[AsburyPark] ..What's more, at least at Wesley Grove, there is NOT ONE KID in the school sys

2013-04-19 Thread oakdorf
Doug wrote...
What's more, at least at Wesley Grove, there is NOT ONE KID in the school 
system using up those precious resources. Add to that the fact that those 
buildings are new and modern, which means they are less of a risk and burden to 
the City fire department. 


Doug, I guess Dan and Werner therefore should not pay towards schools either, 
since neither of them have kids in the schools - nor does dan use garbage 7 or 
months of the year...that's  not how the system works. and the city fire 
department - they don't only put out fires - they respond thousands of time a 
year to ER calls 


Reminds me of a crazy neighbor without kids who put the VOTE NO School Budget 
sign on his property - which happened to be the bus stop for the kids as well. 








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[AsburyPark] Re: Roughly 400 properties in AP are tax exempt - $63 million assessed value

2013-04-19 Thread Doug M
It's not a selective tax for the resident.  That would be contrary to state tax 
policy.  Rather, an abatement program is an option for troubled cities or areas 
to use financial tools to spur investment and development.  The choice is that 
of the City, not the resident, to implement the plan.

Nobody is suggesting that anyone can choose their way out of paying for 
school taxes.  That's the state's choice, under THEIR redevelopment law, and 
the City's choice to implement that option, in pursuit of a goal that benefits 
everyone, statewide.  (Keep in mind that AP was, and still is, a net drain on 
state resources, which is why the state would have an interest in spurring 
redevelopment.  We can discuss all day whether this is the optimal solution, 
but that's a choice that the state and City have made.)

And by the way, the mechanisms of property tax are not uniform 
nationally...it's generally a state issue that is decided differently by each 
state.

To your point about $84,000 assessed valuations, keep in mind that those values 
are generally about 1/3 of the estimated value, due to the fact that a 
revaluation has not been done in so long.  Once the revaluation is done, we 
should all have a true idea of actual assessed value being equal to market 
value.  In the meantime that discount rate distorts the issue on its face.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:

 Thanks for the response.
 
 Neither one of us are right.
 
 That being said - 
 
 1. the structure of the property tax in the US is not to be a selective 
 method of picking and choosing what services are used - like the school 
 system.
 
 I heard that argument before from people in deal, colts neck interlaken and 
 ap. So you send your kid to private school, therefore you shouldn't pay local 
 school taxes
 
 OR - I have no kids, therefore I shouldn't pay school tax...
 
 Well, based on that logical thought, I should no longer pay school tax of 
 about $7,000 year on my home and another $36,000 on my rentals, however a 
 couple of tenants ahve kids
 
 then using that logic, someone in AP with two kids should pay $48,000 year in 
 taxes to cover the cost of their kids attending school. 
 
 So you see what the problem with the logic is. That's why EVERY property is 
 supposed to pay school tax if they have a school system. 
 
 As for trash pickup - that was a smart move by condo boards not so long ago - 
 that they are paying for all services in their taxes. Howev er, the flip side 
 of that is many development (not sure about wesley) were given approvals to 
 build high density and provide their own services - kind of like a tax 
 abatement . That was the deal to get the approvals. That is usually done 
 with the developer who builds, gets their cash, turns it over to the 
 association who then sues.
 
 That post was a follow up to the comment and acceptance that a single family 
 home in AP is assessed at $84,000 - it ain't right.
 
 Do some more homework, your facts aren't correct either. Have a good one. 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Doug M 







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[AsburyPark] Re: Roughly 400 properties in AP are tax exempt - $63 million assessed value

2013-04-19 Thread oakdorf
Well, I see we agree.

I responded to your point how some people have NO KIDS using the 
resources as if therefore, those people shouldn;t be obligated to pay their 
portion of school taxes - or garbage, ems etc

And my the $84,000 note was in response to a asburyparksun.com and APP article 
that the AVG assessed home in AP is $84,000 - which I believe to be wrong - the 
data on the state site is wrong and is based on the number of rows - 
associated to the database - which contains misc junk data - bored - I 
scrubbed it somewhat to remove it and came up with the AVERAGE ASSESSED value 
is $128,000. Of course, that has no bearing on taxes - just wrong data being 
used in research or comments to the press


And we agree there are arguments on both sides on whether the abatements, given 
to the developers (to spur development and therefore occupation which create a 
demand for businesses) has a long term benefit. those properties need to come 
on the tax rolls and will once those periods expire. State contribution will 
decrease (should) and AP may someday become less dependent on state aid to run 
it's day to operations. 

Thanks Doug.

PS - nothing against condos . I just wouldn't know what to do in one. No lawn, 
flowers... however, I've been looking. 

dd






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