[AsburyPark] freedom is just another word
I believe that BlueBishop wasn't trying to deny that the beaches of Asbury were segregated. I believe his point, and I am 100% sure he will confirm or deny, was that there was no official policy concerning the use of Asbury Park's beaches. That the same racist attitudes still exist in the hearts and minds of people of all races is still true. What role racism plays in Asbury Park today is an interesting question and topic for this group. What role racism is playing in the Police Directors gig is what started this thread and is a most pertinent and enduring question and a question that needs to be answered. Vin Scelsa is still on the radio, he does a Saturday night show called Idiots Delight from 8 to midnight and last night he had Daniel Wolf on. Wolf is the author of 4th of July Asbury Park A History of the Promised Land. For those of you who don't know DJ Vin Scelsa. Vin was amongst the original WNEW FM DJs that took FM radio in NYC and created a short lived but much loved genre of radio called free form. Vin was the on air DJ the horrible night that John Lennon was shot. The same night Bruce and the E Streeters performed in Philadelphia and went on with the show after they heard the news half way through the concert. Anyway, Vin is a master interviewer, especially with authors, and his 4 hour interview with Daniel Wolf is a great listen, especially for those who are into Bruce. Wolf brought a recording of Dr Zoom and the Sonic Boom doing a wild psychedelic version of Carol King's Will You Love Me Tomorrow. They also discuss at length the role that racism played in AP. If anyone wants to listen to the interview follow this link, http://mywebpages.comcast.net/iddiot_tree/ and right click on the .zip file. You will be able to download a zipped MP3 file that is the entire show. If anyone needs assistance getting the file, please email me off digest and I will assist you. It is really very easy to download and listen. A couple things I didn't know from last night. The riots in Asbury were not a part of the nationwide riots that hit Newark and LA??? I always thought they were the same, however, according to wolf, AP's riots were 2 years later. Wolf also spoke about fights that occurred after a Frankie Lymon show at Convention Hall that spread to the boardwalk, very interesting. It is pretty amazing that a city with such a vast history as Asbury Parks, a history that literally includes most of the most famous performers, politicians and scene makers from most of the 20th century, has become defined by Bruce Springsteen. I imagine that in 100 years, when they talk about AP, Bruce will still be what they talk about. And that ain't a bad thing, after all, Bruce's early work captures all that Asbury had to offer in the most amazing literate terms, starting of course with Sandy, and sadly bookended by My City In Ruins. There are X number of structures in Asbury Park. Many of which have lied in a dormant or rotting state for way to many years. Of those structures, houses and apartments and commercial buildings, I wonder what percentage of them have changed ownership and either have been rehabilitated, or are being rehabilitated at this time. Even without the waterfront redevelopment, the fact that Asbury is being reconstructed is a hard fact to argue with. When all is said and done, what Asbury Park will look and feel like might just amaze us. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] freedom is just another word
Bruce has never tried to distance himself from Asbury and that endeared the core fans. He always comes back and doesn't forget his roots. That is why Bruce and Asbury are like peanut butter and jelly. In the mid 1960's there were actually black kids I spoke to @ Neptune Intermediate School that had never been to the beach. Just a mile or two West of the ocean and never saw a wave break. The only explanation I have is that they were afraid. I remember this because I started b.s.'ing a young boy about how we go ice skating on the ocean and glide up and down on the frozen waves. He believed me which I thought incredible. I think it was 1964 when the Ocean Grove Grammar School was integrated? Talk about token efforts, our school enrolled Rayford Taylor who was in my 6th grade class. Ocean Grove Elementary had grades K through 6th and Rayford was the only Black. As you can see, change did not come easily even w/ the Federal mandate. It was only six years later that the Asbury riots occurred. White flight was instantaneous from Asbury after the riots. People were scared to shop and visit. The only success for the City after 1970 was the music scene. That is why music must lead the way in the re-birth. Everybody loves music! The New Jersey Music Hall of Fame is working diligently to be a defining presence for future generation. - Original Message - From: traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] freedom is just another word I believe that BlueBishop wasn't trying to deny that the beaches of Asbury were segregated. I believe his point, and I am 100% sure he will confirm or deny, was that there was no official policy concerning the use of Asbury Park's beaches. That the same racist attitudes still exist in the hearts and minds of people of all races is still true. What role racism plays in Asbury Park today is an interesting question and topic for this group. What role racism is playing in the Police Directors gig is what started this thread and is a most pertinent and enduring question and a question that needs to be answered. Vin Scelsa is still on the radio, he does a Saturday night show called Idiots Delight from 8 to midnight and last night he had Daniel Wolf on. Wolf is the author of 4th of July Asbury Park A History of the Promised Land. For those of you who don't know DJ Vin Scelsa. Vin was amongst the original WNEW FM DJs that took FM radio in NYC and created a short lived but much loved genre of radio called free form. Vin was the on air DJ the horrible night that John Lennon was shot. The same night Bruce and the E Streeters performed in Philadelphia and went on with the show after they heard the news half way through the concert. Anyway, Vin is a master interviewer, especially with authors, and his 4 hour interview with Daniel Wolf is a great listen, especially for those who are into Bruce. Wolf brought a recording of Dr Zoom and the Sonic Boom doing a wild psychedelic version of Carol King's Will You Love Me Tomorrow. They also discuss at length the role that racism played in AP. If anyone wants to listen to the interview follow this link, http://mywebpages.comcast.net/iddiot_tree/ and right click on the .zip file. You will be able to download a zipped MP3 file that is the entire show. If anyone needs assistance getting the file, please email me off digest and I will assist you. It is really very easy to download and listen. A couple things I didn't know from last night. The riots in Asbury were not a part of the nationwide riots that hit Newark and LA??? I always thought they were the same, however, according to wolf, AP's riots were 2 years later. Wolf also spoke about fights that occurred after a Frankie Lymon show at Convention Hall that spread to the boardwalk, very interesting. It is pretty amazing that a city with such a vast history as Asbury Parks, a history that literally includes most of the most famous performers, politicians and scene makers from most of the 20th century, has become defined by Bruce Springsteen. I imagine that in 100 years, when they talk about AP, Bruce will still be what they talk about. And that ain't a bad thing, after all, Bruce's early work captures all that Asbury had to offer in the most amazing literate terms, starting of course with Sandy, and sadly bookended by My City In Ruins. There are X number of structures in Asbury Park. Many of which have lied in a dormant or rotting state for way to many years. Of those structures, houses and apartments and commercial buildings, I wonder what percentage of them have changed ownership and either have been rehabilitated, or are being rehabilitated at this time. Even without the waterfront redevelopment, the fact that Asbury is being reconstructed is a hard fact to argue with. When all is said and done, what Asbury Park will look and feel like might just
Re: [AsburyPark] freedom is just another word
What I find so remarkable here is instead of facing the racism, it's explained away, which is why riots as you call them occur! You keep backing a certain group into a corner, noting the history of slavery and the spewing of propaganda that says all men are created equal, then you turn around and run as fast as you can to get to your safe little havens AWAY from that, which you won't acknowledge. It's hypocritical to say the least! Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note: message attached Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---BeginMessage--- I believe that BlueBishop wasn't trying to deny that the beaches of Asbury were segregated. I believe his point, and I am 100% sure he will confirm or deny, was that there was no official policy concerning the use of Asbury Park's beaches. That the same racist attitudes still exist in the hearts and minds of people of all races is still true. What role racism plays in Asbury Park today is an interesting question and topic for this group. What role racism is playing in the Police Directors gig is what started this thread and is a most pertinent and enduring question and a question that needs to be answered. Vin Scelsa is still on the radio, he does a Saturday night show called Idiots Delight from 8 to midnight and last night he had Daniel Wolf on. Wolf is the author of 4th of July Asbury Park A History of the Promised Land. For those of you who don't know DJ Vin Scelsa. Vin was amongst the original WNEW FM DJs that took FM radio in NYC and created a short lived but much loved genre of radio called free form. Vin was the on air DJ the horrible night that John Lennon was shot. The same night Bruce and the E Streeters performed in Philadelphia and went on with the show after they heard the news half way through the concert. Anyway, Vin is a master interviewer, especially with authors, and his 4 hour interview with Daniel Wolf is a great listen, especially for those who are into Bruce. Wolf brought a recording of Dr Zoom and the Sonic Boom doing a wild psychedelic version of Carol King's Will You Love Me Tomorrow. They also discuss at length the role that racism played in AP. If anyone wants to listen to the interview follow this link, http://mywebpages.comcast.net/iddiot_tree/ and right click on the .zip file. You will be able to download a zipped MP3 file that is the entire show. If anyone needs assistance getting the file, please email me off digest and I will assist you. It is really very easy to download and listen. A couple things I didn't know from last night. The riots in Asbury were not a part of the nationwide riots that hit Newark and LA??? I always thought they were the same, however, according to wolf, AP's riots were 2 years later. Wolf also spoke about fights that occurred after a Frankie Lymon show at Convention Hall that spread to the boardwalk, very interesting. It is pretty amazing that a city with such a vast history as Asbury Parks, a history that literally includes most of the most famous performers, politicians and scene makers from most of the 20th century, has become defined by Bruce Springsteen. I imagine that in 100 years, when they talk about AP, Bruce will still be what they talk about. And that ain't a bad thing, after all, Bruce's early work captures all that Asbury had to offer in the most amazing literate terms, starting of course with Sandy, and sadly bookended by My City In Ruins. There are X number of structures in Asbury Park. Many of which have lied in a dormant or rotting state for way to many years. Of those structures, houses and apartments and commercial buildings, I wonder what percentage of them have changed ownership and either have been rehabilitated, or are being rehabilitated at this time. Even without the waterfront redevelopment, the fact that Asbury is being reconstructed is a hard fact to argue with. When all is said and done, what Asbury Park will look and feel like might just amaze us. ---End Message---
