[AsburyPark] The Plan...
No one really answered the question I posed first thing this morning-ish re: The Plan. When do people think the first couple of blocks will be developed as set forth in The Plan, how many years? 10 years? 20 years? Never? I have 23 years left on my mortgage, what will AP look like then I wonder? I can't help but think that all this discussion will be moot because most if The Plan will never be realized. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The Plan...
25 years.. *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* Claire Davids Managing Partner i-Parcel LLC Tel: +12015491502 Mobile: +16464316239 www.i-parcel.com On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** No one really answered the question I posed first thing this morning-ish re: The Plan. When do people think the first couple of blocks will be developed as set forth in The Plan, how many years? 10 years? 20 years? Never? I have 23 years left on my mortgage, what will AP look like then I wonder? I can't help but think that all this discussion will be moot because most if The Plan will never be realized. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] RESTAURANT PLAN B
Restaurant Plan B will be open for our regular hours tonight Friday. SATURDAY we plan on being open from 4pm-9pm. If you are staying local we will offer a IRENE special 50% off your check. Restaurant Plan B 705 Cookman Ave. 732-807-4710 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A Plan for the West Side from Asbury Park, Georgia....
Yes, there is another Asbury Park, this one a redevelopment effort as well - complete with railroad tracks and all. Also an ambitious plan. http://www.asburyparkga.com http://www.hapeville.org/index.asp?NID=198 http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/business/0320hapeville/6.html Now there is affordable housing Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] RESTAURANT PLAN B
Dont forget Restaurant Plan B is now offering a 4 course prix fixe dinner tuesday - friday 4:30pm-6:30pm brunch saturday starting at 10amand brunch sunday starting at 10am THIS SATURDAY OCTOBER 4TH NEW JERSEY GAY MEN'S CHOIR WILL BE PREFORMING AT RESTAURANT PLAN B FROM 7:30-9PM COME SUPPORT THEM AND HAVE A GREAT DINNER. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The plan needs
porkroll,, steak sandwiches, cal burgers, sausage n peppers, waffles n Ice cream and some traditional boardwalk junk - for the sake of history. I see I might have a purpose. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The plan needs
In a message dated 1/15/2008 9:36:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: porkroll,, steak sandwiches, cal burgers, sausage n peppers, waffles n Ice cream and some traditional boardwalk junk - for the sake of history. I see I might have a purpose. Ah yes! Pork roll and cheese on traditional Kneip rolls (originally made for Steinbach's Restaurant according to Helen Pike). Find a spot to plant West End's original Windmill structure and (Joe and Barbara's) Inkwell, maybe even Max's hot dogs on our Circuit since they no longer suit Long Branch's yuppie cookie cutter. And steal the Heritage festivals from the Garden State Arts Center (I'm still in denial about PNC): Polish, German, Italian, Scottish, et al. Like Oceanport's residents during the track season, let us with space provide the extra parking spaces for a fee. Gotta be one realistic idea in that wish list. If not, no prob. I'm still excited about yesterday's press release. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [AsburyPark] The plan needs
While still trippin' on this fantasy...Imagine more famous shore names, with their accompanying good will, on the BW. Bring Kelly's (Kelly's by the Sea?), wonderfully loud and efficient, from the hinterlands of Neptune. Scratch Clancey's; it never measured up. For the bennies, Rut's Hut by the Sea, Ting-a-Ling's Italian hot dogs. BW Hofbrauhaus. Some authentic Cape Cod style lobster roll. And the classic killer: Zeppolis! That Water Park tucked among the concept images looks really cool. Sigh. In a message dated 1/15/2008 10:25:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ah yes! Pork roll and cheese on traditional Kneip rolls (originally made for Steinbach's Restaurant according to Helen Pike). Find a spot to plant West End's original Windmill structure and (Joe and Barbara's) Inkwell, maybe even Max's hot dogs on our Circuit since they no longer suit Long Branch's yuppie cookie cutter. And steal the Heritage festivals from the Garden State Arts Center (I'm still in denial about PNC): Polish, German, Italian, Scottish, et al. Like Oceanport's residents during the track season, let us with space provide the extra parking spaces for a fee. Gotta be one realistic idea in that wish list. If not, no prob. I'm still excited about yesterday's press release. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
[AsburyPark] City Plan, Misrepresentations - Lies?
To paraphrase: 'If you tell a lie long enough, people will begin to beleive it.' That Duany was the primary source of creating our Redevelopment Plan is still being cited as a good reason to accept it without question. A good tactic from a public relations view, but far from the truth. One needs to look at the factual history of the evolution of the current Plan to determine what hapened. First the biggest lie needs to dispelled. The lie that the Plan was held up in bankruptcy court as a asset of Carabetta and subject to the powers of the Court. It was the Redevloper Agreement between the City and Carabetta that was held as an asset in the bankruptcy. That agreement was the contract that obligated implimentation of the adopted land use and zoning in place at the time. A Redevopment Plan is the publicly adopted set of criteria that sets forth land uses such as residentail, commercial, entertainment, etc. The Plan is owned by the public and can not and was not held as an asset of Carabetta's. Redeveloper Agreement = Contract to perform = Held in Bankruptcy Redevelopment Plan = Land use and Zoning = The Local Law Whoever became the developer was obligated to build out what the law specified. So what happened? The City settled the litigation with Carabetta and agreed to transfer his rights (the contract) to Asbury Partners. That contract obligated them to impliment the existing Plan because that is what was adopted and had the force of law at that time. Instead the City entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) which was treated as a contract modification to settle the litigation. The MOU set forth development criteria and land uses that were in violation of the existing adopted, legal land uses. The MOU was, from that point on, treated as the New Plan upon which all subsequent Plans were built. This is where the major error was made. A City can not devise redevelopment plans by contract, it violates the public process established by the Municipal Land Use Law. Changing land use and zoning to satisfy a prearranged contract is illegal. That is how Asbury Park went from a mixed use resort, entertainment, residential Plan (v1991) that was the Law at the time, to a primarily residential Plan. The Real Plan-1991 was ignored. The MOU (Settlement Agreement) was taken as the New Plan and off everyone went to build a new Asbury Park. When the New Plan was publicized many residents and stake holders voiced their concerns about the New Asbury Park. Condos are nice but what about the Palace, The Pony, Entertainment, Historic Landmarks, Public Lands, the Architecture, etc etc ? Enter Duany - The City hires Duany to iron out all the details, mediate, and create design standards. His quote diring the public presentation - 'this is planning by contract' -- OUCH !!! In the end, land uses did not change, they still reflect the MOU, Condos everywhere. We got narrower streets, smaller sidewalks, lost the Palace, lost the entire public oceanfront, better architecture at least I attribute most of the mis-steps to a City Council unwilling to take input from knowledgaable people who had the Public's interests in mind. Also, there was no City Planner on staff throughout this entire period. Werner PS - for a typical developer Condos are an easy to build cash cow (in a good market). Real Redevelpment - Community based, Heritage based, Economics based - takes a much higher skill level and commitment that in the end would be better for the City. From Tommy: As to why the plan has 3000 condos, he is jumping to conclusions that just the developer wanted that. From Sea Bright to Long Branch to Belmar, all of Monmouth County's previous tourist towns went to year-round residential rather than seasonal tourism, because Monmouth County has changed Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City Plan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The person who designed the citys plan has done many many plans. Go to City Place in WPB Florida they took a depressed part of that town and made it into something special. ... http://www.cityplace.com/AboutCityPlace.html Fred, what exactly are you implying here as it relates to Asbury Park? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tomorrow's Plan
TOMORROW - April 8th from 11am until 1pm at WISH YOU WERE HERE - 612 Cookman Ave Stop by for coffee and meet candidates Susan Bisaha, Greg Brewington, Robert DiSanto and Geneva Smallwood. Pick up AP|Action's Lawn Sign for the Board of Education Election. Pick up an Absentee Ballot Application if you need one - the deadline for mailing is this Tuesday!! - or you can get one at www.apaction.org. Meet the new owners of Wish You Were Here and see how hard they have been working on the place - it really is great! Please come by and show your support for members of the community that are committed to making a positive change for Asbury Park. I hope to see you there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Master Plan Public Hearing
Very unfortunate that there has been no dicussion of the re-writing of the City's Master Plan. This is the most significant set of documents that will guide the future development of Asbury Park for years. The documents are at: http://tinyurl.com/7kgyp The PUBLIC HEARING is being held tonight at 6pm. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Plan
To make it easier to discuss the C8 problem, some terms need to be clarified to make it easier to talk about: THE PLAN: There is only one plan. Always has been just one. It has been amended 3 times, but that does not make for a new plan. It is the same plan, but amended. The Plan is the 1984 plan and it is still in effect today. 1989 Amendment: The 1984 Plan was amended in 1989. It is properly called The 1984 plan amended in 1989. Or simply, The Plan because there is still only one. 1991 Amendment: The Plan was amended again. It is properly called the 1984 plan amended in 1989 and 1991. Or simply The Plan because there is still only one. 2002 Amendment: The Plan was amdended again in 2002. It is propertly called The 1984 plan amended in 1989, 1991 and 2002. Or simply The Plan because there is still only one. This is where we are today: One plan, amended 3 times. The current dispute centers on there being 2 different proposals that were drafted for the 2002 amendment. One proposal is dated March 15, 2002, the other June 5, 2002. The dispute is: Which proposal did the council vote on? Make no mistake that before they are adopted by council vote, they are both nothing more than proposals whether they say draft or anything else on them. Accordingly, to discuss what the amendment was in 2002, they must be referred to as the March Proposal or the June Proposal. Recap: 1 Plan (1984); 3 Amendments (1989, 1991, 2002). Regarding the above 2002 amendment, 2 Proposals - March and June. If anyone is not using these terms, that person is using the wrong terms and making the matter too confusing to talk about. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] The Plan
bluebiship, that makes it pretty easy to understand. i knew all this stuff at one time, but the last year, i havnt been following things as closley as i use to. and forgot most of the things, but i do remember that now. was there something somewhere that talked about the c8, if it should come down? i thought thats what all the talk was about. the fact that, now that the c8 has to come down, that only a 8 sotry building could be built. is that true? if that is true, how can the the plan for c8 still be built out?bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it easier to discuss the C8 problem, some terms need to be clarified to make it easier to talk about:THE PLAN: There is only one plan. Always has been just one. It has been amended 3 times, but that does not make for a new plan. It is the same plan, but amended. "The Plan" is the 1984 plan and it is still in effect today.1989 Amendment: "The 1984 Plan" was amended in 1989. It is properly called "The 1984 plan amended in 1989." Or simply, "The Plan" because there is still only one.1991 Amendment: "The Plan" was amended again. It is properly called "the 1984 plan amended in 1989 and 1991." Or simply "The Plan" because there is still only one.2002 Amendment: "The Plan" was amdended again in 2002. It is propertly called "The 1984 plan amended in 1989, 1991 and 2002." Or simply "The Plan" because there is still only one. This is where we are today: One plan, amended 3 times.The current dispute centers on there being 2 different "proposals" that were drafted for the 2002 amendment. One "proposal" is dated March 15, 2002, the other June 5, 2002. The dispute is: Which proposal did the council vote on?"Make no mistake that before they are adopted by council vote, they are both nothing more than "proposals" whether they say "draft" or anything else on them. Accordingly, to discuss what the amendment was in 2002, they must be referred to as the "March Proposal" or the "June Proposal."Recap: 1 Plan (1984); 3 Amendments (1989, 1991, 2002). Regarding the above 2002 amendment, 2 "Proposals" - March and June.If anyone is not using these terms, that person is using the wrong terms and making the matter too confusing to talk about. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
