[Assam] Is it not blatantly obvious why the boun daries were not sorted out without ambiguity at t he time of carving out those states ? Why those people in the helm in Assam could not say, “ No perm

[Bartta Bistar]

Ulfa stand

A STAFF REPORTER

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070728/asp/northeast/story_8116270.asp

*Guwahati, July 27:* Ulfa today said Assam's boundary disputes with its
neighbouring states were the creation of New Delhi.

A release, issued by Ulfa chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa on the outfit's
martyrs' day, alleged that instead of settling the boundary issue when the
states were carved out of Assam, Delhi kept it alive to prevent the
neighbours from developing "good relations". Rajkhowa claimed that these
"Delhi-made problems" would be solved only when the state attained
"independence."

Rajkhowa further accused the government of killing innocent people by
triggering blasts in public places to defame the outfit.
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[Assam] Dhemaji floods (The Assam Tribune,28.07.2007)

[Buljit Buragohain]

EDITORIAL 


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  MESSAGE FOR TODAY
Success in the long run is a measure of one’s ability to turn tasks into 
adventures.
— JOAN BJORKSTEN

Dhemaji floods
  Dhemaji district has been ravaged by floods yet again following breaches on 
the embankments and this also highlighted the failure of the Central and State 
Governments to take up permanent measures to deal with the problems of floods 
and erosion. Dhemaji has been cut off from the rest of the State since July 12 
as the National Highway 52 has been snapped at several places and though the 
Army constructed a bailey bridge on an alternative PWD road, that too was 
overtopped, thereby totally snapping road communication to the district. Of 
course, Dhemaji is not the only district to be affected by the fury of floods 
as other upper Assam districts are also hit and the possibility of the lower 
Assam districts being affected in the days to come cannot be ruled out. What is 
more disturbing is that over the years, the State and Central Governments 
totally failed to take permanent measures to deal with the problem and almost 
every year, the people of Assam have to bear the brunt of
 the fury of floods. Of course, it is beyond the financial means of the State 
Government to take up measures for permanent solution to the problems of floods 
and erosion and the Central government has also not been able to take positive 
steps in this regard. Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh assured a delegation of 
the All Assam Students’ Union (AASU) in a meeting to review the implementation 
of the Assam Accord in May, 2005 that the Centre would consider floods in Assam 
as a national problem, but only declaration would not provide any kind of 
succor to the people of the State. Immediately after assuming office as the 
Prime Minister, Dr Singh, who is a representative of Assam in the Rajya Sabha, 
constituted a task force to study the problem of floods and to suggest measures 
to deal with the problem. But the recommendations of the task force are yet to 
be implemented. The Prime Minister also made an announcement that a North East 
Water Resources Authority would be
 constituted, but that also has not been done. It is reported that the proposed 
authority could not be constituted because of opposition from the Government of 
Arunachal Pradesh and if that is the case, the Central Government should try to 
persuade the Government of the State to accept the proposal for constitution of 
the Authority by removing the misgivings through dialogues.
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It�s �madams� who build entertainment girl industry

[Pradip Kumar Datta]

It’s ‘madams’ who build entertainment girl industry
Sex and our city — Part II 
By our Staff Reporter
GUWAHATI, July 27: With most of the lounge bars in the capital having become 
the most-preferred destination for Generation Next, The Sentinel carried out an 
investigation to find out the reason behind this. And we have come across 
several secrets in most of the lounge bars that provide entertainment girls. 
Official records reveal that there are no dance bars in Guwahati, and that bars 
with late-night permission are working as dance bars. With music, thrill, wine 
and girls, one can find a paradise of sorts in these lounge bars. But where 
from the entertainment girls arrive in these bars? One of the entertainment 
girls, Raveena (name changed), told The Sentinel: “We are three of us staying 
in an apartment in Hatigaon area. When we came to Guwahati and took admission 
in a college, we did not think we will get another job. But one day, I met one 
of my friends, Pinki, from Beltola Survey, and she told me about this job. She 
took me to Uzan Bazaar where she helped me meet one madam. That madam 
introduced to me one of the bars, and from then I and my friends visit the bars 
thrice a week.”
Does not it hamper her studies? “No way. We visit the bars in the evening 
hours. We take food and beer and give entertainment to customers.” She, 
however, said that she was not a call girl. “But my friends used to stay 
overnight with the customers,” she said.
Who is this madam? “I don’t know her name. But we call her only baideu. This 
woman is around 45 years of age and has her home at Uzan Bazaar. She takes us 
to the bars on Saturdays and Sundays. She gets some amount from the bar 
authority. But we don’t know the details. And if someone wants to stay with the 
customer, then that customer should give the amount to madam. The madam gets 50 
per cent of the amount.”
Later, during our secret visits, we were able to trace three ‘madams’ in the 
bars. They are Mitali (Beltola), Rupa (Hengrabari) and Rimjhim (Sundarpur). 
When we told them that we did not have enough money to take a girl for the 
night, Rimjhim said: “No problem. Give me your number. I will call you 
tomorrow.” But she, on her part, did not give us her number. 
It was indeed a shock to see one of the aspiring models in one of the bars in 
Ganeshguri. And later we came to know that she usually works as a call girl and 
is in demand among the top businessmen of the State. 
Though the City Police is ethically against such activities in the bars, it 
seems to be helpless about the problem. One of the senior police officials 
said: “In both the recent instances of crime in the bars, we rushed to the 
spot. Our patrolling parties are always on alert. But we can’t take law in our 
hands unless we get some hard evidence. Besides, the bars have their own 
security guards. They frisk the customers at the entry point.”
The question is: If the customers are frisked that way, how was Rajesh Shah 
shot by his friend Sasanka Borua at Chandrama Bar in Ganeshguri last week? “The 
security guards must have been casual,” the police official said.
How these ‘madams’ provoke the girls to enter the murky world of flesh trade? 
How do entertainment girls evolve into call girls? Are there gays as well, in 
these bars? The Sentinel will reveal it all in its next report.
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[Assam] Muga set to win patent

[Pradip Kumar Datta]

  Muga set to win patent 
A STAFF REPORTER  TELEGRAPH INDIAModels show off the golden 
muga  Guwahati, July 27: Assam is all set to get the coveted Geographical 
Indications (GI) status for the golden muga. This will help the state to 
promote the silk as a brand. 
  Sources said the office of the GI registry in Chennai had already given the 
green signal and Dispur would get the certificate soon. This will be the first 
GI for Assam for any of its products. 
  Geographical Indication is used to identify agricultural, natural or 
manufactured goods originating in an area. These goods should have special 
quality or characteristics or reputation based upon the climatic or production 
characteristics unique to the geographical location. 
  “The GI certificate will help muga to develop as a brand and attain more 
popularity across the world. It is already in demand from Japan,” a source 
said. 
  No objections were raised against muga when the GI registry was reviewing the 
application for granting patent to the Assam silk. 
  Muga silk is unique to Assam and is popular for its natural golden colour, 
glossy fine textures and durability. It is obtained from Antheraea assamensis, 
a semi-domesticated multivoltine silkworm. Muga cultivation is specific to the 
region and is an integral part of the state’s tradition and culture. 
  “The actual work will start after Assam receives the certificate. The 
emphasis will be on increasing the commercial value and production of muga as 
well as control of its quality. A GI committee will regularly monitor the 
progress,” the source said. 
  The GI status provides legal protection to a product produced in a 
geographical territory. This, in turn, boosts the good’s export and promotes 
the economic prosperity of its producers. A GI registration is valid for 10 
years.
  The Assam Science Technology and Environment Council had filed an application 
for getting GI status for muga. It had provided supporting documents as 
historical evidence of muga cultivation in Assam. These included Kautilya’s 
Arthashastra, History of Assam by Edward Gait and a map of Assam showing areas 
of muga cultivation.

   
   
   
  now state govt. will take credit for this as this govt. failed to protect 
rhinos
   
  New Unesco title for Kaziranga & Manas 
A STAFF REPORTER  Manas National Park: Picture perfect   
Guwahati, July 27: So what if rhinos continue to be poached in Kaziranga and 
Manas has yet to fully recover from the onslaught by militants in the nineties? 
  Unesco has just included both national parks in its list of World Heritage 
Biodiversity Sites, projecting them as role models for biodiversity hotspots 
across the globe.
  Kaziranga, home to the world’s largest population of the critically 
endangered one-horned rhino, and Manas, a spectacular combination of wildlife 
habitat and picture-perfect landscape, are among only four sites in India to be 
chosen for the Unesco project. The other two sites are Keoladeo in Rajasthan 
and Nanda Devi in Uttaranchal. 
  The World Heritage Biodiversity Project had a formal launch in New Delhi on 
Tuesday. Budgeted at $1.8 million, Unesco will implement it in partnership with 
Delhi. The United Nations Foundation, Ford Foundation and the Sehgal Foundation 
will support the project. 
  “Management of these sites will combine law enforcement, community support 
and participation, engagement with civil society and the private sector, 
education, communication and advocacy and social and political profile of 
protected area management in India and the benefits it provides to local 
communities and the broader public,” the project document states. 
  The timeframe for the first phase of the project is four years.
  All World Heritage Biodiversity Sites seek to conserve the earth’s most 
spectacular examples of natural and biological heritage. “Kaziranga National 
Park, for instance, is a prime example of unusual beauty and unique habitats 
for some of the last examples of the world’s rare animals and plants, including 
the Asian rhino. Manas National Park includes some of the most diverse patches 
of evergreen forests and several species of rare mammals,” the document states. 
  Unesco attributes the periodic conservation hiccups — Kaziranga, for 
instance, is witnessing the resurgence of poachers — to lack of expertise in 
dealing with new thre-ats. Forest staff are not adequ-ately trained in the 
enforcement of laws protecting wild-life and in building mutually respectful 
and supportive relations with local communities. 
  “In some cases, such as Manas in the Northeast, field staff have been 
demoralised by repeated episodes of insurgencies in the area since the early 
1990s. Moreover, field staff in many places have neither access to reliable 
modes of communication nor healthcare facilities for themselves and their 
families or educational facilities for their children,” the project do

[Assam] Kaziranga & Manas on World Heritage Biodiversity Sites : Unesco

[Pradip Kumar Datta]

now state govt. will take credit for this as this govt. failed to 
protect rhinos
   
  New Unesco title for Kaziranga & Manas 
A STAFF REPORTER  Manas National Park: Picture perfect   
Guwahati, July 27: So what if rhinos continue to be poached in Kaziranga and 
Manas has yet to fully recover from the onslaught by militants in the nineties? 
  Unesco has just included both national parks in its list of World Heritage 
Biodiversity Sites, projecting them as role models for biodiversity hotspots 
across the globe.
  Kaziranga, home to the world’s largest population of the critically 
endangered one-horned rhino, and Manas, a spectacular combination of wildlife 
habitat and picture-perfect landscape, are among only four sites in India to be 
chosen for the Unesco project. The other two sites are Keoladeo in Rajasthan 
and Nanda Devi in Uttaranchal. 
  The World Heritage Biodiversity Project had a formal launch in New Delhi on 
Tuesday. Budgeted at $1.8 million, Unesco will implement it in partnership with 
Delhi. The United Nations Foundation, Ford Foundation and the Sehgal Foundation 
will support the project. 
  “Management of these sites will combine law enforcement, community support 
and participation, engagement with civil society and the private sector, 
education, communication and advocacy and social and political profile of 
protected area management in India and the benefits it provides to local 
communities and the broader public,” the project document states. 
  The timeframe for the first phase of the project is four years.
  All World Heritage Biodiversity Sites seek to conserve the earth’s most 
spectacular examples of natural and biological heritage. “Kaziranga National 
Park, for instance, is a prime example of unusual beauty and unique habitats 
for some of the last examples of the world’s rare animals and plants, including 
the Asian rhino. Manas National Park includes some of the most diverse patches 
of evergreen forests and several species of rare mammals,” the document states. 
  Unesco attributes the periodic conservation hiccups — Kaziranga, for 
instance, is witnessing the resurgence of poachers — to lack of expertise in 
dealing with new thre-ats. Forest staff are not adequ-ately trained in the 
enforcement of laws protecting wild-life and in building mutually respectful 
and supportive relations with local communities. 
  “In some cases, such as Manas in the Northeast, field staff have been 
demoralised by repeated episodes of insurgencies in the area since the early 
1990s. Moreover, field staff in many places have neither access to reliable 
modes of communication nor healthcare facilities for themselves and their 
families or educational facilities for their children,” the project document 
states. 
  The just-concluded Christ-church conclave of the World Heritage Committee 
retained Manas in the list of World Heritage Sites in Danger. 
  One of the issues that Unesco will address is the forest department’s failure 
to garner the full support of local communities for conservation initiatives. 
  “Local communities, in many cases, remain hostile to the idea that parks are 
not site for grazing cattle, fishing and collecting fuel and other forest 
produce. Wild animals also pose a danger to their livestock, crops and houses; 
and crop raiding elephants at times trample and kill humans, exacerbating the 
conflict and forcing difficult choices to be made in favour of humans and 
killing of troublesome animals,” the document states.
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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

Distortion already. Look below.
  

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 8:10 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
" However they are not the people who build nations,
   
  DD:  I did not say that. You picked up something from what you wrote and made 
it look like I said it. 
   
  Engineers can be and have been nation builders but that is not something the 
average engineer wants to be. The ratio probably comes out to be the same for 
all professions. When the infrastructure of a young nation is being built, the 
engineers are in the forefront, as it happened in USA and the other countries 
you mentioned and those individuals are remembered. 
  *** American nation building has been singularly influenced by creative 
engineering.  As was
  Germany, as was the Soviet Union and as is Japan, as is China.  But look at 
India's progress with more per capita engineers than many of  these other more 
advanced countries.
  

  

  

  

  

  


   break new grounds or solve problems in creative ways." - I don't know about 
the nation building part. Most engineers that I know would cringe at being 
given that responsibilty. The other two - yes, engineers, architects and 
planners can contribute a lot. I am glad to see that the contribution of 
engineers is being recognized here. What does engineer Mukulda say?  Dilip  
==

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >I should know something about engineers by now.  
  
  *** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for all those 
engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to read the standards 
manuals or code books and applying them to the task in hand.  
  However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or solve 
problems in creative ways.  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  At 7:32 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Umesh,
Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer should be 
good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need to know 
what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering problems.
  There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute without 
being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 30+ years in the 
field, including management of engineers, I should know something about 
engineers by now.
  A request to engineers in India - please speak up.
  Dilipda

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high school 
levele - not at an engineering college.

***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it

Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board.


  *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary 
education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the 
percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math 
fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
  
  But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it .
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  Dilip
  ==

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_07262007.html

Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy  Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used )




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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

I guess you have not met too many of the graduate engineers from India 
recently. Many of them ( not too many)  are very capable of solving engineering 
problems using the modern tools that are available these days. it is especially 
true in chemical engineering and control systems engineering where it requires 
math skills as well as a good understanding of the basic physical problem.
   
  However when it comes to the 30,000 ft level, to solve India's flood and 
drought problem and India's food storage and distribution problem etc. - I 
don't think the engineers in India are being creative enough to tackle the 
problem at the roots.
   
  Back to your email - no undergraduate engineering school (not even in USA) 
prepares a student to be truly creative. A few more years in grad school does.
   
  I was surprised to see that you are talking about  "something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop" which goes to show that you are still 
thinking Indian for Assam in your unguarded moments. :-)
  Dilip
  

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board.  


  *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary 
education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the 
percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math 
fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
  

  But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it .
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  


  Dilip  ==

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_07262007.html

Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Chan Mahanta]

At 8:10 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

" However they are not the people who build nations,




*** American nation building has been singularly influenced by 
creative engineering.  As was
Germany, as was the Soviet Union and as is Japan, as is China.  But 
look at India's progress with more per capita engineers than many of 
these other more advanced countries.








 break new grounds or solve problems in creative ways." - I don't 
know about the nation building part. Most engineers that I know 
would cringe at being given that responsibilty. The other two - 
yes, engineers, architects and planners can contribute a lot.


I am glad to see that the contribution of engineers is being 
recognized here. What does engineer Mukulda say?

Dilip
==

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >I should know something about engineers by now.


*** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for 
all those engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to 
read the standards manuals or code books and applying them to the 
task in hand.


However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds 
or solve problems in creative ways.









At 7:32 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:


Umesh,

Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer 
should be good in math, just to survive in the field. The design 
engineers need to know what is behind the softwares they use now a 
days to solve engineering problems.


There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute 
without being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 
30+ years in the field, including management of engineers, I should 
know something about engineers by now.


A request to engineers in India - please speak up.

Dilipda

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high 
school levele - not at an engineering college.


***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of 
itself, does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One 
can do well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just 
as engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering 
also requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools 
rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability 
or have the aptitude to develop it


Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

Netters with interest in science will find this article 
interesting. Math is used in all sciences, so obviously good 
fundamental knowledge in math helps students in all branches of 
science. A good grasp of math in high school helps engineering 
students as well, across the board.





*** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound 
primary education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you 
look at the percentage of students in Assam who have a decent 
knowledge of math fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in 
science, technology etc.



But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, 
does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do 
well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as 
engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering also 
requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools rarely 
help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability or have 
the aptitude to develop it .




















Dilip


==

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_07262007.html

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Washington D.C.

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

" However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or solve 
problems in creative ways." - I don't know about the nation building part. Most 
engineers that I know would cringe at being given that responsibilty. The other 
two - yes, engineers, architects and planners can contribute a lot.
   
  I am glad to see that the contribution of engineers is being recognized here. 
What does engineer Mukulda say?
  Dilip
  ==

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I should know something about engineers by now.
  

  

  *** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for all those 
engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to read the standards 
manuals or code books and applying them to the task in hand.
  

  However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds or solve 
problems in creative ways.
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  At 7:32 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Umesh,  Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer 
should be good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need 
to know what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering 
problems.  There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute 
without being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 30+ years in 
the field, including management of engineers, I should know something about 
engineers by now.  A request to engineers in India - please speak up.  Dilipda

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high school 
levele - not at an engineering college.

***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it

Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board.


  *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary 
education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the 
percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math 
fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.  
  But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it .  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  Dilip
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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Chan Mahanta]

I should know something about engineers by now.



*** I wouldn't be the one to question that. Yes there is room for all 
those engineers, whose contribution is defined by an ability to read 
the standards manuals or code books and applying them to the task in 
hand.


However they are not the people who build nations, break new grounds 
or solve problems in creative ways.









At 7:32 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

Umesh,
Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer 
should be good in math, just to survive in the field. The design 
engineers need to know what is behind the softwares they use now a 
days to solve engineering problems.
There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute 
without being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 
30+ years in the field, including management of engineers, I should 
know something about engineers by now.

A request to engineers in India - please speak up.
Dilipda

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high 
school levele - not at an engineering college.


***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of 
itself, does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One 
can do well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just 
as engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering 
also requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools 
rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability 
or have the aptitude to develop it


Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

Netters with interest in science will find this article 
interesting. Math is used in all sciences, so obviously good 
fundamental knowledge in math helps students in all branches of 
science. A good grasp of math in high school helps engineering 
students as well, across the board.





*** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound 
primary education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you 
look at the percentage of students in Assam who have a decent 
knowledge of math fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in 
science, technology etc.


But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, 
does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do 
well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as 
engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering also 
requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools rarely 
help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability or have 
the aptitude to develop it .



















Dilip


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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Chan Mahanta]

Actually it has to be done at an earlier time--at primary school. By 
high school time it is already too late. If your primary math 
foundation is weak, you will never get to do intensive math at high 
school, forget science and engineering.







At 6:38 PM -0700 7/27/07, umesh sharma wrote:

C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high 
school levele - not at an engineering college.


***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of 
itself, does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One 
can do well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just 
as engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering 
also requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools 
rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability 
or have the aptitude to develop it


Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college sci
At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:

Netters with interest in science will find this article 
interesting. Math is used in all sciences, so obviously good 
fundamental knowledge in math helps students in all branches of 
science. A good grasp of math in high school helps engineering 
students as well, across the board.





*** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound 
primary education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you 
look at the percentage of students in Assam who have a decent 
knowledge of math fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in 
science, technology etc.


But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, 
does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do 
well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as 
engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering also 
requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools rarely 
help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability or have 
the aptitude to develop it .



















Dilip


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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

Umesh,
  Not every engineer needs to be creative. However every engineer should be 
good in math, just to survive in the field. The design engineers need to know 
what is behind the softwares they use now a days to solve engineering problems.
  There are functions in engineering where a person can contribute without 
being creative in the real sense of the word. I have spent 30+ years in the 
field, including management of engineers, I should know something about 
engineers by now.
  A request to engineers in India - please speak up.
  Dilipda

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high school 
levele - not at an engineering college.

***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it 

Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, 
Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
  Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board.  


  *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary 
education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the 
percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math 
fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
  

  But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it .
  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

  


  Dilip  ==

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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[Assam] You got life insurance?

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

This one is for those who haven't taken the vow yet.
  Dilip
  =
   
  Sarah and Abe are out celebrating their 20th wedding anniversary. During
the evening, Sarah broaches the subject of (their) life insurance, an
issue she has been raising with him for at least 10 years, without
success.

"Abe," she says, with tears in her eyes, "I don't think you love me."

"Why do you think that?" he asks.

"Because if you really loved me, you would ensure that if anything
happened to you, God forbid, I would be properly provided for."

"Sarah," he says angrily, "I need life insurance like I need a hole in
the head."

"I know your views," says Sarah, "but I've spoken to two of my friends
recently and they tell me that their husbands have life insurance -- and
they're not as rich as you. If it's good enough for them, why isn't it
good enough for you?"

"I'll tell you why," replies Abe. "It's because they've been paying high
premiums month after month, and what have they got so far in return?
Nothing!"

"So what if their husbands have been paying for nothing?" says Sarah.
"You've always told me I'm luckier than my friends -- who knows, maybe
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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[umesh sharma]

C-da,

But the article was about doing intensive coursework in math at high school 
levele - not at an engineering college.

***But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it 

Umesh

Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa 
study on college sci At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
 Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board. 
 
 
 *** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound primary 
education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you look at the 
percentage of students in Assam who have a decent knowledge of math 
fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in science, technology etc.
 

 But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, does not 
guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do well in the academic 
exams, can even get good jobs, not just as engineers, but in a lot of other 
fields, but real engineering also requires creativity -- something Indian 
engineering schools rarely help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an 
ability or have the aptitude to develop it .
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[Chan Mahanta]

At 1:33 PM -0700 7/27/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:
Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. 
Math is used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental 
knowledge in math helps students in all branches of science. A good 
grasp of math in high school helps engineering students as well, 
across the board.



*** And that is exactly why it is so essential to have a sound 
primary education where math fundamentals  take root or die. If you 
look at the percentage of students in Assam who have a decent 
knowledge of math fundamentals, you will know why so few excel in 
science, technology etc.


But there is more to it: Ability to do good math, by and of itself, 
does not guarantee success as an engineer or scientist. One can do 
well in the academic exams, can even get good jobs, not just as 
engineers, but in a lot of other fields, but real engineering also 
requires creativity -- something Indian engineering schools rarely 
help develop, while not everyone is endowed with an ability or have 
the aptitude to develop it .



















Dilip
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Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

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Netters with interest in science will find this article interesting. Math is 
used in all sciences, so obviously good fundamental knowledge in math helps 
students in all branches of science. A good grasp of math in high school helps 
engineering students as well, across the board.
  Dilip
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[Assam] RTI petition

[umesh sharma]

 
anyone?

Umesh

"Sirish" @gmail.com> wrote: To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Sirish.
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:47:37 -0400
Subject: [asha-dc-core] Fwd: Publicize Widely: Save Indian democracy's 
transparency in the USA


www.ashanet.org/dc

  Consider signing the petition and do 
circulate this note to your friends.
Thanks,
Sirish

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ravi Kuchimanchi   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jul 27, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Publicize Widely: Save Indian democracy's transparency in the USA


 Save Indian democracy's transparency in the USA
Sign petition to Indian Ambassador in Washington DC.

 Indian embassy in Washington DC is not implementing the Right to Information 
(RTI) Act properly.  This effects NRI who hold Indian passports and have rights 
under RTI Act of India.  The Indian embassy began implementing this Act when 
volunteers of AID as well as NRIs filed RTI applications and after the Central 
Information Commission in New Delhi gave enabling decisions. However there are 
lot of gaps in implementation and this online petition to Ambassador is to help 
save the RTI Act's implementation in the USA. 


Embassy is not  transferring applications to India but asking people to 
reapply in India.
   The Consulate General of India offices in San Francisco, Chicago etc do not 
have PIOs/APIOs assigned under RTI.   
 Click and Sign petition to save Indian Democracy's transparency in USA. 

Please visit http://aidindia.org to learn more about the issue and to sign the 
petition.  Petition also available at:   http://petitions.aidindia.org/embassy 

Thank you,
AID volunteers

 For more information 
 1.RTI Website 
 2.Section 6(3) of RTI ACT
 3.Indian embassy's RTI website
 4.CIC decision on applicability of Section 6(3) to Lt Governor of Delhi
 
  27th July, 2007 
 
 TO: 
 Mr. Ronen Sen 
 Ambassador, Embassy of India, 
 Washington D.C.- 20008 
 Phone: (202) 939-7000 
 
 Dear Ambassador of people of India, 
 As you might know, in order to increase transparency of governance and provide 
citizens with a much needed tool to fight corruption, the Indian democracy has 
enacted the "Right to Information (RTI) Act, 2005". Non Resident Indians who 
hold Indian passports have an equal right to this information, and the Indian 
embassy in Washington DC has recently begun to accept RTI applications. This 
has come about due to several NRIs applying to seek  information from the 
Indian government as well as favorable decisions by the Central Information 
Commission (CIC) in New Delhi that has ordered all Indian embassies around the 
world to implement the RTI Act. 
 
 However the Indian Embassy in DC is violating the important Section 6(3) of 
the RTI Actthat states without any ambiguity that if an application for 
information is received that pertains to another public authority, then within 
5 days, the Public Information Officer (at the embassy) should transfer the 
application to the relevant public authority. This section is important for 
NRIs who have applied or may apply in future to the embassy for information 
that may not be directly available with the embassy, such as the status of 
family pension or information pertaining to a project or a disaster in India. 
The Public Information Officer at the Embassy in DC is not transferring such 
applications to the relevant public authority in India and is  asking 
applicants to reapply. 
 
 The bureaucratic mentality that makes the citizen of India run around 
different offices  for any information that they need, is precisely what 
India's RTI Act aims to overthrow.   It is shocking that on its website, the 
Embassy in DC has taken the spurious position of  not implementing section 6(3) 
of the Act for applications that pertain to information that  the embassy does 
not itself hold. It is precisely such applications that the  Act mandates are 
to be transferred to the appropriate public authority.  
 
There is ample precedent for transferring information as per Section 6(3) of 
the act. For example in its ruling CIC/WB/C/2006/00159 the Central Information 
Commission, stated that the office of Lt Governor of Delhi "clearly failed in 
transferring the application to the appropriate authority as contained u/s 6 
(3) of the Act." This was an application received by the Lt Governor (LG) for 
information held by  public authority at the Dept of Industries. The CIC ruled 
that the "application in question required to be transferred to the concerned 
PIO as per the provision of the Act." and warned "the office of LG is cautioned 
that it observe the mandated processes as contained in the Act u/s 6 (3) more 
scrupulously." 
 
We call on you to instruct the PIO at the Indian embassy to follow Section 6(3) 
of the RTI law in letter and in spirit, and transfer all applications to 
relevant public authority, whenever they pertain to information not held by the 
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[Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[umesh sharma]

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/home/news_and_events/releases/science_07262007.html

Umesh Sharma

Washington D.C. 

1-202-215-4328 [Cell]

Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005

http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info)

http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info)




www.gse.harvard.edu/iep  (where the above 2 are used )




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Re: [Assam] Fwd: assam Digest, Vol 24, Issue 52

[mc mahant]

Mr.Goswami,
   
I suggest you take a course on Dynamics of the Indian Rupee
Particularly on Taxes,"XTORTIONS",Chaandas,Cesses,Under-the-tables,Hawaalas 
,"Black",VATs--
If you can get a good teacher ,you will soon realize the meaning of what the 
India Finance Minister Chidambaram (Not a degree-holder in Economics)meant 
when he said "Any Colour Money is Good Money".
Delhi cares two hoots about how Money circulates in Assam /"NE".
All Colour Moneys Return to where printed/issued--in weeks--with massive 
interest.
mm> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:31:39 +0100> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
assam@assamnet.org> Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: assam Digest, Vol 24, Issue 52> > 
Mr Mahanta,> I admit you would know more about "ample remuneration"> than I 
will ever do, since your views are akin to> those who have amassed hundreds of 
crores of rupees> from extortions in Assam and you don't mind their> doing so. 
Your silence about extortions and your> overzealous opposition to those who 
oppose extortions> is another indication that you know more about "ample> 
remuneration" than you would like to reveal.> > Now about moulding people's 
minds. Sorry, I cannot> support an "armed struggle for freedom" the spearhead> 
of which is targetted against unarmed civilians. How> can anybody support those 
self-styled guardians of> Assam, who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on> 
illegal migration from accross the border? Maybe they> are "amply remunerated" 
and we don't know how many are> "amply remunerated" on this side of the border. 
> > Next comes your diktat in the garb of a request. You> have said I should 
try to mould people's mind in> assamnet apparently the way you would want me 
to. Here> is what I would like to say. I thought this was an> open forum for 
people who love Assam (even without> "ample remuneration"), where they can 
freely express> and exchange their views. I did not know it is your> fiefdom 
and you own it. If so, I would request ( mind> it, a request only) you to 
clarify what are its> protocol and which of them I have violated by sending> 
Rupam Baruah's areticle carried on the editorial page> of a leading daily. If 
for being a part of this forum,> I have to support views that you dictate,I 
will have> second thoughts about it. With thanks, > Ranen Kumar Goswami,> 
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Re: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

[uttam borthakur]

>>All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. The ancient Chinese 
>>writer Szuma Chien said, "Though death befalls all men alike, it may be 
>>heavier than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." To die for the people is 
>>heavier than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the 
>>exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.
  
   
  So it is clear now. Mao quoted Szuma Chien:"Though death befalls all men 
alike, it may be heavier than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." The later 
part belongs to Mao i.e.
To die for the people is heavier than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists 
and die for the exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.
   
  Either the writer for the Ulfa made a faux pas here in his impatience to 
drive a point home or may be he thought Mao has no takers in the present world! 
  
"W.Saleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }I don’t know the exact 
words used by Szuma Chien but Mao red book in page 174 mentions the following:
  
quote:
  page 174
   
  worthy death. Nevertheless, we should do our best to avoid unnecessary 
sacrifices.

  "Serve the People" (September 8, 1944),
  Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 228.
   
  All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. The ancient Chinese 
writer Szuma Chien said, "Though death befalls all men alike, it may be heavier 
than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." To die for the people is heavier 
than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and 
oppressors is lighter than a feather.
  Unquote:
 http://www.marx2mao.com/Mao/QCM66.html 
   
   
  Wahid Saleh

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  Van: uttam borthakur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juli 2007 13:06
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam
Onderwerp: RE: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

   
>>Szuma Chien, the famous Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was 
the author of the Historical Records. –

 

Thank you. 

This implies that when Szuma Chien uttered those words attributed to him by 
Ulfa, fascism was 2000 years away! I suppose, I read that quote some where, but 
the words were a bit different. Where did the Ulfa find these new words?

"W.Saleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  Szuma Chien, the famous Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was 
the author of the Historical Records. –

Reference of him you can also find in the Selected Works of Mao – published 
in 1944.


http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_19.htm
 

 

See also the following links

 

http://www.answers.com/topic/ssu-ma-ch-ien

http://www.amazon.com/Selections-Records-Historian-Szuma-Chien/dp/0898759404

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/lofiversion/index.php/t523.html

 

 

  Greetings,

 

Wahid Saleh


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Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juli 2007 10:55
Aan: assam
Onderwerp: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle


 

  Dear Friends


   


  I have a question.


   


   How ancient is Szuma Chien who has been quoted by the Ulfa communique? 
Fascism is not very ancient, so far as I know. But the person whose saying has 
been quoted is stated to be ancient and that person refers to fascists that 
quotation.


   


  Since it is an organisation with an ideology, I believe facts should be 
properly stated. Else it would amount to prevarications like that of Hitler - 
Goebbles combine whom the Ulfa hates, as evident from that communique.


   


  I hope that this question will be tolerated, though we have seen that in 
Centralist organisations like the Chinese Communist Party and erstwhile eastern 
bloc countries not a murmur of dissent was tolerated. Being basically a 
military organisation Ulfa to my understanding would be more centralist than 
democratic.  


   


  I request anyone who is in the know of the things.


 

  Uttam Kumar Borthakur
  

  
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Re: [Assam] reply to mc mahanta

[Chan Mahanta]

Welcome to Assamnet, Sri Goswami. The name is new here. Would be much 
obliged  for a little introduction. Myself, I am an old timer, a 
fixture you might say, of this e-mail list. I am a probaxi Oxomiya, 
an architect by profession, originally from  Namti of Xiboxagor 
district.


Yes, indeed; you did think right about this forum's ethos of 
unfettered discussions about Assam, by and for people who are 
interested in Assam. NO, it is not limited to those who only LOVE 
Assam. There are plenty here, who claim that, but really could be 
considered enemies to Assam's interests, if we were to be devoted to 
semantic mud-slinging and indulge in characterizing comments or 
opinions instead of seeking substance thereof.  So we tolerate all 
shades of opinions including the occasional mindless ones. They can 
and do get dissected and even vivisected :-), but without getting 
personal. We avoid getting personal like the plague ( by and large), 
because of a very simple reason: Anyone can indulge in mudslinging 
and character assassination with innuendo, insinuation, hearsay, 
gossip -- you name it. But we are in no position to ascertain the 
truths about such. Furthermore, while opinions expressed do speak 
about a person on the particular issue involved, it does not tell us 
anything about that person in other spheres of his or her life.  So 
it would be very unfair, at its most benign, to cast aspersions on 
another person's integrity based on an opinion expressed or a 
political line espoused, considering that one's life is so much more 
than that.


Obviously we do not consider this an appropriate forum for such 
personal attacks.


The lengthy prologue was an effort at apprising you of how we operate 
here. It would not have been necessary, had it not been for  the 
insinuations and innuendo that you indulged in against the person of 
Mukul Mahanta. I happen to know this person quite well. You may not 
agree with his political viewpoints.  But that you could have 
rebutted or explained why they are bad for Assam.




 >Your silence about extortions and your
overzealous opposition to those who oppose extortions
is another indication that you know more about "ample
remuneration" than you would like to reveal.



*** If we extend the logic of your argument here and suggest that ALL 
who are SILENT about 'extortions' in Assam just might be 
beneficiaries of it themselves, would that be a correct 
interpretation? Would it be reasonable for me , for example, to 
insinuate that since I have not seen Ronen Goswami  write anything 
about looting of public funds by people in government, he might 
himself be beneficiaries of it too--why else won't he?




 >Now about moulding people's minds. Sorry, I cannot
support an "armed struggle for freedom" the spearhead
of which is targetted against unarmed civilians. How
can anybody support those self-styled guardians of
Assam, who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on
illegal migration from accross the border? Maybe they
are "amply remunerated" and we don't know how many are
amply remunerated" on this side of the border.




*** I am certainly moved by your protective instincts towards 
'unarmed civilians'. Very noble. But how about armed ones? And how 
about the military?  Would you support that?  And if so, why?


I am also extremely curious about "---self-styled guardians of Assam, 
who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on illegal migration from 
across the border?" As you must have seen, we have had a number of 
discussions here about this particular argument about ULFA being held 
responsible by people like yourself ( I don't know who you are, but 
from MM's comment, I presume you are in the business of moulding 
public opinion). Can you explain the logic behind this charge?  ULFA 
may be many things despicable, but I am completely stumped by the 
notion that they are also derelict in their duties of border 
protection. Who and when did they acquire that responsibility from, 
the authority or the resources with which to execute this 
responsibility that you hold them with the breach of?


I will tell you up front: It sounds to me like a propaganda ploy 
manufactured by RAW, you know that 'force-multiplication'  tactic? 
What could be more effective than painting ULFA as the agents of the 
B-deshi muslims to Oxomiya establishment's, particularly the caste 
ones', paranoia about the  lungi-menace , never mind that they are 
nowhere to be found seeking  explanations and actions from who are 
truly responsible. But I will await a more respectable explanation, 
if there is one.



 >Next comes your diktat in the garb of a request. - I did not 
know it is your

fiefdom and you own it. If so, I would request ( mind
it, a request only) you to clarify what are its
protocol and which of them I have violated by sending
Rupam Baruah's areticle carried on the editorial page
of a leading daily.




*** It seems like a rather tenuous leap of imagination to interpret 
MM's 

Re: [Assam] Dhemaji flood scene critical, dyke breached --.2004 being repeated in all Assam!

[mc mahant]

 
Dyke, Bund, RingBund , StoneSpur,Rip-Rap, Porcupine(Steel,Concrete,Timber,-now 
even Bamboos being experimented by AUDF),what were these Indian Inventions 
supposed to do to us in  the long term ? 
 
National Embankment Policy, Water RESOURCES ministry ,Brahmaputra Board Act of 
Parliament60 years of Monkeying by INDIA Government Non-Engineers !!
 
Did any one read the Special(Pre) Floods Issue -17June 2005 "OXOM BANEE".
Try getting and reading '50Q &50A- by Yours Truly- therein.
__
 
Cry  before the worldthe world will say " SINK  and Get Lost! YOU DESERVE 
IT". OR  " Ask your Masters to fish you out."
 
Unitedly fight it out and  declare 'We will  solve all our problems help or 
none'--you will be treated like a hero by the World- given all the machinery   
on Credit to dig a straight Deep Wide Channel-Himalaya to Sea with 
Herringbone-form New Lands amounting to 1.5 million Ha in Assam and more in 
BanglaDesh.
 
I told the PM in Black and White :" You will not know where to start.You cannot 
solve one of our problems-and there are thousands.
Talk!-once you start-you will be best of Friends. You Liberate Us->-We liberate 
You.---"
 
 Bong and Tamil won't allow him to-scared(Short -sighted little ones) they will 
lose all free goodies.
 
And they do not know that they will Collapse en- masse by blocking  !!.
 
mm


Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:11:34 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [Assam] Dhemaji flood scene critical, dyke breached (The Assam 
Tribune, 27.07.2007)
Dear Manoj da,
 
As you have told that"If Assam is neglected on national point of view, than 
Dhemaji is on Assam's point of view".It is happening in the case of flood.
We have to campaign the Dhemaji Flood issue all over the world. We have to find 
out the solution of the flood. If we cannot find out the solution of the 
problem soon  then one day the name of the Dhemaji will remove from map.
 
I think people will give their opinion  on  the flood problem of Dhemaji, also 
as a whole Assam.
 
We, all the people of Assam have to think the flood problem of Assam very 
seriously.
 
BuljitManoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Whole of Assam is suffering due to dams and erosion in the upper reaches. Assam 
should know how to assert riparian rights and campaign to make the flood 
problem, a national problem.Prime Minister, representing Assam should have 
visited the area, to be with the people. -manoj
On 27 Jul 2007 06:39:23 -, gayatri gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Dear friends,I believe more scientic planning should be taken by the Government 
to save Dhemaji after thorough research on these rivers. Public level also 
there should not only be close watch on rehabilitation but should extend 
participation wherever possible. gayatriOn Fri, 27 Jul 2007 Buljit Buragohain 
wrote :>  Dhemaji flood scene critical, dyke breached>By A Staff Reporter>  
GUWAHATI, July 2 – Overall flood situation in Dhemaji district turned critical 
today following yet another breach in the embankment of Jiadhol river last 
night and the problem complicated as the Bailey bridge constructed by the Army 
for connecting the district was also overtopped by flood waters last night. 
Official sources in Dhemaji told The Assam Tribune that floodwaters of Jiadhol 
river breached the embankment at Dehari Chapori village last night, which 
aggravated the situation. The district was already cut off following two 
breaches in the embankments of Kumotia river on July 12 and following 
yesterday's breach, the number of people affected by floods in the district has 
gone up to more than 50,000. However, fortunately, the people had been alerted 
about the poor condition of the Jiadhol embankment before the breach occurred 
and there were no casualties. 
>>Sources said that the district has been virtually turned into a cluster of 
>>islands following the breaches of the embankments all communication links 
>>between Dhemaji and the rest of the State have been cut off. The National 
>>Highway 52 has been breached by gushing floodwaters at four places and it 
>>will take some time before the road is repaired. Though the Army constructed 
>>a Bailey bridge on the alternative PWD road from Gogamukh to Dhemaji via 
>>Ghilamora to resume the road link to the district after a wooden bridge 
>>collapsed at Bordoibam, that too has been overtopped last night, thereby 
>>cutting off all kinds of communication to the district. The ferry services 
>>from Dibrugarh have also been suspended today after the rise in the water 
>>level of the Brahmaputra River, thus all kinds of communication to the 
>>district have been totally snapped. >>Official sources said that the district 
>>has not yet faced scarcity of essential foodstuff as the Food Corporation of 
>>India maintained adequate stock, but the possibility of hoarding to create 
>>artificial scarcity cannot be ruled out and the district administratio

[Assam] Fwd: MIT Scientists Solve Mystery of Oil's Beating Heart

[umesh sharma]

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:02:33 -0700 
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From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:  MIT Scientists Solve Mystery of Oil's Beating Heart
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[Assam] Fwd: Movie Review- Assamese: Jatinga Ityadee et al

[umesh sharma]

umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:48:32 -0700 
(PDT)
From: umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Movie Review- Assamese: Jatinga Ityadee et al
To: assam@assamnet.org

 Hi,

I watched the movie by http://www.ruchiraarts.com/index.htm yesterday which I 
had got from Assam 2007 meet at DC as DVD for $20 (Rs 800) .

Quite surprisingky the movie started with a debate in the city hall between two 
lovers about whether to celebrate Valentine's Day or not. The guy won by saying 
that what one feels one should say it everyday and not earmark just one day for 
it.
Later they meet near a huge waterbody. They go to the govt officials to get 
permits to start printing business but the officials advise that they pay the 
required bribes and the officials would repay them in kind by getting them 
business etc.

The idealist guy (son of a poor school master) refuses and goes back to his 
village alongwith the girl. Later he is lured into joining the 
"revolutionaries" under the pretense of getting opportunity to give  interview 
from their point of view to  a Western journalist couple . In reality the 
couple had been kidnapped when  they had come looking for the grave of the 
woman's grandfather who had settled there.

Later the rebel leader is seen communicating with a Christian church priest 
(his partner in supplying arms etc)  in a remote place and that church become 
the final scene - the place where all rebels die including the priest , the 
rebel leader and even the film hero. The girl who had somehow gone alongwith a 
rebel to find the hero is there to see the hero die - a disillusioned guy who 
himself had become a virtual prisoner -- there was no escape once you joined 
the rebels. The girl was able to persuade a rebel to take her along since that 
rebel had snared a underaged teenager and made her pregnant and came to visit 
her  and was persuaded  by that pregnant girl  to  take the heroine in search 
of the hero in the rebels' lair. She kills off a couple of rebels when they try 
to rape her in their camp and runs to the church - the final scene's place.

More  here from the website: 

http://www.ruchiraarts.com/index.htm
JAATINGAA Ityaadi
   (Jaatingaa et al .… )
   
   [Feature film in Assamese ; Color ; 35mm ; 1:1.66 ; 124  
 minutes; Dolby SR ;UA certification on 2nd November, 2006] 
  The Philosophy : 
 Love, the most sublime of human emotions, has its myriad dimensions. Concern 
for one may also transcend into concern for humanity in a crisis ridden 
situation.
   
   The SYNOPSIS : 
 Manab and Reeta, from two neighbouring villages, have just completed 
university education. Attached from the childhood, they are trying to chart out 
a life of their own. But an idealist Manab, being frustrated with the ‘system’ 
goes back to his home in the village while Reeta carries on the effort to set 
up  a business.At about the same time, Jack & Pauline, recently married, come 
to Assam, a North Eastern state of India. Pauline’s grand father, Mr. Clemence, 
had set up a tea garden here, long back. He never went back to England and died 
here. Pauline developed a curiosity to know what had fascinated her grand 
father to stay back in this distant place. She convinced Jack to make their 
honeymoon trip to Assam to discover the charm (or the magic) of this place. But 
on their way to Mr. Clemence’s tea garden, they are kidnapped by an extremist 
outfit.The extremists, finding it difficult to communicate with the English 
speaking couple look for a suitable person. They identify
 Manab who was too eager to be a part of the change, supposedly being brought 
about by the revolutionary outfit. Manab goes over to them at the first 
opportunity. But once in the jungles, he discovers things to the contrary. The 
agony of the hapless couple moves him try to work to free them.In the mean  
time, the extremists kill Dhan, Reeta’s brother. On coming home from the city, 
after Dhan’s murder, Reeta learns that Manab has gone over to the 
Revolutionaries (!). She is concerned because she knows Manab. She agonises at 
the all pervading tentacles of extremism and sets out to locate and bring him 
back. But...
  

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Re: [Assam] Fwd: assam Digest, Vol 24, Issue 52

[ranenkumar goswami]

Mr Mahanta,
I admit you would know more about "ample remuneration"
than I will ever do, since your views are akin to
those who have amassed hundreds of crores of rupees
from extortions in Assam and you don't mind their
doing so. Your silence about extortions and your
overzealous opposition to those who oppose extortions
is another indication that you know more about "ample
remuneration" than you would like to reveal.

Now about moulding people's minds. Sorry, I cannot
support an "armed struggle for freedom" the spearhead
of which is targetted against unarmed civilians. How
can anybody support those self-styled guardians of
Assam, who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on
illegal migration from accross the border? Maybe they
are "amply remunerated" and we don't know how many are
"amply remunerated" on this side of the border. 

Next comes your diktat in the garb of a request. You
have said I should try to mould people's mind in
assamnet apparently the way you would want me to. Here
is what I  would like to say. I thought this was an
open forum for people who love Assam (even without
"ample remuneration"), where they can freely express
and exchange their views. I did not know it is your
fiefdom and you own it. If so, I would request ( mind
it, a request only) you to clarify what are its
protocol and which of them I have violated by sending
Rupam Baruah's areticle carried on the editorial page
of a leading daily. If for being a part of this forum,
I have to support views that you dictate,I will have
second thoughts about it. With thanks, 
Ranen Kumar Goswami,
Santipur Hillside, Guwahati- 781 009 




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Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 24, Issue 56

[ranenkumar goswami]

10-year-old NSCN-IM truce brings peace to Nagaland
(The Assam Tribune, July 24, 2007)
By R Dutta Choudhury
 GUWAHATI, July 23 – Nearly ten years have passed
since the cease-fire agreement between the Government
of India and the NSCN (I-M) came into force and it
will take some more time before a final agreement is
reached with the militant outfit. However, formal
talks with the NSCN (K) are yet to begin though the
outfit has also signed a cease-fire pact with the
Government of India.

Highly placed official sources said that the
cease-fire pact with the NSCN (I-M) came into effect
from August 1, 1997 and the present term of the
agreement would expire on July 31. The Government of
India and the outfit, in a meeting held in New Delhi
on July 20, agreed to extend the term of the
cease-fire pact by one more year and the formal
agreement in this regard is scheduled to be signed in
Kohima on July 31.

Sources said that though signing of a formal agreement
with the NSCN might take some more time, there were
quite a few positives that were visible in the last
ten years and the leaders of the outfit also softened
their stand on several key issues. The biggest
positive aspect of the ongoing peace talks is the
restoration of peace in Nagaland. Sources pointed out
that though there have been instances of attacks and
counter attacks by the militants belonging to the
rival factions of the NSCN, the common people of the
state have not been affected and the State and the
Central Governments could also take advantage of the
peaceful situation to embark on development
activities. The people of the State have also been
able to take active part in development schemes, which
is another positive outcome of the cease-fire
agreement.

Over the years, the NSCN leaders have also softened
their stand as series of meetings helped in melting
the ice. There was a time when the leaders of the NSCN
only talked with the Government on foreign soil, but
now they have started coming to India for talks. The
cease-fire agreement also gave a chance to the top
leaders of the NSCN to visit Nagaland and hold talks
with the common people to know their feelings, while,
on the other hand, it also gave the opportunity to the
Nagaland civil society to voice their opinion before
the NSCN leaders. Sources said that different social
organizations of Nagaland and even the common masses
could now put pressure on the NSCN leadership to
continue extension of the cease-fire agreement and to
look for a peaceful political solution to the
problems.

Giving details of the actual progress of the peace
talks with the NSCN, official sources said that the
Government of India had categorically told the
leadership of the outfit that granting sovereignty
would not be possible. “The Government has told the
NSCN that solution to the problem must come within the
framework of the Constitution of India and the NSCN
has also agreed to give up the demand for sovereignty
and they have agreed to remain as a part of India. The
NSCN now agreed that they would agree to remain as a
part of India under “a special federal relation” and
on its part, the Government is also of the view that
the Constitution is not rigid and it could be amended.
Now discussions on this issue is going on,” sources
said. Sources also pointed out that the Constitution
of India already provided some special provisions for
Nagaland on issues like right over land and resources
and the special customary and traditional laws
remained untouched.

On the reported demand of the NSCN for greater Nagalim
with areas of Assam, Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh,
official sources asserted that the Government of India
would not agree to reorganize the existing boundaries
of the States. The Government has made it very clear
to the leadership of the NSCN that the Centre would
not redefine the existing boundaries of the states
without the approval of the concerned state
Governments. It may be mentioned here that the
Governments of Assam, Arunachal Pradesh and Manipur
have already voiced their strong opposition to the
demand for greater Nagalim by including the land of
these states.

Sources also said that the Centre received allegations
from the Governments of the North Eastern states that
despite signing the cease-fire agreement, the NSCN
members were actively supporting other militant groups
of the region. The Assam Government has alleged that
the NSCN was extending help to militant groups like
the Black Widow. Official sources said that the
Government of India has asked the NSCN to stop
indulging in such activities. “Of course, the NSCN
denied the allegations but the Government made it
clear that such activities should be stopped,” sources
added.

Sources also admitted that signing of any agreement
only with the NSCN(I-M) might not solve the Naga
political problem. But formal talks with the NSCN(K)
are yet to start. Sources said that the NSCN(K) has
not placed formal demands before the Government to
start the ball rolling.
 
  

Re: [Assam] Dhemaji flood scene critical, dyke breached (The Assam Tribune, 27.07.2007)

[Buljit Buragohain]

Dear Manoj da,
   
  As you have told that"If Assam is neglected on national point of view, than 
Dhemaji is on Assam's point of view".It is happening in the case of flood.
  We have to campaign the Dhemaji Flood issue all over the world. We have to 
find out the solution of the flood. If we cannot find out the solution of the 
problem soon  then one day the name of the Dhemaji will remove from map.
   
  I think people will give their opinion  on  the flood problem of Dhemaji, 
also as a whole Assam.
   
  We, all the people of Assam have to think the flood problem of Assam very 
seriously.
   
  Buljit


Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Whole of Assam is suffering due to dams 
and erosion in the upper reaches. Assam should know how to assert riparian 
rights and campaign to make the flood problem, a national problem.

Prime Minister, representing Assam should have visited the area, to be with the 
people. 

-manoj

  On 27 Jul 2007 06:39:23 -, gayatri gogoi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Dear friends,
I believe more scientic planning should be taken by the Government to save 
Dhemaji after thorough research on these rivers. Public level also there should 
not only be close watch on rehabilitation but should extend participation 
wherever possible. 
gayatri

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 Buljit Buragohain wrote :
>  Dhemaji flood scene critical, dyke breached
>By A Staff Reporter
>  GUWAHATI, July 2 – Overall flood situation in Dhemaji district turned 
> critical today following yet another breach in the embankment of Jiadhol 
> river last night and the problem complicated as the Bailey bridge constructed 
> by the Army for connecting the district was also overtopped by flood waters 
> last night. Official sources in Dhemaji told The Assam Tribune that 
> floodwaters of Jiadhol river breached the embankment at Dehari Chapori 
> village last night, which aggravated the situation. The district was already 
> cut off following two breaches in the embankments of Kumotia river on July 12 
> and following yesterday's breach, the number of people affected by floods in 
> the district has gone up to more than 50,000. However, fortunately, the 
> people had been alerted about the poor condition of the Jiadhol embankment 
> before the breach occurred and there were no casualties. 
  
>
>Sources said that the district has been virtually turned into a cluster of 
>islands following the breaches of the embankments all communication links 
>between Dhemaji and the rest of the State have been cut off. The National 
>Highway 52 has been breached by gushing floodwaters at four places and it will 
>take some time before the road is repaired. Though the Army constructed a 
>Bailey bridge on the alternative PWD road from Gogamukh to Dhemaji via 
>Ghilamora to resume the road link to the district after a wooden bridge 
>collapsed at Bordoibam, that too has been overtopped last night, thereby 
>cutting off all kinds of communication to the district. The ferry services 
>from Dibrugarh have also been suspended today after the rise in the water 
>level of the Brahmaputra River, thus all kinds of communication to the 
>district have been totally snapped. 
>
>Official sources said that the district has not yet faced scarcity of 
>essential foodstuff as the Food Corporation of India maintained adequate 
>stock, but the possibility of hoarding to create artificial scarcity cannot be 
>ruled out and the district administration is maintaining a close watch on the 
>situation. The district will, however, face shortage of petroleum products 
>soon as it is impossible to move in oil tankers to Dhemaji under the present 
>circumstances and even if the water level recedes, the wooden bridges on the 
>PWD road from Gogamukh to Dhemaji would not be able to take the load of the 
>tankers. 
>
>Alarming rise of the water level of the Brahmaputra is also causing serious 
>concern. Though the embankments of the river are holding on till now and the 
>E&D Department assured that those were in good shape, the District 
>Administration is keeping its fingers crossed and a close watch is being 
>maintained. 
>
>Sources said that the affected people are taking shelter in the temporary 
>shelters and tarpaulin sheets have been provided. The district, known to be 
>one of the most flood- prone in the State, does not have any speedboat and the 
>administration has pressed 45 country boats into service for transporting 
>relief materials and to transport medical teams to the affected places. Two 
>Air Force helicopters were pressed into service when the first breach of 
>embankment took place on July 12 to rescue marooned people, but that proved to 
>be futile as there was no dry ground in the affected areas for the choppers to 
>land. Now the rescue operations are carried out by country boats alone. 
>However, the disaster management teams comprising local youths, who were 
>trained up under a special programme of the UNDP, are turning out to be very 
>

[Assam] reply to mc mahanta

[ranenkumar goswami]

Mr Mahanta,
I admit you would know more about "ample remuneration"
than I will ever do, since your views are akin to
those who have amassed hundreds of crores of rupees
from extortions in Assam and you don't mind their
doing so. Your silence about extortions and your
overzealous opposition to those who oppose extortions
is another indication that you know more about "ample
remuneration" than you would like to reveal.

Now about moulding people's minds. Sorry, I cannot
support an "armed struggle for freedom" the spearhead
of which is targetted against unarmed civilians. How
can anybody support those self-styled guardians of
Assam, who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on
illegal migration from accross the border? Maybe they
are "amply remunerated" and we don't know how many are
"amply remunerated" on this side of the border. 

Next comes your diktat in the garb of a request. You
have said I should try to mould people's mind in
assamnet apparently the way you would want me to. Here
is what I  would like to say. I thought this was an
open forum for people who love Assam (even without
"ample remuneration"), where they can freely express
and exchange their views. I did not know it is your
fiefdom and you own it. If so, I would request ( mind
it, a request only) you to clarify what are its
protocol and which of them I have violated by sending
Rupam Baruah's areticle carried on the editorial page
of a leading daily. If for being a part of this forum,
I have to support views that you dictate,I will have
second thoughts about it. With thanks, 
Ranen Kumar Goswami,
Santipur Hillside, Guwahati- 781 009 




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[Assam] reply to mc mahanta

[ranenkumar goswami]

Mr Mahanta,
I admit you would know more about "ample remuneration"
than I will ever do, since your views are akin to
those who have amassed hundreds of crores of rupees
from extortions in Assam and you don't mind their
doing so. Your silence about extortions and your
overzealous opposition to those who oppose extortions
is another indication that you know more about "ample
remuneration" than you would like to reveal.

Now about moulding people's minds. Sorry, I cannot
support an "armed struggle for freedom" the spearhead
of which is targetted against unarmed civilians. How
can anybody support those self-styled guardians of
Assam, who are maintaining a self-imposed silence on
illegal migration from accross the border? Maybe they
are "amply remunerated" and we don't know how many are
"amply remunerated" on this side of the border. 

Next comes your diktat in the garb of a request. You
have said I should try to mould people's mind in
assamnet apparently the way you would want me to. Here
is what I  would like to say. I thought this was an
open forum for people who love Assam (even without
"ample remuneration"), where they can freely express
and exchange their views. I did not know it is your
fiefdom and you own it. If so, I would request ( mind
it, a request only) you to clarify what are its
protocol and which of them I have violated by sending
Rupam Baruah's areticle carried on the editorial page
of a leading daily. If for being a part of this forum,
I have to support views that you dictate,I will have
second thoughts about it. With thanks, 
Ranen Kumar Goswami,
Santipur Hillside, Guwahati- 781 009 




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Re: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

[uttam borthakur]

>>Szuma Chien, the famous Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was the 
>>author of the Historical Records. –
   
  Thank you. 
  This implies that when Szuma Chien uttered those words attributed to him by 
Ulfa, fascism was 2000 years away! I suppose, I read that quote some where, but 
the words were a bit different. Where did the Ulfa find these new words?

"W.Saleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Szuma Chien, the famous 
Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was the author of the Historical 
Records. –
  Reference of him you can also find in the Selected Works of Mao – published 
in 1944.
  
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_19.htm
 
   
  See also the following links
   
  http://www.answers.com/topic/ssu-ma-ch-ien
  http://www.amazon.com/Selections-Records-Historian-Szuma-Chien/dp/0898759404
  http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/lofiversion/index.php/t523.html
   
   
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Onderwerp: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

   
Dear Friends

 

I have a question.

 

 How ancient is Szuma Chien who has been quoted by the Ulfa communique? 
Fascism is not very ancient, so far as I know. But the person whose saying has 
been quoted is stated to be ancient and that person refers to fascists that 
quotation.

 

Since it is an organisation with an ideology, I believe facts should be 
properly stated. Else it would amount to prevarications like that of Hitler - 
Goebbles combine whom the Ulfa hates, as evident from that communique.

 

I hope that this question will be tolerated, though we have seen that in 
Centralist organisations like the Chinese Communist Party and erstwhile eastern 
bloc countries not a murmur of dissent was tolerated. Being basically a 
military organisation Ulfa to my understanding would be more centralist than 
democratic.  

 

I request anyone who is in the know of the things.

   
  Uttam Kumar Borthakur


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[Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

[uttam borthakur]

Dear Friends
   
  I have a question.
   
   How ancient is Szuma Chien who has been quoted by the Ulfa communique? 
Fascism is not very ancient, so far as I know. But the person whose saying has 
been quoted is stated to be ancient and that person refers to fascists that 
quotation.
   
  Since it is an organisation with an ideology, I believe facts should be 
properly stated. Else it would amount to prevarications like that of Hitler - 
Goebbles combine whom the Ulfa hates, as evident from that communique.
   
  I hope that this question will be tolerated, though we have seen that in 
Centralist organisations like the Chinese Communist Party and erstwhile eastern 
bloc countries not a murmur of dissent was tolerated. Being basically a 
military organisation Ulfa to my understanding would be more centralist than 
democratic.  
   
  I request anyone who is in the know of the things.


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Re: [Assam] For Rs 3, 000, girls are selling themselves in city bars

[bg]

for your reference: http://www.durbar.org

:)




On 7/27/07, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Umesh
>
> I wasn't looking for any personal experiences (or lack thereof) from you.
> That was not why I was taken aback.
>
> Most people know that this profession is one the oldest in the world. And
> they are also aware illegal or not, it thrives everywhere - just like other
> ills of society. The fact that you were not aware of that was what surprised
> me. Its almost like saying - "Oh, I thought stealing was illegal.."
>
> --Ram da
>
> On 7/26/07, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ram-da,
> >
> > I amy be naive - I haven't utilized the services of prostitutes so far
> > (unlike my father's eldest brother for whom it was a second home - in India
> > and Nepal) so may not know whether it is illegal or not -- but I have heard
> > that it is illegal in USA -- is it so? if so then why or why not -- where is
> > the liberality.
> >
> > For your info I got a prostitute kicked out from her  new lodging by the
> > police  just opposite  Jaipur School when she tried to lure high school
> > students by sitting on the road outside her new home right opposite Jaipur
> > School and calling them over .
> > Was that right - who was right?
> >
> > Umesh
> >
> > *Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> >
> > >and I thought that prostitution was illegal only in USA.
> >
> > Umesh! are you serious or are just naive? I am not even sure how to
> > approach this comment. I will just leave it at that.
> >
> > --Ram da
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/26/07, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > > and I thought that prostitution was illegal only in USA.
> > >
> > > Umesh
> > >
> > > *Priyankoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, welcome to free economy...why did it take so many years to reach
> > > Ghy? Everything runs on the principle that as long as there is a demand,
> > > there will be supply.
> > >
> > > QUOTE: "We have the mobile number but we are not disclosing it"
> > >
> > > my oh my...Thank you!
> > >
> > > Nothing but an attempt to stir up some sensation by THE Sentinel. It
> > > does not yet discuss why these girls "sell" themselves or why are people 
> > > in
> > > Ghy so desperate to spend 2Rs. as tip to spend some time with these
> > > girls...
> > >
> > > Thank you The Sentinel, I now know you stooped too low for me to catch
> > > up with you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Pradip Kumar Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
> > >
> > >   ** *For Rs 3,000, girls are selling themselves in city bars
> > > Sex and our city — Part I
> > > *By our Staff Reporter
> > > GUWAHATI, July 26: Believe it or not, the capital city is fast
> > > becoming a crime city. With the city police stressing specifically on law
> > > and order and insurgency, petty crimes in Guwahati are on the rise. And 
> > > now
> > > the bars are adding to it all. It is alleged that illegal activities are
> > > going on in these bars and on weekends, during parties, the bars almost
> > > become centres of flesh trade. In recent cases, one person was killed by 
> > > his
> > > friend at Ganeshguri and one girl was badly roughed up by his boyfriend at
> > > Christian Basti.
> > > Out of 197 bars in Guwahati, the bars with permission to open till
> > > late night are 16. These late-night bars should be closed by 11.30 pm.
> > > But it is seen that most of the bars remain open till 1.30 or 2 am,
> > > thus defying the order. It is alleged that in these bars, police and 
> > > excise
> > > departments take undue advantage. And to find out the truth, The Sentinel
> > > carried out a week-long investigation as to what might be going on inside
> > > the some of the lounge-bars.
> > > From 4.30 pm to 6 pm, many girls and aspiring models enter some of
> > > these bars. For this they do not have to pay any money. They are called
> > > entertainment girls. When The Sentinel team entered one of these bars and
> > > sat at one of the corners under dim light, the waiter took its order and
> > > left. Just near the counter, three girls were cracking jokes among
> > > themselves and trying to draw our attention. When the waiter came, one of
> > > the girls talked to him and passed a phone number for us. The name of the
> > > girl was Puja. (We have the mobile number but we are not disclosing it.)
> > > Later, she approached us, sat down near us, and asked: "Do you like to 
> > > make
> > > friendship?"
> > > Every customer has one girl with him in these bars and girls are
> > > called entertainment girls. For sitting with someone for hours, they do 
> > > not
> > > charge money but the person has to bear the expenses of their food and
> > > alcohol. Yes, you can give her tips also, if you want to have 'close'
> > > relations with her! This is called 'sitting'. One of the girls, Neha, told
> > > us she earns around Rs 20,000 per month from tips. The bars provide these
> > > entertainment girls to the cu