[AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why Jime Keady was voted in. Where are his comments? Jim has taken a break from this forum (shouldn't we all). Were you at the council meeting? Jim was the only one on the council who took up this issue and was basically asked to SHUT UP by Ed Johnson. Ed obviously does not appreciate what this latest trick represents, or simply doesn't care. Had you been at the meeting, you would have witnessed something that should make every citizen irate. Jim Keady, after they tried to silence him on the plan issue, brought up the issue of him being denied the floor and asked for a point of order from the city attorney pursuant to Roberts. The Deputy Mayor, Jim Bruno, basically told Keady, you want to play by the rules? Okay, you will never get three votes for anything you want on this council. That is one of his latest episodes. He has threatened to slap citizens at meetings, told them to shut up. I don't care how long he or his family has been in this town, or what he has done, he is a disgrace and obviously understands little that is brought before him. He owes his pension and his allegiance to Weldon. He should not only be removed from the council, but should be physically removed from the chambers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
Title: AOL Email Oh yes, and one more thing, a lot of you were duped into voting them in. Keady is the best thing that happened to the council, now they want to treat him like they did hamilton. They are turning on him because he is not playing their game. They are sitting down now, trying to figure out a way to silence or get rid of him. Keep your eyes open, it's going to get worse. Money and greed will definitely destroy this city again. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bruno will eventually step on the wrong toes , or should i say the right toes, and he will get his just due. Hopefully you will support a recall effort to oust him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
HERE HERE!!! I AGREE! -al --- dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why Jime Keady was voted in. Where are his comments? Jim has taken a break from this forum (shouldn't we all). Were you at the council meeting? Jim was the only one on the council who took up this issue and was basically asked to SHUT UP by Ed Johnson. Ed obviously does not appreciate what this latest trick represents, or simply doesn't care. Had you been at the meeting, you would have witnessed something that should make every citizen irate. Jim Keady, after they tried to silence him on the plan issue, brought up the issue of him being denied the floor and asked for a point of order from the city attorney pursuant to Roberts. The Deputy Mayor, Jim Bruno, basically told Keady, you want to play by the rules? Okay, you will never get three votes for anything you want on this council. That is one of his latest episodes. He has threatened to slap citizens at meetings, told them to shut up. I don't care how long he or his family has been in this town, or what he has done, he is a disgrace and obviously understands little that is brought before him. He owes his pension and his allegiance to Weldon. He should not only be removed from the council, but should be physically removed from the chambers. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
If the actual official Official Adopted Plan (whatever that is and if ever it is found) differs drastically from what was represented as being the Adopted Plan, then there are more serious questions about what is actually going on in this city with regard to the waterfront development. It is widely known that New Jersey is the most corrupt state in the Union; that said who would be surprised that official government documents at any level, remain official only until their currency becomes dated and their subsequent currency is determined to be insufficient to compensate those who paid, in good faith, to acquire whatever they may have wished from whichever governments that were then peddling public wares. I'm breathless. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked the city why the Plan was removed from its website. The answer I received raises more questions in my mind (which I posed to them), as I am sure it will in yours. It appears that when I cited pages from the Plan (which I obtained from the city website) relating to the C-8 site, the city could not find the same references in its official copy of the Adopted Plan. The cover page of the Plan from its website, and I believe the one from which reference, is dated June 5, 2002 (Amended), which coincides with the official date of adoption by the City. The City now maintains that that copy of the Plan is not that which was adopted by the Council, and thus, had it removed from its website. I might also add that it is my understanding that this is the same version which has been supplied to the public in hardcopy and for intents and purposes, has been portrayed as the Adopted Plan. Pursuant to the City, the plan that was officially adopted by the Mayor and Council on 6/5/02 has a cover page with a date of DRAFT, March 15,2002 and a latest amended date of to be determined, whatever that is supposed to mean. That is almost the same language used for the purchase price of the Triangle which was actually conveyed almost 3 years ago with the price to the City still yet to be determined. The City also maintains that the Official Adopted Plan will also contain all of the amendments adopted to the plan by Mayor and Council by ordinance numbers 2607 and 2729, and that WHEN it finds a copy of the Official Adopted Plan, it will be posted to its website. Now before I, or anyone, jumps to conclusions of malfeasance, let me say this: Even if the Official Adopted Plan (when found) is identical to the Adopted Plan which we all thought was official, the City, in the words of Ricky Ricardo, has some splainin to do. I would like to know who prepared the Amended June 5, 2002 Plan and for what purpose? This is the version of the Plan we were told represented what the City adopted as a result of the input, suggestions and testimony of the Planning Board and the public by means of a series of meetings. This is the version of the Adopted Plan that the public was given in both electronic and hardcopy format. I have heard suggestions that it was commissioned by Asbury Partners in response to the changes that were were supposed to be adopted as a result of the public meetings and Planning Board input. In fact, it is the same version which the city clerk has and until recently, assumed was the Adopted Plan as amended by ordinances enacted subsequent to 6/5/02. No one can own up to creating this document. Now if it turns out that in fact Asbury Partners created it and it is touted as being an official document, but now IS NOT, I think that proves what many of us have been saying, that is, that Asbury Partners is the preverbial tail wagging the dog. If the actual official Official Adopted Plan (whatever that is and if ever it is found) differs drastically from what was represented as being the Adopte Plan, then there are more serious questions about what is actually going on in this city with regard to the waterfront development. Far be it from me to unnecessarily cast suspicion, however, this entire process was hatched badly (Weldon) and has done nothing but raise further questions along the way. The most simplest part should be to say WHAT THE PLAN IS. We can't even say that. I am not making this stuff up. I couldn't. Watch the road. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Waterfront Redevelopment Plan Removal
This is why Jime Keady was voted in. Where are his comments?Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "If the actual official "Official Adopted Plan" (whatever that is andif ever it is found) differs drastically from what was represented asbeing the Adopted Plan, then there are more serious questions aboutwhat is actually going on in this city with regard to the waterfrontdevelopment."It is widely known that New Jersey is the most corrupt state in theUnion; that said who would be surprised that official governmentdocuments at any level, remain official only until their currencybecomes dated and their subsequent currency is determined to beinsufficient to compensate those who paid, in good faith, to acquirewhatever they may have wished from whichever governments that werethen peddling public wares. I'm breathless.--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked the city why the Plan was removed from its website. The answer I received raises more questions in my mind (which I posed to them), as I am sure it will in yours. It appears that when I cited pages from the Plan (which I obtained from the city website) relating to the C-8 site, the city could not find the same references in its "official" copy of the Adopted Plan. The cover page of the Plan from its website, and I believe the one from which reference, is dated June 5, 2002 (Amended), which coincides with the official date of adoption by the City. The City now maintains that that copy of the Plan is not that which was adopted by the Council, and thus, had it removed from its website. I might also add that it is my understanding that this is the same version which has been supplied to the public in hardcopy and for intents and purposes, has been portrayed as the Adopted Plan. Pursuant to the City, the plan that was "officially" adopted by the Mayor and Council on 6/5/02 has a cover page with a date of DRAFT, March 15,2002 and a latest amended date of "to be determined," whatever that is supposed to mean. That is almost the same language used for the purchase price of the Triangle which was actually conveyed almost 3 years ago with the price to the City still yet to be determined. The City also maintains that the Official Adopted Plan will also contain all of the amendments adopted to the plan by Mayor and Council by ordinance numbers 2607 and 2729, and that WHEN it finds a copy of the Official Adopted Plan, it will be posted to its website. Now before I, or anyone, jumps to conclusions of malfeasance, let me say this: Even if the Official Adopted Plan (when found) is identical to the Adopted Plan which we all thought was "official", the City, in the words of Ricky Ricardo, "has some splainin to do." I would like to know who prepared the Amended June 5, 2002 Plan and for what purpose? This is the version of the Plan we were told represented what the City adopted as a result of the input, suggestions and testimony of the Planning Board and the public by means of a series of meetings. This is the version of the Adopted Plan that the public was given in both electronic and hardcopy format. I have heard suggestions that it was commissioned by Asbury Partners in response to the changes that were were supposed to be adopted as a result of the public meetings and Planning Board input. In fact, it is the same version which the city clerk has and until recently, assumed was the Adopted Plan as amended by ordinances enacted subsequent to 6/5/02. No one can own up to creating this document. Now if it turns out that in fact Asbury Partners created it and it is touted as being an "official" document, but now IS NOT, I think that proves what many of us have been saying, that is, that Asbury Partners is the preverbial tail wagging the dog. If the actual official Official Adopted Plan (whatever that is and if ever it is found) differs drastically from what was represented as being the Adopte Plan, then there are more serious questions about what is actually going on in this city with regard to the waterfront development. Far be it from me to unnecessarily cast suspicion, however, this entire process was hatched badly (Weldon) and has done nothing but raise further questions along the way. The most simplest part should be to say WHAT THE PLAN IS. We can't even say that. I am not making this stuff up. I couldn't. Watch the road. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park
