~. site as far as a community site is concerned. Certainly for a modern up-to-date look Andre's why.openoffice.org site demonstrates what can be done within the Collabnet strictures, it's a bit overpowering for my taste but for what that page was designed for, it's excellentt. And as I said on the website list, Molcan Filip's idea for the OOo home page is also great. As far as the icons are concerned I created a page under the Art Caregory in the Wiki a couple of days ago so that we have a central place where people can upload examples and discuss them http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt--Web_Icons_Task I'll have something uploaded there in a couple of hours if my graphics computer decides to behave for a while. Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Sunday 07 October 2007 16:28, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:05:23 -0500, Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 05 October 2007 16:22, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:00 -0500, Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 October 2007 23:24, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi Gang, psst - I have write access to http://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html I already did a couple of text polishing and subversive layout changes. Do you guys see the possibility to provide a set of 'better' icons for this page? thanks Matthias :: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Mmp Good stuff Mathias, The Icon themes are great, especially the Otello game board one for Developers. I think, however there is the possibility of improvement. Let's see what people come up with. However I'm trying to decide whether the titles should be task oriented or person oriented. For instance: Writers instead of Writing or maybe even a phase that is more a call to action: Become an OOo Writer or Join the OOo Writers team. I think it makes it more personal. Cheers GL I actually disagree thta this icons are any good for the OOo image. If you have seen on the download we already have a design pattern of iconography which is usually linked on creating more an abstract design as a background of a rectangle. Hi Alexandro I agree that the iconography needs to be more standard, my comment relates simply to the symbols. Our icons should, I agree, use bugs such as the icon curve which I am a big fan of, as well as a predefined pallet. However that doesn't mean to say that a free flow of ideas outside that box shouldn't be allowed to flow at this point in the discussion. I remember there was discussion a while back about using the Tango pallet, but I don't remember if that came to anything or whether we made any decisions with regard to pallets at all. the nearest thing we have is the style manual that Steven Shelton and others of the project put together http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 This talks through Bugs and some pallets. However much was to do with print media. We need to update the manual and work through what standards we require for our web interface. Cheers GL. I see your point, I still would like to a see a general feeling this website designers talk to each other and not just implement things because they thing is pretty. Great designers working separate -- bad mediocre designers working together and talking to each other -- good Great designers working together and talking to each other -- excellent Agreed, I think that Website guys have done just that, guys like Maarten and Andre. Lots of discussion went on the website project. In fact I think it was Maarten (Murb) who came up with the graphic buttons on the front page. Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Monday 08 October 2007 03:36, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi, the Galaxy Project has a different scope. It is to replace the toolbar icons of OOo. I realise all that as does Andre. The point is to try to get some consistency through the site. The art project should take the lead on this. The style manual for instance mainly focuses on printing the logo This does not mean, that they are not suited for OOo's website. Well, maybe it means that they are not suited for OOo's website without further consideration. We're not talking about using the Galaxy icons, we're talking about using the Galaxy Pallet. The other modern pallet is Tango that Andre alluded to in his post The context and the function for the icons is different. I have an illustrative icon or button style in mind for contributing.openoffice.org. I am fine to take the download buttons. A set of figurative icons is a bit more welcome to me. Sorry Matthias, do you mean icons in the style of the download buttons? And by figurative icons I presume you mean a graphic based icon as opposed to text based like the Download buttons. cheers, Matthias Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Monday 08 October 2007 03:36, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi, the Galaxy Project has a different scope. It is to replace the toolbar icons of OOo. This does not mean, that they are not suited for OOo's website. Well, maybe it means that they are not suited for OOo's website without further consideration. The context and the function for the icons is different. I have an illustrative icon or button style in mind for contributing.openoffice.org. I am fine to take the download buttons. A set of figurative icons is a bit more welcome to me. cheers, Matthias I've setup a page under the art category in the Wiki http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoArt--Web_Icons_Task We can post in there upload files and display them inline. In the initial article I've put in links to both the Tango and Galaxy Colour Pallets. Let's make a decision as to which Palette we should use. If there are any other palette that deserve discussion then please add or if people want to create our own then let's discuss that too. (If we do this, is a 32 colour limit good with everyone. I'll work on a couple of Galaxy themed concepts for the Contributing page tonight Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Friday 05 October 2007 16:22, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:16:00 -0500, Graham Lauder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 October 2007 23:24, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi Gang, psst - I have write access to http://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html I already did a couple of text polishing and subversive layout changes. Do you guys see the possibility to provide a set of 'better' icons for this page? thanks Matthias :: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Mmp Good stuff Mathias, The Icon themes are great, especially the Otello game board one for Developers. I think, however there is the possibility of improvement. Let's see what people come up with. However I'm trying to decide whether the titles should be task oriented or person oriented. For instance: Writers instead of Writing or maybe even a phase that is more a call to action: Become an OOo Writer or Join the OOo Writers team. I think it makes it more personal. Cheers GL I actually disagree thta this icons are any good for the OOo image. If you have seen on the download we already have a design pattern of iconography which is usually linked on creating more an abstract design as a background of a rectangle. Hi Alexandro I agree that the iconography needs to be more standard, my comment relates simply to the symbols. Our icons should, I agree, use bugs such as the icon curve which I am a big fan of, as well as a predefined pallet. However that doesn't mean to say that a free flow of ideas outside that box shouldn't be allowed to flow at this point in the discussion. I remember there was discussion a while back about using the Tango pallet, but I don't remember if that came to anything or whether we made any decisions with regard to pallets at all. the nearest thing we have is the style manual that Steven Shelton and others of the project put together http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54289 This talks through Bugs and some pallets. However much was to do with print media. We need to update the manual and work through what standards we require for our web interface. Cheers GL. -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] icons for contributing.openoffice.org
On Thursday 04 October 2007 23:24, Matthias Mueller-Prove wrote: Hi Gang, psst - I have write access to http://contributing.openoffice.org/index.html I already did a couple of text polishing and subversive layout changes. Do you guys see the possibility to provide a set of 'better' icons for this page? thanks Matthias :: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Mmp Good stuff Mathias, The Icon themes are great, especially the Otello game board one for Developers. I think, however there is the possibility of improvement. Let's see what people come up with. However I'm trying to decide whether the titles should be task oriented or person oriented. For instance: Writers instead of Writing or maybe even a phase that is more a call to action: Become an OOo Writer or Join the OOo Writers team. I think it makes it more personal. Cheers GL -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Re: [OOoCon] Sponsors in the OOConf Web
On Thursday 16 August 2007 06:42, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: cc'ing Art project. Friends, this is high priority :-) Done! :) and attached to: http://marketing.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=80719 ciao, Louis Cheers GL On 2007-08-15, at 13:41 , Jordi Mas wrote: En/na John McCreesh ha escrit: On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 21:08 +0200, Jordi Mas wrote: [snip] Some fixes that we should apply: 1. The logo for the Universitat of Barcelona looks terrible. Can we please make an effort to scale it properly? They have provided a SVG version of their logo that we can scale properly. 2. The grey part of the Softcatalà logo should be transparent or white. If someone can send me replacement .pngs 70px high I'll happily swap out the logos on the site. I don't really do graphics. Please, we should fix this. The logo of the University looks terrible and we had already some problems with them. Can anyone fix this? We are really really busy down here. Thanks! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- GET LEGAL - GET OPENOFFICE.ORG http://why.openoffice.org ISO 26300 compliant Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer Moderator New Zealand (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org.nz GET DRESSED GET OOOGEAR http://ooogear.co.nz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Fw: [logos] How about a professional logo?
On Tuesday 14 February 2006 02:47, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Steven, welcome to the OpenOffice.org art project and to our mailing list! Echoed. Steven Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I was wondering, bluntly, if you'd consider using a more professional logo for your OpenOffice.org project. We discuss this topic every now and then, but it seems not to be very easy to work on it continuously. The two birds in flight are not doing justice to what your product has to offer; you could do so much better. I'm an experienced professional graphic designer (with B.F.A. and national client portfolio) and would consider freely donating a logo(s) to your project without strings. Great! Actually we're looking for an OpenOffice.org logo that could be used for the next major release: OpenOffice.org 3.0 In the minor releases before (OOo 3.0 will probably not be released before 2008, I assume) there could be some minor corrections to the logo but for visual identity reasons no larger updates. But I have to tell you, that it is not easy to get a new logo included in the product OpenOffice.org. If I remember right, we've been told by Louis Suarez-Potts, our Community Manager, that the actual copyright holder of the logo, Sun Microsystems has to be involved in the decision for or against a new logo. My personal impression is, that there is no interest in an abrupt change where the old logo is not able to be recognized in the new one. It will be easier to get a slightly moving design approved - but that's just, what I think, I could be wrong anyway. In the discussion about a year ago he told us, that he'd present a new logo the art project agreed upon to the Community Council and the people at Sun - but there will be no guarantee that it will be approved. For more details and the pro's and con's of changing the logo please read this mail http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=artmsgNo=595 and the whole thread http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=artby=threa dfrom=713273 . Graham Lauder tried to start such proposals in a new therad (http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=artmsgNo=608) , but nobody reacted to his posting. Heh, now that the two Stevens have jumped aboard maybe ;) Basically that would involve a short interview, three rough sketches with design review, and a final design in multiple formats for use in print, the web, and elsewhere. What kind of interview do you think of? There are many different people with different ideas and opinions in the art project (and even more in the marketing project). I'd prefer if you could ask some questions here on the mailing list. You'll probably get some differing - perhaps opposite - answers, but that's our community. ;-) Thank god for that, how boring would it be otherwise! ;) You would own the logo and all copyright; I just want to see you take your image to the next level. I'd really like to try this out - it's a very generous offer, indeed! +1 But knowing all the pitfalls on the way - do you still want to contribute? I hope you will! +1 One of the things that was recently discussed on the marketing list with Steven P was developing a whole set of Artwork around a release that's earlier than 3.0. IOW Create an identity specific to the event that isn't defined or limited by the logo. Like the T-Shirt Campaign on Redmond buses which I presume came from or was paid for by SUN. Notably without any input from the community marketing project. They also designed it in such a way that used a whole raft of different branding phrases. Excellent. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder OpenOffice.org Marcon New Zealand [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Gold Assessor Trainer www.theingots.org Member Open Document fellowship http://www.opendocumentfellowship.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Logo Files
Steven Shelton wrote: I have converted the OOo logo to a number of different file formats (raster and vector CMYK, for example) and created a 2.0 logo to match the splashscreen (also in a variety of formats), but I'm not sure where to upload them. Anyone got a clue? Hi Steve, Create a new issue and attach them to that. Put a note on it to be uploaded to the galleries and I'll see what I can do to get it organised. Cheers Yo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Blog: yorick.edublogs.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Art Style Manual? [was: Pantone Color conventions for OO Logos?]
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Graham, * Graham Lauder wrote: [...] Greetings Bernhard. Wow you have done some research and yes as you see there have been some intense discussions. I can't remember if I started them but I was certainly in the middle of the heat. You were - and I hope you will be again (we don't need the heat - discussion would be enough ;-) ) So long as it's productive I'm always up for it. What ended up coming out of it for me anyway, and this was proven rather nicely by one of the conservative side is that, outside the OOo community the Logo is not as much our brand as the words OpenOffice.org, despite protestations to the contrary. As to the font, as you pointed out it is a proprietary font. The open font Toga is considered by some to be the nearest to the original. A long time back I asked on the list for artists to come up with some Packages that perhaps reflect the New version given that we were taking a quantum leap forward from OOo 1.1.x series. Unfortunately I had no takers. I read it - as an optimist I hope this will change a bit ... I think if we had a good number of active members contributing good art work then this would be easier. People who have been posting lately are asking the right questions so I'm feeling more positive right now. My feeling was that was, given the discussions, there appeared to be a 99% probability that any change would be rejected out of hand so there was no reason for anyone to put in any effort. This could be read from the archive but ... Louis lays the responsibility of the no change policy with SUN. His final message was: Design new logos and I'll bring the to the ones who can decide - even if he was quite pessimistic for a change I think there is a (certainly quite a hard) way to move something. The art work is not to me a big deal to change. In Novell/Ximian's version for instance has different internal Icons as does the Xandros one, the splash screens are different as well. The application Icons are the same and the Star Office ones are almost identical. They just substitute Gulls for a Star. The community just needs the balls to push for a change. Personally I like the new application Icons and I like the new Splashscreen. The Logo however is dated. If it's good enough for Adobe to change the Acrobat Logo when they release a new version then so it should be for OOo In terms of The OOo logo my feeling hasn't changed. The two coloured OpenOffice.org should remain. It actually says a lot about the project and the community in amrepresentational fashion. But I don't think that the present Black and Blue should be sacrosanct. Also I don't think the present gulls should be either, but I have been convinced that some sort of gull shoulf be in there somewhere. If you're up for it I certainly am and it sounds like Steven is too. I had intended taking it up with SUN's OpenSource Ombudsman but haven't because there seemed almost no interest in the Art Project in any case. However if there is a team of Artists who are willing to perhaps give a bit of their time, even though the chances of making a difference seem remote, then I'm willing to take up the discussion with Simon. Let's start working at this point again - I think, decision making will take about a year, but with the release of OOo 3.0 there could be a change (that's not a joke!) Unfortunately I realise you're not joking. The pace of change in OOo is glacial when it comes from the OOo community. When it comes from SUN however it is fait accompli. Hence the new icons with no input from the community... we got the splashscreen. However I will pick it up and see what shakes loose. The leads of the Art project have been notably inactive as proven by the fact that most of the Art project Galleries display material that is way out of date. It is my opinion that this project needs new leads because the present ones are ineffective at this point and have been for some months. (The last time either posted on the list was back in May) . Sorry - I didn't find out who are the art leads, neither in the lists archive nor on the web page. The only references were Jacqueline and John as marketing leads. Who are the art leads? (Perhaps we should mention on the main art project page) Vitor Domingos and Cristian Driga I think, but I could be wrong. They certainly have access for uploading to the galleries and the like. If there has to be a change they have to be heard beforehand. I'd propose a different thread with appropriate subject - I'm sure there will be a lot of answers and hopefully a change in activity (not necessarily but possibly with a change in persons as well). I think in order for a project to maintain freshness it is a good idea for Leads to step down and let fresh blood in. A good example of this was the recent change in the QA project. Things have really cranked up over there since
Re: [art] Art Style Manual? [was: Pantone Color conventions for OO Logos?]
Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Steven, * Steven Shelton wrote: [...] What I would suggest is that we start an issue for an OOo Marketing/Art Style Manual, specifying fonts, colors, etc. for use in various kinds of pieces. I'm not sure who does the website, but once we get a style manual, we can have that added to the site and then make all of the art conform. With the launch of 2.0 imminent, this seems like the prime time to do it. The colours of the logo can be found at http://marketing.openoffice.org/graphics/logos/readme.txt With the font it's a bit tricky, because it's not an open one. What I found in the archive is: http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgId=1729318 and http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=usersmsgNo=41089 The problem of the font can be read at http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=devby=threadfrom=584147, a partial abstract here: http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=artmsgId=1820251 So it's not really easy to create a Art Style Manual from this. In several issues design guidelines are mentioned, the most important is probably this one: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43862 I'm not quite sure if we can find the right way between Visual Identity and freedom of art (or something like that). In February there was quite a large (and controversial) discussion here about OOo Visual Identity - if we can use different logos as long as we provide the full set of necessary materials for web pages, flyers, booths and so on. This discussion (as I read from the archive, because I didn't join the art-list at this time) seems not to be finished by now. Read these threads (and others): http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=artby=threadfrom=713273 http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=artby=threadfrom=708074 The resulting message http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=artmsgId=1820251 wasn't followed by any answer (as far as I know)... In my eyes (correct me please, if I'm wrong) the artists here want to show alternatives to the current logo and collateral (and optimize it), but the community council (and SUN perhaps) have to be involved because this would have an effect on many different structures. I don't want to discourage anybody, I just wanted to tell you what I found out searching the archives - perhaps this is the time to find a solution and establish a Style Manual (at least for the logo and the wire gulls) Let's try it - a lot of the volunteers are waiting for it! Best regards Bernhard Greetings Bernhard. Wow you have done some research and yes as you see there have been some intense discussions. I can't remember if I started them but I was certainly in the middle of the heat. What ended up coming out of it for me anyway, and this was proven rather nicely by one of the conservative side is that, outside the OOo community the Logo is not as much our brand as the words OpenOffice.org, despite protestations to the contrary. As to the font, as you pointed out it is a proprietary font. The open font Toga is considered by some to be the nearest to the original. A long time back I asked on the list for artists to come up with some Packages that perhaps reflect the New version given that we were taking a quantum leap forward from OOo 1.1.x series. Unfortunately I had no takers. My feeling was that was, given the discussions, there appeared to be a 99% probability that any change would be rejected out of hand so there was no reason for anyone to put in any effort. Louis lays the responsibility of the no change policy with SUN. I had intended taking it up with SUN's OpenSource Ombudsman but haven't because there seemed almost no interest in the Art Project in any case. However if there is a team of Artists who are willing to perhaps give a bit of their time, even though the chances of making a difference seem remote, then I'm willing to take up the discussion with Simon. The leads of the Art project have been notably inactive as proven by the fact that most of the Art project Galleries display material that is way out of date. It is my opinion that this project needs new leads because the present ones are ineffective at this point and have been for some months. (The last time either posted on the list was back in May) . -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Office Technologies) www.theingots.org Blog: yorick.edublogs.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Who could create banners for the OpenOffice.org Conference?
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Hi all, Who would be able to create banners for the OpenOffice.org Conference? I think we had some OOoCon banners the previous years, and it would be good to have some this year too in order to promote the event. Thanks, Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Erwin, Attached is a low res version of an idea for a conf Banner. The banner is designed to be easy to create and to be disposable The full size version is made up of 28 A4 size png images that go together to make a banner 2.1 metres wide by about 1.5 metres high. Anyone with a colour printer, some good quality card, a sharp knife, some double sided adhesive tape and a bit of flair for Jigsaw Puzzles can put it together. It actually has more impact on a dark blue background with the images deliberately out of line. I have the 28 images in a zip file which is 3.5 meg. I'll upload it tonight, I'm on dialup. I've also created a Booth Banner using the same concept for 2.0 launch activities. The source is psd and about 13 megs. If anyone wants it I'll p2p them. Cheers Yo -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Who could create banners for the OpenOffice.org Conference?
Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Hi Graham, I guess the attachment got stripped off. Thus, can you please upload the files to an issue? Cheers, Erwin Done http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49512 Cheers Yo Graham Lauder wrote: Erwin Tenhumberg wrote: Hi all, Who would be able to create banners for the OpenOffice.org Conference? I think we had some OOoCon banners the previous years, and it would be good to have some this year too in order to promote the event. Thanks, Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Erwin, Attached is a low res version of an idea for a conf Banner. The banner is designed to be easy to create and to be disposable The full size version is made up of 28 A4 size png images that go together to make a banner 2.1 metres wide by about 1.5 metres high. Anyone with a colour printer, some good quality card, a sharp knife, some double sided adhesive tape and a bit of flair for Jigsaw Puzzles can put it together. It actually has more impact on a dark blue background with the images deliberately out of line. I have the 28 images in a zip file which is 3.5 meg. I'll upload it tonight, I'm on dialup. I've also created a Booth Banner using the same concept for 2.0 launch activities. The source is psd and about 13 megs. If anyone wants it I'll p2p them. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ** *Suppliers of Quality New and Reborn Computers. Your one stop Upgrade Shop.* *We recommend, supply and support:* Novell Suse Linux Linux for the desktop. Everything you'll ever need. A fully featured Office Suite, Graphics Editors, Multimedia, html editors, Browser, Email and games. AMD Processors The economical processor upgrade. We build with and support all AMD Processors from the economical Sempron to mighty Multi-Processor Opteron64 systems. OpenOffice.org Upgrading your Small/Home Office or Medium Enterprise. We will handle Staff training for migration to the Future of Office Suites. Either the Open Source cost-free suite or the fully featured Commercial version; StarOffice from Sun Microsystems. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Hello.
Brendan Whelan wrote: Hello. Hi Brendan and Welcome Sorry for taking so long to make my first submission to the art/marketing list, but I have been very busy with work and haven't had much time. Thanks to those who have congratulated me on winning the splash screen competition. I really do appreciate it. Unfortunately, my first post here must deal with some negative issues of those who are not so pleased with it. I have posted a response to that against issue no. 36491 http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=36491 I would liked to have been contacted directly and given the chance address these. As it is, I only became aware of these concerns on the group list recently. I also find the timing curious. Heh no problem. There wasn't any plagiarism involved and anybody looking with a disinterested eye could see that. It's like saying that every painting of a woman smiling is a copy of the Mona Lisa May I make one suggestion? If you run a splash screen contest for future versions, perhaps you could consider running it like Gimp's competition, i.e. provide a community-designed template and ask the entrants to complete it. That way any issues of plagarism can be limited in advance of an entrant even beginning a design. It might limit the creativity a bit, but at least it would avoid these such unpleasantries for any future competition winner. Just a suggestion. It's of little consequence, there are always those that will be anti and my personal preference is to have as broad a specification as possible. The chance to just go hard is about the only pay one gets As it is, I'm inclined to make changes to layout to avoid this issue dogging the product, Pehaps a treatment similar to the one I put up for the About Box banner? Finally, I see some of you were asking about the swopping gull motif, how it was done and if it could be re-used. The gull lines weren't generated by sinedots or any 2D package (although I'm sure they could be). They are actually rendered 3D. If you like to make use of it anywhere else (not suggesting that you have to), I can make that element available as, say, a TIF with an Alpha channel - that will give the most flexibility in how it could be combined with other art I suppose. I can also render it out in different sizes if needs be - just mail me with a request. Brendan. TIF would be cool, it might not be used , but we're looking at possibly updating our marketing materials and logo and some may like to have some commonality with the splash screen. We'll create an issue for Marketing materials soon and you could attach it to that or upload to your own webspace and provide a link Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Logo and branding
Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi all, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: hi I repeat: Our present Branding is: OOo the almost good enough We need branding that trumpets to the world that we are no longer Only Good Enough. We are now the best out there. It's a nice thought but at the moment, we are not interested in changing our logo. Nor, I would hazard to guess, is Sun. Our logo has been sent through the world to represent OOo, changing it, as has been pointed out before, is a mistake. It is also not a trivial process. +1 However, creating an icon of sorts--the gull, say, or whatever--is a feasible alternative. +1 Just for information, I put below the links where OpenOffice.org has been mentionned in the online press for francophone project. This is only a Google alert (so no other search) Anytime, this is OpenOffice.org or OOo that is mentionned, not OpenOffice or OO. Actually some of them do use Open Office, some of them don't mention it at all. Those articles are only for february, almost one per day, very often our logo is associated with the article and as mentionned, this is only for one project. So I feel that we should be very carefull if we want to change anything in our branding, we are more and more known by our colors and our name. From what we see below nobody knows about our colours or uses our logo Kind regards Sophie I know I am in danger of once again repeating myself. BUT the Word is the the thing and the word is *OpenOffice.org* http://www.indexel.net/1_20_3988___/Solutions_Linux_2005___poste_bureautique_et_ERP_a_l_honneur.htm No logo but uses the word http://www.toolinux.com/news/revue_de_presse/pourquoi_la_gendarmerie_a_migre_vers_openoffice.org_entre-autres_ar5850.html Linux preaching to the converted. I'm not interested in selling to Linux users because it isn't expanding our user base or our brand recognition. Besides which no logo Only THE WORD http://www.toolinux.com/_f1618.html Again the name, no logo http://www.generation-nt.com/actualites/5442/Paris-migre-en-partie-sous-Linux Again No logo adn the Name only attached to Linux http://www.toolinux.com/news/revue_de_presse/jeter_windows_au_profit_de_lycoris_ar5870.html Again The WORD only no logo. http://www.indexel.net/1_6_3995__3_/15/89/1/Bureautique___quelles_alternatives_a_Microsoft__.htm Again The WORD only no logo. http://linuxfr.org/2005/02/10/18282.html Again The WORD only no logo. http://www.framasoft.net/article.php3?id_article=3522 Again The WORD only no logo. http://www.framasoft.net/article.php3?id_article=1891 This one had a Writer Icon on the page... Unfortunately that icon is now completely different for 2.0 so that is irrelevant http://www.itrmanager.com/article.php?oid=36239 This one we didn't actually get a mention It was all about Redhat. OOo did happen to turn up as a screen shot. But guess what. No Logo http://www.toolinux.com/_f1649.html No logo http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/informatique/0,39040745,39207011,00.htm About Fedora No logo. In this using our presence to sell another package http://www.toolinux.com/news/services/ophelio_lance_la_formation_a_openoffice.org_ar5905.html No logo and only got the word correct once. Even the site offering support didn't have a logo on their front page http://www.framasoft.net/article3095.html No logo http://www.toolinux.com/news/logiciels/le_programme_de_distribution_de_staroffice_8_beta_a_commence_ar5915.html Thats about StarOffice... Sun gets a link at the bottom of the article and we get a passing mention http://www.framasoft.net/article.php3?id_article=2041 About GPL licensing and we don't even get a mention what are you citing this for http://www.framasoft.net/article.php3?id_article=3306 Again we get a mention as a reason to use another operating system. No logo On the upside we do get a link To an entire article about 1.1.4. Brilliant. Unfortunately no sign of a logo and you would have thought that this would be the logical place to use it So where. http://linuxfr.org/2005/02/23/18370.html A mention No Logo http://www.framasoft.net/article.php3?id_article=1679 Again no logo. It seems that you have proven my point exactly. Our Brand is the Name. Not ONE of the sites you've cited here use our logo *EVEN* in Articles that are specifically about OpenOffice.org. So tell me again where is our famous brand. It isn't as you so nicely proved for me the brand is the word. This is reinforced by the fact that Jacqueline made the very valid point that we tell people to use the WORD properly. It's like Coke saying their red is a specific red. Our word is our brand. What goes on around it is merely decor, including the seagulls(But then as I said I'll roll on that one.) If I was going to suggest a fundamental change to our brand it would be something like making the O's in the word Bold.. or standout in some way to acknowledge our sub brand: OOo However thats just an aside and thinking
Re: [art] Logo and branding
Vitor Domingos wrote: Graham Lauder wrote on 02/24/2005 09:03 PM: It seems that you have proven my point exactly. Our Brand is the Name. Not ONE of the sites you've cited here use our logo *EVEN* in Articles that are specifically about OpenOffice.org. So tell me again where is our famous brand. It isn't as you so nicely proved for me the brand is the word. No, once again, no. Our brand is our name *and* logo.See Otto for instance, Ottois not official artwork, he is a result of work of the education project which had nothing to do with the Art project. So citing Otto as an example is a damned good reason just to go out and do something else. Otto happened in spite of the system, not because of it see all the current material, All old... 1.0 artwork is still up in the Galleries and nothings changed since icons, They've all changed too, thanks (and I mean this sincerely) to Sun. They are awesome... and we should follow suit. Out with old and in with the new banners, Mostly 1.0 splashscreen, Well that's new, but from a marketing/sales perspective it's not a lot of use pages, local pictures, You've lost me here This is reinforced by the fact that Jacqueline made the very valid point that we tell people to use the WORD properly. It's like Coke saying their red is a specific red. Our word is our brand. What goes on around it is merely decor, including the seagulls(But then as I said I'll roll on that one.) Our word is one of our brands, truly the most important one, but the word by itself doesnt defines our art material, that's made by our logo. Thats what we like to think, but that is so wrong, the word is everything, you just have to look at al those articles that Sophie cited. Right now our visual elements are meaningless.. they are nothing in terms of the global branding. Because branding is about the clients perception not ours. And so long as our marketing is word of mouth and text articles in magazines or online and not Television and Print advertising, then the WORD is our brand . Our logo is only significant on our website and not really even there. The point is your articles only reinforced what I was saying. Please read back, I never said change the name. In fact I am strongly of the opposite view I know what you've wrote, but as it is, our logo is main piece on our art. That may be so. But right now we don't have enough art around that to aid our marketing and that's what we need Here's a good exercise. Type OpenOffice logo into google image search or any combination you can think of. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] Logo and branding [WAS: [art] Art project to-do pages]
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: hi Graham, For some Dieties sake. I am absolutely sick and tired of people deciding what is my head before they have even seen it. You have dismissed what I was thinking about before you have even seen it. You have imagined something in your head without reading properly what I had said in previous posts. How many times do I have to repeat it. I repeat it again!! YES Keep the Gulls Use the OpenOffice.org in TOGA font with the two colours. Then create some great art around it. I am really trying to keep this civil but I am struggling. The Negativity here is absolutely mindnumbing. As has been said before the culture seems to be: If it sticks its head up, shoot it down! I'm sorry if I come across to you as negative, and if I dismissed your thought before you had expressed it. We are talking the visual, like trying to draw a Picasso with words. You can't dismiss it without seeing it. All I've been asking is for the opportunity for the Art team to show off something. Shoot it down AFTER you've seen it but don't dismiss the notion before you can see it. Okay. You know the basic problem, of course. But let's show and tell :-) OK I'll start a new thread later I had the impression you had already done so. Changing the logo is obviously enormously risky--and we have suggested doing it before. I'm NOT suggesting that we change the Logo. At this point all I'm asking is that you be positive about LOOKING at alternatives. My apologies if I came across as imperious. I am mainly anxious about consequences; but you know that. [snip] However I shall try again. The central point to my argument is that our brand name is *the word*. Our Brand is *the word* whether it be visual or aural the brand is *the word*. The word is*OpenOffice.org* In terms of the Visual standard that is *OpenOffice.org* in TOGA font with the letters O-P-E-N and O-R-G being one colour and O-F-F-I-C-E being a complimentary colour. At this point in time that is black and various shades of blue or White and blue depending on the background or Black and gray in monochrome. (Which I might add is probably the most common representation) The Huge shift that you seem to getting wound up about is allowing a greater range of colour within the word okay Louis, you made a bunch of assumptions about the art without even seeing it, then came down on it with a resounding NO! That is negative. The positive reaction would have been: OK let's look at what is on offer. Let's set some parameters. From the councils pov the whole word OpenOffice.org has to be in there in Toga font and a representation of the Gulls must be in the logo as well and the log has to be on all marketing material. Oh and we want to keep the differentiated colour in the text between the Office part and the rest. Looking at this does not mean that we will change it. THAT is a positive reaction to the suggestion. Negative is slamming down barriers to just the idea which is what you have been doing in this thread. My point, which I guess I failed to represent, was that we have to be very conservative when it comes to changes in the logo. Right now in terms of the Logo Artwork I don't think... and this is unfortunate that we have to be too conservative. The Name yes, we do, because that is out there everywhere. Try searching for OpenOffice.org logos on Google image search. You might get an Idea of how radical we need to get. That doesn't mean that we can't consider them as such--and you are right, I was too conclusive--but it does mean that any changes have to be made with awareness of the consequences. But, again, you know that. I'm only to aware of the consequences, as much as I am aware of the consequences of NOT doing anything. I'm marketing in an environment where I have no cost advantage over the Market leader. So I need to appeal in other ways and I need strong brand recognition. At the moment I have that in the Word, but I don't have a strong *Visual* Brand. At present people don't see the Logo, they see the word. That's because it's recognisable from seeing it in text or having heard it from someones mouth, but that is only to an english speaking person. So, now that I hope my own conservative take is understood, and you've read Jacqueline's, Sophie's and Vitor's points--it's our public identity, after all, and we *need* to be conservative and anxious--I'd be interested in pursuing the positive approach above. Excellent I'll start a brainstorming thread tonight and then we'll go on from there. Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [art] 2.0 Beta Release Date
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: Hi Most of you are probably aware that Martin Hollmichel, Release Manager, has scheduled 24 February for the 2.0 Beta candidate release. Thanks to Elizabeth, Sophie, Jacqueline, and others, we have the necessary feature guide (very detaied, very excellent--thanks Jacqueline for the latest verion!). But we are still lacking some other things. ART: Namely, it's not clear we'll have the winning splashscreen ready by the 24th. In case we don't, I'd like to ask Art project if they could draft one. My primary desire is to use the winning entry but Second, the beta will likely confuse people because of the change in format. Do we have a clear, succinct description of that change and what it means? If not, would someone like to draft one? (Note: this might qualify as overview, which Elizabeth is driving, though that is for Final.) I'm adding these points to the issue we are using to track work on 2.0, including the Beta. The issue: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=28741 I've drafted one and attached a bmp version of the attached beta_splash.png file to 28741 CC license Cheers Yo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
