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Re: [Assam] Parliament approves new name for Orissa
>Could be! but isn't it the same thing that some of us want Assam to be written >as Oxom, or Asom (some like and some hate). Not s fast , A ! Did you really think I did not attempt to even think this thru :-)? Different issues here. This is how: ASOM is neither Assam, an ancient name of our region, nor is it Oxom, as the predominantly known sound of the geographical area thus named. ASOM is a misguided ( to put it mildly) and ignorant ( to say it like it is) way to transliterate the Oxom name in Roman script. ASOM does NOT sound anything like Oxom. And the ONLY reason for attemting to re-name Assam to ASOM, is based on the IGNORANT argument that Assam was a colonial term, coined by the British. See the difference? I don't know HOW the Oriyas pronounce the name of their state: as Orissa, or Orisha or Odisha or some other form. But if I am unaware of the peculiarity of this 'd' letter representing an 'rd' sound, then I would pronounce Odisha's 'd' as in Godiva, completely turning the intent behind the change on its head. c-da On Mar 26, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: > > > Could be! but isn't it the same thing that some of us want Assam to be > written as Oxom, or Asom (some like and some hate). It may not make sense to > others but it does to us. > > There are some other Indian words that are spelt with a 'd' but pronounced as > 'r'. These words only come to my mind right now...Kadai-chicken and > Kodai-kanal. > > Now I am not sure if I am doing a 'khugi gaali-khuwa' work from you this > morning :), C'da, but had to say this as you seem to understand the need for > Oxom(?), but did not Odisha. > > It would be difficult to keep up with all these name changes, Odisha, > Chennai, Mumbai, Pune, and hopefully 'Oxom', someday, no? > > > > > > > >> From: cmaha...@gmail.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:07:17 -0500 >> To: assam@assamnet.org >> Subject: Re: [Assam] Parliament approves new name for Orissa >> >> It is a matter for the Odiyas. But somehow I fail to understand how the >> 'r' replaced with 'd' will feel them any more Odiya than Oriya, considering >> the fact that few English speakers would know the difference or care. >> >> It is, at best, a demonstration of ethnic insecurity. >> >> cm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Bidyananda Barkakoty wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Parliament >>> approves new name for Orissa >>> >>> PTI – Thu, Mar 24, 2011 >>> 2:36 PM IST >>> >>> New Delhi, March 24 (PTI) Orissa will hereafter >>> be called ''Odisha'' and the Oriya language will be known as ''Odia'' with >>> Parliament giving approval to amendment of the Constitution and also passing >>> the related bill. >>> >>> The Rajya Sabha passed the Orissa >>> (the Alteration of Name) Bill and adopted the Constitution (113th) Amendment >>> Bill after a brief debate with members from all parties hailing the move as >>> "historic" for people of the state. >>> >>> Supported by all parties, including >>> the Biju Janta Dal, the Constitution Amendment Bill was adopted by all 169 >>> members present and voting. >>> >>> Such a bill requires support of at >>> least two-third of members present and voting. Besides, the majority of the >>> strength of the House should be present for voting. The Upper House has a >>> strength of 245 members. >>> >>> Lok Sabha has already adopted these >>> measures after the Centre received the resolution passed by the state >>> Assembly. >>> >>> While there was all round support >>> for the measure, BJP and Congress members sought to target Chief Minister >>> Naveen Patnaik charging him with non-performance and heading a government >>> facing scams. >>> >>> The bills were piloted by Home Minister P Chidambaram. >>> However, the electronic voting system witnessed glitches during the >>> division so >>> much so that even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh''s vote was also cast >>> wrongly. >>> >>> Participating in the debate, >>> members said the name change was the process of decolonisation as Britishers >>> had changed the Indian names of cities and states. >>> >>> Pyarimohan Mohapatra (BJD) said it >>> was a "great moment" for people of the state and added that with the >>> change of name, they are getting back their pride. >>> >>> R C Khuntia (Cong) rued that the >>> state, which was prosperous once, has become poverty-stricken. He, however, >>> hoped the change of name will fulfil aspirations of people. >>> >>> He said the state was facing many >>> scams and corruption charges in the present rule. >>> >>> Rudra Narayan Pany (BJP) charged >>> the Orissa >>> Chief Minister with non-performance and said Patnaik could not speak even >>> the >>> local language. His colleague Chandan Mitra said, "Orissa regains its >>> prestige and sense of history." >>> >>> Mitra said while India''s heritage >>> was revered in many parts of the world, "we have forgotten our own >>> heritage." >>> >>> Ther
Re: [Assam] Parliament approves new name for Orissa
Could be! but isn't it the same thing that some of us want Assam to be written as Oxom, or Asom (some like and some hate). It may not make sense to others but it does to us. There are some other Indian words that are spelt with a 'd' but pronounced as 'r'. These words only come to my mind right now...Kadai-chicken and Kodai-kanal. Now I am not sure if I am doing a 'khugi gaali-khuwa' work from you this morning :), C'da, but had to say this as you seem to understand the need for Oxom(?), but did not Odisha. It would be difficult to keep up with all these name changes, Odisha, Chennai, Mumbai, Pune, and hopefully 'Oxom', someday, no? > From: cmaha...@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 09:07:17 -0500 > To: assam@assamnet.org > Subject: Re: [Assam] Parliament approves new name for Orissa > > It is a matter for the Odiyas. But somehow I fail to understand how the > 'r' replaced with 'd' will feel them any more Odiya than Oriya, considering > the fact that few English speakers would know the difference or care. > > It is, at best, a demonstration of ethnic insecurity. > > cm > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Bidyananda Barkakoty wrote: > > > > > > > Parliament > > approves new name for Orissa > > > > PTI – Thu, Mar 24, 2011 > > 2:36 PM IST > > > > New Delhi, March 24 (PTI) Orissa will hereafter > > be called ''Odisha'' and the Oriya language will be known as ''Odia'' with > > Parliament giving approval to amendment of the Constitution and also passing > > the related bill. > > > > The Rajya Sabha passed the Orissa > > (the Alteration of Name) Bill and adopted the Constitution (113th) Amendment > > Bill after a brief debate with members from all parties hailing the move as > > "historic" for people of the state. > > > > Supported by all parties, including > > the Biju Janta Dal, the Constitution Amendment Bill was adopted by all 169 > > members present and voting. > > > > Such a bill requires support of at > > least two-third of members present and voting. Besides, the majority of the > > strength of the House should be present for voting. The Upper House has a > > strength of 245 members. > > > > Lok Sabha has already adopted these > > measures after the Centre received the resolution passed by the state > > Assembly. > > > > While there was all round support > > for the measure, BJP and Congress members sought to target Chief Minister > > Naveen Patnaik charging him with non-performance and heading a government > > facing scams. > > > > The bills were piloted by Home Minister P Chidambaram. > > However, the electronic voting system witnessed glitches during the > > division so > > much so that even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh''s vote was also cast > > wrongly. > > > > Participating in the debate, > > members said the name change was the process of decolonisation as Britishers > > had changed the Indian names of cities and states. > > > > Pyarimohan Mohapatra (BJD) said it > > was a "great moment" for people of the state and added that with the > > change of name, they are getting back their pride. > > > > R C Khuntia (Cong) rued that the > > state, which was prosperous once, has become poverty-stricken. He, however, > > hoped the change of name will fulfil aspirations of people. > > > > He said the state was facing many > > scams and corruption charges in the present rule. > > > > Rudra Narayan Pany (BJP) charged > > the Orissa > > Chief Minister with non-performance and said Patnaik could not speak even > > the > > local language. His colleague Chandan Mitra said, "Orissa regains its > > prestige and sense of history." > > > > Mitra said while India''s heritage > > was revered in many parts of the world, "we have forgotten our own > > heritage." > > > > There have been many cities and > > states that have been renamed after independence. These include > > Thiruvananthapuram > > (Trivandrum), Mumbai > > (Bombay), Chennai > > (Madras), Kolkata > > (Calcutta), Pune (Poona), Kochi > > (Cochin) and Bangaluru (Banglore). > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > assam mailing list > > assam@assamnet.org > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Off With MODI's head
Thanks for attempting to deal with the questions Ram. But, not s fast :-)! There HAS to be more to it. But what? Let us dig deeper, if you will: > 1) Assam has something like 14 MPs. That in itself wouldn't be a problem > (as Punjab has 13). Our MPs, regardless of party, are not very vocal. Recent > history may be different. There are other states with fewer MPs. So, WHO are these not-so-vocal MPs? How did they get to be what they are? Are the duds in place because the people of Assam prefer to elect/select DUDs over the intelligent, the able, the effective, the vocal? Is it BECAUSE Assam's people either do not care or are unable to judge who is best able to represent them? Or is it because the CHOICES they are given are the result of a DEFECTIVE, broken system? Like being given a slate of dumb and dumber, or a crook and a felon? > 2) Investors are not breaking down doors to get into Assam. Given the bad > publicity for the last 2 or 3 decades, no Tata Nano will be risking their > money. Now, this is the reality, and it does not matter what the real cause > is :-) WHY do you have to go for OUTSIDE investors? What about all the public funds that have been getting stolen and squandered over the decades? Should a fraction of it have been effectively used, would that NOT have made a difference? BTW, WHO is/was responsible for giving all the bad publicity to Assam? Was it reasonable, was it deserved ? Or was it hyped beyond all reason in the pursuit of partisan political gains? >From Manoj's post, it seems even Modi bhai wants some sort of 'tourism > police' to protect Gujarati visitors That should tell us a lot about Modi's own VISION! Does Assam mistreat, swindle, victimize Gujarati tourists? Or the problem is elsewhere? > In spite of these glaring negatives, I think Assam needs to concentrate on a > few main areas, so that it can move forward with development. > > Power, roadways, flood control. Without going into the merit of the list, one will have to conclude that the PROBLEM is an absence of FOCUS! But s that what it is, REALLY? > All of Assam's leaders, past and present, and future know exactly what the > right thing to do is, and posses all the worldly wisdom. > But they also know, that voters will always vote them back to power, even if > hey don't do anything. Back to the beginning! SO, is it because the people of Assam are STUPID? Or is the problem something else? > Quite often, this dysfunctional trait is by choice. Those in charge know > exactly how the cards are played, and how to get back to power time and > again. IF that is the truth, the reason, then the oNLY explanation would be that the people of Assam are indeed STUPID. And the issue therefore could be put to rest by delivering that ancient piece of wisdom " They deserve it". Or could it be? Should it be? And if that is our conclusion, WHAT would that make US look like? >While, Modi may also 'knowledgeable' in such qualities, the Gujaratis, he > has to get the votes from, will NOT vote him back, unless he performs -- > that is the difference. That would lead us to conclude, that since everything else is equal, ( albeit unstated in so many words) people of Gujarat are SMARTER than the people of Assam. THAT explains the difference. If so, Dilip's wishes or yours or mine are doomed. The smart Gujaratis will prosper and the dumb Assam folks are destined to languish. Its their own damn fault. Do you Ram, subscribe to such garbage :-)? Really? c-da On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > Excellent Manoj. The idea of teaming up with Gujarat seems quite promising. > > There are a few factors that hold back Assam (IMHO). > > 1) Assam has something like 14 MPs. That in itself wouldn't be a problem > (as Punjab has 13). Our MPs, regardless of party, are not very vocal. Recent > history may be different. There are other states with fewer MPs. > > 2) Investors are not breaking down doors to get into Assam. Given the bad > publicity for the last 2 or 3 decades, no Tata Nano will be risking their > money. Now, this is the reality, and it does not matter what the real cause > is :-) > > From Manoj's post, it seems even Modi bhai wants some sort of 'tourism > police' to protect Gujarati visitors. In Assam 'business' almost always > means trading. It is only recently that one sees some private investment in > the education sector. > > Once, great, vibrant industries like tea & plywood, seem to be languishing. > > 3) Corruption is rampant in the state. Yes, yes, there is corruption in some > other states like Karnataka, but I suspect, many of those other states > corrupt on one hand and build with the other. > > In spite of these glaring negatives, I think Assam needs to concentrate on a > few main areas, so that it can move forward with development. > > Power, roadways, flood control. > > and for C'da's questions: > >> ***
Re: [Assam] Gandhi--Noble Soul
>Almost all of it is just plain lip service. And THAT, unfortunately is what defines Indians! On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:58 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote: > Thank you for forwarding this excellent piece, Mukul da. > > > "The tragic element is that he was ultimately forced, like Lear, to see the > limits of his ambition to remake his world.” > > To add, and paint with a rather broad brush, few Indians pay serious thought > to any Gandhian ideal. Almost all of it is just plain lip service. > > --Ram > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:39 PM, mc mahant wrote: > >> >> >> >> Netters :worth reading through and over >> >> >> < >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/27/books/review/book-review-great-soul-mahatma-gandhi-and-his-struggle-with-india-by-joseph-lelyveld.html?_r=1&nl=books&emc=booksupdateema2&pagewanted=print >>> >> ___ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Parliament approves new name for Orissa
It is a matter for the Odiyas. But somehow I fail to understand how the 'r' replaced with 'd' will feel them any more Odiya than Oriya, considering the fact that few English speakers would know the difference or care. It is, at best, a demonstration of ethnic insecurity. cm On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:02 AM, Bidyananda Barkakoty wrote: > > > Parliament > approves new name for Orissa > > PTI – Thu, Mar 24, 2011 > 2:36 PM IST > > New Delhi, March 24 (PTI) Orissa will hereafter > be called ''Odisha'' and the Oriya language will be known as ''Odia'' with > Parliament giving approval to amendment of the Constitution and also passing > the related bill. > > The Rajya Sabha passed the Orissa > (the Alteration of Name) Bill and adopted the Constitution (113th) Amendment > Bill after a brief debate with members from all parties hailing the move as > "historic" for people of the state. > > Supported by all parties, including > the Biju Janta Dal, the Constitution Amendment Bill was adopted by all 169 > members present and voting. > > Such a bill requires support of at > least two-third of members present and voting. Besides, the majority of the > strength of the House should be present for voting. The Upper House has a > strength of 245 members. > > Lok Sabha has already adopted these > measures after the Centre received the resolution passed by the state > Assembly. > > While there was all round support > for the measure, BJP and Congress members sought to target Chief Minister > Naveen Patnaik charging him with non-performance and heading a government > facing scams. > > The bills were piloted by Home Minister P Chidambaram. > However, the electronic voting system witnessed glitches during the division > so > much so that even Prime Minister Manmohan Singh''s vote was also cast wrongly. > > Participating in the debate, > members said the name change was the process of decolonisation as Britishers > had changed the Indian names of cities and states. > > Pyarimohan Mohapatra (BJD) said it > was a "great moment" for people of the state and added that with the > change of name, they are getting back their pride. > > R C Khuntia (Cong) rued that the > state, which was prosperous once, has become poverty-stricken. He, however, > hoped the change of name will fulfil aspirations of people. > > He said the state was facing many > scams and corruption charges in the present rule. > > Rudra Narayan Pany (BJP) charged > the Orissa > Chief Minister with non-performance and said Patnaik could not speak even the > local language. His colleague Chandan Mitra said, "Orissa regains its > prestige and sense of history." > > Mitra said while India''s heritage > was revered in many parts of the world, "we have forgotten our own > heritage." > > There have been many cities and > states that have been renamed after independence. These include > Thiruvananthapuram > (Trivandrum), Mumbai > (Bombay), Chennai > (Madras), Kolkata > (Calcutta), Pune (Poona), Kochi > (Cochin) and Bangaluru (Banglore). > > > > > > ___ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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