Re: maintaining non-Lisp systems with ASDF

2015-09-24 Thread Robert P. Goldman
That's what :defsystem-depends-on is for.

Please let me know if you don't find it adequately documented in the manual...

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> On Sep 24, 2015, at 19:41, Robert Dodier  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Faré  wrote:
>> 
>> What you really need to do is:
> 
> Thanks, I will take a look at that. It is working well enough for the
> moment, but I will circle back later to polish it up.
> 
> I have a question now about how to ensure that the :maxima-file
> component type is defined before it is used. Let's say I have foo.asd
> which has :maxima-file components. Ideally I would like to simply say
> (asdf:load-system :foo) without having to load the maxima-file
> definition before. It occurred to me to put (defsystem foo :depends-on
> ("maxima-file") ...) and move the :maxima-file stuff into another
> system. But that doesn't work, of course, because :maxima-file is not
> yet defined before the :foo system is parsed, and I get an error about
> :maxima-file being unrecognized.
> 
> I can put (load-system :maxima-file) before (defsystem foo ...) and
> then it works OK. I'm happy that it works, but it seems a little messy
> to me -- there are now two kinds of dependencies, one kind that has to
> be loaded before the defsystem, and the other after ...
> 
> It's not a big deal, but can anyone think of a way to move the
> maxima-file dependency back into the :depends-on list?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Robert Dodier
> 



Re: maintaining non-Lisp systems with ASDF

2015-09-24 Thread Robert Dodier
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Faré  wrote:

> What you really need to do is:

Thanks, I will take a look at that. It is working well enough for the
moment, but I will circle back later to polish it up.

I have a question now about how to ensure that the :maxima-file
component type is defined before it is used. Let's say I have foo.asd
which has :maxima-file components. Ideally I would like to simply say
(asdf:load-system :foo) without having to load the maxima-file
definition before. It occurred to me to put (defsystem foo :depends-on
("maxima-file") ...) and move the :maxima-file stuff into another
system. But that doesn't work, of course, because :maxima-file is not
yet defined before the :foo system is parsed, and I get an error about
:maxima-file being unrecognized.

I can put (load-system :maxima-file) before (defsystem foo ...) and
then it works OK. I'm happy that it works, but it seems a little messy
to me -- there are now two kinds of dependencies, one kind that has to
be loaded before the defsystem, and the other after ...

It's not a big deal, but can anyone think of a way to move the
maxima-file dependency back into the :depends-on list?

Thanks for your help,

Robert Dodier



Re: maintaining non-Lisp systems with ASDF

2015-09-24 Thread Robert Goldman
On 9/23/15 Sep 23 -3:55 PM, Robert Dodier wrote:
> Hey everybody,
> 
> I've made some more progress with a Maxima extension for ASDF
> (attached). At this point it works pretty much as expected, for the
> simple examples I've tried. I think you should be able to use in
> Maxima like this: load("maxima_asdf.lisp"); asdf_load("foo"); to load
> foo.asd, which may contain :maxima-file components. asdf_load
> translates :maxima-files and compiles the resulting Lisp, while
> asdf_load_source just interprets the :maxima-files.
> 
> At this point the only thing I wish I could change (and this is a
> minor item) is that output file paths are something like
> $HOME/.cache/common-lisp/.
> I'm constructing the /... part of it. I wonder if it's
> possible to tell ASDF it doesn't need to put in the
>  part.
> 
> Thanks for your help, and if you have any comments, I would be
> interested to hear about it.

Robert, please consider writing up your experience, even as a short
bulleted list of items, with information about what was *missing* from
the documentation.  That will help us make this easier for the next person.

thanks!
r





Re: Bundle operations

2015-09-24 Thread Daniel Kochmański
Hello,

I'm in favor of making it the default option. Regarding detecting if
it's corrected - it was already OK in ECL 16.0.0, so I suppose it should
be the default from lexically detected version 16.0.0 onwards.

Best regards,
Daniel

Faré writes:

> Dear Daniel, dear Jean-Claude,
>
> when asdf-ecl was initially written, its load-fasl-op was intended
> as the default way to load a system. Because of implementation bugs
> revealed as ASDF improved its testing, this feature was disabled at
> some point while developing ASDF 3.1. Now that these implementation
> bugs seem to have been solved, for both ECL and MKCL, the question is:
> do you guys want me to make load-bundle-op (as it is now named)
> the default *load-system-operation* on ECL and/or MKCL?
>
> And if so, what test shall I use or not use in determining whether
> the implementation is recent enough to use this feature without bug?
> I suppose it's better to check against a recent version of ECL that I can test
> against this feature than over an older version that may or may not work.
>
> This is probably not a change that should happen in 3.1.6,
> but probably shortly afterwards.
>
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