[Assam] Child Labor

2007-10-31 Thread Ram Sarangapani
Uttam,

There is always another view of everything.
Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a view to justify it.

I agree with the first part that there is and ought to be another view.

On the second part, the key word here is justify. When someone has to
justify, it doesn't mean that the action was just. It simply means that
many people would be convinced with some great justifications and guile. The
question is, was it really just. I don't know who, except the killers (in
the example you cite), would know the real answer.

As far as child labor is concerned, there are and can be numerous
justifications put forward to show that we really do have reasons why this
practice of child labor should continue.

As concerned citizens,  it is incumbent upon them to make the general public
awareness about this sordid practice.

So far, most of the justifications that I have come across (for the
continued practice of child labor ) are short-term solutions to long-term,
perenial problems.

Its a darn shame that a poor family is forced put its children to work in
order to survive. It is understandable, but still a shame. This is where the
government, the NGOs, the Ambanis of the world, and good people need to step
in. Safety nets have to be initiated, and really, no child in present-day
India ought to ever have to work in order to survive.

--Ram da








On 10/31/07, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is always another view of everything. Like terrorists killing
 hapless people may have a view to justify it. The view has to be tested
 whether it is conducive to humanity or not. Only that view that is
 favourable to the community as  a whole has to be adopted for happiness in
 real terms.

 *Rajen  Ajanta Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 MKD wrote
 Now in a country like India, if they (child) are not put to work, they
 will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,

 One may ask back the question, what is meant by 'a country like India', a
 country with the richest man in the world?
  Whichever way we see it, if a country even cannot afford without child
 labour, and try to justify 'child labour' then there something wrong with
 that country, in spite of (or may be because of) having the richest man in
 the world.

 Our duty is to analyse, what is wrong with us.  Ram has rightly said and
 which I support, A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its
 moral and legal obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally
 and legally bankrupt.

 Rajen Barua


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the 
 worldassam@assamnet.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:03 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Assam] [NorthEastIndia] Mukesh Ambani - richest person in
 theworld


 Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a
 person takes in this respect would depend upon his values. That is a very
 individual decision. But the question is: what is the generally accepted
 view ? It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would
 settle these types of isues.

 Uttam/Manoj

 IMHO, the issue of child labor has to be both a National issue as well as
 a moral issue. Moreover, the strength of a democracy lies in a country's
 ability to protect the weakest members (read citizens) of its society. And
 children are really the most vulnerable. I have often heard arguments (that
 Manoj has put forth) regarding child labor  --- ie. that it has to be looked
 at another way.

 There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for
 working in such factories. In an over populated country like India,
 where every household has many mouths to feed from one income,

 The sad reality is that child labor, which ever way one looks at it, it is
 still bad. The poor people who have only one income obviously have to find a
 different avenue (other than on their childrens' backs) to survive. Yes, the
 these are hard choices (and I do understand Manoj :)), but in the end the
 country as whole has to decide how exactly it wants to get out of this
 viscious circle.

 A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral and legal
 obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally
 bankrupt.
 The least that India can do is to make sure to strictly enforce its child
 labor laws, educate its adult population that child labor is simply put, bad
 and unjust, and has to be eradicated.

 -- Ram da

 BTW: The day before yesterday, CNN had a special report on how some top
 clothes designers (US) were using poor children in India to work long hours
 etc.



 children has to work. For example in Kashmir children are actually
 apprentices who become master crafts person once they become old
 hands. Now in a country like India, if they are not put to work, they
 will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,



 On 10/30/07, uttam 

Re: [Assam] Child Labor

2007-10-31 Thread uttam borthakur
Equation of Child Labour:
   
  Supply side: Poverty 
  Demand side: Greed for cheap labour
   
  The disease is systemic: -)
   
  

Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uttam,
   
  There is always another view of everything. 
  Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a view to justify it.
   
  I agree with the first part that there is and ought to be another view.
   
  On the second part, the key word here is justify. When someone has to 
justify, it doesn't mean that the action was just. It simply means that 
many people would be convinced with some great justifications and guile. The 
question is, was it really just. I don't know who, except the killers (in the 
example you cite), would know the real answer. 
   
  As far as child labor is concerned, there are and can be numerous 
justifications put forward to show that we really do have reasons why this 
practice of child labor should continue.
   
  As concerned citizens,  it is incumbent upon them to make the general public 
awareness about this sordid practice. 
   
  So far, most of the justifications that I have come across (for the continued 
practice of child labor ) are short-term solutions to long-term, perenial 
problems. 
   
  Its a darn shame that a poor family is forced put its children to work in 
order to survive. It is understandable, but still a shame. This is where the 
government, the NGOs, the Ambanis of the world, and good people need to step 
in. Safety nets have to be initiated, and really, no child in present-day India 
ought to ever have to work in order to survive. 
   
  --Ram da
   
   
   
   
   
  

 
  On 10/31/07, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   There is always 
another view of everything. Like terrorists killing hapless people may have a 
view to justify it. The view has to be tested whether it is conducive to 
humanity or not. Only that view that is favourable to the community as  a whole 
has to be adopted for happiness in real terms.   

Rajen  Ajanta Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: MKD wrote
  Now in a country like India, if they (child) are not put to work, they
will either turn into urchins, vagabonds, beggars or drug addicts,
 
  One may ask back the question, what is meant by 'a country like India', a 
country with the richest man in the world?
   Whichever way we see it, if a country even cannot afford without child 
labour, and try to justify 'child labour' then there something wrong with that 
country, in spite of (or may be because of) having the richest man in the 
world. 
   
  Our duty is to analyse, what is wrong with us.  Ram has rightly said and 
which I support,   A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral 
and legal obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally 
bankrupt.
   
Rajen Barua
 
- Original Message - 
  From: Ram Sarangapani 
  To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] [NorthEastIndia] Mukesh Ambani - richest person in 
theworld
  
 
  Whether child labour is good or bad is an ethical issue. The position a 
person takes in this respect would depend upon his values. That is a very 
individual decision. But the question is: what is the generally accepted view 
? It may be correct or it may be wrong. Only efflux of time would settle these 
types of isues. 
   
  Uttam/Manoj
   
  IMHO, the issue of child labor has to be both a National issue as well as a 
moral issue. Moreover, the strength of a democracy lies in a country's ability 
to protect the weakest members (read citizens) of its society. And children are 
really the most vulnerable. I have often heard arguments (that Manoj has put 
forth) regarding child labor  --- ie. that it has to be looked at another way. 
   
  There was some report that the rescued children had no regret for
working in such factories. In an over populated country like India,
where every household has many mouths to feed from one income, 
   
  The sad reality is that child labor, which ever way one looks at it, it is 
still bad. The poor people who have only one income obviously have to find a 
different avenue (other than on their childrens' backs) to survive. Yes, the 
these are hard choices (and I do understand Manoj :)), but in the end the 
country as whole has to decide how exactly it wants to get out of this viscious 
circle. 
   
  A nation that refuses to acknowledge and redress its moral and legal 
obligations toward it OWN children has to be both morally and legally bankrupt. 
  The least that India can do is to make sure to strictly enforce its child 
labor laws, educate its adult population that child labor is simply put, bad 
and unjust, and has to be eradicated.
   
  -- Ram da
   
  BTW: The day before yesterday, CNN had a special report on how some top 
clothes designers (US) were using poor children in India to work long hours etc.
   
   
  
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