Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
Umesh: Yet the most remarkable feature of the Bibl is its unity. The different books of the Bible were written over a period of at least 1200 years from ancient oral collections by a large number of diverse authors in several languages, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek etc. Yet all bear witness fundamentally to the same understanding of the nature of God: a God who acts, God who redeems and God who gives hope. Compared to that, Hindu scriptures, all mostly written in the same language, are known for their diversity of gods and subjects and philosophies often times which are 180 degree apart from each other. Thus the central theme of God itself is rather very much weakened in Hinduism and one has to search with arguments the real God. If Christianity can be said to be a river, Hinduism may be said to be an ocean which absorbs all. If Christianity may be compared to a single mango tree, Hinduism may be compared to a huge banyan tree where one cannot differentiate which is themain root and which are the branches touching the ground and shooting new roots. The above perspective may help you in your endeavor. Rajen-da - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Bible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the >same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop. >PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet >Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says. Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Rajen-da, I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you raise the issue I may point out that NO religion allows women priests --even now. No Pope or Shankaracharya or Imam or Chief Rabbi is a woman . No non-white guy has ever become a Pope just as no non-Brahmin has ever beome a Shankaracharya. Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad.Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >HINDUS: Indians --Hindus esp were content in letting reading of scrptures be the game of a small coterie -- the so-called brahmin priests hence there was no thrust in >promoting faith by educating followers to become literate
Re: [Assam] Rediff: Indians used palm leaf till 700 years ago
Can't HPI shout out loud and demand this tiny restoration cost from India's Archeology/Person-of- Indan-Origin-Dept? mm From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: [Assam] Rediff: Indians used palm leaf till 700 years agoDate: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:45:29 +0100 (BST) http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/25hindu.htm?q=np&file=.htmUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, (Washington D.C. Metro Region)MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/website: www.gse.harvard.edu/iep Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >___>assam mailing list>assam@assamnet.org>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fw: Child Labor Ban in India
Go to this link and click on each photo to read the comments. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/10/photogalleries/child-labor/index.html ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Northeast politicians embezzling funds: Jairam Ramesh
Northeast politicians embezzling funds: Jairam Ramesh Shillong, Oct 20: Union Minister of State for Commerce Jairam Ramesh has accused politicians in the northeast of misusing central funds pumped to the region for development work."The central government spends Rs.150 billion each year for the northeast. Had the money been given directly to the people, poverty would have been alleviated by now," the minister told a seminar Thursday on 'Look East Policy' organised by the Synod College in the Meghalaya state capital. Ramesh urged the people in the northeast to seek documents and accounts, taking advantage of the Right to Information Act."The people were deprived of their dues because a large chunk of the funds goes to politicians, their patrons, contractors, builders, and the rich influential class," the minister said here. He said infrastructural growth in the northeast was far from satisfactory and accused the regional governments of incompetence and failure to plug the leakage of central funds.The minister's scathing attack embarrassed Meghalaya Chief Minister J.D. Rymbai and other top politicians present at the meeting."Where has the money gone? The people have every right to ask these questions to those who are in the seat of power," Ramesh said. --- IANS Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Fw: ecohydrology - River Brahmaputra - fish assemblage - habitat distribution - flood regime
There are many articles written on Brahmaputra; Here is an abstract of a recent article by Sanchita Boruah of Dibrugarh Universty. Rajen Barua Sanchita Boruah1 and S.P. Biswas1 (1) Department of Life Sciences, Dibrugarh University, Assam, 786 004, India Abstract The Brahmaputra changes its course and pattern along with its current flow very frequently especially in its upper stretches and this has a strong bearing on its hydrobiology. The hydro-geological pattern of the Brahmaputra has resulted in a possible zonation of the river into five major types of fish habitat. Altogether 167 fish species have been recorded from the upper Brahmaputra of which about 30 percent may be considered as ornamental varieties. Again, according to their seasonal availability, the fish fauna has been grouped into four principal categories. Among all the hydrological factors, flood impulse is probably the strongest factor that regulates other limnological conditions and faunal distribution. Usually, there are three or four high floods between May and October and fish migration is intimately related to this flood regime. During the dry season fishing is mostly restricted to near the confluents of tributaries or channels and also at river meanders. However, large-scale felling of trees in the catchment areas and construction of embankments along the river banks have altered the riverine ecosystem drastically, as a result of which, the river has become heavily silted and the connecting channels of the floodplain lakes are also dammed. Consequently, fishes and other megafauna are deprived of adequate water cover, food supply and breeding grounds. An ecohydrological approach has been advocated for habitat restoration. ecohydrology - River Brahmaputra - fish assemblage - habitat distribution - flood regime ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
Umesh: I congratulate in your endeavor. This may give you an opportunity to acquaint yourself with the Hindu scriptures. But remember the saying, 'the devil is in the details'.One way to simplify your job is by process of elimination. I would suggest you find one single Hindu scriptures out of the myriads and try to establish the historicity. That will serve a solid purpose instead of speaking in generality. Or if you find any book which has established such historicity please let me know. Rajen da - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Rajen-da, I just sawthe museum's exhibit this weekend and so takingme time to make comparisons. One thing which struck me was that even in Christianity most priests and missionaries relied on oral tradition to transmit the tales and teachings over centuries since books or even paper was nearly non-existent at the time of Christ. some used wooden boards and leafs to write on (like Indians). Thus, the Hindu scriptures tell tales of much earlier period -so there were hardly any written material of that period . Books developed much later -and hence Bible (which is a collection of books) and Hindu scriptures etc were gathered fromdifferent sources and much recently declared and true and officially accepted copies. Hindu scriptures are much bigger - in more detail so cannot be compiled in a single book - unlike Christian and muslim or Jewish scriptures which are concise enough to put placed in a single book form. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you then have a comarable collection of scripture book in Hinduism? Rajen da - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Bible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the >same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop. >PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet >Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says. Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Rajen-da, I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you rais
[Assam] Rediff: Indians used palm leaf till 700 years ago
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2006/oct/25hindu.htm?q=np&file=.htmUmesh Sharma5121 Lackawanna STCollege Park, (Washington D.C. Metro Region)MD 20740 1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]Ed.M. - International Education PolicyHarvard Graduate School of Education,Harvard University,Class of 2005weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/website: www.gse.harvard.edu/iep Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy &IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
why? Umesh> Dear Umesh, Please enlighten us -why. You do deserve to be a GURU-I mean it! mm From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED],assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy &IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussionsDate: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:05:50 +0100 (BST) Rajen-da, I just sawthe museum's exhibit this weekend and so takingme time to make comparisons. One thing which struck me was that even in Christianity most priests and missionaries relied on oral tradition to transmit the tales and teachings over centuries since books or even paper was nearly non-existent at the time of Christ. some used wooden boards and leafs to write on (like Indians). Thus, the Hindu scriptures tell tales of much earlier period -so there were hardly any written material of that period . Books developed much later -and hence Bible (which is a collection of books) and Hindu scriptures etc were gathered fromdifferent sources and much recently declared and true and officially accepted copies. Hindu scriptures are much bigger - in more detail so cannot be compiled in a single book - unlike Christian and muslim or Jewish scriptures which are concise enough to put placed in a single book form. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you then have a comarable collection of scripture book in Hinduism? Rajen da - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Bible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the >same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop. >PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet >Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says. Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions Rajen-da, I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you raise the issue I may point out that NO religion allows women priests --even now. No Pope or Shankaracharya or Imam or Chief Rabbi is a woman . No non-white guy has ever become a Pope just as no non-Brahmin has ever beome a Shankaracharya. Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad.Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >HINDUS: Indians --Hindus esp were content in letting reading of scrptures be the game of a small coterie -- the so-called brahmin priests hence there was no thrust in >promoting faith by educating followers to become literate so that they can read scriptures.
Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.....casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussions
Rajen-da, I just sawthe museum's exhibit this weekend and so takingme time to make comparisons. One thing which struck me was that even in Christianity most priests and missionaries relied on oral tradition to transmit the tales and teachings over centuries since books or even paper was nearly non-existent at the time of Christ. some used wooden boards and leafs to write on (like Indians). Thus, the Hindu scriptures tell tales of much earlier period -so there were hardly any written material of that period . Books developed much later -and hence Bible (which is a collection of books) and Hindu scriptures etc were gathered fromdifferent sources and much recently declared and true and officially accepted copies. Hindu scriptures are much bigger - in more detail so cannot be compiled in a single book - unlike Christian and muslim or Jewish scriptures which are concise enough to put placed in a single book form. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you then have a comarable collection of scripture book in Hinduism? Rajen da- Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussionsBible is also a collection of hundreds of scriptures. UmeshBarua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the >same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh: First, you are trying to compare the historicity of the Bible, the Book, against the historicity of the Hindu scriptures. But before you do that, I think you need to narrow your focus on a particular Hindu scripture as there are literally hundreds of Hindu scriptures and all of them are not supposed to be historical, some are purely philosophical. In my opinion what makes Bible the unique is that there are some records of writing which one can put a date scientifically. Question is does any Hindu scripture have any such records of writing that one can put a date? Historicity is determined by how many people actually recorded the event after it happened. Say in case of Rama, do we have any other record of writing other than that of Valmiki? Or do we find the same story in any other recording other than the Ramayana? You must be very objective in your research. Overall I think it will be a good excercise. Please keep us in the loop. >PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet >Muhammad. According to Bertrand Russell, religion has not served any purpose in the world. According to me, it has at least served one purpose; it has contributed to the invention of writing and to the spread of language. So be careful, if you try to take away the reading books from reliogion, you will be left with nothing as Russel says. Rajen-da. - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Guru Granth.casteism vs Bible, literacy & IndustrialRevolution; development - Beyond discussionsRajen-da, I was trying to bring out some good things about Christian faith --not denounce some negatives about Hindu faith. However, since you raise the issue I may point out that NO religion allows women priests --even now. No Pope or Shankaracharya or Imam or Chief Rabbi is a woman . No non-white guy has ever become a Pope just as no non-Brahmin has ever beome a Shankaracharya. Why I had gone to the museum was to see why Bible is considered real and Hindu scriptures are considered myths. After the trip they both seem to have evolved the same way ---collections of (real) stories from many story-tellers. Umesh PS: There is more to religion than book reading --anyone can become a scholar---was Jesus a scholar -or was Krishan one or was Guru Nanak one or same for Prophet Muhammad.Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>HINDUS: Indians --Hindus esp were content in letting reading of scrptures be the game of a small coterie -- the so-called brahmin priests hence there was no thrust in >promoting faith by educating followers to become literate so that they can read scriptures. This is correct, In fact the Hindus were trying to keep the religion of the Vedas very much secret from the public. Thus there was no incentive to evolve a writing method to record the Vedas which was handed over orally for many centuries. Even when writing was evolved, at the inspiration of the Buddhist, this written knowledge of the Vedas was kept as much secret as possible. First the Sudras and women were barred from raeding of the Vedas. Against this Hind
Re: [Assam] [asom] Thakur' drama
Dear Satyakam, Anything I write from my personal experience in the past tends to become autobiographical and people resent it as some attempt for self-publicity. I'll therefore try to make my reply to your question "May I know what was the nature of the Question" very brief: The year was 1951. So it was prior to the First Lokasabha that started in 1952. I think it was called "Constituent Assembly". The month could be September-October, but I am not sure. The topic of the question was about "Basic Education" which was promoted by the Mahatma throughout his life as "nai talim" for an independent India . After Independence, and after the assanination of the Mahatma, the Government India was eagerly following various plans/programmes to implement the Mahatma's idea of Independent India. For the programme of "Basic Education", the Government of recently independent India was spending crores of rupees at that time. The question was asked by one MP by the name Shantanam, but I am not sure. However, I clearly remember the question to the Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru : "Whereas the Government is spending crores of rupees for Basic Education, how come you are sending your own grandsons Rajeev & Sanjeev to expensive english-medium schools in Ajmer run by foreign missionaries?" Jawaharlal Nehru became "livid" with anger, the newspaper reported. Very angrily he replied: "People who can afford will definitely send their children to better schools." What kind of a shock I had by reading that reply that day may not be understood by anybody today. Jawaharlal was our most beloved national leader at that time. We lost Mahatma Gandhi but we had Jawaharlal --- that was the only solace the Nation had after the assassination of the Mahatma. And, now, suddenly Jawaharlal talked about "People who can afford" In one stroke, I wrote my first drama "gandhir chabi" in Assamese, but I stopped halfway because I was not too sure about the content. After 11 years (I lost the original draft), the idea became clear when Ram Manohar Lohia asked his famous question based on the PC Mohalnabis Reprt that 95% of India 's wealth was owned by 5% of the population --- once again Nehru became very angry and stubbed Lohia down in an unparliamentary manner --- I completed "gandhir chabi" from memory. I still have the original "gandhir chabi" in Assamese in a manuscript form, but I am now planning to publish the revised "The Portrait of Mahatma Gandhi" in English which was adorned by an "Introduction" by the late Dr. Romesh Diwan, world authority of Gandhian Economics, in 2001. If you can really dig up the Nehru's answer about "people who can afford", it will help me a lot to write the Preface of "The Portrait ." With the best wishes, Himendra PS: This has nothing to do with the immigration/infiltration problem, Amrit Nehru's letter, or Umesh Sharma's irresponsible remarks. "The Portrait of Mahatma Gandhi" deals with collapse of an ideology. - Original Message - From: "Shantikam Hazarika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [asom] Thakur' drama > Normally it should be possible to dig out old Q & A in Parliament, all it requires is a bit of effort. I shall see if it can be done. > May I know what was the nature of the Question? Nehru always felt that Lohia / Tyagi etc were always needling him and his replies used to be too blunt. Where can I lay my hand on bapuki Tasvir? Where is its Assamese version? > > Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repetations and there cannot be better example than the people of Assam. > > Shantikam hazarika > > - Original Message - > From: Himendra Thakur > To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [asom] Nehru's letter > > Shantikam's response will lead others to a positive direction. > > Incidently, I missed the original "excerpts of the letters of the former Prime Minister Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru published in" the Assam Tribune "on October 8 and 9" --- will it be possible to send this to me ? I'll be obliged if anyone can send it to me. > > With love to everybody, > Himendra > > PS: By the way Shantikam, since you liked my dramas, I must confide (and confess) to you that I wrote the first drama in my life in 1951 after reading a question-answer statement by Jawaharlal Nehru in the Parliament. Due to inexperience of young age, I did not complete the drama at that time. After eleven years, after reading another outburst of Nehru to a question by Ram Manohar Lohia in 1962 on "PC Mohalnabis Repot", I completed that drama. The revised English version of this drama "The Portrait of Mahatma Gandhi" was translated as "bapuki tasvir" into Hindi and staged on January 2-6, 2003 at Kamani Auditoriunm in New Delhi. Do you think someone will be able to dig up the original 1951 question-answer statement by Jawaharlal Nehru in the
Re: [Assam] Rivers in Assam
Dear Mohan, I get you better now. Problem is that in the main rivers Big fish get caught in unrestricted net/angling/bombing/dazing. Main Brahmaputra Oil /Fecal polluted badly> so no Oxygen>no plankton>no small fish>no big fish Connections from main river to tributaries are so badly silted/ choked that at entry/exit fish is easily netted. The water bodies called BEELS( Swamp/Lowland/Horseshoe lake) are leased to be totally scoopedout even at spawn time.Worldwide in spawning time,fishing is totally banned for 3 months-nobody enforces here. That is Assam's fish Crisis. Can be totally recouped in 5 years of ruthless Control. Rivers(all-big and small)+all swamp/beel/lake amount to ~15% the land mass area. Assam theoretical landmass is~ 7 000 000 Hectares. Hence Waters=almost 1 million Ha! A planned fed/cared tropical waterbody can yield 5Ton fish/Hectare/yr. So imagine 5 Million Tons. Even if each person eats 0.1 Kilo Fishx100 times a year-and there are 25 Million,we in Assam need only 0.25 million Ton a year. The rest-you figure out. Ask whatever- whenever. Shall try! mm From: "Mohan R. Palleti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "mc mahant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: RE: [Assam] Rivers in AssamDate: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:31:01 -0400 (EDT)>Thanks!>The website you gave me has only pictures. Does not quantify river>lengths. I need to pull data off a statistical book or web site. Do you>have any info on that?>>I want to say that x is the per capita river length in Assam.>Yet we are importing Y tons of fish every day in the region.>if village cooperatives would start the floating fishery, they can raise>that much fish within the state and earn substantial revenue.>>Mohan >> > That's very interesting.> > Go ahead -do it!> > If you have any hitch-please ask me a hunred times .> > Iwon't be disturbed by you.I shall love to be of help.> > So ask if you are stuck.> > MM> >> > From: "Mohan R. Palleti"> > To: "mc mahant"> > Subject: RE: [Assam] Rivers in Assam> > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:15:52 -0400 (EDT)> >>Dear Mukul da:> >>I appreciate your reply!> >>I need to know the exact length of all the rivers to come out with a per> >>capita of river length. I am trying to write a project to develop> >>cooperative floating fisheries in the sate. Nobody responded to my> >> earlier> >>message on floating fishery in Assam in assamnet so thats why I was very> >>brief.> >>> >>I am planning to make a presentation to some folks in the Fishery and> >>Wildlife department to see if any body might be interestsd in a project> >> or> >>maybe give some ideas. Maybe it might work, or maybe it wont, but no> >> harm> >>giving it a shot!> >>> >>Thanks> >>Mohan> >> >> >> > Dear Mohan,> >> > I am not copying this to assamnet. Too much noise is bad.> >> > If you have the time please go to NASA site> >> > eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/Clickmap/default.htm> >> > WhereYou can get 1+ actual photos from the ISS> >> > A little bit of practice-and you can see the Assam rivers in Winter> >> and> >> > floodtime.> >> > About Scaling- you need a good Atlas around.> >> > Otherwise Google-Earth tells you scale on the downloaded photos.> >> > Save in your Disc E,F,etc. and study off-line -and think-and enjoy!> >> > If you are asking the length of main Brahmaputra --inside> >> POLITICALAssam> >> > of 2006, then the straight run linearized will be ~750Km Sadiya to> >> Dhubri> >> > mm> >> > From: "Mohan R. Palleti"> >> > To: assam@assamnet.org> >> > Subject: [Assam] Rivers in Assam> >> > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:24:16 -0400 (EDT)> >> >>Can anybody tell me the exact cumulative length of rivers in Assam?> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>Thanks> >> >>Mohan R. Palleti> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>___> >> >>assam mailing list> >> >>assam@assamnet.org> >> >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >> > Discover. Explore. Connect-Windows Live Spaces. Check out!> >>> >>> >>> > Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out!>>>Mohan Rao Palleti>Biodiversity and Spatial Information Center>Zoology Department, NCSU>David Clark Labs 218>Raleigh, NC 27695-7617>919-513-7292>NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] Rivers in Assam
Can anybody tell me the exact cumulative length of rivers in Assam? Thanks Mohan R. Palleti ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Editing standards
Title: Re: [Assam] Editing standards Hello H: Thanks for the response. I am sure as a biz. mgm't. 'xikhyok'( I am withdrawing the 'guru' characterization on account of your protest) you understand the need to assume calculated risks in order to generate gains. The ancient adage " No-risk, no gain" did not come about for nothing. I am glad you are setting a good example not only for your students but also for the risk-averse kharkhowa masses about whom you despair, just like so many others among us do. To tell you the truth however, I am ON YOUR SIDE here. The adversarial tenor of my questions were designed to help ferret out the issues underlying the somewhat lame and often simple-minded expressions deriding "typical assamese mindset" or Assamese sloth or Assamese corruption or a variety of other pejoratives that the intellectually lazy people toss around to explain the symptoms. But I am glad you are no longer one of them, and have come out to examine the reasons for which we witness those symptoms. I am in full agreement with you that the self-loathing slur that the Assamese don't like to work hard as a genetic trait is patently false. Question is WHY do so many otherwise able people wallow in it? Any thoughts on that? Furthermore, on the same subject, your observation "--I THINK IT IS THE PREVAILING ENVIRONMENT IN ASSAM WHERE NON PERFORMANCE IS A TRAIT AND ACCEPTED WITHOUT ANY DISDAIN." needs some more investigation. Allow me to pose some more questions, again adversarial in tone, but no hostility intended: *** This prevailing environment that we speak of, is it NEW? If so when did it first appear? And could it be attributed to some event for its emergence? *** If not new, could it have always been there in modern times? I am purposely qualifying it as modern times to avoid going back to time immemorial, lest we regress back to the genetic-predisposition fallacy. If it has always been there, what would you attribute it to? I know you explained the subsistence farming heritage that we all come from and which did not require great efforts to survive, making us a laid-back lot. But since the growth of urban settlements and life-styles, people had to break from the farming/physical activities to intellectual pursuits, which require certain amount of productivity to be remunerated to make a living with. It is in this context that I raise the above questions. I don't expect you to play a social-scientist here, but as a part of that group of intellectual laborers which we all are, and you being one who does an honest day's work,attempting to fulfill the expectations associated with your responsibilities in law-abiding ways, do so IN SPITE of the PREVAILING conditions that you cited. How is that? What makes you so special among the masses who don't? There has to be an easily understandable set of reasons. And I like to think you are eminently aware of them. My attempt here is to coax you to say it aloud, clearly and unambiguously, letting the chips fall where they may, something many of my fellow Assam-netters go to great lengths to avoid doing. You already touched on some of them, obliquely. But let us have a frontal assault and take that bull by the horns :-). Finally, I have one more question here for you and an important one : *** In analyzing the productivity / rewards scenario, we cannot do a complete job, unless we examined the mushrooming wealth all over urban Assam, as could be seen in the building boom, automobiles, private education and general consumption growth. What do the people who are participating in this feast PRODUCE for which it reaps the REWARDS it does, enabling them to partake of these bounties ? How is it possible if the hypothesis "--NON PERFORMANCE IS A TRAIT AND ACCEPTED WITHOUT ANY DISDAIN." is a valid one ? Best, m At 8:59 AM +0530 10/25/06, Shantikam Hazarika wrote: Mahanta: I know it is risky to get into any debate with you, but let me just try. On 10/24/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: H > Hardwork is something I find most Assamese people shun and most assamesepeople, even at high and responsible places give priority to >>sleep, food,idleness over their work responsibilities. *** Do you, as a management guru, have any thoughts on WHY it is so, and how it might be remedied ? FOR HEAVENS i AM NO MANAGEMENT GURU, JUST A HUMBLE ORDINARY LAW ABIDING CITIZEN OF INDIA WHO HAS A JOB TO DO AND TRIES TO DO IT TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY. Is it genetic, and thus unchangeable? DEFINITELY NO. I WORKED WITH ASSAMESE WORKERS IN OIL INDIA WHO WERE UNBELIEVABLY HARD WORKING, RESPONSIBLE, RELIABLE AND CONSCIENTIOUS. ALSO MOST OF THE ASSAMESE PEOPLE WORKING OUTSIDE THE STATE GET GOOD REPORTS ABOUT THEIR PERSONAL QUALITIES. Or could it be a associated with efforts vs. rewards, incentives to >perform, and expectations or th
[Assam] It is about time Pakistan takes some responsibility for Assam not returning to a Sovereign State in 1947 due to the greed of her then leadership to swallow Assam up. Pakistan should assist Ass
Guwahati, Wednesday, October 25, 2006 http://www.assamtribune.com/ Musharraf pins India on 'Assam violence' ISLAMABAD, Oct 24 – In a sharp attack, Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf today asked India to shed its 'obsession' of being a 'greater nation' and its attempt to 'dominate' Islamabad, reports PTI. "I respect the Indian Prime Minister but it is regrettable that India wants to keep its domination in the region and wants Pakistan to be weaker force. India should come out of its obsession of being a greater nation and should talk to us on an equal level", Musharraf said. "We would not allow anyone's interference in our internal matters and neither would we tolerate such things," he said in an interview to a private TV channel. Musharraf said both countries should refrain from interfering into each other's internal affairs. India, he said, should set its own house in order before pointing fingers at Pakistan regarding terrorism on its soil and telling others what to do. "There are 21 such places in India where violence continues. The situation in Assam is also visible. So, New Delhi should first correct its own matters and then talk to Pakistan," he said. He described as a "welcome development" the Indo-Pak dialogue process to resolve the Kashmir issue. "The talks between India and Pakistan on Kashmir issues are under way, which is a welcome development. The two countries exhibited in this regard a positive attitude in the Havana declaration (in September this year). Now the process should move forward," the Pakistan President said. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
RE: [Assam] ETA and the European Parliament. Assam Sovereignty Restoration Bill by Delhi can be the way forward. Assam & the ULFA can learn from the ETA massage to the Basque people. ULFA�S RESTRAINT
That is Statesmanship of Spain leaders. Let's hope India gets Enlightenment soon mm From: "Bartta Bistar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: AssamNet Subject: [Assam] ETA and the European Parliament. Assam Sovereignty Restoration Bill by Delhi can be the way forward. Assam & the ULFA can learn from the ETA massage to the Basque people. ULFAÂS RESTRAINT stance on IndiaÂs unilateral ceasefire period was exemplary.Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:18:35 +0100 EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT Debate on Basque process at the centre of EU parliament's agenda http://www.eitb24.com/portal/eitb24/noticia/en/politics/european-parliament-debate-on-basque-process-at-the-centre-of-eu-?itemId=B24_16883&cl=%2Feitb24%2Fpolitica&idioma=en 10/23/2006 A priori, the motion that boosts a dialogued channel has the support of most of the parliament groups. The presence of Basque delegations would be wide since all Basque groups consider the event very significant. Strasbourg Parliament Related news European Parliament to deal with ETA talks on October 25 The Basque conflict is at the centre of the European agenda. There's barely two days to go and groups in the European parliament as well as Basque parties take stands. If predictions come true, the motion in favour of a dialogued channel has guaranteed the support of most of the parliament groups. Meanwhile, Spain's Conservative PP and its allies try to exert pressure by making critical statements and organising demonstrations. España y Libertad (an organisation in favour of the unity of Spain) for instance, has summoned a gathering on Monday in front of the European parliament at 06:30 pm. A wide representation of the Basque political spectrum is expected, such as a delegation of the Basque government led by spokeswoman Miren Azkarate and councillors Esther Larrañaga and Javier Madrazo. Representatives of Basque Nationalist EA, of the Communist Party of the Basque Lands, of trade union LAB, and of Aquitaine will attended the meeting, as well as Irish mediator Father Alec Reid. Spain's High Court judge Santiago Pedraz has allowed LAB secretary general Rafa DÃez Usabiaga to fly to Strasbourg to attend the debate. DÃaz Usabiaga is accused in the proceedings that investigate the financing of ETA through the "herriko tabernas" network (pub-like offices). Day's plan The debate will open on Wednesday 25th at 09:00 am. The European Commission, the EU Council and representatives of each political group will take part at the event. Subsequently, members of parliament will vote the resolutions of the different groups around 12:30 pm. Stands of Basque parties President of PNV party Josu Jon Imaz has stated that his party, which "has always believed in Europe" and "has always bet on its political significance", will be on Wednesdays in Strasbourg. He has considered "very important and decisive" the support of the EU to the peace process in the Basque Country. President of Nationalist EA Begoña Errazti thinks that the debate is a signal that the process is improving. Co-ordinator of Communist Ezker Batua Berdeak Javier Madrazo has described as "good news" that the European Parliament earns recognition to the peace process. A translation of the last significant ETA declaration is given below. Full text of the Eta declaration. Message from Euskadi Ta Askatasuna [Eta] to the Basque people. The Basque revolutionary socialist national liberation organisation Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (Eta) wishes to make known via this declaration the following decision: Euskadi Ta Askatasuna has decided to declare a permanent ceasefire as from (2300GMT) on 24 March 2006. The aim of this decision is to promote a democratic process in Euskal-Herria (the Basque Country) in order that the Basque people might implement the political change they need through dialogue, negotiation and agreement. Leaving behind the current framework of negation, partition and imposition, a democratic framework must be built for Euskal-Herria, recognising the rights as a people which are its due and guaranteeing the opportunity to develop all political options in the future. At the end of this process, Basque citizens must have the say and the decision on their future, thus giving a democratic solution to the conflict. Eta considers that it is for all Basque agents to develop this process and to adopt the appropriate agreements for the future of Euskal-Herria, taking into account its plurality and its totality. The Spanish and French states must recognise the results of this democratic process, without interference or limitations of any kind. The decision we Basque citizens make on our future will have to be respected. We call on all agents to act responsibly and to be consistent with the step taken by Eta. It is time for agreements. We must all accept our responsibilities to build together the democratic solution which the Basque people need. It is time to take important de
[Assam] ETA and the European Parliament. Assam Sovereignty Restoration Bill by Delhi can be the way forward. Assam & the ULFA can learn from the ETA massage to the Basque people. ULFA’S RESTRAINT
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT Debate on Basque process at the centre of EU parliament's agenda http://www.eitb24.com/portal/eitb24/noticia/en/politics/european-parliament-debate-on-basque-process-at-the-centre-of-eu-?itemId=B24_16883&cl=%2Feitb24%2Fpolitica&idioma=en 10/23/2006 A priori, the motion that boosts a dialogued channel has the support of most of the parliament groups. The presence of Basque delegations would be wide since all Basque groups consider the event very significant. Strasbourg Parliament Related news European Parliament to deal with ETA talks on October 25 The Basque conflict is at the centre of the European agenda. There's barely two days to go and groups in the European parliament as well as Basque parties take stands. If predictions come true, the motion in favour of a dialogued channel has guaranteed the support of most of the parliament groups. Meanwhile, Spain's Conservative PP and its allies try to exert pressure by making critical statements and organising demonstrations. España y Libertad (an organisation in favour of the unity of Spain) for instance, has summoned a gathering on Monday in front of the European parliament at 06:30 pm. A wide representation of the Basque political spectrum is expected, such as a delegation of the Basque government led by spokeswoman Miren Azkarate and councillors Esther Larrañaga and Javier Madrazo. Representatives of Basque Nationalist EA, of the Communist Party of the Basque Lands, of trade union LAB, and of Aquitaine will attended the meeting, as well as Irish mediator Father Alec Reid. Spain's High Court judge Santiago Pedraz has allowed LAB secretary general Rafa Díez Usabiaga to fly to Strasbourg to attend the debate. Díaz Usabiaga is accused in the proceedings that investigate the financing of ETA through the "herriko tabernas" network (pub-like offices). Day's plan The debate will open on Wednesday 25th at 09:00 am. The European Commission, the EU Council and representatives of each political group will take part at the event. Subsequently, members of parliament will vote the resolutions of the different groups around 12:30 pm. Stands of Basque parties President of PNV party Josu Jon Imaz has stated that his party, which "has always believed in Europe" and "has always bet on its political significance", will be on Wednesdays in Strasbourg. He has considered "very important and decisive" the support of the EU to the peace process in the Basque Country. President of Nationalist EA Begoña Errazti thinks that the debate is a signal that the process is improving. Co-ordinator of Communist Ezker Batua Berdeak Javier Madrazo has described as "good news" that the European Parliament earns recognition to the peace process. A translation of the last significant ETA declaration is given below. Full text of the Eta declaration. Message from Euskadi Ta Askatasuna [Eta] to the Basque people. The Basque revolutionary socialist national liberation organisation Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (Eta) wishes to make known via this declaration the following decision: Euskadi Ta Askatasuna has decided to declare a permanent ceasefire as from (2300GMT) on 24 March 2006. The aim of this decision is to promote a democratic process in Euskal-Herria (the Basque Country) in order that the Basque people might implement the political change they need through dialogue, negotiation and agreement. Leaving behind the current framework of negation, partition and imposition, a democratic framework must be built for Euskal-Herria, recognising the rights as a people which are its due and guaranteeing the opportunity to develop all political options in the future. At the end of this process, Basque citizens must have the say and the decision on their future, thus giving a democratic solution to the conflict. Eta considers that it is for all Basque agents to develop this process and to adopt the appropriate agreements for the future of Euskal-Herria, taking into account its plurality and its totality. The Spanish and French states must recognise the results of this democratic process, without interference or limitations of any kind. The decision we Basque citizens make on our future will have to be respected. We call on all agents to act responsibly and to be consistent with the step taken by Eta. It is time for agreements. We must all accept our responsibilities to build together the democratic solution which the Basque people need. It is time to take important decisions, moving from words to deeds. Eta calls on the Spanish and French authorities to respond positively to this new situation, and not to obstruct the democratic process, leaving repression aside and showing the will to give a negotiated solution to the conflict . Lastly, we call on Basque citizens in general and the members of the radical Basque nationalist Left in particular to get involved in this process and to fight for the rights as a people which are our due. Eta expresses it
