Re: [AsburyPark] Kimberley Locke
Hello Everyone, Tonite, the New Jersey Music Hall of Fame Foundation will make their debut presentation showcase called "On the Brink," @ the Stone Pony in Asbury Park, New Jersey. Come support the organization that wants to make Asbury Park their home. The Line-up 8:00 Lisa Bouchelle. They call her the Bebe! 8:45 AERIA Records artist Brian Amsterdamsolo 9:00 Stefanie Seskin. Funk direct from Jersey City 9:45 Amsterdam 10:00 Exit 105. High energy rock 11:00 Rick Barrya local favorite 12:00 Matt Witte's "new" Death Threat Radio debut FTBO the Monmouth/Ocean Food Bank the New Jersey Music Hall of Fame Foundation. Doors open @ 7:00..... David J. Mieras - Original Message - From: "rdbdofed" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Kimberley Locke Hello all Tonight, one night only, American Idol Finalist and Curb Recording Artist, KIMBERLY LOCKE, is performing at THE CIRCUIT. First time an American Idol performer has entertained in Asbury Park. Admission fee is only $15.00 Hope to see you all here! Robert DiSanto Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Plan
1984 plan doesn't seem to amount to a hill of beans in the long run? 22 years, so what is your definition of the long run Tommy? - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Plan Since there is very little difference between the March and June proposals, this will all be over quickly. The DEP will re-review the portions of the March proposal that are different than the June proposal. There will be a public input period. Then the DEP will rule, and I'm predicting they rule in favor of the 10 and 16 story C8 building. That's really all there is to it. Doesn't seem to amount to a hill of beans in the long run. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] New Jersey Music Hall of Fame
The Casino is on the boardwalk and been there for over 100 yrs. This was never a gaming casino but amusement casino. - Original Message - From: Allen McDaniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] New Jersey Music Hall of Fame I dont know about what casino you're referring to, but I think we have WAAAY to many of them and PLENTY of venues for gaming as it is, including the lottery which many are making profits from, yet education still suffers and is always hurting for funding, and property and other taxes are stratospheric. More gambling wont help, those promises are seldom kept. As for the Museum, I agree Asbury would be a PERFECT place, not only for it's past and present importance MUSICALLY in NJ, but also to bring visitors and hence, dollars into the town to aid in its revitalization. God knows, music and its related businesses have been one of the few forces that have kept this town going ALL THIS TIME, AND DURING THE WORST TIME, AND COULD AND SHOULD PLAY A BIG BIG PART IN THE TOWNS HOPEFUL RENNAISANCE, THO I PERSONALLY WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE MORE INTEREST IN THE AMUSEMENTS AND RIDES THAT HAVE BEEN THE BACKBONE OF THE JERSEY SHORE ECONOMY MAKE A BIG COMEBACK AND RESURGENCE IN ASBURY W/INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND TECHNOLOGY TO LURE FOLKS HERE INSTEAD OF 6 FLAGS, ETC. HOPEFULLY BY THEN WE COULD ALSO OFFER THEM GOOD, REASONABLE ACCOMODATIONS, A FAMILY FUN ATMOSPHERE, AS WELL AS GOOD DINING, AND A THRIVING ART AND MUSIC AND CULTURAL SCENE, AS WELL AS FUN FOR THE KIDS (AND BIG KIDS LIKE ME!) Another reason the PALACE (sob) COULD'VE BEEN AN IMPORTANT AND HISTORICAL HUB IN A UNIQUE, QUAINT AND INTERESTING AS WELL AS FUN AMUSEMENT CENTER AND TOURIST DESTINATION. THE CASINO COULD REALLY THRIVE AGAIN IF WE BUT HAVE THE WILL. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU OUT THERE REMEMBER THE BUMPER CARS AND CAROUSEL, AS WELL AS SKEE-BALL AND ALL THE COOL MACHINES IN THERE AT ONE TIME. BOY, HOW I MISS THAT, AND NO PLACE ELSE WAS LIKE IT!!!(MUCH LIKE THE PALACE, WHICH WAS TO ME, A SACRED PLACE, A SHRINE TO AMUSEMENTS AND ENTREPENEURSHIP and VISION and WONDER and IMAGINATION. ASBURY WAS THE BEST, LESS CROWED BUT MORE FUN THAN SEASIDE, AND WE HAD ALL THOSE GREAT CONCERTS (AND STILL DO) IN CONV. HALL! THE MORE WE PRESERVE OF THE 'OLD ASBURY' AND THE SPIRIT OF IT, THE BETTER OFF WE'LL BE, IMHO. NO ONE NOT WELL VERSED IN THE REAL SPIRIT OF WHAT WE WERE ONCE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO KNOCK ANYTHING DOWN AND REDEVELOP IT INTO SOMETHING SOUL-LESS AND WITHOUT VISION. HEY YOU ENTREPRENEURS OUT THERETHINK 'BIG COASTER!!! THEN THINK... ASBURY!! And let's not lose the imagination and great minds that made Asbury such a beautiful place at one time, and hopefully, will again, but not w/out some major changes of direction and vision and imagination and PRESERVATION!! There, I've spouted off enough for now.-al --- David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were to ask musicians from the State of New Jersey if they'd rather see a New Jersey Hall of fame in the Meadowlands and having some kind of music museum as a side show or have a New Jersey Music Hall of Fame located in Asbury Park, dedicated to the talent from the Garden State that the world celebrates, I wonder what they would choose? If you were to ask the politicians of New Jersey the same question, we know what they choose. Give the NJMHOF the Casino and they will come! __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New Jersey Music Hall of Fame
If you were to ask musicians from the State of New Jersey if they'd rather see a New Jersey Hall of fame in the Meadowlands and having some kind of music museum as a side show or have a New Jersey Music Hall of Fame located in Asbury Park, dedicated to the talent from the Garden State that the world celebrates, I wonder what they would choose? If you were to ask the politicians of New Jersey the same question, we knowwhat they choose. Give the NJMHOF the Casino and they will come! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Another AP Icon Demolished
Who's gonna make the developer honor their agreement? - Original Message - From: Allan Peterson To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Another AP Icon Demolished Was that property taken by ED or did partners buy it? And I may be wrong but I thought I read that any property taken by ED must be developed within 1 year according to the agreement. Is this true?wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today the demolition of the former Ambassador Hotel was started. About half the building is a pile of rubble. The building was formerly known as the Palace Hotel.That makes two "Palaces" razed in the name of redevelopment.Werner (I'm not in control) Baumgartner Yahoo! for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395
Excellent blow by blow Sharon. The only stores I can think of that somehow weathered the storm are Carl (Mr. Fashion) Felix Fox, the paint store. It's a toss up between Steinbach's the Asbury Park Press regarding the death knell scenario I think. - Original Message - From: Sharon G. Boone To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the "old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores, Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left. Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5 growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion, Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down, one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service, too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nbsp;wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.I lookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.IhavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothappeninAP,butIhaveseenitbefore.Whenamarketdownturnhits,thoseareasbeinggentrifiedthatarenotsubstantiallycompleted,getshitworseandtakelongertorecover.Whilenooneispredictingasseriousadownturnasoccuredinthelate-1980'stoearly-1990's(doesanyonereallyknowforsure),marketconditionsareerodingaswespeak.Let'sbefrankaboutit.Inadditionto,andinspiteofitsspecialnature,whathasbroughtmosttoAPisitsavailibilityofrelativebargains.Thosebargainsarealreadydissappearing.Ifandwhenthemarketgoesdown,therewillberelativebargainselsewhereformany.Inplaceswithlesscrime,betterschoolsandmoresubstantialandbettermaintainedinfrastructure.WhilethoseareasmaynothavethesamefunkyallureofAP,peoplewillweigh
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the pony doesn't matter
Nice work JJ99! Some people just don't know when to shut up, even after they are warned how offensive their crude speak might be to others. You'd think otherwise based on their station and education. - Original Message - From: jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the pony doesn't matter Sorry BB, you lose. Under the international messageboard agreement created in 1990 known as Godwin's Law, whenever someone brings up Hitler or Nazis in an argument unrelated to WWII, the thread is over, and the person who caused the Violator to invoke Godwin's Law is declared the winner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Congratulations, Traderdube! Very good post, by the way. Next topic... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Dube, Your post below, more accurately the points you make, is the only thing wrong with AP. That dead-hand control, refuse to look forward, no progress, visionless, over-romanticized, Nostalgia- Nazi view that we have to return to a fictionalized past that never was instead of moving to a bright future we could have, is the only thing wrong with AP. Your literarly use of slowly morphing the Pony into all that is the rest of Asbury Park is the template, often used by others, that reveals Asbury is filled with Springsteen fanatics posing as people who pretend to know the rest of the City. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] freedom is just another word
Bruce has never tried to distance himself from Asbury and that endeared the core fans. He always comes back and doesn't forget his roots. That is why Bruce and Asbury are like peanut butter and jelly. In the mid 1960's there were actually black kids I spoke to @ Neptune Intermediate School that had never been to the beach. Just a mile or two West of the ocean and never saw a wave break. The only explanation I have is that they were afraid. I remember this because I started b.s.'ing a young boy about how we go ice skating on the ocean and glide up and down on the frozen waves. He believed me which I thought incredible. I think it was 1964 when the Ocean Grove Grammar School was integrated? Talk about token efforts, our school enrolled Rayford Taylor who was in my 6th grade class. Ocean Grove Elementary had grades K through 6th and Rayford was the only Black. As you can see, change did not come easily even w/ the Federal mandate. It was only six years later that the Asbury riots occurred. White flight was instantaneous from Asbury after the riots. People were scared to shop and visit. The only success for the City after 1970 was the music scene. That is why music must lead the way in the re-birth. Everybody loves music! The New Jersey Music Hall of Fame is working diligently to be a defining presence for future generation. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] freedom is just another word I believe that BlueBishop wasn't trying to deny that the beaches of Asbury were segregated. I believe his point, and I am 100% sure he will confirm or deny, was that there was no official policy concerning the use of Asbury Park's beaches. That the same racist attitudes still exist in the hearts and minds of people of all races is still true. What role racism plays in Asbury Park today is an interesting question and topic for this group. What role racism is playing in the Police Directors gig is what started this thread and is a most pertinent and enduring question and a question that needs to be answered. Vin Scelsa is still on the radio, he does a Saturday night show called Idiots Delight from 8 to midnight and last night he had Daniel Wolf on. Wolf is the author of 4th of July Asbury Park A History of the Promised Land. For those of you who don't know DJ Vin Scelsa. Vin was amongst the original WNEW FM DJs that took FM radio in NYC and created a short lived but much loved genre of radio called free form. Vin was the on air DJ the horrible night that John Lennon was shot. The same night Bruce and the E Streeters performed in Philadelphia and went on with the show after they heard the news half way through the concert. Anyway, Vin is a master interviewer, especially with authors, and his 4 hour interview with Daniel Wolf is a great listen, especially for those who are into Bruce. Wolf brought a recording of Dr Zoom and the Sonic Boom doing a wild psychedelic version of Carol King's Will You Love Me Tomorrow. They also discuss at length the role that racism played in AP. If anyone wants to listen to the interview follow this link, http://mywebpages.comcast.net/iddiot_tree/ and right click on the .zip file. You will be able to download a zipped MP3 file that is the entire show. If anyone needs assistance getting the file, please email me off digest and I will assist you. It is really very easy to download and listen. A couple things I didn't know from last night. The riots in Asbury were not a part of the nationwide riots that hit Newark and LA??? I always thought they were the same, however, according to wolf, AP's riots were 2 years later. Wolf also spoke about fights that occurred after a Frankie Lymon show at Convention Hall that spread to the boardwalk, very interesting. It is pretty amazing that a city with such a vast history as Asbury Parks, a history that literally includes most of the most famous performers, politicians and scene makers from most of the 20th century, has become defined by Bruce Springsteen. I imagine that in 100 years, when they talk about AP, Bruce will still be what they talk about. And that ain't a bad thing, after all, Bruce's early work captures all that Asbury had to offer in the most amazing literate terms, starting of course with Sandy, and sadly bookended by My City In Ruins. There are X number of structures in Asbury Park. Many of which have lied in a dormant or rotting state for way to many years. Of those structures, houses and apartments and commercial buildings, I wonder what percentage of them have changed ownership and either have been rehabilitated, or are being rehabilitated at this time. Even without the waterfront redevelopment, the fact that Asbury is being reconstructed is a hard fact to argue with. When all is said and done, what Asbury Park will look and feel like might just
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit
BBif you were born in 1963 and the Civil Rights Act was 1964, how would you certainly know if there were or weren't signs when you were still crawling? I must admit my error w/ Led Zep because I didn't go to that show, but if you ask someone like Mike Dowling, Tookie, or my Brother, they'd remember if there were or weren't signs. The sign on Black Beach was the only rascist posting I ever saw in my life, so I remember it being there. I was 10 in 1962. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: crock of shit Dave: Like most others around here, I have looked at thousands of photos of AP. Anyone have any photos showing a Blacks Only or Whites Only sign on the beach from the 50's? If there was one on every beach, I imaging there must be some pictures. Must say by the time I was there (born 63) there certainly weren't any. Civil Rights Act of 1964, perhaps? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, David J. Mieras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] crock of shit
He lived in Monroe Towers, right BB? (mailing address) I remember the sign, Blacks Only on Black Beach when I was a kid (born 1952). I've written about that beach in one of my stories on www.greasylake.org . There were Whites Only on the rest of the beaches to the North of the Casino. All the black workers in Ocean Grove had to leave town when they were done w/ work. Ray Kramer was a slick cat. He'd bring his young oriental girlfriend to UPSTAGE once in a while. There were always rumors flying around about the man, but that's normal Asbury Park politics. I don't recall him getting caught up in any crime, but do remember he had a reputation of a poor businessman. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] crock of shit ah lawyers...BlueBishop wrote... You claim Ray Kramer was a criminal. Please tell me what crime he committed. I will make a prediction: You will answer me with generalities that have no facts. You won't be able to name a crime Ray committed. Of course not! Ray Kramer was the mayor, remember. Wasn't Kramer a teacher when he was elected, lived in a simple home etc.? He made out pretty good post AP though didn't he? What marina in Point Pleasant did the Kramer family own? Name a crime Ray Kramer committedwhat a ridiculous and insulting question. Just as insulting as saying there was no govt mandated beach for blacks. It may not have been mandated by lawyers, but it was mandated by society. Twist your words in court BB, let's try to keep it real here.. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: john's letter, cursing, etc a loss for words
Taste, give us a break! You used the word NAZI, that's a curse word to me! - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: john's letter, cursing, etc a loss for words Let's not bore the group with a drawn out discussion on this. Suffice it to say that I don't curse, you do, and it's a free country so you can. I can't stop you and won't try. It's just a matter of taste and we differ. Let's move on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .it isn't Master Corey or other 12 year olds that should be the arbiter of tasteful language. It is you that should lead by example. Re: To what do you refer, `silly', `ass' or perhaps `damn'? To what do you think Tom was referring and do you recall anyone of your age getting bent out of shape over this language? Tom, you seem, for once, at a loss for words; quite strange for a guy heretofore extremely verbose. Can you share with us, which word you found so objectionable or would merely typing it damn your soul for all eternity? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Skip it isn't Master Corey or other 12 year olds that should be the arbiter of tasteful language. It is you that should lead by example. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: To what do you refer, `silly', `ass' or perhaps `damn'? Corey thanks for the clarification. To what do you think Tom was referring and do you recall anyone of your age getting bent out of shape over this language? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Corey Maccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A: I'm 12 B:I dont care if you curse. I don't care if I curse . Curse away. Corey Maccaro Patriarch of Humanity - Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news more. Check it out! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People
The carousal house is an incredible design built solely for one purpose. How many carousal houses are there today in N.J. or the U.S.A.? I do not think the present owner wants to save the Casino. Talk is cheap as any politician knows. I would love to produce and display an exhibit for the NJMHOF in the carousal house someday!!! I've seen shows in the Casino, ask Ricky D about Led Zep, Tom. I've driven go-karts around the ice rink, was on the hockey team, played pinball w/ my friend's Southside and Bruce, and a whole lot of other fun thing's in the Casino. The power plant is also quite impressive to me. If you had seen the stack lit up in the 50's (what workmanship for a smoke stack), you might change your mind about these building's. Same for the carousal house. All lit, reflecting off the lake w/ the Mayfair and Palace was extraordinary. There was also a carousal building, duck pin bowling alley, theater, etc. lit to the hilt on the Ocean Grove side. Thriving stores were located boardwalk level in the power plant. It was an extremely healthy business district. It's all gone except the Casino and power plant. The start over again/make massive amounts of money crowd must be happy that the Casino is falling into the ocean. Saves money on future demo. The new face of Asbury has George Washington on it and George usually wins. - Original Message - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People Did you attend any events at the Casino in the 1960's? As for aesthetic appreciation, that is certainly in the eye of the beholder. Now go down to the BW and behold the Casino. Really Skip, this place is beautiful to you? No wonder Fishman fired you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister. I'm in my 40's and it was a barely functioning, half-boarded hang-out for creeps even when I was a kid. I brought dates to the Paramount, walked the boardwalk and played various games from CH to the Casino in the early 60's. I didn't recognize then how beautiful both structures are; that you think at age 40 something, that the Casino is the ugly sister, speaks volumes about your aesthetic appreciation. The Casino, Carousel power plant complex is a remarkable stroke of architectural brilliance; that you fail to see this tells me you've missed your moment, you would have been right at home with that council in the 80's that sold the copper roof. I'm beginning to understand your fixation on monster trucks. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would trade a 1,000 Tillies for a restored Casino... Perhaps you missed my column entitled: Let's Tear Down The Casino. This is another area where Mr. Fishman and I have a sharp disagreement. He actually plans on saving the horrid mess despite my counsel to him to tear it down. The Casino was always Convention Hall's ugly sister. I'm in my 40's and it was a barely functioning, half-boarded hang-out for creeps even when I was a kid. Unlike Convention Hall, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who recalls seeing a show there. Ask around. It's usufulness was too short lived to have real historical significance. It isn't even the original structure. Right now there is less of it than more of it, so you can't really save it, rather you can build something new following the old design. That isn't saving it, so we shouldn't bother. I'm certain that if the Casino never existed, and Larry Fishman showed up with plans to build it, this board would be screaming the loudest that it is a terrible idea. The Casino is the classic example of Asbury's past being over- romanticized, so that people who didn't see Asbury in it's better times have an exaggerated interpretation of its glory. The Casino is the ugliest building at the Shore. Always was - which is one of the reasons people didn't use it for very long. Imagine the possibilities if we trusted ourselves to build something wonderful at the southern end of the boardwalk, instead of shackling ourselves to the lesser parts of our past. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People
- Original Message - From: "bluebishop82" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People Hello Tom, Hello Dave, I did many of those things below myself. Maybe you were one of the Casino Boys w/ your shirt open? Nah! Are you sure Led Zep wasn't at Convention Hall? In any event, that fine memory still seems an inadequate reason to keep ourselves shackled to the past. They didn't stay together after Bonzo died. Neither did the Casino. The spot where the City of Asbury Park will be locating their public inf. office was the actual spot where Madame Marie was located when the song was written. The new owners of the Asbury Park oceanfront saved the portable box which is a falacy. They haven't a clue about the history. I hope theCity capitaliseson the space. I'm sorry your life experiences on the boardwalk were not pleasant when you were a kid. In the 50's and 60's, Asbury was our daycare center. An incredible music scene had developed and the excitement was thrilling. Besides the ocean and beach, tell me what Asbury Park has going for it today that is going to bring jobs and people to the boardwalk and City in general. It is my belief that music history should be savedabove all historic initiatives! The Stone Pony couldn't remotely survive w/o the incredible music history. Aside from the many shows in the Casino that you don't know about and any music history, the building is unique, especially the carousal house. Ask Rick about Led Zep. Louis Navarette once floated the idea of hosting a world-wide a archetecture comptetition to determine what group could come up with the most wonderful design of a building where the Casino now stands. The thought was to invite the most masterful archetects on the globe, and raise money for a substantial prize for the winner. We would get great publicity and a world-class place to build in that spot. And who was going to build and finance this world class "spot?" If it was such a brilliant plan, it would have happened? Unfortunately the nostalgia nazi, pin-ball piners and carosel groupies convinced Fishman that the Casino should be saved for "historical" reasons, when in reality that building fails every reasonable test for historical importance. Okay, you've got my attention. Why don't you call me a music nazi, I'd like that better. Could you explain these tests you have conducted? I might change my mind if they are reasonable. There is plenty of land for many world class plans. Where are the plans? I have no doubt in my mind that the NJMHOF would succeed in the Casino and be world class. Actually I think we could someday be the envy of music museums/music venues. And Skippy thinks I lack vision. Sheesh! Have fun in your nasty old Casino instead of the world class building that could have been there. Your side won. PS - good luck with the NJ Music Hall of fame. I'm a fan of the idea. In any event, we are moving forward w/ exciting plans and events around the State of N.J... Thanks! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "David J. Mieras" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: The carousal house is an incredible design built solely for one purpose. How many carousal houses are there today in N.J. or the U.S.A.? I do not think the present owner wants to save the Casino. Talk is cheap as any politician knows. I would love to produce and display an exhibit for the NJMHOF in the carousal house someday!!! I've seen shows in the Casino, ask Ricky D about Led Zep, Tom. I've driven go-karts around the ice rink, was on the hockey team, played pinball w/ my friend's Southside and Bruce, and a whole lot of other fun thing's in the Casino. The power plant is also quite impressive to me. If you had seen the stack lit up in the 50's (what workmanship for a smoke stack), you might change your mind about these building's. Same for the carousal house. All lit, reflecting off the lake w/ the Mayfair and Palace was extraordinary. There was also a carousal building, duck pin bowling alley, theater, etc. lit to the hilt on the Ocean Grove side. Thriving stores were located boardwalk level in the power plant. It was an extremely healthy business district. It's "all" gone except the Casino and power plant. The start over again/make massive amounts of money crowd must be happy that the Casino is falling into the ocean. Saves money on future demo. The new face of Asbury has George Washington on it and George usually wins. - Original Message - From: "bluebishop82" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: To: Keady From: Asbury People Did you attend any events at the Casino in the 1960's?As for "aestheti
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: casino...boardwalk etc.
Did anyone notice how somebody tried to make the north entrance door look like a break- in hanging off the hinges? I wouldn't doubt they open a flea market in the Casino, that's the mentality. Maybe give funhouse tours through the carousal room? Sell bricks that fall in the nets? Possibilities are endless. The HoJo Hotel is fast approaching the condition of the ice rink. What is that stuff coming down the wall on the boardwalk @ 5th Avenue? You think there will be any shows this year in the bandshell? Give forklift rides to enter. Get some rockers up there and they'll bring down the house. - Original Message - From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: casino...boardwalk etc. Catching up on the forum. Had a crowd down to AP this weekend. They had to listen to my bitching about Fishman et al. You've said it all. There were crowds on the bw which was good to see and plenty of people were walking through the casino, even as early as 7 AM all weekend. I noticed the city loosened the regs on the bw and at least for this weekend, allowed bikes and dogs on the bw. I guess that's good for now at least for the bike rental place. They alos allowed people on on beach without badges at the beaches without lifeguards. When I asked Danny (4th Ave gate) about the bikes and dogs (and how come he didn;t chase me and my dog at 7 AM) he said there is a new sheriff in town and his name is I don't give a f$ck. He repeated it again just in case I didn;t hear him. I was so lazy that I drove and parked three days in a row in front of hojo's. I would like to give credit where credit is due, but we're all correct; this is not how you do things. Walking there on the Ocean Ave side you trip over the temporary fencing. For a moment I thought I was at an Israeli beachfront resort that had sporadic homicide bombings in the past few days. What we see now we should have seen the first season after the MOU and the approval of the deal. We had to wait 3 years for this? There would be plenty of approbations if this was 3 years ago, but it is not. It is unacceptable. We should see the nearing of the permanent pavillions by this time (I know Skip, this probably is permanent as long as we have Fishman). As for the casino. Great minds think alike. I had to stop myself from staging an accident just to bankrupt Asbury Partners. As I said to my guests, this development is so easy that my kids to do it and succeed. Unless our city council acts we will see the same snail's pace and half-assed performance. Hopefully, it will eventually get done. Those who tried to quiet us critics will say I told you so. They're wrong. The pavillions should be done, or substantially done by now. As it now stands, we don't even have a plan or schedule. At least not one that has been made public. Anyone notice that there are benches on only half of the bw? The bw, while better than it was, looks like a bunch of teenagers are doing it. I saw a kid selling homemade lemonade on the bw, I was wondering if he was going to be arrested for violating Fishman's vendor rights. Maybe he was a relative. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: for lighty and david...DJ hates everyone
It's the heat of competition! That is something Asbury has been lacking for decades, competition. Everything was always a deal, wink, payoff, etc. and thing's are changing. The self proclaimed gatekeepers of Asbury Park are being left in the dust. - Original Message - From: Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: for lighty and david...DJ hates everyone vituperation?..great word choice!..but be honest with me, you have thesaurus sitting next to you? the breadth of your vocabulary is quite impressive. anyway, back on topic. You are not the first person to say that this week. It's as if he failed to reup a prescription or something. tony --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do yourself a favor. DJ is completely out of control. He loses what little credibility he had remaining. .even his staunchest supporters will have a hard time taking him seriously. Tony, I hadn't read the 3city circular for some time, but couldn't resist your advice. Just read it and wow; in an earlier post I mentioned that DJ was, with few exceptions, a guy that hates everyone. After reading this barrage of vituperation I wonder about his mental stability; hopefully BB82 will fill us in about his intrepid publisher. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know you addressed your post to gary and david, but i am compelled to reply. Do youself a favor and read the article. DJ is completely out of control. He loses what little credibility he had remaining. After this article, even his staunchest supporters will have a hard time taking him seriously. It's not even worth commenting on publicly. The guy has gone over the edge. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only saw the headline on the tricrapper...whats the problem they have - I hate to ask. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season
Code enforcement is to busy threatening business owners w/ $500 per day fines for an extension cord instead of holding our beloved Asbury Partners to the development agreement terms and conditions. I guess the City has accepted the 1st Avenue pavilion paint job as a total renovation as stipulated in the agreement. What is the City afraid of? I don't get it? - Original Message - From: Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Asbury Park Readies For Busy Summer Season On 5/28/05 6:29 PM, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure there are 'debris nets' but how long before someone gets hit with something and the city is sueded? the city doesnt own the casino, so why would the city get sued? Why was New York City so worried about lawsuits from 9/11 ?If something happens to a tourist or person in Asbury Park whether or not it's property owned by Asbury Partners, I would have to believe that the city would be named in a lawsuit as well. People sue everybody even remotely related to things and there is a good point to be made that the City should make sure that people living and visiting the area be kept safe. That's why you have things like building inspections and code restrictions. There is something very, very wrong here. The pavillions that I saw yesterday were not in good shape and the one with Hojos was in shape far beyond what I would expect would condemn a building on Cookman Ave. Do they have different restrictions on the oceanfront than in the downtown district? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Lighting issue settled...
My Father worked @ the Asbury Circle HoJo.The Berkeley, Empress and Harbour Island Spa. My Grandfather probably worked @ the HoJo on the circle. Accounting/night auditors. My Father was on duty the night Little Pussy was snuffed out in West End. It was quite the story when he got home. My Grandfather was shot in 1971 by a robber @ the Empress. He wouldn't hand over the cash and the creep blasted him in the leg. He died in 1974 from the wound that never healed. Asbury was sliding downhill fast @ that time. I took leave from the U.S.A.F. to attend the funeral. Gave me a chance to get Bruce's new album and take it back to North Dakota. Already had Greetings and WIESS. That was the only redeeming factor during my leave. Met B.B. King @ U.N.D. in Fargo right after my return to base and told him about Bruce who he already knew. That was cool. - Original Message - From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Lighting issue settled... how about the new mustang? For Hojo fans, the Cyrstal Inn on the Asbury Circle was a Hojo's. Somewhere, I have a few photos of it. Take a look at: http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c6.htm Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] New Jersey Music Hall of Fame/Asbury Park
Thank you everyone who attended our press reception @ the Stone Pony on May 16th. A big thanks to Nancy Byrne, the New Jersey State Director of Tourism for all her support and words of encouragement. The resoundingconsensus is that Asbury Park deserves to be "the" destination for music tourism in New Jersey and the permanent location of the New Jersey Music Hall of Fame. We appreciate Epic recording artist Val Emmich for the excellent entertainment and the representatives from the City of Asbury Park who believe music can be the anchor in the ongoing revitalization. David J. Mieras Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Donations for historic properties
There is a big problem trying to save the ice rink portion of the Casino. The supports and deck are beyond hope. Many years of ocean pounding before the beach replenishment did major damage and when the ceiling collapsed, the water came from above.The exterior brick walls are another story. Demolishing the deck and supports would be tricky and expensive. - Original Message - From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Donations for historic properties --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tyler, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that is correct, the City and the state agreed to allow demolition of the Casino from the boardwalk to the ocean. There is no obligation to restore it at all. It is conceivable that a lawsuit could force the issue. Well perhaps I change my position on the donation issue, maybe. This is even more reason to tar and feather those responsible. IDIOTS. In any event, the raising of private funds has to be a parallel route. You can't offer that right away. You have to use the other means I suggested. The city, if it wanted to, could turn up the heat very high on APartners. Private citizens should also consider a lawsuit as well. All that makes negotiations to afford public rights and assitance in restoration more palatable. There is still the issue of the easement through the Casino. Isn't there a legal obligation to open it? We can sue for that. That requires renovation, which in turn must be done to state standards. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Anti-Depression-Kit
Hello Jim.Now you have all the tools to take Harry's on if need be. My associates and I hope to be a new business addition to downtown Asbury in early 2005 Jim, would you happen to know the status of the American Legion in Asbury Park? Happy New Year to all. David J Mieras - Original Message - From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Anti-Depression-Kit Today I receive a Anti-Depression-Kit from a lady playing Bingo at my VFW.A small bag contain a note : (1)ERASER=so you could make all your problems go away. (2)PENNY=so you will never be broke. (3)MARBLE=in case someone says you lost yours. (4)RUBBER BAND=to stretch yourself beyond your limits. (5)STRING=to tie things together when ever they fall apart. (6)HERSEY KISS=to remind you that someone,somewhere loves you. That was very nice of here to take the time to do that.And a very nice way for me start my new year off. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
