[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?

2011-08-14 Thread dfsavgny


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote:

 The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move in 
 and displace the poor.



That's a fallacy. I gave a report to certain councilman years ago who now 
resides in Spring Lake. The study found that the moving out of the poor does 
not happen at a faster velocity in a gentrifying neighborhood than it does in a 
similar non gentrifying neighborhood. What does differ is the ability to 
reenter the neighborhood that is undergoing gentrification.







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[AsburyPark] Re: Recovery Programs

2011-08-14 Thread dfsavgny
The only one in Monmouth county

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 Don't quote me, but I think its on 4th and Memorial
 
 
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 Hello,
 
 My name is David Clement. Recently, I recieved my bsw from Monmouth 
 University. I am working towards my certification in alcohol and drug 
 counseling. Is there a methadone program in AP?
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?

2011-08-14 Thread oakdorf
The question should be:

Should the city have remained a run down wasteland it was? 

How many of you actually had a business in AP during those years?  

I did.

The city, state, feds and general public had a great opportunity as did every 
single charity that every existed - to do what you ask?

To have come in, purchased properties block by block and build housing, 
renovate housing you name it. 

And it wasn't and hasn't been gentrified - barely at that.

Someone once said about the gay movement in AP - that it wasn't the rich 
gays Taking over - it was the ones that had vision and not rich enough to 
afford other gay communities.

It hasn't been the rich that first came in and bought a bunch of run down 
boarded up houses that every one else had a chance to buy - it was a bunch of 
average people who really couldn't afford to buy in avon, belmar etc - maybe 
the second or 3rd resales of homes since 2000 were wealthier.

Tell me one thing please - where were all these people, charities etc  - that 
all had the opportunity to help and rebuild their own community - but didn't.

Where was the APHA? Was the leader with vision in town? 

I once posted that I took a nice bike ride all around the east side of AP and 
counted how many  - apartment buildings there were, how many multi family 
houses there were and how many condo there were.

Is it a sin to have people coming into town, investing and fixing up homes that 
were boarded up, illegally converted and ridden with code violations - and not 
paying taxes??

As a reward, they (the gentrefires) get blasted by the community - for what? 
Trying to make it a safer place, paying taxes, opening businesses and spending 
money all around town. Add to that - developing programs, adding diversity and 
volunteering. 

Instead, get blasted for being gay, rich, racist, uncaring, selfish - 

And I;m sure most of us on this board crack open their wallet and give back to 
the kids and community in general many more ways - beside spending money and 
paying taxes.





 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote:
 
  The problem is the inherent conflict with gentrification. The rich move 
  in and displace the poor.







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[AsburyPark] Spreading hate....

2011-08-14 Thread oakdorf
I came across this entry on the internet:

Make no mistake about it; Martin Luther King was a radical. If he were alive 
today, most people in power (read: white people) would hate him, would hate 
what he was saying, and would hate what he was willing to die for.


Once again, the person who wrote this is generalizing a point in time, a point 
in history and of course there may be some white people who would hate him.

But this well educated writer writes this for what? Self-promotion? To cause us 
to reflect?

It's a shame such talent uses his platform to state in no other words that 
white people hate black people while currently lives at the beach in 
NJ... 

Ironic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-keady/do-you-really-want-to-cel_b_809799.html

We know you're a well educated man. Please don't spread hatred where it doesn't 
exist.







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